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Post by Didge on Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:51 pm

Universities that use "no platforming" and "safe spaces" to shut down free speech could face action from the new higher education regulator, the Government has announced. Jo Johnson, the universities minister, said young people and students need to "accept the legitimacy of healthy vigorous debate" as he outlined plans for the Office for Students (OfS).

According to the Times, this could include powers to fine, suspend or deregister universities if they do not meet a statutory duty to commit to free speech in their governance documents. But any proposals will form part of a consultation to help establish how the OfS will operate in its regulation of English universities.

It will be able to hold universities to account on their duty to secure free speech, ensuring it is upheld by staff, student unions and student societies, the Department for Education (DfE) said.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/19/universities-told-must-commit-free-speech-new-plans/

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/02/14/90-percent-universities-restricting-free-speech-study-finds/

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Re: Universities told they 'must commit to free speech' under new plans

Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:28 pm

Too bad that ruling doesn't apply to online forums

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Re: Universities told they 'must commit to free speech' under new plans

Post by eddie on Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:51 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:Too bad that ruling doesn't apply to online forums

In what way have we impeded your right to speak freely?

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Post by Syl on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:04 pm

Says the one who thinks he is shutting people up by putting them on ignore.
He even threatened a mod the other day. Razz

People who bang on about free speech should be prepared to hear it as well as speak it.

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Post by eddie on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:06 pm

Syl wrote:Says the one who thinks he is shutting people up by putting them on ignore.
He even threatened a mod the other day. Razz

People who bang on about free speech should be prepared to hear it as well as speak it.

Yeah. We know it, he doesn't.

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Post by Syl on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:20 pm

Actually this isn't unusual on forums.
Quite a few people who like to shout loudly about their own views are very picky when it comes to listening to others.

Aren't forum folk odd? What a Face

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:32 pm

I forget. Doesn't the UK have laws prohibiting expressions of Fascist/Nazi beliefs and symbols?

Isn't that an antinomy? How do they handle that?

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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:10 pm

eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:Too bad that ruling doesn't apply to online forums

In what way have we impeded your right to speak freely?

whoa whoa whoa sweetheart

i never said newsfix needs it

here at newsfix we are a haven for the verbally oppressed, a veritible bastion of discourse and intellectual banter, free speech abounds with every letter type and word spoken

i was thinking more like twitter and facebook where you get arrested and imprisoned for the wrong opinion

do you think newsfix impedes peoples right to speak freely??

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Post by Syl on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:15 pm

Original Quill wrote:I forget.  Doesn't the UK have laws prohibiting expressions of Fascist/Nazi beliefs and symbols?

Isn't that an antinomy?  How do they handle that?

Well we obviously have hate speech laws Quill.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:34 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Says the one who thinks he is shutting people up by putting them on ignore.
He even threatened a mod the other day. Razz

People who bang on about free speech should be prepared to hear it as well as speak it.

Yeah. We know it, he doesn't.  

can you inform syl she requested i put her on ignore


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Post by Syl on Thu Oct 19, 2017 7:36 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:

Yeah. We know it, he doesn't.  

can you inform syl she requested i put her on ignore


Fibber. Laughing


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i dont care about your opinion syl, its mostly irrelevant to me

i do care about the fact that you think i need to respect and obey your opinion though

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My opinion is obviously not irrelevant to you as you seem overly keen in dissecting many of my posts, that more often than not differ greatly from yours.....thankfully.

I care about the respect of people I myself respect, which would count you out.
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you have a very large opinion of yourself

dont confuse me responding to you with me respecting your opinions.

if you do not want me to respond to you then your wish is my command

i will place on you the ignore list and you will no longer be bothered by me.

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Re: Universities told they 'must commit to free speech' under new plans

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:12 am

smelly-bandit wrote:
Too bad that ruling doesn't apply to online forums

Rolling Eyes

You're singing to the choir there, dipshit...

Take your idiotic complaints to some of those forums that are actively against "free speech"..

InaFlap, the NRA, KKK, and ISIS, could all be much more suitable candidates.

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Post by nicko on Fri Oct 20, 2017 8:17 am

"In a flap is against free speech"? That just shows your ignorance !
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Re: Universities told they 'must commit to free speech' under new plans

Post by eddie on Fri Oct 20, 2017 5:55 pm

smelly-bandit wrote:
eddie wrote:
smelly-bandit wrote:Too bad that ruling doesn't apply to online forums

In what way have we impeded your right to speak freely?

whoa whoa whoa sweetheart

i never said newsfix needs it

here at newsfix we are a haven for the verbally oppressed, a veritible bastion of discourse and intellectual banter, free speech abounds with every letter type and word spoken

i was thinking more like twitter and facebook where you get arrested and imprisoned for the wrong opinion

do you think newsfix  impedes peoples right to speak freely??

Firstly, don't call me sweetheart. Really.

Secondly, you said "online forums" - Facebook and Twitter aren't classed as forums and besides that, you were talking about here, your last question and all the whining you've done presently and previously, proves that.

And in answer to your last question: No.

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Post by Syl on Fri Oct 20, 2017 6:22 pm

And he didn't come back to admit he lied about me either.
No doubt because he has me on ignore,,,,though I doubt it. Wink

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