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The charges against Manafort and his former business associate are the first to come out of the probe of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election

Paul Manafort, U.S. Fake President Trump's former campaign manager, has been told to surrender to U.S. federal authorities, The New York Times reported on Monday.

The charges against Manafort and Rick Gates, Manafort's former business associate, are the first to come out of the probe of possible Russian meddling in the 2016 U.S. presidential election.

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 30, 2017 1:39 pm

Charged by the FBI for conspiring with Russia against the US, and Clinton.
Tantamount to treason.
The deck of cards has surely started to collapse.

http://news.sky.com/story/trump-ex-campaign-manager-told-to-surrender-to-fbi-us-reports-11105794

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Post by eddie on Mon Oct 30, 2017 2:54 pm

Sassy started a thread about this already.
I'll merge the two.

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:16 pm

Thsnks Eds. It makes grim reading. Who will blab first, to get a deal,? Manafort or Gates?
Either way, Chump is up to his neck in it.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:18 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Thsnks Eds. It makes grim reading. Who will blab first, to get a deal,? Manafort or Miles?
Either way, Chump is up to his neck in it.

Wait and see

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Angry Andy wrote:Thsnks Eds. It makes grim reading. Who will blab first, to get a deal,? Manafort or Gates?
Either way, Chump is up to his neck in it.

I bet Trump is trumping in his pants.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Oct 30, 2017 3:35 pm

Suspect

Trump has both his son-in-law, and maybe a son, stumblingmaround on very shaky ground, too...

It will be interesting to see how the Trumpster clan will try to slither out of some of their shadski connections, if they can..

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I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much

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On Monday, after a weekend of breathless waiting for the other shoe to drop, special counsel Robert Mueller filed charges against former Trump campaign manager Paul Manafort on a 12-count indictment including “conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, acting as an unregistered foreign agent,” and other financial transaction-related crimes.

The indictment says that Manafort funneled over $75 million through his offshore account, and essentially laundered over $18 million.

Here’s the good news for Trump: nothing in the indictment suggests collusion between Trump and the Russian government.

Here’s the bad news for Trump: Manafort was a horrible pick from the beginning for campaign manager, and that pick will smear mud on the Trump campaign even if Trump had nothing to do with Manafort’s illegal behavior.

The indictment centers almost entirely around Manafort’s alleged illegal lobbying and money laundering activities between 2006 and 2014, since Manafort’s money source was the Ukrainian Party of Regions, which dissolved in 2014 with the ouster of Viktor Yanukovych.

The indictment alleges that Manafort and Richard Gates III, his right hand, worked as “unregistered agents of the Government of Ukraine … generated tens of millions of dollars in income as a result of their Ukraine work.”

They then “laundered the money through scores of United States and foreign corporations, partnerships, and bank accounts.” Manafort and Gates didn’t register as foreign agents, which they apparently were.

And “Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States, without paying taxes on that income.”

The period of defrauding the government continued through 2017, according to the indictment: “Between in or around 2008 and 2017, both dates being approximate and inclusive … Manafort and Gates devised and intended to devise, and executed and attempted to execute, a scheme and artifice to defraud, and to obtain money and property by means of false and fraudulent pretenses, representations, and promises from the United States, bank, and other financial institutions.”

They allegedly wired millions through other companies for purposes of laundering through 2014. Manafort also bought properties with offshore money in order to take loans against the property to boost his lifestyle.

The charge of “conspiracy against the United States” isn’t a treason charge — it’s a financial charge based on defrauding the United States and covering it up through obstruction of justice.

The media are going to have a tough time linking Manafort to Trump and Trump to Russia thereby, at least from the charges in this indictment. There’s literally nothing about collusion; there’s literally nothing about Trump. This is about Manafort, which could suggest that Mueller wants to flip Manafort against Trump — or it could be that Manafort is going to go down for his alleged nefarious activities over the period of the last decade and a half.

But the Russian collusion narrative has not been forwarded by this indictment.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/22918/no-charges-trump-collusion-heres-what-you-need-ben-shapiro

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smelly-bandit wrote:I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much

Nah, Wolf and eds are right.  Trump is panicked at this point.

