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Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:18 pm

In an extraordinary interview recorded yesterday, a child abuse survivor who served on the Government’s independent inquiry into historic child sexual abuse has claimed she was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure that Ms May became Prime Minister.

And that’s just the tip of the iceberg of Ms Evans’ startling claims about her time serving on the inquiry.

Speaking to talkRADIO, Sharon Evans, a former journalist and the founder of Dot Com Children’s Foundation, said that the panel were “promised the child abuse inquiry would be open”, but after a short while she saw that it was ‘so obvious that everything was about the control and suppression of information” and that the supposedly independent inquiry had absolutely “no independence’.

Ms Evans claimed that the contracts panel members were made to sign by the Home Office were used to stop them from speaking openly about “very serious allegations about very public figures” – allegations which she says were taken back to the inquiry leaders, but ‘nothing was being done about” them.

The former panel member, who quit after questioning the true ‘independence’ of the inquiry, told talkRADIO:



It became very clear to myself and Graham when we went round to listening meetings, and were being given very serious allegations about very public figures, which we took back to the inquiry and nothing was being done about. Months in, they couldn’t actually tell us how the information was going to be used.



I was chairing the panel on one day, and I suggested that we wrote to Theresa May, who was the Home Secretary, to express our concerns. At the end of the day I was taken to one side and it was made clear to me – this is what I was told – that Theresa May was going to be Prime Minister, that this inquiry was going to be part of this, and that if I didn’t toe the line and do as I was told, if I tried to get information out I would be discredited by her advisors.



Ms Evans also says that she was gagged by the Home Office during a Parliamentary Committee meeting, describing how she was given a 23 page document detailing exactly “what she may and may not say”.

Evans says that she believes it was the Home Office – then under the leadership of Theresa May – trying to suppress and control precisely what information was released to MPs during Committee meetings:

I have got a document, it’s 23 pages. When I appeared in front of the Home Affairs Select Committee – which should be where you openly and honestly answer the questions and challenges of MPs, and where it’s actually an offense not to tell the truth – they (the Home Office) provided me with a 23 page document telling me exactly what I may and may not say.

Ms Evans says that she was so alarmed by the nature of the Home Office gagging document that she went to the clerk of the Parliamentary Committee to tell him that she feared she may not be able to tell the truth because of it.

Sharon Evans also had an extremely depressing message for the victims of the Grenfell tragedy about what she has learned about Establishment collusion during supposedly ‘independent’ inquiries such as this:

When asked by interviewer John Nicholson about her advice to the Grenfell Inquiry panel members, Evans said:

I think from what I’ve been hearing that people are already being encouraged to come and give information informally – and this is where we started on the child abuse inquiry – but the thing is it seems like it’s exactly the same. I want to stop them going down the same road where their information is controlled and suppressed, because when there is an inquiry they can control information and decide what is released.

You can listen to Ms Evans’ extraordinary interview with talkRADIO below:



https://evolvepolitics.com/listen-historic-child-abuse-panel-member-i-silenced-theresa-mays-advisors-ensure-became-pm/



Couple of months old, but as abuse is in the news, and child abuse is the most important abuse to address, thought I would post it.

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:21 pm

Very Odd

So the Pm is coming down on abuse by MP's, but decides to cover up this single case?


A look at the link will tell you this is as bad as fake news that Trump spits out

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Post by eddie on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:22 pm

This isn't the first time this rumour has been hovering around. Nothing surprises me anymore.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:23 pm

eddie wrote:This isn't the first time this rumour has been hovering around. Nothing surprises me anymore.


Seriously Eddie


Why is this not main news?

They were be over this like a rash.

Check sources

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Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:29 pm

eddie wrote:This isn't the first time this rumour has been hovering around. Nothing surprises me anymore.


She spoke about it at the time, very influential lady who was furious with what was happening with the Child Abuse Enquiry, which was supposed to be so wide ranging, going into Saville, the childrens homes, Heath and more (don't forget the Tory Minister who was found with a load of child porn in his case at and airport and dear Maggie said 'boys will be boys'.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/child-abuse-inquiry-panel-member-accuses-counsel-intimidation

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:31 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:This isn't the first time this rumour has been hovering around. Nothing surprises me anymore.


She spoke about it at the time, very influential lady who was furious with what was happening with the Child Abuse Enquiry, which was supposed to be so wide ranging, going into Saville, the childrens homes, Heath and more (don't forget the Tory Minister who was found with a load of child porn in his case at and airport and dear Maggie said 'boys will be boys'.


https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/child-abuse-inquiry-panel-member-accuses-counsel-intimidation


Eh?

Did you even read your link?

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Post by eddie on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:34 pm

Didge wrote:
eddie wrote:This isn't the first time this rumour has been hovering around. Nothing surprises me anymore.


Seriously Eddie


Why is this not main news?

They were be over this like a rash.

Check sources

I understand that we can't always trust media stories or any other stories to be fair, but IF this is true. I think that it will somehow be coated over and buried under the carpet.

