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Post by sassy on Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:40 pm

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Michael Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary, saying his behaviour in the past may have "fallen short" in the wake of harassment allegations swirling around Westminster.



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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:12 pm

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

I'm just tired of reading and hearing about stuff that supposedly happened years ago. FFS, if a woman thinks she's been assaulted in some way, she should report it at the time, not years later.


Great post by Sly, but you are missing the point.

The reality is whether people would have been believed at the time or how women in many cases did not think such harrassment would have been taken seriously at the time. So its easy to understand why many did not report.

The reality is 30/40 years ago women did fear speaking out about such harrasement and abuse. I guess some of this had to do with a fear of losing their jobs. That they would not believed and that by speaking out and not believed they would lose any chance within that field of employment. Thankfully things have changed.

So its poor of you to just knock some who could be genuine in their claims.

I really don't give a toss what you think, so go and pester someone else.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:14 pm

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Great post by Sly, but you are missing the point.

The reality is whether people would have been believed at the time or how women in many cases did not think such harrassment would have been taken seriously at the time. So its easy to understand why many did not report.

The reality is 30/40 years ago women did fear speaking out about such harrasement and abuse. I guess some of this had to do with a fear of losing their jobs. That they would not believed and that by speaking out and not believed they would lose any chance within that field of employment. Thankfully things have changed.

So its poor of you to just knock some who could be genuine in their claims.

I really don't give a toss what you think, so go and pester someone else.


You clearly do by replying.

Did you fall out of bed this morning grumpy?

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Post by Syl on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:14 pm

Thanks Didge.

I think its been proven that decades ago sexual abuse was seldom reported for the reasons you give, and even when it was reported it was mostly ignored, in the workplace women especially had little backup.

When the Saville scandal broke and many people had the courage finally to speak out and be heard, the term 'historic sexual abuse' seemed to be everywhere ....at last those people were being heard.

Unfortunately some men were falsely accused, or the accusations were so pathetic police time was wasted in investigating, and reputations were ruined.

I believe this is happening again,  regarding both  the politicians here and following  the Weinstein scandal in the states.
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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:15 pm

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I really don't give a toss what you think, so go and pester someone else.


You clearly do by replying.

Did you fall out of bed this morning grumpy?

You're the reason I don't post much here any more. Why don't you just reply to others and leave me alone?

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:18 pm

Syl wrote:Thanks Didge.

I think its been proven that decades ago sexual abuse was seldom reported for the reasons you give, and even when it was reported it was mostly ignored, in the workplace women especially had little backup.

When the Saville scandal broke and many people had the courage finally to speak out and be heard, the term 'historic sexual abuse' seemed to be everywhere ....at last those people were being heard.

Unfortunately some men were falsely accused, or the accusations were so pathetic police time was wasted in investigating, and reputations were ruined.

I believe this is happening again,  regarding both  the politicians here and  the Weinstein scandal in the states.
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It was a great post and you see where the issues once were.
The reality that people once faced and even still today with some victims.

I mean look at how many victims of domestic violence are afraid to come forward.
Its about empowering those victims to come forward.

I agree with your view that some will clearly jump on the bandwagon. We have see an increase of this of late with cases of false rape claims ect.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:19 pm

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You clearly do by replying.

Did you fall out of bed this morning grumpy?

You're the reason I don't post much here any more. Why don't you just reply to others and leave me alone?


Seriously grow up

If I bother you that much, why on earth are you replying to me, when you can actually place me on ignore?

I think you seriously yearn for the attention.

That is your problem here.

As there was nothing wrong with my first reply to you.

You are another poster that cannot even contemplate your views might be poor or wrong

That again is a major issue you have.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:42 pm

Didge wrote:
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You're the reason I don't post much here any more. Why don't you just reply to others and leave me alone?


Seriously grow up

If I bother you that much, why on earth are you replying to me, when you can actually place me on ignore?

I think you seriously yearn for the attention.

That is your problem here.

As there was nothing wrong with my first reply to you.

You are another poster that cannot even contemplate your views might be poor or wrong

That again is a major issue you have.

Why can't you just leave me alone? There are plenty of other people here for you to talk to and inform that their ideas are "poor". I'm sick and tired of your arrogance.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:


Seriously grow up

If I bother you that much, why on earth are you replying to me, when you can actually place me on ignore?

I think you seriously yearn for the attention.

That is your problem here.

As there was nothing wrong with my first reply to you.

You are another poster that cannot even contemplate your views might be poor or wrong

That again is a major issue you have.

Why can't you just leave me alone? There are plenty of other people here for you to talk to and inform that their ideas are "poor". I'm sick and tired of your arrogance.


Let me lay this down for you in simple terms

This is a forum and on forums, people engage in debate.

