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Post by sassy on Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:40 pm

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Michael Fallon has resigned as Defence Secretary, saying his behaviour in the past may have "fallen short" in the wake of harassment allegations swirling around Westminster.



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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:53 pm

Jules wrote:Totally bogus accusation, Didge! I never mentioned ethnicity.

If you don't apologise for your error you will become the first person whom I will ever reported via the report button. Rolling Eyes

Avoiding the points

I will ask again

Well you brought up she is Conservative and on a thread about abuse

I am making a point here.

What relevance does the claim with her on Israel have here?

Or what she pays her husband?

As you claimed

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:54 pm

Jules wrote:
sassy wrote:What about Vaz?   Should have been chucked out years ago, like Simon Danczuk was, the people keeping him in are the RW of the Labour Party, and that will change soon.   At least we didn't have a Whips Office collecting information to keep people in line.

Yes Vaz is utterly odious and should have been thrown out of office ages ago.
But this thread is about sexual harassment specifically, which isn't vaz's crimes.


But if we are going down the 'whataboutery'  route  --- quick story
Just today we were chatting about a horrible tory woman MP, called Priti Patel, very much a hard right tory, who generously pays her own husband £25K p.a.  of taxpaxer's money for ahem ... secretarial duties.. (probably for doing eff all, really, just easy pocket money for him). This husband also holds down THREE other lucrative jobs!!!!!
Priti also sneaked off to Israel on a supposedly private trip but conducted plenty of secretive official business there and the libdems are calling for her sacking.
Nepotism, greed, sharp practices and breech of ministerial code. Poor show, Miss Priti.

Yep, they're all at it!

She's vile, she's the one who called the police on people disabled and in wheelchairs who were trying to talk to her at a hospital and said they were thugs. Revolting woman.

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:55 pm

Jules wrote:
sassy wrote:What about Vaz?   Should have been chucked out years ago, like Simon Danczuk was, the people keeping him in are the RW of the Labour Party, and that will change soon.   At least we didn't have a Whips Office collecting information to keep people in line.

Yes Vaz is utterly odious and should have been thrown out of office ages ago.
But this thread is about sexual harassment specifically, which isn't vaz's crimes.


But if we are going down the 'whataboutery'  route  --- quick story
Just today we were chatting about a horrible tory woman MP, called Priti Patel, very much a hard right tory, who generously pays her own husband £25K p.a.  of taxpaxer's money for ahem ... secretarial duties.. (probably for doing eff all, really, just easy pocket money for him). This husband also holds down THREE other lucrative jobs!!!!!
Priti also sneaked off to Israel on a supposedly private trip but conducted plenty of secretive official business there and the libdems are calling for her sacking.
Nepotism, greed, sharp practices and breech of ministerial code. Poor show, Miss Priti.

Yep, they're all at it!

Here is your post again Jules

Hence my questions

Well you brought up she is Conservative and on a thread about abuse

I am making a point here.

What relevance does the claim with her on Israel have here?

Or what she pays her husband?

As you claimed

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:01 pm

Jules wrote:
Didge wrote:

Why move on

You attacked an ethnically British Indian MP, simple because she was Indian and clearly under the view, that you must be racist and that she is controlled by her husband. Simply based off claims she is had meetings with Israeli's and is Tory.

So why did you bring her up, unless you inherantly view ethnically Indian people a certain way?

What the flying fuck?????  Shocked  Shocked
Didge I never mentioned ONE SINGLE WORD about her ethnicity! Why would I?? Why would I care about her ethnicity! Read back!
I only posted her name cos of course you'd say the name of the MP whom you are referring to.



Lol, do what I have, put him on ignore and remember is Saturday Night, he can't help it Rolling Eyes Wink

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:01 pm

sassy wrote:
Jules wrote:

Yes Vaz is utterly odious and should have been thrown out of office ages ago.
But this thread is about sexual harassment specifically, which isn't vaz's crimes.


