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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:17 pm

Its the 20th anniversary of Princess Diana's death today.
The papers, TV, and internet have been running stories about her for the last coupleof weeks, culminating in todays vigils around the country to remember the 'Peoples princess'.

Do you approve of all the publicity this woman still generates....or are you sick and tired of hearing about her and believe she should be forgotten about, or at least left alone to rest in peace?


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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Miffs2 on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:55 pm

I loved Diana, she was a breath of fresh air in that awful family.
At the same time I have very mixed feelings about how things are now. People are fickle, some of those screaming at her death will have been at Charles wedding cheering.
There are still too many unanswered questions around her death for me. Conspiracy theories keep stories alive for a long long time.
It's time people stopped making money off her, but I hope we never forget her.
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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by nicko on Thu Aug 31, 2017 1:59 pm

I am sick of all this weeping and wailing for a Woman that most people had never met. This Morning I saw a man Crying, actually crying over this Woman. Sorry if I offend but I think it's pathetic.
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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Angry Andy on Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:16 pm

I met her twice.
She was as beautiful inside as she was looking.

She CARED for people. It drove her on and inspired her.
The only other royal who was pleasant was Anne. She took great interest in my late pa in law when she saw his Normandy landing insignia on his blazer.

The truth will only emerge after Charles's death.
There will always remain suspicion and strong circumstantial evidence of foul play - possibly instagated by the higher echelons of the Royal family themselves.
They had motive.
They had the opportunity.
They had the means to deliver the accident.
They had the means to ensure she ended up dead - even though the crash didnt  kill her.
They had the means to cover up the truth.
It meant some innocents were collateral damage, but they were insignificant to the bigger picture.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 31, 2017 4:15 pm

RIP--Beautiful princess. She did a lot to make Britain proud.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by magica on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:14 pm

She was lovely, did a lot, but all these tears are stupid. I'm sick of it now.

She was murdered but we'll never know.

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Post by magica on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:22 pm

nicko wrote:I am sick of all this weeping and wailing for a Woman that most people had never met.   This Morning I saw a man Crying, actually crying over this Woman.   Sorry if I offend but I think it's pathetic.

I gave you a green Nick because as much as I admired her and liked her, I agree with what you've said. This wailing and flowers is ott now. Just let her rest in peace and be remembered by whoever will, in their own way.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by eddie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:39 pm

She was a troubled, flawed, honest and totally warm human being which to me, made her the perfect person to help many of the unfortunate people on this planet.

Her openly honest flaws are what made people love her.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:39 pm

And to think, in this country they're all aflutter about statutes of Robert E. Lee.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Aug 31, 2017 5:42 pm

eddie wrote:She was a troubled, flawed, honest and totally warm human being which to me, made her the perfect person to help many of the unfortunate people on this planet.

Her openly honest flaws are what made people love her.

Laughing Oh well, she help'd breed out those long-necked Germans from the Royals.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:19 pm

She was great. She had a troubled private life, but she shone in public - she could light up a whole room.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by eddie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:21 pm

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:She was a troubled, flawed, honest and totally warm human being which to me, made her the perfect person to help many of the unfortunate people on this planet.

Her openly honest flaws are what made people love her.

Laughing   Oh well, she help'd breed out those long-necked Germans from the Royals.

Shhhhh! Don't mention the Germans. Shocked

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:29 pm

nicko wrote:I am sick of all this weeping and wailing for a Woman that most people had never met.   This Morning I saw a man Crying, actually crying over this Woman.   Sorry if I offend but I think it's pathetic.

That's pretty much how feel. She's been dead for 20 years FFS. She wasn't a saint. She was just a human being. If she'd looked like Camilla there wouldn't be all this fuss.
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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 6:32 pm

Hahaha I wondered how long it'd take for Horatio to come along with her no-nonsense stick!

I was going to refute that - about her looking like Camilla - but I guess it did help that she was truly photogenic. Having said that, it was her genuine compassion for people that the public warmed to.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:13 pm

I'm glad people still remember her too.
Its ironic that the one person who was vilified for bringing the royal family down (by them and the establishment) is the one person who they should thank for their present popularity.

In spite of them treating her so badly, she provided the country with two sons, and both  have carried on her good works with genuine warmth and kindness, something the rest of that family have never had.