I'm on the fence, as I am with most stuff I read nowadays, but this has been a whispered rumour for quite a while now.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:38 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


Seriously Eddie


Why is this not main news?

They were be over this like a rash.

Check sources

I understand that we can't always trust media stories or any other stories to be fair, but IF this is true. I think that it will somehow be coated over and buried under the carpet.

I'm on the fence, as I am with most stuff I read nowadays, but this has been a whispered rumour for quite a while now.  


Okay

So again, Sassy's story, which was main media was two years ago from the guardian, her second link.

You tell me, in this day and age how you can cover this up?

With social media

Remember, sassy's intent is not for the victims, but casting blame here.

I like you Eddie state innocent before guilty

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Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:40 pm

eddie wrote:
Didge wrote:


Seriously Eddie


Why is this not main news?

They were be over this like a rash.

Check sources

I understand that we can't always trust media stories or any other stories to be fair, but IF this is true. I think that it will somehow be coated over and buried under the carpet.

I'm on the fence, as I am with most stuff I read nowadays, but this has been a whispered rumour for quite a while now.  


Remember all the statements about how the enquiry was going to be wide ranging and in depth? Ad has there been anything about it? Has it been interviewing those who say they were victims? What evidence has it taken after all these years. And of course it would be supressed when so many were in authority. The police have been lambasted for saying Heath would have been interviewed under caution, out came the establishment to rubbish it. I know some people who are fighting for it, but they are having real problems and being 'got at' at every stage.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 5:44 pm

sassy wrote:
eddie wrote:

I understand that we can't always trust media stories or any other stories to be fair, but IF this is true. I think that it will somehow be coated over and buried under the carpet.

I'm on the fence, as I am with most stuff I read nowadays, but this has been a whispered rumour for quite a while now.  


Remember all the statements about how the enquiry was going to be wide ranging and in depth?   Ad has there been anything about it?   Has it been interviewing those who say they were victims?   What evidence has it taken after all these years.   And of course it would be supressed when so many were in authority.   The police have been lambasted for saying Heath would have been interviewed under caution, out came the establishment to rubbish it.   I know some people who are fighting for it, but they are having real problems and being 'got at' at every stage.


Supressed?

Here we go again, a conspiracy.

Astounding that all the main media are in on this conspiracy.

If you had an extra brain cell sassy, you might actually be interesting to debate

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Nov 05, 2017 1:45 am



This would be the same British Conservative Party who are also actively denying the exploits of the late paedophile, Governor General to Oz, and faux establishment war "hero"  William Slim, while protecting the sensibilities of his parasitic wastrel descendants...

And at the same time dragging the chain on officially recognising the export of stolen British children out to the colonies during WWII  --  while refusing to consider any compensation..

May is no better than any of her predecessors.

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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:06 am

The rw media, Rothsmere (Mail) Desmond (Express) and Murdoch (Sun) and their respective tax evading, crooked editors run the government. May dances to their tune.
You can bet if MP's are involved in scandal, they will cover it up.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:18 am

Oh dear, here we go again...EvolvePolitics, that "truly independent and free-thinking" (their own claim) source of news that is simply a far Left site once described as "partisan to the point of propaganda; want to be called a news source but don't want the scrutiny and regulation that comes from being a proper news site..." and "...so free thinking that they are free to think bollocks..."

They may be "truly independent" of the mainstream genuine news media (none of which, I suspect, would want much to do with them) but independent of thought and opinion they ain't: They are are nothing but a slavish, unquestioning, disciple and sychophant of the Left.

One only has to look at their own home page content blurb: "Why John McDonnell's barnstorming conference speech shows exactly why Britain needs a Labour government NOW."

Or: "Disgraced Tory Michael Fallon accused of lunging to kiss journalist."

Or: "Tory MP allegedly used date rape drug to sexually assault Labour MP"

Or: "'Utterly shameful Tories' wasted £3 million in botched attempt to privatise NHS."

Or: "Shameful Theresa May rejects appeal from 9/ll survivors to publish censored terrorist funding report."

Or: "Michael Gove accused of covering up report on exploding cost of food."

Or: "Tories just handed £55 million NHS contract to tax haven firm."

The list goes on, and on, and on. But of allegations, accusations or revelations of Labour wrongdoing there is none. Nil. Nada. Bugger all.

Truly independent? Freethinking? Trustworthy? Accurate? Balanced?  Bollocks!

Mind you this "partisan to the point of propaganda" organ does have a remarkable sense of humour: One of it's major, 'truly independent and free-thinking' articles whinged piteously that the mainstream (for which read "real") media had been utterly biased against, er, Labour.....
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Post by sassy on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:33 am

Put a sock in it Fred, oh great guardian of the biased establishment media. You failed to notice,

a. She was on the panel and the radio broadcast was about her experiences

and

b.
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/child-abuse-inquiry-panel-member-accuses-counsel-intimidation She was already talking about how members of the establishment were trying to silence things they didn't like.