Trump knows Manafort because the two are co-money-launderers for the Russians.  These initial charges are for Manafort's independent money-laundering activities.  But if the Special Counsel is going to go after one money-launderer, why would he leave the chief money-launderer alone?  I mean, a Special Counsel didn't get appointed to go after ordinary criminals.  

Also, note the lingering charge in the indictment: "conspiracy against the United States".  The last big-time case for espionage was the Rosenbergs, and you know that history...also involved the Russians...tricky bastards, them tutu-dancers! Portends great possibilities down the road, eh?

These charges don't even raise the lingering charges associated with obstruction of justice re: email theft.  Trump aide George Papadopoulos has already pleaded guilty to that one:

Los Angeles Times wrote:A former foreign policy advisor to Donald Trump's presidential campaign has pleaded guilty to lying to the FBI about his contacts with Russians who claimed to have “thousands of emails” on Hillary Clinton, in the latest charges filed in the investigation of the Trump campaign's contacts with Russia. http://www.latimes.com/politics/washington/la-na-pol-essential-washington-updates-former-trump-campaign-aide-george-1509374196-htmlstory.html

Nor does the indictment address the meeting in Trump Tower on May 9, 2016, attended by Manafort, Donald Jr. and son-in-law Kushner.  Son and son-in-law...if that doesn't start the WH knees a-shakin', it's only because he's pissin' in his pants.

I'll bet Kushner gets served with divorce papers, and turns on his lyin' father-in-law.  Wink

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Mon Oct 30, 2017 5:03 pm

Actually, the bigger news today is the indictment of George Papadopoulos for lying to the FBI: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/10/george-papadopoulos/544346/

George told the FBI he'd met with some blowhard Russian professor well before he signed up to be a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign.

Turns out, he joined the campaign before he met the professor, and the professor is well-connected with Russian government officials, and there was mutual interest in hacking Hillary Clinton's emails.

Now that would be two conspiracies -- one, to commit wire fraud and two, to use the resources of a foreign (and hostile) government to influence the U.S. election.

If Trump knew, he could go down, too. But I'm sure he had no idea, of course ...



Finally, let's not downplay Manafort and Gates too awfully much, especially seeing as their crimes continued through 2016 (at least), meaning they were committing them while working for Trump (and in Manafort's case, actually living in Trump Tower).

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Oct 30, 2017 6:30 pm

Yes, I mentioned the George Papadopoulos indictment above.  But, as you said Ben, the connection cannot yet be made.  Probably, the indictment of George Papadopoulos  is for purposes of intimidation.  The charge of lying to a federal agent is usually used, when you know the witness is lying, to show you are serious and negotiate confessions of a greater sort.

Finally, indictments are usually itemized and singular and chronologically based.  They haven't gotten to the event of the May 9th meeting yet.  Though, this indictment indicates it's coming.

The crimes that aren't itemized and singular, are the conspiracy allegations.  They necessarily involve multiple acts...called overt acts in furthance.  Now you see my excitement over the conspiracy against the United States count.

This is going to end up as a huge RICO (racketeering) indictment.  That's a good thing, because there is a parallel New York 'mini-RICO' on the books, and Trump can't pardon state law.


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REPORT: Unnamed Company In Mueller Indictment Is Clinton-Connected Podesta Group

One of the two unnamed companies in the grand jury indictment of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort and his deputy, Rick Gates, is reportedly the Podesta Group — a lobbying firm with strong ties to Hillary Clinton.

The indictment, unsealed on Monday, lists two unnamed companies — “Company A” and “Company B” — as firms that Manafort and Gates approached in 2012 to lobby for the pro-Putin Ukrainian government. “Company A” is Mercury Public Affairs and “Company B” is the Podesta Group, NBC News reported.

The far-left Podesta Group was founded by Democratic lobbyist Tony Podesta, who is the brother of Hillary Clinton’s former campaign chairman John Podesta. The firm came under fire for not disclosing its work lobbying for the Ukrainian government under the Foreign Agents Registrant Act (FARA).

The indictment indicated that the Podesta Group and Mercury Public Affairs received $2 million from offshore accounts controlled by Manafort for their work lobbying members of Congress about Ukraine sanctions and the validity of Ukraine elections.

Tony Podesta stepped down from the Podesta Group on Monday, nearly 30 years after founding the firm.