If I see views which I disagree on or even agree on, I will reply.

That is the main reason people are on a debate forum, as they like to debate.

So clearly you have a problem with me.

I have bust ups with posters and move on, so why is it you cannot move on?

Because you hold a grudge

What does that say about you?

That you cannot find closure, in that you have to maintain animosity.

Again what does that say about you?

I have nothing against you or anyone else here. I may get annoyed at times and my passions run away with me, but maybe you can tell me what on earth was wrong with my first reply to you on this post. That has made you so childish in your replies here?

I mean its a complete lie that you are sick and tired of me. If you were. You would simple never bother replying to you. Which says to me, you have a need. A need to of wanting attention. You want people to feel sorry for you and place yourself as a victim all the time. There was nothing bad in my first post, hence your craving of attention.

So either you learn to be happy within yourself and stop feigning being a victim, or your simply ignore my posts. As I am not going to ignore poor posts that I see. I will reply and say why I see something as wrong. If you have issues with that. Then maybe you need to take a long hard look at yourself, why you are so angry at that. 

I am sure your life is not going to stop based on me replying to your posts. The fact you get angry when I pull up poor posts you make. Shows, its you that has the issues here.

You need to be told, you cannot always get your way. You clearly have high expectations in life and are high maintenance. As you never even consider that you maybe what is casuing your own unhappiness.

I want you to be happy, but if you are unhappy that I reply to you, then you only have yourself to blame. As you cannot dictate who posters can reply to and if you do not like me, well that is your issue, not mine.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 6:56 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why can't you just leave me alone? There are plenty of other people here for you to talk to and inform that their ideas are "poor". I'm sick and tired of your arrogance.


Let me lay this down for you in simple terms

This is a forum and on forums, people engage in debate.

If I see views which I disagree on or even agree on, I will reply.

That is the main reason people are on a debate forum, as they like to debate.

So clearly you have a problem with me.

I have bust ups with posters and move on, so why is it you cannot move on?

Because you hold a grudge

What does that say about you?

That you cannot find closure, in that you have to maintain animosity.

Again what does that say about you?

I have nothing against you or anyone else here. I may get annoyed at times and my passions run away with me, but maybe you can tell me what on earth was wrong with my first reply to you on this post. That has made you so childish in your replies here?

I mean its a complete lie that you are sick and tired of me. If you were. You would simple never bother replying to you. Which says to me, you have a need. A need to of wanting attention. You want people to feel sorry for you and place yourself as a victim all the time. There was nothing bad in my first post, hence your craving of attention.

So either you learn to be happy within yourself and stop feigning being a victim, or your simply ignore my posts. As I am not going to ignore poor posts that I see. I will reply and say why I see something as wrong. If you have issues with that. Then maybe you need to take a long hard look at yourself, why you are so angry at that. 

I am sure your life is not going to stop based on me replying to your posts. The fact you get angry when I pull up poor posts you make. Shows, its you that has the issues here.

You need to be told, you cannot always get your way. You clearly have high expectations in life and are high maintenance. As you never even consider that you maybe what is casuing your own unhappiness.

I want you to be happy, but if you are unhappy that I reply to you, then you only have yourself to blame. As you cannot dictate who posters can reply to and if you do not like me, well that is your issue, not mine.

Do you pester women in real life too Didge? Do you harass them even when they ask you to leave them alone? You're really no better than these men who have been accused. You need to learn when to step away and give up hassling someone.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:00 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:


Let me lay this down for you in simple terms

This is a forum and on forums, people engage in debate.

If I see views which I disagree on or even agree on, I will reply.

That is the main reason people are on a debate forum, as they like to debate.

So clearly you have a problem with me.

I have bust ups with posters and move on, so why is it you cannot move on?

Because you hold a grudge

What does that say about you?

That you cannot find closure, in that you have to maintain animosity.

Again what does that say about you?

I have nothing against you or anyone else here. I may get annoyed at times and my passions run away with me, but maybe you can tell me what on earth was wrong with my first reply to you on this post. That has made you so childish in your replies here?

I mean its a complete lie that you are sick and tired of me. If you were. You would simple never bother replying to you. Which says to me, you have a need. A need to of wanting attention. You want people to feel sorry for you and place yourself as a victim all the time. There was nothing bad in my first post, hence your craving of attention.

So either you learn to be happy within yourself and stop feigning being a victim, or your simply ignore my posts. As I am not going to ignore poor posts that I see. I will reply and say why I see something as wrong. If you have issues with that. Then maybe you need to take a long hard look at yourself, why you are so angry at that. 

I am sure your life is not going to stop based on me replying to your posts. The fact you get angry when I pull up poor posts you make. Shows, its you that has the issues here.