I watched a documentary the other night detailing the days after she died....how uncaring the queen and the rest of the family were towards her death, only publicly declaring their sadness when they were faced with growing resentment by the majority of the country.

Its now been made public that William and Harry were told to walk with her funeral cortege because the 'establishment' feared the crowds would be hostile towards Charles and the duke of Edinburgh....who both treated her badly when she was alive.
The site of the white flowers with the hand written notes from her sons laid on top of her coffin,, and the sad site of them walking behind her, still moves me 20 years on.

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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:33 pm

Great post Syl.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:59 pm

Thanks Eddie, I think its important she is still remembered.

I believe she was murdered, and if her memory is wiped away the truth will never come out.
One day, I believe it will, hopefully anyway.

I also believe (going back to what goes round comes around) that Charles and Camilla will never find the acceptance they crave whilst Diana is still loved by the country, she was a thorn in their side when she was alive and she still is.

They ended up married, Camilla legally replaced Diana, but that was only possible because she died....there is a price to pay for that.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:08 pm

Do they crave acceptance? I get the impression that Camilla isn't that bothered, and Charles will be King one day, unless his mother outlives him.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:16 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Do they crave acceptance? I get the impression that Camilla isn't that bothered, and Charles will be King one day, unless his mother outlives him.

I think they would love to be accepted rather than tolerated, but I doubt they ever will be.
Like you say he will be King unless his mum outlives him, only because that's the way the Royal lineage works
His sons are popular and if the Royal family continues William will no doubt make a good ruler...Charles isn't really wanted though, and she certainly isn't.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:20 pm


So the queen and Kim Kardashian are related?? Razz

Don't they say that everyone is related to everyone if we delve back far enough?

So...we are all family on here if the truth be known. What a Face

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:27 pm

Look at some more of the relations listed...


But I have always found it strange how this KK woman has arrived into position of getting multi millions for complete fuk all... maybe being related to the 'right people' explains it...



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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Look at some more of the relations listed...


But I have always found it strange how this KK woman has arrived into position of getting multi millions for complete fuk all... maybe being related to the 'right people' explains it...



Well yes, that and being willing to show off her ginormous arse on every given opportunity, which oddly seems to fascinate millions of people.
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KK aside... did you look at the other relations...?



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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:32 pm

eddie wrote:Hahaha I wondered how long it'd take for Horatio to come along with her no-nonsense stick!

I was going to refute that - about her looking like Camilla - but I guess it did help that she was truly photogenic.  Having said that, it was her genuine compassion for people that the public warmed to.

Mother Theresa died at around the same time but hardly a word was said about her in the UK. Who was the greater person? Who did more for people and the poor? Diana represented the fantasy figure people buy into...the fairytale princess, the tragic figure, the loving mother, the people's icon. She was young, pretty, knew exactly how to work the camera and the media. I'm not saying she wasn't a good mother or person, but let's get things into perspective. She wasn't great and she wasn't special. She was just an ordinary person who lived in extraordinary circumstances.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:34 pm

Syl wrote:I'm glad people still remember her too.
Its ironic that the one person who was vilified for bringing the royal family down (by them and the establishment) is the one person who they should thank for their present popularity.

In spite of them treating her so badly, she provided the country with two sons, and both  have carried on her good works with genuine warmth and kindness, something the rest of that family have never had.

I watched a documentary the other night detailing the days after she died....how uncaring the queen and the rest of the family were towards her death, only publicly declaring their sadness when they were faced with growing resentment by the majority of the country.

Its now been made public that William and Harry were told to walk with her funeral cortege because the 'establishment' feared the crowds would be hostile towards Charles and the duke of Edinburgh....who both treated her badly when she was alive.
The site of the white  flowers with the hand written notes from her sons laid on top of her coffin,, and the sad site of them walking behind her, still moves me 20 years on.

And yet there are other documentaries and eye witness accounts of how upset the Queen was, and what a manipulative so and so Diana could be. The truth is probably somewhere in between.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Aug 31, 2017 8:50 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Do they crave acceptance? I get the impression that Camilla isn't that bothered, and Charles will be King one day, unless his mother outlives him.