But if we are going down the 'whataboutery'  route  --- quick story
Just today we were chatting about a horrible tory woman MP, called Priti Patel, very much a hard right tory, who generously pays her own husband £25K p.a.  of taxpaxer's money for ahem ... secretarial duties.. (probably for doing eff all, really, just easy pocket money for him). This husband also holds down THREE other lucrative jobs!!!!!
Priti also sneaked off to Israel on a supposedly private trip but conducted plenty of secretive official business there and the libdems are calling for her sacking.
Nepotism, greed, sharp practices and breech of ministerial code. Poor show, Miss Priti.

Yep, they're all at it!

She's vile, she's the one who called the police on people disabled and in wheelchairs who were trying to talk to her at a hospital and said they were thugs.  Revolting woman.

So this is about Politics and not the victims, like I said.

Nice twist on words

So you are saying threats should not be taken seriously?

Even though most that protested were not disabled?

Even if someone who was disabled threated her. Are you saying we should change the laws to make allowances for this sassy?

That we should not treat those disabled equally un der the law?

Take your time on that

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Jules on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:14 pm

sassy wrote:
Jules wrote:

What the flying fuck?????  Shocked  Shocked
Didge I never mentioned ONE SINGLE WORD about her ethnicity! Why would I?? Why would I care about her ethnicity! Read back!
I only posted her name cos of course you'd say the name of the MP whom you are referring to.



Lol, do what I have, put him on ignore and remember is Saturday Night, he can't help it Rolling Eyes Wink


Tbh Didge is in a REALLY  funny mood tonight, and that is saying something!!  Shocked


Anyhow, moving on, yes this tory MP woman is beyond VILE.

As an extreme rightwinger she is a keen supporter of austerity measures for impoverished people, yet she has the BRAZEN NERVE to generously give a whopping £25,000 pa to her husband, for nothing.
The husband already has 3 well paid full time jobs!!

She also shamelessly lobbies for unethical products, just for financial gain
and then she quietly sneaked off to Israel, accompanied by tory donors, to meet several political figures without the courtesy to inform the PM first, which breaks all the rules.

The only good thing is that nepotism is now banned  and new MP's cannot employ their own spouses as secretaries, cos to me it just represents free pocket money.
Goodnight sassy. x


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Post by sassy on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:16 pm

Night Jules.

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Didge on Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:17 pm

Jules wrote:
sassy wrote:



Lol, do what I have, put him on ignore and remember is Saturday Night, he can't help it Rolling Eyes Wink


Tbh Didge is in a REALLY  funny mood tonight, and that is saying something!!  Shocked


Anyhow, moving on, ses this tory MP woman is beyond VILE.

As an extreme rightwinger she is a keen supporter of austerity measures for impoverished people, yet the she has the BRAZEN NERVE to generously give a whopping £25,000 pa to her husband, for nothing.
The husband already has 3 well paid full time jobs!!

She also shamelessly lobbies for unethical products, just for financial gain
and then she quietly sneaked off to Israel, accompanied by tory donors, to meet several political figures without the courtesy to inform the PM first, which breaks all the rules.

The only good thing is that nepotism is now banned  and new MP's cannot employ their own spouses as secretaries, cos to me it just represents free pocket money.
Goodnight sassy. x


Proves my point in how this has nothing to do with the victims here but political point scoring.

Astounding that an MP can pay her husband that much money for nothing and not a word of criminality from the press or the Police

Some people are clearly sheep

Baaa

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:27 am

Syl wrote:Thanks Didge.

I think its been proven that decades ago sexual abuse was seldom reported for the reasons you give, and even when it was reported it was mostly ignored, in the workplace women especially had little backup.

When the Saville scandal broke and many people had the courage finally to speak out and be heard, the term 'historic sexual abuse' seemed to be everywhere ....at last those people were being heard.

Unfortunately some men were falsely accused, or the accusations were so pathetic police time was wasted in investigating, and reputations were ruined.

I believe this is happening again,  regarding both  the politicians here and following  the Weinstein scandal in the states.
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I think there is a distinction to be drawn here...


Some things happened/happen and have complaints made/are reported etc, (RE Saville and also Pakistani moslem gangs of child rapists being another prime example), and are actively covered up by others with power/authority etc...