You need to be told, you cannot always get your way. You clearly have high expectations in life and are high maintenance. As you never even consider that you maybe what is casuing your own unhappiness.

I want you to be happy, but if you are unhappy that I reply to you, then you only have yourself to blame. As you cannot dictate who posters can reply to and if you do not like me, well that is your issue, not mine.

Do you pester women in real life too Didge? Do you harass them even when they ask you to leave them alone? You're really no better than these men who have been accused. You need to learn when to step away and give up hassling someone.


How is it a case of pestering, on a forum, where you continually reply?

Are you seriously suggesting, that me offering views and facts is now some sort of harrasment?

I seriously think you need to learn to be happy within yourself.

I mean look at how low you stoop and compare me to people who sexually abuse.

Off a post I made that rubbished your claims.

All that says to me, is you do not like people explaing to you, why you can at times be wrong.

Again that issue is within yourself rags

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:02 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Do you pester women in real life too Didge? Do you harass them even when they ask you to leave them alone? You're really no better than these men who have been accused. You need to learn when to step away and give up hassling someone.


How is it a case of pestering, on a forum, where you continually reply?

Are you seriously suggesting, that me offering views and facts is now some sort of harrasment?

I seriously think you need to learn to be happy within yourself.

I mean look at how low you stoop and compare me to people who sexually abuse.

Off a post I made that rubbished your claims.

All that says to me, is you do not like people explaing to you, why you can at times be wrong.

Again that issue is within yourself rags

Yes, you're harassing me. I've asked you to leave me alone, and you refuse to do so. I'm perfectly happy, but you have ruined this forum IMO, all because you have a compulsion to harass and annoy women.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:06 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:


How is it a case of pestering, on a forum, where you continually reply?

Are you seriously suggesting, that me offering views and facts is now some sort of harrasment?

I seriously think you need to learn to be happy within yourself.

I mean look at how low you stoop and compare me to people who sexually abuse.

Off a post I made that rubbished your claims.

All that says to me, is you do not like people explaing to you, why you can at times be wrong.

Again that issue is within yourself rags

Yes, you're harassing me. I've asked you to leave me alone, and you refuse to do so. I'm perfectly happy, but you have ruined this forum IMO, all because you have a compulsion to harass and annoy women.


Here we go again, like those who fasely claim victim status on abuse.
Simple in order to get people in trouble.
You do realize that is against the rules?

So why have you not reported me then Rags?

If you have not reported me Rags, then you are breaking a rule.

You do realize that, do you not?

I will reply to any post on this forum

Now explain to me what so bad about my first post to you, that had you end up acting like a toddler?

So you think I have ruined a forum, which is active every day.

Clearly the sour grapes you have are only based on the fact you are a massive grumpus.

Cool

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Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:08 pm

Women all over the UK are praising Jo Brand for this. She is spot on.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:09 pm

Didge wrote:
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Yes, you're harassing me. I've asked you to leave me alone, and you refuse to do so. I'm perfectly happy, but you have ruined this forum IMO, all because you have a compulsion to harass and annoy women.


Here we go again, like those who fasely claim victim status on abuse.
Simple in order to get people in trouble.
You do realize that is against the rules?

So why have you not reported me then Rags?

If you have not reported me Rags, then you are breaking a rule.

You do realize that, do you not?

I will reply to any post on this forum

Now explain to me what so bad about my first post to you, that had you end up acting like a toddler?

So you think I have ruined a forum, which is active every day.

Clearly the sour grapes you have are only based on the fact you are a massive grumpus.

Cool

Why do you keep harassing me Didge? Is it too difficult for you to leave one person on this forum alone?

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Didge wrote:


Here we go again, like those who fasely claim victim status on abuse.
Simple in order to get people in trouble.
You do realize that is against the rules?

So why have you not reported me then Rags?

If you have not reported me Rags, then you are breaking a rule.

You do realize that, do you not?

I will reply to any post on this forum

Now explain to me what so bad about my first post to you, that had you end up acting like a toddler?

So you think I have ruined a forum, which is active every day.

Clearly the sour grapes you have are only based on the fact you are a massive grumpus.

Cool

Why do you keep harassing me Didge? Is it too difficult for you to leave one person on this forum alone?


I am replying to you posts to me Rags

Explaining to you, why i think your views are wrong

If you do not like my replies, why on earth are you then continuing to engage in this debate with me.??

Like I said, you have a massive need of attention.

Have I made your day?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:14 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why do you keep harassing me Didge? Is it too difficult for you to leave one person on this forum alone?


I am replying to you posts to me Rags

Explaining to you, why i think your views are wrong

If you do not like my replies, why on earth are you then continuing to engage in this debate with me.??

Like I said, you have a massive need of attention.

Have I made your day?