I think they would love to be accepted rather than tolerated, but  I doubt they ever will be.
Like you say he will be King unless his mum outlives him, only because that's the way the Royal lineage works
His sons are popular and if the Royal family continues William will no doubt make a good ruler...Charles isn't really wanted though,  and she certainly isn't.

I don't agree that Charles isn't wanted. He's been heir to the throne for yonks, and there's no reason why people don't want him to be King - apart from the ones who think William should be King instead, and I don't see the logic in that. He won't be a "ruler" anyway, any more than the Queen is.

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Post by eddie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:04 pm

Syl wrote:Thanks Eddie, I think its important she is still remembered.

I believe she was murdered, and if her memory is wiped away the truth will never come out.
One day, I believe it will, hopefully anyway.

I also believe (going back to what goes round comes around) that Charles and Camilla will never find the acceptance they crave  whilst Diana is still loved by the country, she was a thorn in their side when she was alive and she still is.

They ended up married, Camilla legally replaced Diana, but that was only possible because she died....there is a price to pay for that.

In all honesty, whether we like them or not, Charles and Camilla are actually in love and always were. I don't think they care much about anything other than being happy together, finally.

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Post by magica on Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:11 pm

I think Charles should be King, its his birth right. No one can stop that. Yes they can stop Camilla being Queen but not Charles being King.

Let's get something clear here, as much as Charles and Camilla were having an affair, Diana did too and broke up a couple marriages. Also Dodo was engaged when he dated Diana and she only heard about it on the news. Diana didn't care about her, the girl was heartbroken. Knowing how it feels to be betrayed wouldn't you think she wouldn't have inflicted this on other women.

She's wasn't a saint, just a kind, nice person. I would think she would hate all these tears, for her. It's so false by many laying flowers just to be seen.

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Post by Miffs2 on Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:24 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I think they would love to be accepted rather than tolerated, but  I doubt they ever will be.
Like you say he will be King unless his mum outlives him, only because that's the way the Royal lineage works
His sons are popular and if the Royal family continues William will no doubt make a good ruler...Charles isn't really wanted though,  and she certainly isn't.

I don't agree that Charles isn't wanted. He's been heir to the throne for yonks, and there's no reason why people don't want him to be King - apart from the ones who think William should be King instead, and I don't see the logic in that. He won't be a "ruler" anyway, any more than the Queen is.

I disagree, there has already been much said about Charles interfering in politics.
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Post by Miffs2 on Thu Aug 31, 2017 10:26 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Thanks Eddie, I think its important she is still remembered.

I believe she was murdered, and if her memory is wiped away the truth will never come out.
One day, I believe it will, hopefully anyway.

I also believe (going back to what goes round comes around) that Charles and Camilla will never find the acceptance they crave  whilst Diana is still loved by the country, she was a thorn in their side when she was alive and she still is.

They ended up married, Camilla legally replaced Diana, but that was only possible because she died....there is a price to pay for that.

In all honesty, whether we like them or not, Charles and Camilla are actually in love and always were.  I don't  think they care much about anything other than being happy together, finally.

Charles and Camilla have been leading separate lives for ages. Rumours of a split are rife.
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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Syl wrote:

I think they would love to be accepted rather than tolerated, but  I doubt they ever will be.
Like you say he will be King unless his mum outlives him, only because that's the way the Royal lineage works
His sons are popular and if the Royal family continues William will no doubt make a good ruler...Charles isn't really wanted though,  and she certainly isn't.

I don't agree that Charles isn't wanted. He's been heir to the throne for yonks, and there's no reason why people don't want him to be King - apart from the ones who think William should be King instead, and I don't see the logic in that. He won't be a "ruler" anyway, any more than the Queen is.

He is heir to the throne because its his birthright.
If people wanted him to be king im sure the queen would have granted that before now...he is an OAP and still waiting for his position.
The monarch is always considered to be the ruler...she is the head of state, though nowadays she doesnt hold any real power.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:27 pm

magica wrote:I think Charles should be King, its his birth right. No one can stop that. Yes they can stop Camilla being Queen but not Charles being King.

Let's get something clear here, as much as Charles and Camilla were having an affair, Diana did too and broke up a couple marriages. Also Dodo was engaged when he dated Diana and she only heard about it on the news. Diana didn't care about her, the girl was heartbroken.  Knowing how it feels to be betrayed wouldn't you think she wouldn't have inflicted this on other women.  

