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Would that count as a hate crime?

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:24 pm

heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?

Maybe to some, but I've always understood a hate crime to be a crime committed against someone for belonging to a minority group that person was identified by the assailant as being part of, intended not only to hurt the individual but to frighten everyone like him or her. So while some might say that all violent attacks are driven by hate (which I think is nonsense; I believe far more are driven by desperation), I believe that an easy way to put it is that hate crimes target minorities for the purposes of intimidation.


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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:24 pm

heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?

Would depend on the motivation for the attack, and the language used during it.

Why are you so obsessed with gay people?

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:26 pm

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heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?

Would depend on the motivation for the attack, and the language used during it.

Why are you so obsessed with gay people?

It might be because you keep shoving them down our throats.

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heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?

Would depend on the motivation for the attack, and the language used during it.

Why are you so obsessed with gay people?

It might be because you keep shoving them down our throats.

Why are you so obsessed with the idea of something being shoved down your throat?  ::roglol:: ::roglol:: ::roglol:: 

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:45 pm

i wondered if the police would list as hate crime is what i was trying to ask.

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Post by ALLAKAKA on Tue Feb 04, 2014 3:51 pm

heavenly father wrote:i wondered if the police would list as hate crime is what i was trying to ask.



NO !  It would more likely  be called TOUGH LOVE

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heavenly father wrote:i wondered if the police would list as hate crime is what i was trying to ask.

I doubt it, but it would be dependent on how the statute was written up. However, if a gay person assaulting another gay person could be considered a hate crime, that would mean that the same thing could apply to two straight people (presumably of the same ethnicity, of course) and that could open a whole other can of worms.

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heavenly father wrote:i wondered if the police would list as hate crime is what i was trying to ask.

I doubt it, but it would be dependent on how the statute was written up. However, if a gay person assaulting another gay person could be considered a hate crime, that would mean that the same thing could apply to two straight people (presumably of the same ethnicity, of course) and that could open a whole other can of worms.

what if one of them was bisexual and the bisexual beat up the homosexual, would the police have to say hat was a hate crime.

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Post by ALLAKAKA on Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:01 pm

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Ben_Reilly wrote:

I doubt it, but it would be dependent on how the statute was written up. However, if a gay person assaulting another gay person could be considered a hate crime, that would mean that the same thing could apply to two straight people (presumably of the same ethnicity, of course) and that could open a whole other can of worms.

what if one of them was bisexual and the bisexual beat up the homosexual, would the police have to say hat was a hate crime.



Then he would get HALF THE SENTENCE.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:23 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
heavenly father wrote:i wondered if the police would list as hate crime is what i was trying to ask.

I doubt it, but it would be dependent on how the statute was written up. However, if a gay person assaulting another gay person could be considered a hate crime, that would mean that the same thing could apply to two straight people (presumably of the same ethnicity, of course) and that could open a whole other can of worms.

what if one of them was bisexual and the bisexual beat up the homosexual, would the police have to say hat was a hate crime.

I would imagine they'd have to use other evidence to determine whether or not a hate crime had been committed -- why don't you e-mail your local police and ask them?

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 4:26 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

what if one of them was bisexual and the bisexual beat up the homosexual, would the police have to say hat was a hate crime.

I would imagine they'd have to use other evidence to determine whether or not a hate crime had been committed -- why don't you e-mail your local police and ask them?

That's a good idea!
A few others should follow that lead as well, as they seem to be confused by hate crime laws, even though it's all been explained to them!

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That would be a double blow....














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That would be a double blow....














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That would be a double blow....




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Just kidding, Laughing 

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:28 pm

would it be classed as a hate crime..

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:31 pm

heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?
Depends on the motivation for the assault doesn`t it
Which in your example is unlikely be homophobia

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 6:47 pm

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heavenly father wrote:Would that count as a hate crime?
Depends on the motivation for the assault doesn`t it
Which in your example is unlikely be homophobia

if they clashed over boyfriends?