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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:44 am

sassy wrote:Put a sock in it Fred, oh great guardian of the biased establishment media.  You failed to notice,

a.  She was on the panel and the radio broadcast was about her experiences

and

b.  
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/child-abuse-inquiry-panel-member-accuses-counsel-intimidation  She was already talking about how members of the establishment were trying to silence things they didn't like.



Okay, this is interesting.

So you have taken for granted that she must be telling the truth, correct?

All people should have their claims listened to and have them investigated.

So what i want to know is why you have taken hers as fact without a trial?

Do you need to phone a friend?

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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:50 am

Fred has been turned by his far right chums on his other site. He used to be rw but would view other opinions objectively.
Nowadsys he is in the thrall of the far right.

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 5:52 am

Angry Andy wrote:Fred has been turned by his far right chums on his other site. He used to be rw but would  view other opinions objectively.
Nowadsys he is in the thrall of the far right.


That is utterly pathetic Andy and you know it.

Fred has always openly spoken out against racism, xenophobia, sexism ect..

You are out of order

Its a piss poor ad hominem attack

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Post by SEXY MAMA on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:42 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Oh dear, here we go again...EvolvePolitics, that "truly independent and free-thinking" (their own claim) source of news that is simply a far Left site once described as "partisan to the point of propaganda; want to be called a news source but don't want the scrutiny and regulation that comes from being a proper news site..." and "...so free thinking that they are free to think bollocks..."

They may be "truly independent" of the mainstream genuine news media (none of which, I suspect, would want much to do with them) but independent of thought and opinion they ain't: They are are nothing but a slavish, unquestioning, disciple and sychophant of the Left.

One only has to look at their own home page content blurb: "Why John McDonnell's barnstorming conference speech shows exactly why Britain needs a Labour government NOW."

Or: "Disgraced Tory Michael Fallon accused of lunging to kiss journalist."

Or: "Tory MP allegedly used date rape drug to sexually assault Labour MP"

Or: "'Utterly shameful Tories' wasted £3 million in botched attempt to privatise NHS."

Or: "Shameful Theresa May rejects appeal from 9/ll survivors to publish censored terrorist funding report."

Or: "Michael Gove accused of covering up report on exploding cost of food."

Or: "Tories just handed £55 million NHS contract to tax haven firm."

The list goes on, and on, and on. But of allegations, accusations or revelations of Labour wrongdoing there is none. Nil. Nada. Bugger all.

Truly independent? Freethinking? Trustworthy? Accurate? Balanced?  Bollocks!

Mind you this "partisan to the point of propaganda" organ does have a remarkable sense of humour: One of it's major, 'truly independent and free-thinking' articles whinged piteously that the mainstream (for which read "real") media had been utterly biased against, er, Labour.....

Are you denying it doesn’t happen in the tories?


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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 am

sassy wrote:Put a sock in it Fred, oh great guardian of the biased establishment media.  You failed to notice,

a.  She was on the panel and the radio broadcast was about her experiences

and

b.  
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/jan/20/child-abuse-inquiry-panel-member-accuses-counsel-intimidation  She was already talking about how members of the establishment were trying to silence things they didn't like.


Perhaps you failed to notice that I was commenting principally on the site and general content that you chose as your source: Evolve Politics and its proven Left wing bias in spite of its own prominent and spurious claims to be "truly" independent and free-thinking.

Perhaps you are gullible enough to believe them; personally I would no more unquestioningly believe anything I read in Evolve Politics than I would unquestioningly believe anything that I read in Conservative Home. And that is why I am quite honoured to be referred to as a "guardian" of all the established media...for the simple reason that it does at least for the most part differentiate between factual news and personally expressed opinion in accordance with the time-honoured words of that great editor, C P Scott, that "comment is free but facts are sacred."

So, your intended insult has not had the desired effect, has it? That you are so far up your own backside that you are incapable of countenancing any opposition or dissent to your own opinions is a matter of supreme indifference to me, but perhaps you would be best advised to confine your supercilious arrogance to your own site rather than one on which your views may legitimately and freely challenged.

As for Sharon Evans, she was the serially disaffected former member of the panel who whinged piteouslyabout the determination of panel counsel Ben Emmerson QC in doing what he was supposed to do: to establish the truth.

Someone else like you, no doubt...incapable of accepting that the opinions of others are equally valid and worthy of respect.


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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Nov 05, 2017 6:53 am

In Freds world only Labour are evil.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:00 am

SEXY MAMA wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:Oh dear, here we go again...EvolvePolitics, that "truly independent and free-thinking" (their own claim) source of news that is simply a far Left site once described as "partisan to the point of propaganda; want to be called a news source but don't want the scrutiny and regulation that comes from being a proper news site..." and "...so free thinking that they are free to think bollocks..."

They may be "truly independent" of the mainstream genuine news media (none of which, I suspect, would want much to do with them) but independent of thought and opinion they ain't: They are are nothing but a slavish, unquestioning, disciple and sychophant of the Left.

One only has to look at their own home page content blurb: "Why John McDonnell's barnstorming conference speech shows exactly why Britain needs a Labour government NOW."