She's wasn't a saint, just a kind, nice person. I would think she would hate all these tears, for her.  It's so false by many laying flowers just to be seen.

Had Charles been a faithful loving husband i doubt Diana would ever have had affairs.
He wasnt and she did, she was human.
I agree she should have chosen her lovers with more consideration.

I dont think people lay flowers just to be seen, i think for the millions who loved her its a way to show she isnt forgotten.
I also think, from watching the recent programmes leading up to this aniversary, her two sons are happy to know their mum really was, and is still thought of as the peoples princess

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:35 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:Hahaha I wondered how long it'd take for Horatio to come along with her no-nonsense stick!

I was going to refute that - about her looking like Camilla - but I guess it did help that she was truly photogenic.  Having said that, it was her genuine compassion for people that the public warmed to.

Mother Theresa died at around the same time but hardly a word was said about her in the UK.    Who was the greater person?   Who did more for people and the poor?   Diana represented the fantasy figure people buy into...the fairytale princess, the tragic figure, the loving mother, the people's icon.    She was young, pretty, knew exactly how to work the camera and the media.   I'm not saying she wasn't a good mother or person, but let's get things into perspective.   She wasn't great and she wasn't special.  She was just an ordinary person who lived in extraordinary circumstances.

She was special to millions of people.
She may not have lived in poverty, but she generated millions for the vulnerable, old and ill...and not just by putting her name to the charities.
She was the first public figure to hold the hands of lepers, people dying of aids, kids with legs blown off through land mines...and though she did use the media to bring attention to all this, she also did a lot without the cameras focused on her.

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Post by Syl on Thu Aug 31, 2017 11:42 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:KK aside... did you look at the other relations...?



Yes, some very suprising names were blood relatives to Diana....not least Camilla and the queen herself.
Anne Boleyn was very badly treated by her husband, just as Diana was, and both died because they had the misfortune of marrying an unfaitthful man.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by magica on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:02 am

Diana  always had depression, even before marrying Charles.

If Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, Diana wouldn't have been known.

I think its fate she was. Known tbh.

I do think many place flowers just to be seen, I really do.

I think as well it's been Diana overload for the past week and I'm bored of it.

Yes, I think she was good, yes I think she was murdered, but she was no saint.Her nan and Queen mother set them up together. Charles had to marry and she was chosen, sadly for her.

I would like to have met her, but did see her and called her name she laughed.

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Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:09 am

magica wrote:Diana  always had depression, even before marrying Charles.

If Charles had been allowed to marry Camilla in the first place, Diana wouldn't have been known.

I think its fate she was. Known tbh.

I do think many place flowers just to be seen, I really do.

I think as well it's been Diana overload for the past week and I'm bored of it.

Yes, I think she was good, yes I think she was murdered, but she was no saint.Her nan and Queen mother set them up together. Charles had to marry and she was chosen, sadly for her.

I would like to have met her, but did see her and called her name she laughed.

I never saw her, not one for waiting around to get a glimpse of any famous person really, but i always enjoyed seeing her on the news and in the magazines.
Mags, the people who knew her pre marriage never say she was depressed...the opposite in fact.
Yes she had a hard time after her mum left, as would any child, but she didnt suffer from depression, understandably after she married she had problems, but she had good cause then.

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Post by Jules on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:21 am

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But I have always found it strange how this KK woman has arrived into position of getting multi millions for complete fuk all...



Let me explain how.

KK and her 4 sisters got rich & famous via a reality show about their home lives. The genius business brain of their mum made them all millionaires  from an early age (teenage onwards).  That is how it all started.

They all have lucrative contracts with top firms too, and regular deals with glossy magazines.  Some have their own personal cosmetic and designer companies. Additionally they all marry or date SERIOUSLY wealthy sports stars and musicians.  


Britons  are equally obsessed with reality shows and we throw huge mountains of cash at talentless reality stars.  TOWIE, Geordie Shore,  Jungle celebs,  Goggle box, CBBC etc etc etc. These Z-listers made millions and they are all  'famous for being famous.'


So, Tommy ... now you know!  No mystery really.  

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Post by Jules on Fri Sep 01, 2017 12:25 am

Princess Diana. Good mother, kind heart.
RIP.