I've asked you to leave me alone, so let's see if you can ignore this post and resist replying to it.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:16 pm

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I am replying to you posts to me Rags

Explaining to you, why i think your views are wrong

If you do not like my replies, why on earth are you then continuing to engage in this debate with me.??

Like I said, you have a massive need of attention.

Have I made your day?

I've asked you to leave me alone, so let's see if you can ignore this post and resist replying to it.


I told you, I will reply to any post.

You need to understand this.


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Post by Syl on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:17 pm

sassy wrote:Women all over the UK are praising Jo Brand for this.   She is spot on.


She is right....so why don't women stand together and deal with these small annoyances as and when instead of letting them fester for years then involving the already overworked drastically cut police force.
Women DO have a voice nowadays, they don't have to tremble in the corner feeling all traumatised when its a simple case of being pestered for a date or similar.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:23 pm

Didge wrote:
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I've asked you to leave me alone, so let's see if you can ignore this post and resist replying to it.


I told you, I will reply to any post.

You need to understand this.


So you couldn't resist. You need to understand that not everyone will think you're as wonderful as you seem to think you are, and not everyone is impressed with your behaviour. You're coming over as a stalker.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:29 pm

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I told you, I will reply to any post.

You need to understand this.


So you couldn't resist. You need to understand that not everyone will think you're as wonderful as you seem to think you are, and not everyone is impressed with your behaviour. You're coming over as a stalker.


I dont think I am wonderful.
Never claimed to be.

I am interested how you think replying to a poor post you made, makes you think, that I think I am wonderful?

If you think that, again massive signs of insecurity and a massive view of jealousy.

I am just human, full of faults, that i constantly try to work on.

Maybe you should try looking at yourself the same way.

I know people are not impressed when I act poorly. I even know when sometimes I do and I will always apologize. Its what makes us all human. Though, here, I never did do anything wrong. All I did was reply to your poor conceived views.  Yet you took the opportunity to go off this, to misdirect from your poor post.

Like I say. You yearn and crave attention, which is very evident. From someone who claims to not want to have anything to do with me and constantly replies to numereous posts I have made to you. It shows you really just simple do not like people challenging your views

That is the real issue here.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 7:37 pm

Didge wrote:
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So you couldn't resist. You need to understand that not everyone will think you're as wonderful as you seem to think you are, and not everyone is impressed with your behaviour. You're coming over as a stalker.


I dont think I am wonderful.
Never claimed to be.

I am interested how you think replying to a poor post you made, makes you think, that I think I am wonderful?

If you think that, again massive signs of insecurity and a massive view of jealousy.

I am just human, full of faults, that i constantly try to work on.

Maybe you should try looking at yourself the same way.

I know people are not impressed when I act poorly. I even know when sometimes I do and I will always apologize. Its what makes us all human. Though, here, I never did do anything wrong. All I did was reply to your poor conceived views.  Yet you took the opportunity to go off this, to misdirect from your poor post.

Like I say. You yearn and crave attention, which is very evident. From someone who claims to not want to have anything to do with me and constantly replies to numereous posts I have made to you. It shows you really just simple do not like people challenging your views

That is the real issue here.

You either think you're wonderful, or you know that you're not, so that you try to convince others that you are. You need to give that up Didge. You're the one who feels the need to reply to all posts on this forum and disagree with whoever makes them. It's absolutely clear that you have no opinions either way, you just want to create an argument by disagreeing with everyone, unless it's someone who's sucking up to you of course and pandering to your inadequacy. You only ever apologise when you fear being banned.

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I dont think I am wonderful.
Never claimed to be.

I am interested how you think replying to a poor post you made, makes you think, that I think I am wonderful?

If you think that, again massive signs of insecurity and a massive view of jealousy.

I am just human, full of faults, that i constantly try to work on.

Maybe you should try looking at yourself the same way.

I know people are not impressed when I act poorly. I even know when sometimes I do and I will always apologize. Its what makes us all human. Though, here, I never did do anything wrong. All I did was reply to your poor conceived views.  Yet you took the opportunity to go off this, to misdirect from your poor post.

Like I say. You yearn and crave attention, which is very evident. From someone who claims to not want to have anything to do with me and constantly replies to numereous posts I have made to you. It shows you really just simple do not like people challenging your views

That is the real issue here.

You either think you're wonderful, or you know that you're not, so that you try to convince others that you are. You need to give that up Didge. You're the one who feels the need to reply to all posts on this forum and disagree with whoever makes them. It's absolutely clear that you have no opinions either way, you just want to create an argument by disagreeing with everyone, unless it's someone who's sucking up to you of course and pandering to your inadequacy. You only ever apologise when you fear being banned.  


I just said, I do not think I am wonderful.
Do you need to go to specsavers?

I just think I am human.