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:06 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
Depends on the motivation for the assault doesn`t it
Which in your example is unlikely be homophobia

If they clashed over boyfriends?
bit of a stretch that would be a crime of passion surely

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Korben Dallas wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

If they clashed over boyfriends?
bit of a stretch that would be a crime of passion surely

I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 7:20 pm

heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
bit of a stretch that would be a crime of passion surely

I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..
i wouldn't think so ,unless the mugger knew he was gay before the mugging and that was his motivation for the mugging other than basic theft or Demanding with menaces

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heavenly father wrote:
Korben Dallas wrote:
bit of a stretch that would be a crime of passion surely

I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..


DEFINITELY.

But if it's the other way round and you asked if it were a hate crime they'd ask why would it be a hate crime - heterosexuals aren't subjected to hate.

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...it would be a bummer!! Laughing 

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 8:55 pm

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I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..


DEFINITELY.

But if it's the other way round and you asked if it were a hate crime they'd ask why would it be a hate crime - heterosexuals aren't subjected to hate.

Not purely for the fact that they are attracted to women..No.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:39 pm

BigAndy9 wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..


DEFINITELY.

But if it's the other way round and you asked if it were a hate crime they'd ask why would it be a hate crime - heterosexuals aren't subjected to hate.

Oh yes they are. Its a hate crime if its motivated by hate towards the victim for something that is part of the victim,
like skin colour, religion, sexuality or disability

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:42 pm

NemsAgain wrote:
BigAndy9 wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

I don't know, i was just wondering how many so called hate crimes that the police record are actually what they seem, is a gay gets mugged by a straight man, is it always because he was gay..


DEFINITELY.

But if it's the other way round and you asked if it were a hate crime they'd ask why would it be a hate crime - heterosexuals aren't subjected to hate.

Oh yes they are. Its a hate crime if its motivated by hate towards the victim for something that is part of the victim,
like skin colour, religion, sexuality or disability

I would say, though, that for a gay-on-straight crime to be a hate crime, it would have to be something like a straight person moving into a predominantly gay area and assaulted by someone saying "Breeders go back where you came from" or something ...

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:46 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:

Oh yes they are. Its a hate crime if its motivated by hate towards the victim for something that is part of the victim,
like skin colour, religion, sexuality or disability

I would say, though, that for a gay-on-straight crime to be a hate crime, it would have to be something like a straight person moving into a predominantly gay area and assaulted by someone saying "Breeders go back where you came from" or something ...

What about rape then? would that be hate motivated ?

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NemsAgain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:

Oh yes they are. Its a hate crime if its motivated by hate towards the victim for something that is part of the victim,
like skin colour, religion, sexuality or disability

I would say, though, that for a gay-on-straight crime to be a hate crime, it would have to be something like a straight person moving into a predominantly gay area and assaulted by someone saying "Breeders go back where you came from" or something ...

What about rape then? would that be hate motivated ?

Certainly could be -- I think you'd have to have more details, but rape has definitely been committed to intimidate a community.

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:49 pm

NemsAgain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

I would say, though, that for a gay-on-straight crime to be a hate crime, it would have to be something like a straight person moving into a predominantly gay area and assaulted by someone saying "Breeders go back where you came from" or something ...

What about rape then? would that be hate motivated ?

it's not rape if you shout "surprise" its just surprise sex which i think is legal.. :D 

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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 9:50 pm

Ben_Reilly wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:

What about rape then? would that be hate motivated ?

Certainly could be -- I think you'd have to have more details, but rape has definitely been committed to intimidate a community.

Thats very true, and as we know rape is not about sex.

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heavenly father wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:

I would say, though, that for a gay-on-straight crime to be a hate crime, it would have to be something like a straight person moving into a predominantly gay area and assaulted by someone saying "Breeders go back where you came from" or something ...

