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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 13, 2017 1:10 pm


France strikes: Workers stage mass protests at Macron's plans to weaken labour laws



http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-strikes-protests-macron-labour-laws-workers-walk-out-a7943336.html


So much for the EU and a socialist prime minister protecting workers rights...



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:57 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
France strikes: Workers stage mass protests at Macron's plans to weaken labour laws

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/france-strikes-protests-macron-labour-laws-workers-walk-out-a7943336.html

So much for the EU and a socialist prime minister protecting workers rights...

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Macron isn't a "socialist"...

Then again, in Tommyworld, ignorance reigns supreme --  where anyone to the left of Genghis Khan is a "socialist";  centrists and moderates don't exist;  and anyone left-of-centre is automatically a godless commie..

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:50 pm

Tommy thinks that "socialst" is a kind of wrist corsage worn at Cotillion Balls.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:31 pm



'...Macron had been a member of the Socialist Party since he was 24...'


Wikipedia


And he was a minister in President Francois Hollande’s socialist government....!





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Post by Original Quill on Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:48 pm

Independent wrote:Macron's latest success heralds the death of French socialism – and it was socialist defeatism that caused it

It was Hollande’s prime minister Manuel Valls, a classic Socialist Party success story who rose from Spanish immigrant to the second highest office in the French state, who announced that the party was ‘dead and gone’, and that he wanted to join En Marche! This was within a couple of days of Macron’s presidential victory.

An outright majority in France’s parliament for a movement founded just over a year ago is clearly a huge achievement. Emmanuel Macron’s fledgling force has captured the imagination of the entire world following yet another exceptional election win on Sunday.

Those left stunned by the blitzkrieg-style success of La République en Marche! (LREM, or The Republic on the Move!) should not, however, overlook a development that is arguably of far greater significance: the sudden death of Socialist France. That 351 out of 577 MPs will now make up the Macron cohorts in the National Assembly is remarkable, but the fact that a Socialist Party (PS) that was in government until last month will have as few as 29 seats is absolutely astonishing.

Such figures mean that the party of François Mitterrand, the longest serving president in the history of the Fifth Republic, is now a relatively powerless minority. François Hollande, who began his career as an advisor to Mitterrand, was a PS head of state with a comfortable parliamentary majority but he did not dare seek re-election because he knew wipe-out was coming.

Both Hollande and Mitterrand once represented the triumph of the romantic left – one in which apparatchiks inspired by the class struggle and the excesses of capitalism were able to fight for social justice from within the Paris establishment, rather than from the street. The PS galvanised the immense revolutionary spirit of the French people and turned it into a formidable democratic unit. Now it is an anachronism that could only muster 6 per cent of the vote during the May presidential elections that saw Macron enter the Élysée Palace.

In terms of historical developments, this is on a par with the decline of the British Liberal Party before the First World War. A radical new movement – Labour – hastened the demise of the Liberals in the UK, and in France LREM is having the same effect on the Socialists.

Hollande’s incompetence had a great deal to do with this. Before the start of his five-year tenure in 2012, he said: “I don’t like the rich”. His attempts to introduce a top rate of income tax of 75 per cent led to entrepreneurs leaving France. The result of such initiatives was predictable enough: unemployment rocketed, along with the cost of living, as violent street demonstrations became the norm. Just like under Mitterrand in the early Eighties, U-turns were essential so as to prevent economic collapse.

In Hollande’s case, this involved appointing financially astute civil servants such as Emmanuel Macron, a former Rothschild banker, to try to bail the country out. Contrary to silly myths, Macron was by no means Hollande’s protégé. He was not even a member of the PS while an unelected finance minister, and was certainly not brought in to keep the Socialists in power under another name. Macron was solely seen as a bright problem-solver who could get things done.

Instead of using talent like Macron to bolster their overall image, however, the PS split between market-friendly social liberals, and the hard left. Most disastrous of all was the manner in which senior ministers just gave up on their party once it was obvious that Macron would prevail.

It was Hollande’s Prime Minister Manuel Valls, a classic PS success story who rose from Spanish immigrant to the second highest office in the French state, who announced that the party was “dead and gone”, and that he wanted to join LREM. This was within a couple of days of Macron’s presidential victory.

Perhaps the most disgraceful – and most telling – conduct came from Ségolène Royal, another of Hollande’s most senior lieutenants who was drawn to LREM in recent weeks. Not only was she a former PS presidential candidate, but the mother of François Hollande’s four children. Despite failing to win a parliamentary seat in 2012, Royal seemed to believe that entitled dinosaurs like her had a right to govern thanks to nepotism.

Hollande caused outrage when he made the mandate-less Royal his Ecology Minister in 2014. The deeply cynical Royal even expressed anger and surprise towards Macron when he declined to keep her on in the job this month.

Champagne socialists are referred to as la Gauche Caviar (the Caviar Left) in France, and there are plenty of others like Royal: those who owe their pampered, moneyed lifestyles to the PS, but who betray democratic socialism whenever it suits them. There was no question of them standing up for their party in the face of the Macron Miracle. They simply capitulated.

LREM is not a party in the conventional way that the LR and PS are. It is a voting bloc with Édouard Philippe, an LR veteran as Prime Minister, and plenty of PS turncoats also in Macron’s cabinet. New recruits who will now form the “presidential majority” in Parliament include scores of ordinary people from civil society, along with other pragmatic (some might say opportunistic) politicians from the left, the right, and the Christian democrat MoDem group. The proportion of women in the National Assembly is close to 40 per cent for the first time.