Or: "Disgraced Tory Michael Fallon accused of lunging to kiss journalist."

Or: "Tory MP allegedly used date rape drug to sexually assault Labour MP"

Or: "'Utterly shameful Tories' wasted £3 million in botched attempt to privatise NHS."

Or: "Shameful Theresa May rejects appeal from 9/ll survivors to publish censored terrorist funding report."

Or: "Michael Gove accused of covering up report on exploding cost of food."

Or: "Tories just handed £55 million NHS contract to tax haven firm."

The list goes on, and on, and on. But of allegations, accusations or revelations of Labour wrongdoing there is none. Nil. Nada. Bugger all.

Truly independent? Freethinking? Trustworthy? Accurate? Balanced?  Bollocks!

Mind you this "partisan to the point of propaganda" organ does have a remarkable sense of humour: One of it's major, 'truly independent and free-thinking' articles whinged piteously that the mainstream (for which read "real") media had been utterly biased against, er, Labour.....

Are you denying it doesn’t happen in the tories?


Of course not; why should I? I have never done anything other than condemn such behaviour, whoever is the perpetrator.

So why should those who use Evolve Politics as a souce of reportage apparently try to deny - or at least studiously to avoid any mention of the fact - that it happens in the Labour - and other - political parties.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:06 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:Oh dear, here we go again...EvolvePolitics, that "truly independent and free-thinking" (their own claim) source of news that is simply a far Left site once described as "partisan to the point of propaganda; want to be called a news source but don't want the scrutiny and regulation that comes from being a proper news site..." and "...so free thinking that they are free to think bollocks..."

They may be "truly independent" of the mainstream genuine news media (none of which, I suspect, would want much to do with them) but independent of thought and opinion they ain't: They are are nothing but a slavish, unquestioning, disciple and sychophant of the Left.

One only has to look at their own home page content blurb: "Why John McDonnell's barnstorming conference speech shows exactly why Britain needs a Labour government NOW."

Or: "Disgraced Tory Michael Fallon accused of lunging to kiss journalist."

Or: "Tory MP allegedly used date rape drug to sexually assault Labour MP"

Or: "'Utterly shameful Tories' wasted £3 million in botched attempt to privatise NHS."

Or: "Shameful Theresa May rejects appeal from 9/ll survivors to publish censored terrorist funding report."

Or: "Michael Gove accused of covering up report on exploding cost of food."

Or: "Tories just handed £55 million NHS contract to tax haven firm."

The list goes on, and on, and on. But of allegations, accusations or revelations of Labour wrongdoing there is none. Nil. Nada. Bugger all.

Truly independent? Freethinking? Trustworthy? Accurate? Balanced?  Bollocks!

Mind you this "partisan to the point of propaganda" organ does have a remarkable sense of humour: One of it's major, 'truly independent and free-thinking' articles whinged piteously that the mainstream (for which read "real") media had been utterly biased against, er, Labour.....

scratch

And...

Why are you deflecting attention from the main topic here, Fred...

The ongoing Tory/Establishment protection, coverups and denials in relation to their own  sex offenders, paedo's and denialists...

Was Viscount William Slim one of your war heroes,  per chance  ?
Did you ever meet any of his pig offspring..
Involved in the British media coverups ?


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SEXY MAMA wrote:

Are you denying it doesn’t happen in the tories?


Of course not; why should I? I have never done anything other than condemn such behaviour, whoever is the perpetrator.

So why should those who use Evolve Politics as a souce of reportage apparently try to deny - or at least studiously to avoid any mention of the fact - that it happens in the Labour - and other - political parties.


Thanks for that Fred.

It happens EVERYWHERE.

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Angry Andy wrote:Fred has been turned by his far right chums on his other site. He used to be rw but would  view other opinions objectively.
Nowadsys he is in the thrall of the far right.

Would those be the "far right chums" that according to you I have such extensive pally conversations with?

So, yet again I'll challenge you to produce any "far right" post that I have ever made. Anywhere.

I'm not "in thrall" to anyone, Andy - I am perfectly capable of formulating and expressing my own opinions without the need to be influenced to the point of sycophancy by what others say.

Perhaps you should try it sometimes - it might help you to stop making idiotic observations.
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Are you denying it doesn’t happen in the tories?


Of course not; why should I? I have never done anything other than condemn such behaviour, whoever is the perpetrator.

So why should those who use Evolve Politics as a souce of reportage apparently try to deny - or at least studiously to avoid any mention of the fact - that it happens in the Labour - and other - political parties.



Er - that would be the Labour Party who immediately suspended and started investigations into those accused. And please show me the report Evolve has done that says there are no sexual predators in the Labour Party.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:Oh dear, here we go again...EvolvePolitics, that "truly independent and free-thinking" (their own claim) source of news that is simply a far Left site once described as "partisan to the point of propaganda; want to be called a news source but don't want the scrutiny and regulation that comes from being a proper news site..." and "...so free thinking that they are free to think bollocks..."