What about rape then? would that be hate motivated ?

it's not rape if you shout "surprise" its just surprise sex which i think is legal.. :D 

You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

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heavenly father wrote:

it's not rape if you shout "surprise" its just surprise sex which i think is legal.. :D 

You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

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heavenly father wrote:
Ben_Reilly wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

it's not rape if you shout "surprise" its just surprise sex which i think is legal.. :D 

You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

A lot of them are a bit too sophisticated for some people -- they rarely feature people slipping on a banana peel and falling, for example  Cool 

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You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 
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Ben_Reilly wrote:

You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

I disagree, Frasier, Friends, Cheers, Golden Girls, Roseanne, Taxi, Married with Children etc

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heavenly father wrote:

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

I disagree, Frasier, Friends, Cheers, Golden Girls, Roseanne, Taxi, Married with Children etc

all american sitcoms are terrible humour, to contrived, set up in situations that would never really happen, can't beat the best of British humour.

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Ben_Reilly wrote:

You know what's never funny? Rape jokes  Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad 

you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

The only one that i liked was with Bruce Wills & Cybill Shepherd.

Moonlighting.

Brilliant show!

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you know what's never funny american sitcoms... :D :D 

The only one that i liked was with Bruce Wills & Cybill Shepherd.

Moonlighting.

boy that goes back a bit...

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The only one that i liked was with Bruce Wills & Cybill Shepherd.

Moonlighting.

boy that goes back a bit...

You always remember a good show!

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NemsAgain wrote:

I disagree, Frasier, Friends, Cheers, Golden Girls, Roseanne, Taxi, Married with Children etc

all american sitcoms are terrible humour, to contrived, set up in situations that would never really happen, can't beat the best of British humour.
To be fair I think, that is part of it, all the 'situations' are contrived. That goes equally for UK ones too.

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NemsAgain wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

all american sitcoms are terrible humour, to contrived, set up in situations that would never really happen, can't beat the best of British humour.
To be fair I think, that is part of it, all the 'situations' are contrived. That goes equally for UK ones too.

I disagree, i think british comedies are far more flowing and clever, americans always end up relying on some 5 year old kid saying something a forty year old would come out with.

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heavenly father wrote:
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heavenly father wrote:

all american sitcoms are terrible humour, to contrived, set up in situations that would never really happen, can't beat the best of British humour.
To be fair I think, that is part of it, all the 'situations' are contrived. That goes equally for UK ones too.

I disagree, i think british comedies are far more flowing and clever, americans always end up relying on some 5 year old kid saying something a forty year old would come out with.


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Post by Guest on Tue Feb 04, 2014 11:14 pm

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The only one that i liked was with Bruce Wills & Cybill Shepherd.

Moonlighting.

boy that goes back a bit...
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heavenly father wrote:
NemsAgain wrote:
To be fair I think, that is part of it, all the 'situations' are contrived. That goes equally for UK ones too.

I disagree, i think british comedies are far more flowing and clever, americans always end up relying on some 5 year old kid saying something a forty year old would come out with.
Humour is subjective and relies a great deal on the audience

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NemsAgain wrote:
heavenly father wrote:

all american sitcoms are terrible humour, to contrived, set up in situations that would never really happen, can't beat the best of British humour.
To be fair I think, that is part of it, all the 'situations' are contrived. That goes equally for UK ones too.
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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Feb 05, 2014 1:13 am

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I doubt it, but it would be dependent on how the statute was written up. However, if a gay person assaulting another gay person could be considered a hate crime, that would mean that the same thing could apply to two straight people (presumably of the same ethnicity, of course) and that could open a whole other can of worms.

what if one of them was bisexual and the bisexual beat up the homosexual, would the police have to say hat was a hate crime.

A hate crime is not a hate crime because the victim is a minority, a hate crime is a hate crime because the perpetrator Choose the victim because the victim was a minority.

Like the difference between murder and manslaughter the difference is the intent of the perpetrator.

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