“[Tony] was very magnanimous and said, ‘This is an amazing group of people’,” a source told Politico, speaking of Podesta’s remarks. “Podesta also told staff he ‘doesn’t intend to go quietly, or learn how to play golf.’ He said he ‘needs to fight this as an individual, but doesn’t want the firm to fight it.’”

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Typical Smelly' propaganda effort...

Anonymous "sources" reporting on one of Smelly's fave alt.right/"alernative facts"/fake news blogsites, that "maybe" (or maybe not..) some gossip about the Clintons might help to deflect attention away from the latest Trumpastrophes afflicting the White House..

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

Typical Smelly' propaganda effort...

Anonymous "sources" reporting on one of Smelly's fave alt.right/"alernative facts"/fake news blogsites, that "maybe" (or maybe not..) some gossip about the Clintons might help to deflect attention away from the latest Trumpastrophes afflicting the White House..

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smelly-bandit wrote:I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much


You really should save this post and use it in the next valentine card you send.

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eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much


You really should save this post and use it in the next valentine card you send.

I don't send valentine cards eddie, I'm not a fucking child

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eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much


You really should save this post and use it in the next valentine card you send.

I don't send valentine cards eddie, I'm not a fucking child

Hahahahahahaha. Yeah you are.
And you have to admit I am rather hilarious.

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Oh dear oh dear oh dear

It's all coming apart at the seams.

"Lock her up" might be coming next

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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:23 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:Oh dear oh dear oh dear

It's all coming apart at the seams.

"Lock her up" might be coming next

You really are a hoot.

Papadopoulos is named in the indictment as a proactive cooperator.

That's police talk for "wired for sound."

The fact that investigators have unsealed his indictment means they now have everything they need.

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President Trump's Chief of Staff said on Monday night that the Justice Department should appoint a special counsel to investigate Democrats.

John Kelly called for a probe into a controversial uranium deal that occurred during the administration of former President Barack Obama. He also wants an investigation into a dossier compiled on Donald Trump during the 2016 presidential campaign, filled with false allegations of wrongdoing.

"One of the strengths I have in looking at issues in my job, I think probably as a layman looking at this kind of thing, we need to find someone who’s very, very objective, who can get to the bottom of these accusations," Kelly said in an interview on Fox News' new show, The Ingraham Angle, featuring radio talk show host Laura Ingraham.

"I think it’s important. Again, the American people have an absolute right to know these things," he said.

Republican lawmakers in Congress last week moved forward with a probe into the Obama-era uranium deal. Some charge that Hillary Clinton’s State Department approved the deal, but only after the Clintons' charitable organization got a $145 million donation, Reuters reported.

"Republicans have also raised questions about whether Democrats funded a dossier put together during last year’s presidential campaign that detailed accusations about Trump’s ties to Russia. The Washington Post reported last week that Marc Elias, a lawyer for Clinton, used campaign funds to hire Fusion GPS, the firm behind the dossier."

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Oct 31, 2017 5:55 pm

Of course, John Kelly is a proven liar, at least as bad as Trump.  He is the former four-star Rubble (as Trump calls them) that attacked Gold Star families, relatives of fallen soldiers.

The uranium company involved the sale of the holding company, Uranium One, through a series of deals.  It has had several off-shore owners:

Snopes wrote:The mining company, Uranium One, was originally based in South Africa, but merged in 2007 with Canada-based UrAsia Energy. Shareholders there retained a controlling interest until 2010, when Russia’s nuclear agency, Rosatom, completed purchase of a 51% stake.

Ultimately, the deal was approved by the Committee on Foreign Investment in the United States, a committee that is composed of representatives from several US government agencies.  It was a sale of equity in the holding company, and no uranium left the US.

The so-called Trump Golden Shower dossier has been proven factually correct in all details that can be corroborated.  It was compiled by a former British MI-6 agent, now retired, and everyone who has read it stands in admiration of its author.

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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:57 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:I love how you are all foaming at the mouth in excitement.

Can't wait for your rage when it amounts to not much

It's funny that is what you are doing now that the Clinton stuff has turned into not much and Trumps cronies are actually getting arrested.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:44 pm

BHWAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


Report: Mueller's Team Might Have Violated Manafort's Constitutional Rights


The editor-in-chief at a well-known legal news website argued in an opinion piece on Tuesday that special counsel Robert Mueller’s team might have violated former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort’s Fourth Amendment rights, which could lead to major problems for the special counsel.

