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Post by Didge on Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:39 pm

Peace campaigners have been accused of “indoctrinating” children, after Britain’s largest teaching union promoted a scheme to sell white poppies ahead of Remembrance Sunday.

The Peace Pledge Union (PPU), a pacifist organisation, will this week formally launch a new campaign for schools across the country to endorse white poppies.

It comes after the PPU exhibited for the first time at this year’s National Union of Teachers (NUT) conference, where it signed up over 100 teachers to its inaugural teacher network.

The PPU, which grew out of the conscientious objectors movement in the First World War, aims to challenge what they see as the “glamorisation” of war through the sale of red poppies.

But Colonel Richard Kemp, the former commander of the British Forces in Afghanistan, criticised the sale of white poppies in schools as “misguided”


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/2017/10/14/peace-campaigners-accused-indoctrinating-childrenas-teaching/
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Post by magica on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:33 pm

This has been tried before and flopped.

Red poppies are not glamourising war, it remembers the blood spilt, the poor men and boys who died.

That should never be forgotten.

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Post by Didge on Sun Oct 15, 2017 8:42 pm

magica wrote:This has been tried before and flopped.

Red poppies are not glamourising war, it remembers the blood spilt, the poor men and boys who died.

That should never be forgotten.

100% agree magica
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Post by nicko on Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:17 pm

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Post by Lord Foul on Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:26 pm

where does the money these cowards poppies raise go to?

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Re: Peace campaigners accused of 'indoctrinating' children, as teaching union promotes white poppy scheme

Post by Didge on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:02 pm

Lord Foul wrote:where does the money these cowards poppies raise go to?

It does not go anywhere mate.

It goes back into spending the money on supposed education..In other words, it does not help anyone.

I wonder within this education, that they exlain their history of calling for the appeasement of Nazi Germany?

Like many in the 1930s, the PPU supported appeasement, believing that Nazi Germany would cease its aggression if the territorial provisions of the Versailles Treaty were undone. It backed Neville Chamberlain's policy at Munich in 1938, regarding Hitler's claims on the Sudetenland as legitimate. Peace News editor and PPU sponsor John Middleton Murry and his supporters in the group caused considerable controversy by arguing Germany should be given control of mainland Europe. In a PPU publication, Warmongers, Clive Bell said that Germany should be permitted to "absorb" France, Poland, the Low Countries and the Balkans. This position drew criticism from other PPU activists such as Vera Brittain and Andrew Stewart. At the time of the Munich crisis, several PPU sponsors tried to send "five thousand pacifists to the Sudetenland as a non-violent presence", however this attempt came to nothing.

Some PPU supporters were so sympathetic to German grievances that Rose Macaulay claimed she found it difficult to distinguish between the propaganda of the PPU and that of the British Union of Fascists (BUF), saying, "Occasionally when reading Peace News, I (and others) half think we have got hold of the [BUF journal] Blackshirt by mistake". There was Fascist infiltration of the PPU and MI5 kept an eye on the PPU's "small Fascist connections".After Dick Sheppard's death in October 1937, George Orwell, always hostile to pacifism, accused the PPU of "moral collapse" on the grounds that some members even joined the BUF.The historian Mark Gilbert said, "it is hard to think of a British newspaper that was so consistent an apologist for nazi Germany as Peace News," which "assiduously echoed the nazi press's claims that far worse offences than the Kristallnacht events were a regular feature of British colonial rule". But David C. Lukowitz argues that, "it is nonsense to charge the PPU with pro-Nazi sentiments. From the outset it emphasised that its primary dedication was to world peace, to economic justice and racial equality," but it had "too much sympathy for the German position, often the product of ignorance and superficial thinking".

In 1938 the PPU opposed legislation for air-raid precautions and in 1939 campaigned against military conscription.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_Pledge_Union#Appeasement_of_Nazi_Germany

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Post by Syl on Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:29 pm

magica wrote:This has been tried before and flopped.

Red poppies are not glamourising war, it remembers the blood spilt, the poor men and boys who died.

That should never be forgotten.

Exactly Mags.
Its to honour the people who bravely gave up their lives in combat.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Oct 15, 2017 11:25 pm

magica wrote:This has been tried before and flopped.

Red poppies are not glamourising war, it remembers the blood spilt, the poor men and boys who died.

That should never be forgotten.

Well said.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Oct 16, 2017 4:24 am

It is a symbol of remembrance of the horrors of WW1... with the hope of preventing anything like it ever happening again!



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Post by eddie on Mon Oct 16, 2017 5:47 am

Why does some busybody always come along and try to change something that's been working and well-received for years and years?
Gets on my nerves.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Mon Oct 16, 2017 8:17 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:It is a symbol of remembrance of the horrors of WW1... with the hope of preventing anything like it ever happening again!



There's more to the red poppy scheme than commemoration of the fallen of all, conflicts from WW1 onwards, important though that may be...it is also the principal funding source of the Royal British Legion's work in providing support for serving or former military service personnel and their families who need it.

The RBL, of which I'm proud to be a branch officer, funds six care homes; pays for badly needed breaks or holiday for servicemen and women, past and present, who cannot afford one and helps with indebtedness, employment, housing, social problems and funeral costs.

We also provide funds and personal support for military rehabilitation hospitals and centres where so many of today's badly injured and maimed are treated.

In a couple of weeks' time, like thousands of other RBL members, I'll be going door-to-door offering the traditional red Flanders poppy to everyone - not selling them, as is widely believed, but offering them to be worn as a token of respect for those who have given life and limb in the service of this country.

The notes and coins that go into RBL collecting boxes are donations towards our work, and if anyone refuses to donate (I have experienced only one or two in my area) I politely, ask them to accept a poppy anyway, and simply to spare a thought on November 11th for the men and women who ensured that we live in freedom today.

If those propagandizing teachers who are making determined efforts to denigrate everything that we are doing and to insult those who have suffered devastating injuries or have lost their lives in the name of this country can live with that, then it is up to them.
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