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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Sep 01, 2017 5:21 pm

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Mother Theresa died at around the same time but hardly a word was said about her in the UK.    Who was the greater person?   Who did more for people and the poor?   Diana represented the fantasy figure people buy into...the fairytale princess, the tragic figure, the loving mother, the people's icon.    She was young, pretty, knew exactly how to work the camera and the media.   I'm not saying she wasn't a good mother or person, but let's get things into perspective.   She wasn't great and she wasn't special.  She was just an ordinary person who lived in extraordinary circumstances.

She was special to millions of people.
She may not have lived in poverty, but she generated millions for the vulnerable, old and ill...and not just by putting her name to the charities.
She was the first public figure to hold the hands of lepers, people dying of aids, kids with legs blown off through land mines...and though she did use the media to bring attention to all this, she also did a lot without the cameras focused on her.

She wasn't the first public figure to help people dying of AIDS. Elizabeth Taylor championed that back in 1984. She brought it out of the closet. And again, Mother Teresa was working closely with lepers before anyone else. Diana did a lot of good, but let's not forget she was in a position to do so, and she didn't do it alone. There would have been a whole machine around her, enabling and helping. I should think most human beings would want to put some time and energy into helping others when they're in a life of financial privilege?
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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:14 pm

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She was special to millions of people.
She may not have lived in poverty, but she generated millions for the vulnerable, old and ill...and not just by putting her name to the charities.
She was the first public figure to hold the hands of lepers, people dying of aids, kids with legs blown off through land mines...and though she did use the media to bring attention to all this, she also did a lot without the cameras focused on her.


She wasn't the first public figure to help people dying of AIDS.   Elizabeth Taylor championed that back in 1984.  She brought it out of the closet.  And again, Mother Teresa was working closely with lepers before anyone else.    Diana did a lot of good, but let's not forget she was in a position to do so, and she didn't do it alone. There would have been a whole machine around her, enabling and helping.    I should think most human beings would want to put some time and energy into helping others when they're in a  life of financial privilege?  

Yes I know Liz Taylor set up an aids foundation, she did a lot in that field.
Mother Theresa devoted her life to helping people......its not a contest.

Diana was the first public figure to devote herself to so many different charities. She didn't concentrate on one section, admirable though that may be, she helped many ill and vulnerable people, often in her own time without the cameras or her entourage following her round.

I was listening to a nurse who had worked in hospitals in Africa. Diana visited, was told to bypass one ward because people with advanced stages of leprosy were in there, she went right in, sat, talked and held hands with the people....this nurse said she had never seen anyone else do that.

Many people who live a life of privilege do sweet sod all to help others unless it benefits themselves in some way.....take a look at the majority of the pampered royals who were living the high life when Diana married Charles.


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Post by magica on Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:14 pm

Many others held hands with the dying, ill, lepers etc. No photos for them.

Princess Anne does far more than Diana ever has with children, yet it hardly ever gets reported as Princess Anne does it without any fuss. I don't like her but credit where credit is due.

Diana loved the papers and would ring them or get someone to ring them to say where she'll be. She also played the tabloids, so lets not run away with the fact she was the only one to do anything, she joins a string of people who have never had publicity for it.

As I said before, I liked Diana but please, lets not label her a saint, she definitely wasnt that.


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Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 6:42 pm

I think people know she wasn't a saint.
She spoke more herself about her failings than anyone else did, that's what made her so human

Have you ever seen the queen hold hands with a leper Mags? She doesn't hold hands with anyone unless she has gloves on. Rolling Eyes

Of course a minority of the royals work hard....I think Anne probably works harder than most apart from her parents, but the majority take and give nothing back.
Unlike Diana did they keep their heads down and live the life of luxury unbothered by the press, which suits them very well.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:04 pm

Syl wrote:I think people know she wasn't a saint.
She spoke more herself about her failings than anyone else did, that's what made her so human

Have you ever seen the queen hold hands with a leper Mags? She doesn't hold hands with anyone unless she has gloves on. Rolling Eyes

Of course a minority of the royals work hard....I think Anne probably works harder than most apart from her parents, but the majority take and give nothing back.
Unlike Diana did they keep their heads down and live the life of luxury unbothered by the press, which suits them very well.