So if i do not think I am wonderful or need others to think so, why would you think that I would do so?

There is a simple answer to this, its because your mindset is the one that needs attention and people to think you are wonderful. Hence you are high maintenance.

I do love replying to poor posts. I admit, I get a thrill out of debate. Its enjoyable and why I think many of us are here.

I dont fear anything and all the mods will tell you, I more than anyone speak my mind. They know I am fearless.

I apologise, as I know I have done something wrong and many here can testify to tbhis.

All people can see, its you that is having a tantrum over me pulling you up over the poor views you made

You did not like that and decided to try at your hardest to get me angry and be abusive.

So far, your attempts are as poor as your ability to construct an intelligent response.

Anything else i can help you with?

Seems no mod is sharing your view of being harassed.

Has it something to do with the fact, they know you are fake Rags?

Cool

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Post by Vintage on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:07 pm

Didge, I have to agree with Rags, you've been told many times its not the replying to points that are the problem - its the way you come over as arrogant and condescending. Its been this way on all the forums I'vemet you on. The problem is you continually attack the poster, you casually question the intellectual capacity of posters, you try to lecture others as if you know better, in a particularly condesending way, if you have a valid point and disagree, fine but you can't resist a dig at the poster, this spoils a good debate it does not enhance it, you are not fearless, you are conceited in your replies, as many people on other forums would attest to. You can do better - This I know for sure.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:11 pm

Vintage wrote:Didge, I have to agree with Rags, you've been told many times its not the replying to points that are the problem - its the way you come over as arrogant and condescending. Its been this way on all the forums I'vemet you on. The problem is you continually attack the poster, you casually question the intellectual capacity of posters, you try to lecture others as if you know better, in a particularly condesending way, if you have a valid point and disagree, fine but you can't resist a dig at the poster, this spoils a good debate it does not enhance it, you are not fearless, you are conceited in your replies, as many people on other forums would attest to. You can do better - This I know for sure.


Okay, so show me where i attacked Rags in my first reply to her?

So you think its wrong to correct people if they could be possible wrong?

How is that arrogant, if they may actually be wrong?

So I am all ears to how you think this post was condesending.

Here it is, so will you have the ability to admit you were wrong here?

Lets see

Great post by Sly, but you are missing the point.

The reality is whether people would have been believed at the time or how women in many cases did not think such harrassment would have been taken seriously at the time. So its easy to understand why many did not report.

The reality is 30/40 years ago women did fear speaking out about such harrasement and abuse. I guess some of this had to do with a fear of losing their jobs. That they would not believed and that by speaking out and not believed they would lose any chance within that field of employment. Thankfully things have changed.

So its poor of you to just knock some who could be genuine in their claims.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:23 pm

I never knew some posters had turned into such snowflakes, that they need safe spaces away from me challenging their views.

I have to say, that makes me laugh.

It makes me laugh, I did nothing wrong here and Vintage weighs in on things I have done before and do not disagree when i have said things wrong. Though come on, how much of a snowflake is Vintage being?

That I should not sometimes take the mick by being condescending, when people make bad points?

What a snowflake and I never even did this here.

Maybe Ben should create a safe space for these snowflakes.

ha ha

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Post by Vintage on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:26 pm

Come off it Didge, you know what you are up to. The shame is you are capable of very good debates, even we've had a few over the years, yet you seemingly can't resist having a go at the poster and their intelligence, whether they have low, average or high is not the subject of debate only the points made, now come on, if you can't discuss things without having a go at the poster personaly, I feel sorry for you. You don't win points or credit by trying to make out other people are stupid in points they make.
Didge, that's the point, you don't just challenge other posters views do you?

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:31 pm

Vintage wrote:Come off it Didge, you know what you are up to. The shame is you are capable of very good debates, even we've had a few over the years, yet you seemingly can't resist having a go at the poster and their intelligence, whether they have low, average or high is not the subject of debate only the points made, now come on, if you can't discuss things without having a go at the poster personaly, I feel sorry for you. You don't win points or credit by trying to make out other people are stupid in points they make.
Didge, that's the point, you don't just challenge other posters views do you?

So you are unable to point out a single thing wrong in my first post and you are the one making poor assumptions?

Is that not arrogance from yourself?

Show me again what i said, that was having a go at Rags in my first post?

Then secondly, tell me what is wrong with constructive citicism?

Seems to me, you are being a right snowflake Vintage.

If you feel sorry for me Vintage, that is up to you. I am not going to lose any sleep over someone who weighs in and has made themselves look very silly here, as you have

Now last chance

Show me how I was attacking rags, and arrogant in my first post to her?

If not, then you owe me an apology

Lets see if you can

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:52 pm

Now i am going to be arrogant

I knew Vintage was taking crap in this situation

She weighed in and got burnt only reading some replies and never the first one.

