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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Aug 21, 2017 7:35 pm

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Details of the recent plane bombing attempt and another plot of a chemical attack...


http://news.sky.com/story/plot-foiled-to-blow-up-uae-bound-plane-with-barbie-doll-bomb-10999147



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:13 pm

nicko wrote:Iran, peacefull?  i despair of you Quill,   your really not of this World are you?

No wars in Iran. I think the point is that the western nations haven't started a campaign of terror on that country.

My point is, leave them alone and they'll leave us alone. Again, what are we accomplishing in Afghanistan? 16-years of my taxpayer's money, and what do we have?

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Post by Guest on Tue Aug 29, 2017 7:16 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:Iran, peacefull?  i despair of you Quill,   your really not of this World are you?

No wars in Iran.  I think the point is that the western nations haven't started a campaign of terror on that country.  

My point is, leave them alone and they'll leave us alone.  Again, what are we accomplishing in Afghanistan?  16-years of my taxpayer's money, and what do we have?

Really, no war with Iraq, or how it threatens to wipe out Israel and arms Hamas, Hezbollah etc to attack Israel. (hardly peaceful intentions) Its arming extremists in Yemen, where a war has gone on basically between Saudi and Iran, which this proxy war has gone in since the allies freed Iraq from Saddam. I mean why was Iran arming insurgents to kill American troops and Sunni Iraqi's. Is that what you class as peaceful?

How is that peaceful?

Let alone all the democratic protests they have suppressed with violence. Let alone the mass human rights abuse towards Iranians, especially Iranian Arabs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_the_Islamic_Republic_of_Iran

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Aug 30, 2017 5:53 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:Well for starters we do it better by not using 'Islamism' which is easily misinterpreted by ESL people as Islam in general.
far more respect is shown for the Muslim community by the general populace and more importantly law enforcement.

Plus like quill mentions we are far more of the attitude of leave the nations of the middle east to their own decisions.  

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

the post show why you are a bigot

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?

No I fully support Helping Britain rid itself of these ignorant backward barbaric Anglos... doesn't it sound good to your ears? I'm sure nicko will rejoice in the news. JUST LIKE any Muslim that reads your bigoted ignorant shitposts Rolling Eyes

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:00 am

grin angel

Funny thing about Dodge's over-generalised fallacious claims about Muslim people, and countries...

Reminds me a lot of various clusters of different Christian groups that I've witnessed over the years, especially certain Anglican, conservative Catholic, and "born again" Evangelist sects..

And not forgetting that crusdading Zionist wing of Judaism that Dodger loves to quote from.

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:32 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

the post show why you are a bigot

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?

No I fully support Helping Britain rid itself of these ignorant backward barbaric Anglos... doesn't it sound good to your ears? I'm sure nicko will rejoice in the news. JUST LIKE any Muslim that reads your bigoted ignorant shitposts Rolling Eyes


Where did I say Muslims or did I say Islam, Islamism?

Did I say and ask if you respect beliefs?

Do you understand the difference?

So the above shows how utterly incompetent you are.

So what you are saying and calling for is ethnic cleansing, making you barbaric. And you have the cheek to call me a bigot after you just called to do what white supremacists want, to rid an ethnic group out of a country. The irony.

Now I will ask you one last time.

Do you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?


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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 30, 2017 6:38 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: grin angel

Funny thing about Dodge's over-generalised fallacious claims about Muslim people, and countries...

Reminds me a lot of various clusters of different Christian groups that I've witnessed over the years, especially certain Anglican, conservative Catholic, and "born again" Evangelist sects..

And not forgetting that crusdading Zionist wing of Judaism that Dodger loves to quote from.

So there is no such thing in Muslim Majority countries as the persecution of religious minorities?
Antisemitism?
Misogamy?
Hatred of and the persecution of homosexuals?
You remind of an imbecile with their head perpetually buried in the sand.

Then you end with something which very much shows how antisemitic you are.
Zionist wing of Judaism???

Now why is it acceptable for you to be anti-Zionist?
Does that make you no better than those anti-Muslim?

Zionism, is simple the belief in a Jewish a movement for (originally) the re-establishment and (now) the development and protection of a Jewish nation in what is now Israel.

It shows you are nothing but an ignorant antisemite

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:17 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

the post show why you are a bigot

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?