Some things happened/happen but no complaints made/not reported at the time... although these things may be raised as complaints/reported to authorities at a later date, the people being accused are innocent until proven guilty, and there is no case without any evidence...


Some things never happened at all... but currently, a good way to destroy someones reputation/career is to throw a made up allegation against them for some sort of sexual misconduct...!



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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 05, 2017 12:42 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:Thanks Didge.

I think its been proven that decades ago sexual abuse was seldom reported for the reasons you give, and even when it was reported it was mostly ignored, in the workplace women especially had little backup.

When the Saville scandal broke and many people had the courage finally to speak out and be heard, the term 'historic sexual abuse' seemed to be everywhere ....at last those people were being heard.

Unfortunately some men were falsely accused, or the accusations were so pathetic police time was wasted in investigating, and reputations were ruined.

I believe this is happening again,  regarding both  the politicians here and following  the Weinstein scandal in the states.
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I think there is a distinction to be drawn here...


Some things happened/happen and have complaints made/are reported etc, (RE Saville and also Pakistani moslem gangs of child rapists being another prime example), and are actively covered up by others with power/authority etc...


Some things happened/happen but no complaints made/not reported at the time... although these things may be raised as complaints/reported to authorities at a later date, the people being accused are innocent until proven guilty, and there is no case without any evidence...


Some things never happened at all... but currently, a good way to destroy someones reputation/career is to throw a made up allegation against them for some sort of sexual misconduct...!



I agree.
Saville and the BBC powers that be, the Pakistani gangs, powerful  politicians like Cyril Smith and Ted Heath, were all covered up, no doubt about that....and thats still going on today.

Abuse that was reported and discounted, not reported at the time, or is being reported now years later,  even if no charges are brought,  people are being named, Cliff Richards is one example,  his accusers remain anonymous, his reputation was tarnished terribly.

Innocent till proven guilty? not once the press get hold of it....which makes your last sentence spot on.

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Re: Michael Fallon resigns as Defence Secretary after saying past behaviour may have 'fallen short'

Post by Didge on Sun Nov 05, 2017 2:03 pm

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Let me lay this down for you in simple terms

This is a forum and on forums, people engage in debate.

If I see views which I disagree on or even agree on, I will reply.

That is the main reason people are on a debate forum, as they like to debate.

So clearly you have a problem with me.

I have bust ups with posters and move on, so why is it you cannot move on?

Because you hold a grudge

What does that say about you?

That you cannot find closure, in that you have to maintain animosity.

Again what does that say about you?

I have nothing against you or anyone else here. I may get annoyed at times and my passions run away with me, but maybe you can tell me what on earth was wrong with my first reply to you on this post. That has made you so childish in your replies here?

I mean its a complete lie that you are sick and tired of me. If you were. You would simple never bother replying to you. Which says to me, you have a need. A need to of wanting attention. You want people to feel sorry for you and place yourself as a victim all the time. There was nothing bad in my first post, hence your craving of attention.

So either you learn to be happy within yourself and stop feigning being a victim, or your simply ignore my posts. As I am not going to ignore poor posts that I see. I will reply and say why I see something as wrong. If you have issues with that. Then maybe you need to take a long hard look at yourself, why you are so angry at that. 

I am sure your life is not going to stop based on me replying to your posts. The fact you get angry when I pull up poor posts you make. Shows, its you that has the issues here.

You need to be told, you cannot always get your way. You clearly have high expectations in life and are high maintenance. As you never even consider that you maybe what is casuing your own unhappiness.

I want you to be happy, but if you are unhappy that I reply to you, then you only have yourself to blame. As you cannot dictate who posters can reply to and if you do not like me, well that is your issue, not mine.

Do you pester women in real life too Didge? Do you harass them even when they ask you to leave them alone? You're really no better than these men who have been accused. You need to learn when to step away and give up hassling someone.

Anything to say eddie?

Or are you proving how sexist you are?

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:10 pm

What's this got  to do with Eddie? scratch

edit...I just read a couple of other threads.....I get it now.

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