Nows she feels very silly.

Now i learn from my mistakes, but will Vintage?

What is worse is how two people I enjoy debating with, made this about me and not the actual article.

So now i will be arrogant and say.

What a pair of cardboard cutouts.

In other words, look before you leap.

Still waiting for you to point out your claims Vintage to your claims on my first post?

Or are you too arrogant and stubborn that you might be wrong?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:53 pm

Vintage wrote:Didge, I have to agree with Rags, you've been told many times its not the replying to points that are the problem - its the way you come over as arrogant and condescending. Its been this way on all the forums I'vemet you on. The problem is you continually attack the poster, you casually question the intellectual capacity of posters, you try to lecture others as if you know better, in a particularly condesending way, if you have a valid point and disagree, fine but you can't resist a dig at the poster, this spoils a good debate it does not enhance it, you are not fearless, you are conceited in your replies, as many people on other forums would attest to. You can do better - This I know for sure.

Exactly. If others don't mind, that's up to them, and he can talk to them. I don't like it, but he refuses to leave me alone. Evil or Very Mad

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 8:57 pm

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Vintage wrote:Didge, I have to agree with Rags, you've been told many times its not the replying to points that are the problem - its the way you come over as arrogant and condescending. Its been this way on all the forums I'vemet you on. The problem is you continually attack the poster, you casually question the intellectual capacity of posters, you try to lecture others as if you know better, in a particularly condesending way, if you have a valid point and disagree, fine but you can't resist a dig at the poster, this spoils a good debate it does not enhance it, you are not fearless, you are conceited in your replies, as many people on other forums would attest to. You can do better - This I know for sure.

Exactly. If others don't mind, that's up to them, and he can talk to them. I don't like it, but he refuses to leave me alone. Evil or Very Mad


You do not like it?

Hence if others do not, then you are the one with the issue.

You need to get over your grudges Rags

Why be on a forum if you get bothered at people questioning your views?

I will tell you why?

For one, you cannot and even contemplate you being wrong.

Second, you crave attention, as you are now sucking up with Vintage

Lets face facts, what was wrong with my first post to you?

You have the platform, can you say and reason what was wrong with it?

You created this shit storm and I think you love it

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:02 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly. If others don't mind, that's up to them, and he can talk to them. I don't like it, but he refuses to leave me alone. Evil or Very Mad


You do not like it?

Hence if others do not, then you are the one with the issue.

You need to get over your grudges Rags

Why be on a forum if you get bothered at people questioning your views?

I will tell you why?

For one, you cannot and even contemplate you being wrong.

Second, you crave attention, as you are now sucking up with Vintage

Lets face facts, what was wrong with my first post to you?

You have the platform, can you say and reason what was wrong with it?

You created this shit storm and I think you love it

Why do you want to spoil my enjoyment of this forum? Why is it too much for you to simply leave me alone? I just want to be able to post without you jumping in every ten seconds to tell me my views are "poor", or how you know much better than anyone else. Why can't you just do that to others and leave me alone??????

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:08 pm

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You do not like it?

Hence if others do not, then you are the one with the issue.

You need to get over your grudges Rags

Why be on a forum if you get bothered at people questioning your views?

I will tell you why?

For one, you cannot and even contemplate you being wrong.

Second, you crave attention, as you are now sucking up with Vintage

Lets face facts, what was wrong with my first post to you?

You have the platform, can you say and reason what was wrong with it?

You created this shit storm and I think you love it

Why do you want to spoil my enjoyment of this forum? Why is it too much for you to simply leave me alone? I just want to be able to post without you jumping in every ten seconds to tell me my views are "poor", or how you know much better than anyone else. Why can't you just do that to others and leave me alone??????

I am not here to make you happy

I am here to debate

So if you want me to leave you alobe, why on earth do you constantly reply to me Rags?

That speaks volumes that you crave attention

You cannot even think for one second that you are the problem here
I mean, can you imagine a forum where when anyone had a tantrum as you are doing now. That they claimed to feel uncomfortable. That they then use this to get out of answering reasoned points made to them?

You have an itch when you have debated me, Quill and others. You never give up and this proves by your replies that you do not. That shows this is premeditated by you to gain sympathy, playing the victim card.

So why is it, if you think I am wrong, you cannot actually challenge those reasoned views?

I will tell you

You invent fake victimhood. In order to get out of answering

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:10 pm

Didge wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why do you want to spoil my enjoyment of this forum? Why is it too much for you to simply leave me alone? I just want to be able to post without you jumping in every ten seconds to tell me my views are "poor", or how you know much better than anyone else. Why can't you just do that to others and leave me alone??????

I am not here to make you happy

I am here to debate

So if you want me to leave you alobe, why on earth do you constantly reply to me Rags?