They may be "truly independent" of the mainstream genuine news media (none of which, I suspect, would want much to do with them) but independent of thought and opinion they ain't: They are are nothing but a slavish, unquestioning, disciple and sychophant of the Left.

One only has to look at their own home page content blurb: "Why John McDonnell's barnstorming conference speech shows exactly why Britain needs a Labour government NOW."

Or: "Disgraced Tory Michael Fallon accused of lunging to kiss journalist."

Or: "Tory MP allegedly used date rape drug to sexually assault Labour MP"

Or: "'Utterly shameful Tories' wasted £3 million in botched attempt to privatise NHS."

Or: "Shameful Theresa May rejects appeal from 9/ll survivors to publish censored terrorist funding report."

Or: "Michael Gove accused of covering up report on exploding cost of food."

Or: "Tories just handed £55 million NHS contract to tax haven firm."

The list goes on, and on, and on. But of allegations, accusations or revelations of Labour wrongdoing there is none. Nil. Nada. Bugger all.

Truly independent? Freethinking? Trustworthy? Accurate? Balanced?  Bollocks!

Mind you this "partisan to the point of propaganda" organ does have a remarkable sense of humour: One of it's major, 'truly independent and free-thinking' articles whinged piteously that the mainstream (for which read "real") media had been utterly biased against, er, Labour.....

scratch

And...

Why are you deflecting attention from the main topic here, Fred...

The ongoing Tory/Establishment protection, coverups and denials in relation to their own  sex offenders, paedo's and denialists...

Was Viscount William Slim one of your war heroes,  per chance  ?
Did you ever meet any of his pig offspring..
Involved in the British media coverups ?

Far from committing coverups and denials, the Tory Party appear at present to be particularly adept (not to mention inept) at exposing their own skeletons in the cupboard.

I have never given any thought to Viscount William Slim, or his offspring. Is there any reason why I should - or is this simply your own "deflection"?

And no, he wasn't a war hero of mine. Those would be the firemen, Civil Defence and other emergency service personnel who daily dug casualties out of the wreckage of my home town during night after night of bombing by the Luftwaffe and the parents who gave up part of what little food they had to make sure that we kids did not suffer the full privation of rationing caused by submarine warfare.
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Post by sassy on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:39 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
scratch

And...

Why are you deflecting attention from the main topic here, Fred...

The ongoing Tory/Establishment protection, coverups and denials in relation to their own  sex offenders, paedo's and denialists...

Was Viscount William Slim one of your war heroes,  per chance  ?
Did you ever meet any of his pig offspring..
Involved in the British media coverups ?

Far from committing coverups and denials, the Tory Party appear at present to be particularly adept (not to mention inept) at exposing their own skeletons in the cupboard.

I have never given any thought to Viscount William Slim, or his offspring. Is there any reason why I should - or is this simply your own "deflection"?

And no, he wasn't a war hero of mine. Those would be the firemen, Civil Defence and other emergency service personnel who daily dug casualties out of the wreckage of my home town during night after night of bombing by the Luftwaffe and the parents who gave up part of what little food they had to make sure that we kids did not suffer the full privation of rationing caused by submarine warfare.


You are kidding me. May has known about those allegations for years, Lisa Nandy repeated in the HOC that she has brought them to her attention over and over again. It was only because the Whips list got on the net that they had to do something. And the person who had all that knowledge for years and never did anything except use it against MPs to control them, is now Foreign Secretary, and even Conservative MPs are up in arms about that.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:42 am

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Fred has been turned by his far right chums on his other site. He used to be rw but would  view other opinions objectively.
Nowadsys he is in the thrall of the far right.

Idea

Fred is always prepared to speak out against sexual abusers, crooked and corrupt politicians, and naughty bad people in general...

Just as long as they're not the protected darlings of the Tory 'establishment', and their mainstream media defenders..


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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Of course not; why should I? I have never done anything other than condemn such behaviour, whoever is the perpetrator.

So why should those who use Evolve Politics as a souce of reportage apparently try to deny - or at least studiously to avoid any mention of the fact - that it happens in the Labour - and other - political parties.



Er - that would be the Labour Party who immediately suspended and started investigations into those accused.   And please show me the report Evolve has done that says there are no sexual predators in the Labour Party.

At least try reading the published home page content of Evolve...and then explain why among all the copious references to Tory wrongdoing, both established and alleged, there is not one single reference to similar allegations involving the Labour Party.

You choose to present Evolve Politics as an authoritative source; I am simply questioning its blatant bias.
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Fred Moletrousers wrote:

Far from committing coverups and denials, the Tory Party appear at present to be particularly adept (not to mention inept) at exposing their own skeletons in the cupboard.

I have never given any thought to Viscount William Slim, or his offspring. Is there any reason why I should - or is this simply your own "deflection"?

And no, he wasn't a war hero of mine. Those would be the firemen, Civil Defence and other emergency service personnel who daily dug casualties out of the wreckage of my home town during night after night of bombing by the Luftwaffe and the parents who gave up part of what little food they had to make sure that we kids did not suffer the full privation of rationing caused by submarine warfare.