Diana courted the press, then whined when they invaded her privacy. The real people to praise are the ones who keep their heads down, do the work, and do it anonymously.
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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:13 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Syl wrote:I think people know she wasn't a saint.
She spoke more herself about her failings than anyone else did, that's what made her so human

Have you ever seen the queen hold hands with a leper Mags? She doesn't hold hands with anyone unless she has gloves on. Rolling Eyes

Of course a minority of the royals work hard....I think Anne probably works harder than most apart from her parents, but the majority take and give nothing back.
Unlike Diana did they keep their heads down and live the life of luxury unbothered by the press, which suits them very well.

Diana courted the press, then whined when they invaded her privacy.    The real people to praise are the ones who keep their heads down, do the work, and do it anonymously.

Like I said...its not a contest.
Diana did lots of good work and changed the lives of countless people.
Yes she did use the press....but she didn't hound them like they hounded her, she was clever because she had to be in order to survive as long as she did.

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Post by Guest on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:14 pm

Even before her tragic death aged just 36, Princess Diana was already one of the most unusual royals of recent years. While the royal family was often seen as strict and rather old-fashioned, Diana was one to do things her own way, from spending time with those normally left on the fringes to talking about issues others found uncomfortable.

On the 20th anniversary of her death, here are 6 taboos that Princess Diana broke...



Shaking hands with Aids patients


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Princess Diana shakes hands with a patient as she opens a new Aids ward at the Middlesex Hospital in London in 1987
Princes Diana opened the UK’s first purpose built HIV/Aids clinic at the London Middlesex Hospital in 1987. While doing so she shook hands with people suffering with the condition -  something which doesn’t seem revolutionary today but at the time was a powerful gesture. There was a common misconception that HIV and Aids could be passed simply by skin-to-skin contact, so by shaking hands with patients, the Princess of Wales was helping to dispel that myth.
It was also a powerful display of solidarity and compassion towards a community which faced prejudice and ostracisation.

As part of ITV’s Diana Our Mother: Her Life and legacy documentary, Sir Elton John recalled: “[Aids] was considered to be a gay disease and for someone who was within the royal family, and who was a woman, and who was straight — to have someone care from the other side was an incredible gift.” 


Talking about mental health issues


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Princes William and Harry have carried on their mother’s work around mental health
Princess Diana was perhaps one of the most high-profile sufferers of bulimia. Her struggle with the condition was first revealed in the 1992 book “Diana: Her True Story” by Andrew Morton, in which he said she first experienced the illness in 1981 and continue to battle with it before seeking treatment in the late 1980s. She went on to talk about her experiences of the illness in subsequent interviews and speeches, one of the first high-profile people to do so. By openly talking about her struggles, Diana shone a light on an issue which was often kept hidden and showed this was not something to be ashamed of.

Her sons William and Harry have continued her work around mental health, helping with initiatives such as the Heads Together campaign, while the Duchess of Cambridge also guest-edited HuffPost UK’s Young Minds Matter series to focus on young people’s mental health.


Going out to meet rough sleepers


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The Princess of Wales talks with an elderly man during her visit to a west London day centre for homeless people
Diana often made private visits to homeless shelters to meet with those using the facilities. But she also met people forced to sleep rough on the streets of London, not afraid to mix with those otherwise forgotten by society. During the recent ITV documentary, Diana, Our Mother: Her Life and Legacy one man who was homeless at the time recalled: “She woke me up, I loved that.”
Another recalled her joking with him because he was dressed only in shorts, saying: “She said ‘I see you dressed especially for me’ and I cracked a joke, saying ‘my suit’s in Savile Row at the moment’.”


Embracing leprosy sufferers


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Princess Diana speaks with a leprosy sufferer at the Anandaban Hospital in Nepal
Princess Diana became well known for her work with leprosy sufferers, visiting clinics in the likes of Indonesia India, Nepal, Zimbabwe and Nigeria, and went on to become the patron of the Leprosy Mission, dedicated to providing support and treatment to sufferers. Leprosy has historically had a huge amount of stigma attached and so by getting involved, Diana helped to dispel some of this.

Speaking in 1996, she explained why she went advice to not physically touch people with leprosy, saying: It’s always been my concern to touch people with leprosy, trying to show in a simple action that they are not reviled nor are we repulsed.”
Peter Waddup, national director of The Leprosy Mission England and Wales, said:“Princess Diana made huge strides in tackling the prejudice surrounding leprosy but tragically, since her death, leprosy has returned to being the ‘forgotten disease’.