That speaks volumes that you crave attention

You cannot even think for one second that you are the problem here
I mean, can you imagine a forum where when anyone had a tantrum as you are doing now. That they claimed to feel uncomfortable. That they then use this to get out of answering reasoned points made to them?

You have an itch when you have debated me, Quill and others. You never give up and this proves by your replies that you do not. That shows this is premeditated by you to gain sympathy, playing the victim card.

So why is it, if you think I am wrong, you cannot actually challenge those reasoned views?

I will tell you

You invent fake victimhood. In order to get out of answering

You're just a creepy, pervy stalker really.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:13 pm

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I am not here to make you happy

I am here to debate

So if you want me to leave you alobe, why on earth do you constantly reply to me Rags?

That speaks volumes that you crave attention

You cannot even think for one second that you are the problem here
I mean, can you imagine a forum where when anyone had a tantrum as you are doing now. That they claimed to feel uncomfortable. That they then use this to get out of answering reasoned points made to them?

You have an itch when you have debated me, Quill and others. You never give up and this proves by your replies that you do not. That shows this is premeditated by you to gain sympathy, playing the victim card.

So why is it, if you think I am wrong, you cannot actually challenge those reasoned views?

I will tell you

You invent fake victimhood. In order to get out of answering

You're just a creepy, pervy stalker really.

If that is your fantasy about me. Who am I to spoil your drama's.??

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:17 pm

sassy wrote:What about Vaz?   Should have been chucked out years ago, like Simon Danczuk was, the people keeping him in are the RW of the Labour Party, and that will change soon.   At least we didn't have a Whips Office collecting information to keep people in line.

Yes Vaz is utterly odious and should have been thrown out of office ages ago.
But this thread is about sexual harassment specifically, which isn't vaz's crimes.


But if we are going down the 'whataboutery'  route  --- quick story
Just today we were chatting about a horrible tory woman MP, called Priti Patel, very much a hard right tory, who generously pays her own husband £25K p.a.  of taxpaxer's money for ahem ... secretarial duties.. (probably for doing eff all, really, just easy pocket money for him). This husband also holds down THREE other lucrative jobs!!!!!
Priti also sneaked off to Israel on a supposedly private trip but conducted plenty of secretive official business there and the libdems are calling for her sacking.
Nepotism, greed, sharp practices and breech of ministerial code. Poor show, Miss Priti.

Yep, they're all at it!


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So this is not about victims of sexual abuse, but about politics.

Judging by Jules reply

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:22 pm

Didge wrote:So this is not about victims of sexual abuse, but about politics.

Judging by Jules reply

That's what I just said! 
I reminded them that it was about sex abuse, not politics generally.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:28 pm

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Didge wrote:So this is not about victims of sexual abuse, but about politics.

Judging by Jules reply

That's what I just said! 
I reminded them that it was about sex abuse, not politics generally.

Okay, so why only mention Tory suspected abusers?

Do you need me to remind me of your words?

"Hard right Tory"

On pay and not sexual abuse, as if this sexual abuse was ingrained within Conservatism.

So what was your point on a Tory MP who is British and ethnically Indian?

You do this off claims made on her in the press on unnoffical meetings with Israel

So you have condemned her, casting her as horrible.

based on what criminal charge with sexual abuse?



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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:30 pm

sassy wrote:Women all over the UK are praising Jo Brand for this.   She is spot on.



Wonderful!!!!!  clappy
The cumulative effect on the victim is very rarely taken into account.
If someone reacts strongly to something (& i'm not just talking about sexual harassment) it never occurs to other people that the person might have had a bad day or even a bad week. People consider the person to be overreacting cos they just think about the here&now.

Well said, Jo. I've always liked her wisdom.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:33 pm

Jules wrote:
sassy wrote:Women all over the UK are praising Jo Brand for this.   She is spot on.



Wonderful!!!!!  clappy
The cumulative effect on the victim is very rarely taken into account.
If someone reacts strongly to something (& i'm not just talking about sexual harassment) it never occurs to other people that the person might have had a bad day or even a bad week. People consider the person to be overreacting cos they just think about the here&now.

Well said, Jo. I've always liked her wisdom.

How about when men are the victim of such abuse?

They generally are the silent victims more than women

So what she said was sexist and crap

She never spared one moment what men go through with this.


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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:37 pm

Didge wrote:
Jules wrote:

That's what I just said! 
I reminded them that it was about sex abuse, not politics generally.

Okay, so why only mention Tory suspected abusers?

Do you need me to remind me of your words?

"Hard right Tory"

On pay and not sexual abuse, as if this sexual abuse was ingrained within Conservatism.

So what was your point on a Tory MP who is British and ethnically Indian?