You are kidding me.   May has known about those allegations for years, Lisa Nandy repeated in the HOC that she has brought them to her attention over and over again.   It was only because the Whips list got on the net that they had to do something.   And the person who had all that knowledge for years and never did anything except use it against MPs to control them, is now Foreign Secretary, and even Conservative MPs are up in arms about that.

I would have thought that following the "leak" of that notorious redacted blacklist which emanated from the Tory Party itself and which you used with such apparent glee, my remark might well have been taken by anyone with the slightest sense of humour as accusing the Tories of managing yet again to shoot themselves in the foot.
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Would you be so kind as to interpret your post for me? Sadly I am unable to read Antipodean dialect Idiot.
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Angry Andy wrote:Fred has been turned by his far right chums on his other site. He used to be rw but would  view other opinions objectively.
Nowadsys he is in the thrall of the far right.


That is utterly pathetic Andy and you know it.

Fred has always openly spoken out against racism, xenophobia, sexism ect..

You are out of order

Its a piss poor ad hominem attack

Rolling Eyes

THAT is an outright fucking lie on your part, Didge...

Anytime anyone has brought up the subject of ongoing Tory Establishment protection of sexual offenders, paedophiles in high places, or the stolen children during WWII, Fred has deliberately ignored the subject while attacking the person posting that story..

And again here we see him doing it on here again.

Quite pathetic, really..

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Now it appears Fred's taken to trolling this thread !!!

Nothing like a bit of major deflection and misdirection, when your beloved Tory Establishment is being pilloried and batterd so mercilessly..

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You are kidding me.   May has known about those allegations for years, Lisa Nandy repeated in the HOC that she has brought them to her attention over and over again.   It was only because the Whips list got on the net that they had to do something.   And the person who had all that knowledge for years and never did anything except use it against MPs to control them, is now Foreign Secretary, and even Conservative MPs are up in arms about that.

I would have thought that following the "leak" of that notorious redacted blacklist which emanated from the Tory Party itself and which you used with such apparent glee, my remark might well have been taken by anyone with the slightest sense of humour as accusing the Tories of managing yet again to shoot themselves in the foot.


Fred, could you tell me, what part of 'informed about it 3 years and 2 year ago, didn't do anything but allowed Whips Office to hold the information and use it to blackmail MPs into line' don't you understand. And BTW, what 'glee'? Were people 'gleeful' because the information on Savile came to light? Fucking disgusted is nearer the mark.

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Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 8:22 am

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Didge wrote:


That is utterly pathetic Andy and you know it.

Fred has always openly spoken out against racism, xenophobia, sexism ect..

You are out of order

Its a piss poor ad hominem attack

Rolling Eyes

THAT is an outright fucking lie on your part,  Didge...

Anytime anyone has brought up the subject of ongoing Tory Establishment protection of sexual offenders, paedophiles in high places, or the stolen children during WWII,  Fred has deliberately ignored the subject while attacking the person posting that story..

And again here we see him doing it on here again.

Quite pathetic,  really..

Really, then prove it?

Please post up your claims on post he has made

If not I expect an apology

Its weird though, that you can make such outrageous lies about Fred and not be spoken to be Eddie

Again a clear example of her sexism

As she clearly does not care how male posters are spoken to

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:13 am

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Didge wrote:


That is utterly pathetic Andy and you know it.

Fred has always openly spoken out against racism, xenophobia, sexism ect..

You are out of order

Its a piss poor ad hominem attack

Rolling Eyes

THAT is an outright fucking lie on your part,  Didge...

Anytime anyone has brought up the subject of ongoing Tory Establishment protection of sexual offenders, paedophiles in high places, or the stolen children during WWII,  Fred has deliberately ignored the subject while attacking the person posting that story..

And again here we see him doing it on here again.

Quite pathetic,  really..

Really? Perhaps you would present some proof of this allegation by giving us some examples.

My initial contribution to this thread was a perfectly legitimate observation about the overt political bias, and therefore trustworthiness, of what publicly claims to be a "truly independent and free-thinking" source of news when it is clearly nothing of the sort.

Additionally, my post contained no mention of the poster whatsoever...until I attracted the predictable insult and weak attempt at sarcastic dismissal by someone who is not best known for any toleration of opposing views.

Apart from this particular thread, I have gone back over my posts as far as August and and can see absolutely nothing of this so-called and implied defence of the "Tory establishment" and "protection of sexual offenders or paedophiles in high places," or of children being stolen in WW2, whatever that may mean. In fact my contribution to any thread for some time now has been woefully limited.

I  suggest that where "outright fucking lies" , attacks on posters and trolling are concerned, there is no-one within this forum who can even begin to approach your own vile record.


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There is no-one on here who can approach the vile and downright warped attitude of some of your fellow posters on Flop. Kaka, Sawyer, Stormee all spring to mind. They make the weird buffoons like Drinky, Chris  P Bacon, Hugh Jardon and Steve Durham seem almost tolerable.