Yes, turnout was low in the second round of parliamentary elections (almost 43 per cent), and there are already concerns about the possibility of an unrestrained “hyper-presidency”, but opposition to Macron is, in fact, just as likely to come from within his eclectic coalition as it is from outside. LREM rejects extremism, whether from the far right National Front or the radical leftist La France Insoumise (France Unbowed).

A vital rebooting of French democracy is underway, as a progressive young President tries to halt the march of aggressive populism. Macron is not dictating any ideology, nor indeed any rigid programme. He is a consensus politician, who is prepared to listen, and to compromise.

In such circumstances, the PS had every opportunity to fight for its core objectives. Instead, it displayed a shameful defeatism that belies its important role in the development of modern France.

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Re: Mass protests in France

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 13, 2017 6:17 pm

The facts I posted still stand...!!!



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:05 pm

Razz

Tommy is such an idiot...

He probably also tells himself that Vladimir Putin is 'still a communist'..

Yet again, poor little Tommy proves that he knows less-than-zero about politics.

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Post by smelly-bandit on Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:59 pm

lol

looks like the french have conned themselves again

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:37 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Razz

Tommy is such an idiot...

He probably also tells himself that Vladimir Putin is 'still a communist'..

Yet again, poor little Tommy proves that he knows less-than-zero about politics.


A few months back, I posted about the strikes in France under the Hollande socialist govt, which Macron was a minister in... these strikes were against their plans to make hundreds of thousands of public sector staff redundant, and to decimate the workers rights of all in France...


With the EU doing nothing to protect any of these workers, or their rights... because of course the EU are a federal dictatorship on the side of corporations, not a democracy that is on the side of ordinary people...


I warned against electing (the left wing) Macron, and said that he is just another EU puppet, and that he would be trying to introduce the exact same policies to destroy the workers rights of ordinary people in France...!!!


While others shouted that the only other party in the race, and who spoke out against these proposed changes, and promised to protect the civil service jobs and workers rights, being Le Penne's Front Nationale, were somehow 'far right' and 'the nasty evil bad guys'...!!!


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Post by gelico on Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:47 pm



the mornic merds voted for Macron

they can suck it up now

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Sep 13, 2017 10:48 pm

The people were told that Macron was an alternative to these sweeping attacks on public sector jobs and workers rights... and that the only party promising to protect them were 'evil far right nazis'...



The controlled media are lying to the people at every turn...



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Sep 14, 2017 8:33 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
The people were told that Macron was an alternative to these sweeping attacks on public sector jobs and workers rights... and that the only party promising to protect them were 'evil far right nazis'...

The controlled media are lying to the people at every turn...

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Le Penne's mob would have abolished and outlawed the Trade Unions if they gained power...

How is that "protecting workers' rights", exactly  ???
(We all know that you're opposed to human rights and workers' rights yourself, Tommy --  you certainly don't hide the fact.. .)

Those Frenchies had placed themselves 'between a rock and a hardplace' --  an unenviable choice between a right-leaning centrist mob under Macron, and lying neo-nazi fascists to the far right.

As far as I'm concerned, it's Karma for the way that France has treated the rest of the world over the last couple of centuries..

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Sep 14, 2017 1:18 pm

That is complete rubbish from flea keeper... le Penne promised to protect public sector jobs and workers rights...


'...Economically, Le Pen promises to reverse globalisation and shield domestic industries from competition to benefit French workers. She promises increased welfare spending and a lower retirement age. Her ‘France First’ foreign policy is based on increasing defence spending, reducing immigration and restoring national identity. She is unequivocally anti-EU and opposes the single currency.

Le Pen’s economic policies are close to that of the centre left. In a contest against Fillon, who advocates cutting 500,000 civil-service jobs, reducing government services, labour market de-regulation, a higher retirement age and longer working hours, traditional socialist voters may support the Front National. In a contest against Macron, En Marche’s policy of tax cuts and labour-market reforms may assist Le Pen. Fillon and Macron’s support of globalisation, the EU, greater European economic integration and immigration increases Le Pen’s appeal to French nationalists from both the right and left of the political spectrum...'


http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/marine-le-pen-macron-fillion-french-elections-who-will-win-a7600206.html



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:37 pm



La Pen obviously "speaks with forked tongue"...

He can utter whatever lies he likes about "protecting workers rights", but his party's actual economic policies are anti-union/anti-worker..

How exactly would you "protect" workers rights by abolishing unions, no minimum wage, reducing foreign trade, strengthening the employers' position  ?

Le Pen is a fan of such well known fascists as Hitler and Mussolini, is he not;  both of whom outlawed trade unions and abolished workers rights..

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Sep 14, 2017 7:56 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:

La Pen obviously "speaks with forked tongue"...

He can utter whatever lies he likes about "protecting workers rights", but his party's actual economic policies are anti-union/anti-worker..

How exactly would you "protect" workers rights by abolishing unions, no minimum wage, reducing foreign trade, strengthening the employers' position  ?

Le Pen is a fan of such well known fascists as Hitler and Mussolini, is he not;  both of whom outlawed trade unions and abolished workers rights..


Shows how much you know about French politics...!!!


lol!


I'll let you think about it for a while, to see if you can work out your colossal error on this subject...!?


Most amusing!!!


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Post by nicko on Thu Sep 14, 2017 9:24 pm

Transgender perhaps?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Sep 14, 2017 10:44 pm

Not quite Nicko...


Le Penn, the leader of the FN, and who was standing in the recent election in France... is definitely 100% a woman!!!


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