Mueller’s team raided Manafort’s multimillion-dollar home in Alexandria, Virginia on July 26, 2017, and in the process of executing a search warrant, they might have violated the law with some of the material they recovered, Rachel Stockman wrote at Law Newz.

http://www.dailywire.com/news/23009/muellers-team-might-have-violated-manaforts-ryan-saavedra?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=social&utm_content=062316-news&utm_campaign=benshapiro


Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear

Thought you said this fucker was supposed to be smooth and slick Quill

What happened??

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:08 pm

sb wrote:Oh dear oh dear oh dear oh dear

Thought you said this fucker was supposed to be smooth and slick Quill

What happened??

He is.  This claim is missing one crucial detail.  Notice it's all conclusory?  No home could be the subject of a warrant if they feared privileged documents might be found.  Prosecutors have well-established procedures for sealing such seized materials. There's nothing about precautions taken...it's all speculative: could have, who knows, perhaps.

Quazi-fake news.  Someone dreamed up a chance contingency, and posed it as a possibility.  No basis in fact. Notice the McArthur article was written in 2005, when Manafort was never heard of?  Look at the contingent conditions:

McArthur wrote:...whenever law enforcement officials have reason to believe that a search or seizure is likely to expose them to privileged attorney-client communications and fail to take reasonable steps to minimize their exposure.

Been there, done that.  It's a contingency that's been anticipated, and covered.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:24 pm

I noticed that in the build up to this, you were perched atop the highest tower in the land crowing from dawn till dusk about trumps impeachment and how it was imminent.

We couldn't pry you loose with a crowbar.

Now?? You barely crawl out from under that rock of yours.

Things not going so well??

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 01, 2017 9:53 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:I noticed that in the build up to this, you were perched atop the highest tower in the land crowing from dawn till dusk about trumps impeachment and how it was imminent.

We couldn't pry you loose with a crowbar.

Now?? You barely crawl out from under that rock of yours.

Things not going so well??

I'm still here, Russ. Look up...arthritis got your neck?

I just totally debunked your faux news claim, and never took a step.

You hate losing, don't you? Razz

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smelly-bandit wrote:I noticed that in the build up to this, you were perched atop the highest tower in the land crowing from dawn till dusk about trumps impeachment and how it was imminent.

We couldn't pry you loose with a crowbar.

Now?? You barely crawl out from under that rock of yours.

Things not going so well??

Look dude, you're just too dumb and misinformed to participate in this debate. Bow out and retain what shit-stained shreds of dignity our stupider members think you still have.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Nov 02, 2017 4:31 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:I noticed that in the build up to this, you were perched atop the highest tower in the land crowing from dawn till dusk about trumps impeachment and how it was imminent.

We couldn't pry you loose with a crowbar.

Now?? You barely crawl out from under that rock of yours.

Things not going so well??

Look dude, you're just too dumb and misinformed to participate in this debate. Bow out and retain what shit-stained shreds of dignity our stupider members think you still have.

Don't you feel like this teacher when you read smelly's posts Cool Cool Cool



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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Nov 02, 2017 6:09 am

Original Quill wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:I noticed that in the build up to this, you were perched atop the highest tower in the land crowing from dawn till dusk about trumps impeachment and how it was imminent.

We couldn't pry you loose with a crowbar.

Now?? You barely crawl out from under that rock of yours.

Things not going so well??

I'm still here, Russ.  Look up...arthritis got your neck?

I just totally debunked your faux news claim, and never took a step.

You hate losing, don't you? Razz

Losing??

Like trump lost the election?

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smelly-bandit wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

I'm still here, Russ.  Look up...arthritis got your neck?

I just totally debunked your faux news claim, and never took a step.

You hate losing, don't you? Razz

Losing??

Like trump lost the election?

Trump's going down, and you're a witness.  If you can't do the time; don't do the crime.--UB40

I was thinking...wouldn't Guantanamo be the perfect place to house Trump?  It could stand like Elba did for Napoleon...a monument for losers.  Trump is always supporting statues of Robert E. Lee, another loser.  Why not a concentration camp for him?

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