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Angry Andy wrote:There is no-one on here who can approach the vile and downright warped attitude of some of your fellow posters on Flop. Kaka, Sawyer, Stormee all spring to mind. They make the weird buffoons like Drinky, Chris  P Bacon, Hugh Jardon and Steve Durham seem almost tolerable.

"Oh, I agree Hugh."

Which is why, in spite of your own previous downright lies to the contrary, I do not and never have involved myself in any of their racist or homophobic threads and posts.

I am still awaiting your apology for falsely accusing me in this forum of having all those "chummy discussions" with them.

In the meantime, though I post even less in IAF than in here, I will continue to post what I like and where I like in spite of your mendacity and infantile obsessions.
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And so it continues...

Yet another damning reveal in those reports last month,  is that no less than MI5 knew of the bad seeds amongst British politicians, diplomats and Establishment 'heroes'; making Britains spy/security chiefs complicit in those coverups and denials..


Former member of the Oz Liberal Party, the late paedo'/sex offender Sir Cyrill Smith was knighted back during the Thatcher era.

Add him to others that I've previously listed above.


Scumbag Fred Moletrousers is the last geranium on this planet who should be attacking others on here --  when that mealy-mouthed old fool turns his venom onto conservative/establishment coverups,  rather than so often choosing to "shoot the messengers",  than I will give him the respect he so obviously craves...

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Leave Fred alone you nasty bastard, he's nothing like the man you just described. Look to yourself for a change, your never happier than when your spouting your filth against other posters. Your mind is filled with hate, do you have any friends at home? I doubt it, people might speak to you, but underneath they think your a geranium !!!
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nicko wrote:Leave Fred alone you nasty bastard,  he's nothing like the man you just described.    Look to yourself for a change, your never happier than when your spouting your filth against other posters. Your mind is filled with hate,   do you have any friends at home?  I doubt it, people might speak to you, but underneath they think your a geranium  !!!

Thanks, Nicko, but I shall accept the censure of a pea-brained semi house trained pussy like that particular hypocritical Aussie slimeball and will wear it as a badge of pride.
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Nov 06, 2017 5:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

And so it continues...

Yet another damning reveal in those reports last month,  is that no less than MI5 knew of the bad seeds amongst British politicians, diplomats and Establishment 'heroes';  making Britains spy/security chiefs complicit in those coverups and denials..


Former member of the Oz Liberal Party, the late paedo'/sex offender Sir Cyrill Smith was knighted back during the Thatcher era.

Add him to others that I've previously listed above.


Scumbag Fred Moletrousers is the last geranium on this planet who should be attacking others on here --  when that mealy-mouthed old fool turns his venom onto conservative/establishment coverups,  rather than so often choosing to "shoot the messengers",  than I will give him the respect he so obviously craves...

So? Smith was a Labour politician for 14 years and was included in the 1966 Honours List (as MBE) during the Prime Ministership of Labour's Harold Wilson, followed by the award of a knighthood during the Thatcher administration of 1988.

However, neither award was within the gift of the Premier; it would almost inevitably have been on local recommendation for local services (in the case of his MBE) and on the recommendation of, or at least with the endorsdement of, his political party leader in the case of his knighthood. Additionally, honours in the UK are subject to the scrutiny and ultimate decision of an independent committee.

So that's another of your pathetic smear attempts demolished.

Now, perhaps you will show some guts for once and do as you have so frequently been asked by myself and others: Come up with some actual proof of the filthy lies and smears that are your stock-in-trade.

Where, for example, do I "attack the poster" in my original post in this thread?

Sassy posted material containing what were nothing more than broadcast allegations made by a disaffected campaigner and activist with a particular party political axe to grind, and cited as her source a Left wing internet "news" site that ridiculously claims to be "truly independent and free-thinking" when it is nothing of the sort, as the entire content of its home page clearly shows. In fact it is almost exclusively dedicated to rubbishing the Tory Party and its members and ministers in the same way that the equally partisan Conservative Home site is dedicated to rubbishing Labour.

The only difference is that Conservative Home does not have the gall to present itself as being anything other than a Tory propaganda machine.

My post, which did not even mention Sassy, referred solely to the validity of her chosen source, given its complete lack of balance and objectivity, and asked why we should necessarily believe the contents - particularly since it is not the first time that we have been invited to accept Evolve Politics as an authoritative source of news.

Sassy does not like anyone questioning her opinions and her reaction was predictable - what she obviously intended to be a personal insult, albeit mild, but which on this occasion fell flat.

Oh dear. How sad. Never mind....
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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 06, 2017 6:32 am

nicko wrote:Leave Fred alone you nasty bastard,  he's nothing like the man you just described.    Look to yourself for a change, your never happier than when your spouting your filth against other posters. Your mind is filled with hate,   do you have any friends at home?  I doubt it, people might speak to you, but underneath they think your a geranium  !!!

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The ones who do spout all the undeserved hatred are the ones who know that deep down it's themselves they are really talking about.

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by SEXY MAMA on Mon Nov 06, 2017 7:24 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

And so it continues...