You do this off claims made on her in the press on unnoffical meetings with Israel

So you have condemned her, casting her as horrible.

based on what criminal charge with sexual abuse?



What on EARTH are you on about?? Shocked
That was a quick offtopic story I posted purely for sassy's benefit. so Forget that story completely,
Let's just move on quickly.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:38 pm

Thanks for the red Jules

Its emphatically makes my point

Snowflakes never care what happens when it is men

Its wrong when it happens to women.

That means its also wrong when it happens to men, but men more so fear to speak out on this.

Hence why I hate, that lefties make this political and are in fact sexist. When they are born from the left.

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:41 pm

Didge wrote:
Jules wrote:


Wonderful!!!!!  clappy
The cumulative effect on the victim is very rarely taken into account.
If someone reacts strongly to something (& i'm not just talking about sexual harassment) it never occurs to other people that the person might have had a bad day or even a bad week. People consider the person to be overreacting cos they just think about the here&now.

Well said, Jo. I've always liked her wisdom.

How about when men are the victim of such abuse?

They generally are the silent victims more than women

So what she said was sexist and crap

She never spared one moment what men go through with this.



Didge you have no idea how amusing you are.

I criticised someone who fully deserved it, for multiple crimes and you went mad.
Then I praised someone who fully deserved it for being so insightful and you went mad again.
I give up!! Razz


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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:42 pm

Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:

Okay, so why only mention Tory suspected abusers?

Do you need me to remind me of your words?

"Hard right Tory"

On pay and not sexual abuse, as if this sexual abuse was ingrained within Conservatism.

So what was your point on a Tory MP who is British and ethnically Indian?

You do this off claims made on her in the press on unnoffical meetings with Israel

So you have condemned her, casting her as horrible.

based on what criminal charge with sexual abuse?



What on EARTH are you on about??   Shocked        
That was a quick offtopic story I posted purely for sassy's benefit.  so Forget that story completely,
Let's just move on quickly.

Why move on

You attacked an ethnically British Indian MP, simple because she was Indian and clearly under the view, that you must be racist and that she is controlled by her husband. Simply based off claims she is had meetings with Israeli's and is Tory.

So why did you bring her up, unless you inherantly view ethnically Indian people a certain way?

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:43 pm

Didge wrote:Thanks for the red Jules


Calm down I have never given anyone a red in my life. You can check my stats for yourself.
I'm not into all that shit.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:44 pm

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How about when men are the victim of such abuse?

They generally are the silent victims more than women

So what she said was sexist and crap

She never spared one moment what men go through with this.



Didge you have no idea how amusing you are.

I criticised someone who fully deserved it, for multiple crimes and you went mad.
Then I praised someone who fully deserved it for being so insightful and you went mad again.
I give up!!  Razz


Crimes?

What convicted crimes?

You went off claims, to an ethnically British indian MP on a thread around sexual abuse by MP's.

I would loove to hear your explanation, this is not about politics and actually about the victims here?

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:46 pm

Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:Thanks for the red Jules


Calm down I have never given anyone a red in my life. You can check my stats for yourself.
I'm not into all that shit.

My mistake Jules

Apologies

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:48 pm

Didge wrote:
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What on EARTH are you on about??   Shocked        
That was a quick offtopic story I posted purely for sassy's benefit.  so Forget that story completely,
Let's just move on quickly.

Why move on

You attacked an ethnically British Indian MP, simple because she was Indian and clearly under the view, that you must be racist and that she is controlled by her husband. Simply based off claims she is had meetings with Israeli's and is Tory.

So why did you bring her up, unless you inherantly view ethnically Indian people a certain way?

What the flying fuck????? Shocked Shocked
Didge I never mentioned ONE SINGLE WORD about her ethnicity! Why would I?? Why would I care about her ethnicity! Read back!
I only posted her name cos of course you'd say the name of the MP whom you are referring to.

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Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:50 pm

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Why move on

You attacked an ethnically British Indian MP, simple because she was Indian and clearly under the view, that you must be racist and that she is controlled by her husband. Simply based off claims she is had meetings with Israeli's and is Tory.

So why did you bring her up, unless you inherantly view ethnically Indian people a certain way?

What the flying fuck?????  Shocked  Shocked
Didge I never mentioned ONE SINGLE WORD about her ethnicity! Why would I?? Why would I care about her ethnicity! Read back!
I only posted her name cos of course you'd say the name of the MP whom you are referring to.

Well you brought up she is Conservative and on a thread about abuse

I am making a point here.

What relevance does the claim with her on Israel have here?

Or what she pays her husband?

As you claimed

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Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:51 pm

Totally bogus accusation, Didge! I never mentioned ethnicity.

If you don't apologise for your error you will become the first person whom I will ever report via the report button. Rolling Eyes

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