“The fact that the most photographed woman in the world was touching leprosy patients against the advice of her officials was truly shocking.

“It really drew the world’s attention to this ancient disease and, in one fell swoop, dispelled many of the myths surrounding the disease like it can be passed on by touch.”


Her divorce and subsequent reinvention


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Diana dances with John Travolta at the White House, watched by President Ronald Reagan
Divorce was something of a taboo in the royal family, particularly at such a high level. But once her marriage with Prince Charles was over, Diana went on to speak about the experience in public, including the now-well-known Martin Bashir interview in 1995, during which she was asked if Camilla Parker-Bowles was a factor in the breakdown of her marriage.

Diana responded: “Well there  were three of us in this marriage, so it was a bit crowded.”

But once free of the confines of royal life, Diana was able to show off her own sense of style and fun.
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That time she dressed as a man to go to a gay bar with Freddie Mercury


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Princess Diana was allegedly smuggled into the Royal Vauxhall Tavern while dressed as a man by Freddy Mercury
Diana was close friends with many high-profile gay men, including George Michael and designer Gianni Versace, but her night out with Freddie Mercury will go down in history. Comedian Cleo Rocos, who was also friends with the Queen frontman, claimed that in the late 1980s, the Princess was smuggled into the Royal Vauxhall Tavern in disguise.

In her book The Power Of Positive Drinking, Rocos said: “When we walked in... we felt she was obviously Princess Diana and would be discovered at any minute. But people just seemed to blank her. She sort of disappeared. But she loved it.”

“She did look like a beautiful young man.”




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Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:20 pm

Anyway, for the ones who saw through all the lies about her throughout her marriage, after her marriage, and then after her death, here's a lovely tribute, sung by Elton John, to a lovely lady.




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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 01, 2017 7:30 pm

Jules wrote:
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But I have always found it strange how this KK woman has arrived into position of getting multi millions for complete fuk all...



Let me explain how.

KK and her 4 sisters got rich & famous via a reality show about their home lives. The genius business brain of their mum made them all millionaires  from an early age (teenage onwards).  That is how it all started.

They all have lucrative contracts with top firms too, and regular deals with glossy magazines.  Some have their own personal cosmetic and designer companies. Additionally they all marry or date SERIOUSLY wealthy sports stars and musicians.  


Britons  are equally obsessed with reality shows and we throw huge mountains of cash at talentless reality stars.  TOWIE, Geordie Shore,  Jungle celebs,  Goggle box, CBBC etc etc etc. These Z-listers made millions and they are all  'famous for being famous.'


So, Tommy ... now you know!  No mystery really.  


And maybe only made possible from the start because some of their family connections were already in powerful positions in tv/media etc and able to facilitate it...



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Re: Diana, 20 years on.

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:00 pm

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But I have always found it strange how this KK woman has arrived into position of getting multi millions for complete fuk all...



Let me explain how.

KK and her 4 sisters got rich & famous via a reality show about their home lives. The genius business brain of their mum made them all millionaires  from an early age (teenage onwards).  That is how it all started.

They all have lucrative contracts with top firms too, and regular deals with glossy magazines.  Some have their own personal cosmetic and designer companies. Additionally they all marry or date SERIOUSLY wealthy sports stars and musicians.  


Britons  are equally obsessed with reality shows and we throw huge mountains of cash at talentless reality stars.  TOWIE, Geordie Shore,  Jungle celebs,  Goggle box, CBBC etc etc etc. These Z-listers made millions and they are all  'famous for being famous.'


So, Tommy ... now you know!  No mystery really.  

I'm not obsessed with reality shows. I can't understand what people see in them. I must admit that a lot of Brits do seem to like them though. Razz

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Post by magica on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:05 pm

Syl wrote:Anyway, for the ones who saw through all the lies about her throughout her marriage, after her marriage, and then after her death, here's a lovely tribute, sung by Elton John, to a lovely lady.




Not all lies. I hate this song, so bloody condescending.

I know you love her Syl, but we don't all idolize like you, although, as I said, I liked her. She was good but I'm sick to death of the papers banging on about her, especially since before she died, the Sun was slagging her off rotten.

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