Yet another damning reveal in those reports last month,  is that no less than MI5 knew of the bad seeds amongst British politicians, diplomats and Establishment 'heroes';  making Britains spy/security chiefs complicit in those coverups and denials..


Former member of the Oz Liberal Party, the late paedo'/sex offender Sir Cyrill Smith was knighted back during the Thatcher era.

Add him to others that I've previously listed above.


Scumbag Fred Moletrousers is the last geranium on this planet who should be attacking others on here --  when that mealy-mouthed old fool turns his venom onto conservative/establishment coverups,  rather than so often choosing to "shoot the messengers",  than I will give him the respect he so obviously craves...

Wolfie Fred is a nice guy.

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by Jules on Mon Nov 06, 2017 4:52 pm

I have never considered myself to have a 6th sense or any sort of intuition but many years ago, when I saw Theresa May promising 'solemnly' to investigate parliamentary sex abuse and paedo crimes  I instinctively KNEW how utterly fake she was being. She sounded COMPLETELY unconvincing and her voice rang out with insincerity

This promise was made many years ago, while she was still home secretary. The full truth will never come out when so many top people have so much to lose.

She'd have had a bounty placed on her head if she'd seriously meant it, and she knew it - she'd have probably had some strange car accident or something. Suspect

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:15 pm

SEXY MAMA wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

And so it continues...

Yet another damning reveal in those reports last month,  is that no less than MI5 knew of the bad seeds amongst British politicians, diplomats and Establishment 'heroes';  making Britains spy/security chiefs complicit in those coverups and denials..


Former member of the Oz Liberal Party, the late paedo'/sex offender Sir Cyrill Smith was knighted back during the Thatcher era.

Add him to others that I've previously listed above.


Scumbag Fred Moletrousers is the last geranium on this planet who should be attacking others on here --  when that mealy-mouthed old fool turns his venom onto conservative/establishment coverups,  rather than so often choosing to "shoot the messengers",  than I will give him the respect he so obviously craves...

Wolfie Fred is a nice guy.

Idea

Not with some of his,rabid attacks against Andy, veya, sassy or me at various times, he isn't...

Like I say -- when he starts addressing the issues, instead of deflecting attention away from 'Establishment' coverups and 'institutionalisef' protections, then I might agree -- but I have yet to see it..

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:03 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
SEXY MAMA wrote:

Wolfie Fred is a nice guy.

Idea

Not with some of his,rabid attacks against Andy, veya, sassy or me at various times, he isn't...

Like I say  --  when he starts addressing the issues,  instead of deflecting attention away from 'Establishment' coverups and 'institutionalisef' protections,  then I might agree --  but I have yet to see it..

Not, of course, that Andy, Veya and yourself ever launch "rabid" attacks against other posters, do you?

"Smelly - a white supremacist, fascist, spineless army deserter and proud bigot."
Tommy -climate denialist, history revisionist, racist and xenophobic prick.
Stormee -fake soldier, outrageous racist and misogynist."
"SmellyFascistBum..."
"Braindead fuckfaced rascist moron"
"fucking spineless coward, army deserter fascist prick"
"SmellyFascistScumBum"
"racist and xenophobic pox"
"SmellyLyingBumTroll"

What are we to make of those recent examples of your eloquent posts? Terms of endearment? Harmless banter? The considered opinions of a towering intellect?

No, the fact is that they are a random selection of literary accomplishment that would disgrace a third form schoolboy who had just discovered the word "fuck" and was trying to show how big and brave he is by using it over and over again.

Now, not that you will respond in anything approaching coherent English, where are all these examples of "conservative/establishment coverups and 'institutionalisef (sic) protections"? Or my many racist, fascist, far right and xenophobic posts?

You have accused me of all of those in the past and have never had the guts - or ability - to produce a single example. Because they do not exist - and never have.

If you are referring to this thread then you have failed completely to understand, or even attempt to understand, the perfectly valid points that I made...because you are far more interested in posting personal abuse and in trying to "big" yourself up in front of your likeminded peers in a futile attempt to cover up your patently obvious inadequacies, not to mention your serial mendacity, hypocrisy, arrogance and cowardice.


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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by eddie on Tue Nov 07, 2017 4:50 am

Fred has never been, in all the years I've known him, a racist pig. I'll back that opinion to the hilt.

Weird though, because certain posters used to call me RW on here and that was pretty laughable considering my past posts on Sky, ADO and Flap forum - where I was always considered very left wing.

I think name-calling and labels have little to do with what you actually write anymore - it's pretty much, once a sausage always a sausage, even if you post like a carrot.

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Re: LISTEN: Historic child abuse panel member: “I was silenced by Theresa May’s advisors to ensure she became PM”

Post by nicko on Tue Nov 07, 2017 5:35 am

You put that very well Fred, much better than I tried to do, Wolfie is the biggest "keyboard warrior" I have had the misfortune to "meet ! He is a man who tries to big himself up in the eyes of his peers, even his name Wolfie is an attempt to make himself look strong and manly !
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