No I fully support Helping Britain rid itself of these ignorant backward barbaric Anglos... doesn't it sound good to your ears? I'm sure nicko will rejoice in the news. JUST LIKE any Muslim that reads your bigoted ignorant shitposts Rolling Eyes


Where did I say Muslims or did I say Islam, Islamism?

Did I say and ask if you respect beliefs?

Do you understand the difference?

So the above shows how utterly incompetent you are.

So what you are saying and calling for is ethnic cleansing, making you barbaric. And you have the cheek to call me a bigot after you just called to do what white supremacists want, to rid an ethnic group out of a country. The irony.

Now I will ask you one last time.

Do you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

I support helping people in other nation in times of need, when they ask for it, not Thrusting upon them What I have decided is best. which is what you do..

for example helping the native brits rid themselves of the genocidal murderous child raping Anglo culture, it in their culture and none can be any different since their colonial culture says so. You still have the same crowns and same political system, SHOW ME the guillotines where you removed the rot of angloism for Britain.

like it or not Anglos no better than Muslims in the eyes of the majority of the world.


And LOL at your hypocritical attempt to defend a Jewish State for Jewish laws but claim a Muslim Majority nation should not exist Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Re: Australia islamist terrorist plots foiled

Post by Guest on Wed Aug 30, 2017 7:28 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Where did I say Muslims or did I say Islam, Islamism?

Did I say and ask if you respect beliefs?

Do you understand the difference?

So the above shows how utterly incompetent you are.

So what you are saying and calling for is ethnic cleansing, making you barbaric. And you have the cheek to call me a bigot after you just called to do what white supremacists want, to rid an ethnic group out of a country. The irony.

Now I will ask you one last time.

Do you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

I support helping people in other nation in times of need,  when they ask for it, not Thrusting upon them What I have decided is best. which is what you do..

for example helping the native brits rid themselves of the genocidal murderous child raping Anglo culture, it in their culture and none can be any different since their colonial culture says so. You still have the same crowns and same political system, SHOW ME the guillotines where you removed the rot of angloism for Britain.

like it or not Anglos no better than Muslims in the eyes of the majority of the world.


And LOL at your hypocritical attempt to defend a Jewish State for Jewish laws but claim a Muslim Majority nation should not exist  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

So how many more than the half a million murder by Saddam, would it need for you to think the Iraqi's needed help?

How many more years of murder, oppression under the Taliban would it take for you to believe the people off Afghanistan needed help?

So basically your stance is like Quill, and basically to say fuck you to them.

I mean your view is to not antagonize Muslims.

What did the Yazidi's do to antagonize Islamist's murdering them with genocide?
Enslaving their women and girls as sex slaves

What about Nigerians, with the terrorism and yet again enslavement of their girls as sex slaves with Boko haram?

How many more have to suffer whilst you sit in the sidelines, when we can do something about it?

So now you think all Anglo's, what ever that may be, should be ethnically cleansed. Yes we need to rid all child abusers, but are you claiming white English people by Anglo are all child abusers? And by Anglo do you mean, Saxon, Celtish, Angle, Jute, Norman, Roman, Viking etc?

You then make anglo's comparable to Islamism in the 21st century?

Really, how many terrorist acts by either?

Its so dumb its embarrassing for you to say, when one is a religious group the other an ethnic group and thus inherently racist the views you promote. Being the fact many Australians are also thus anglo, would mean doing the same in Australia

I defend the right of a Self determination of the Jewish people that actually have secular laws, and not Jewish laws, showing your utter ignorance again.

So its clear by the above you are against the state of Israel existing?

Yes or No

Show me anywhere that I have said I am against a Muslim majority country existing?

Never have, so again you simply lie as per usual, mainly as you have the intellect and hate of an extremist

You never answered my question

Do you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Aug 30, 2017 3:57 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: grin angel

Funny thing about Dodge's over-generalised fallacious claims about Muslim people, and countries...

Reminds me a lot of various clusters of different Christian groups that I've witnessed over the years, especially certain Anglican, conservative Catholic, and "born again" Evangelist sects..

And not forgetting that crusdading Zionist wing of Judaism that Dodger loves to quote from.

Yes, he does seem to lose it when he gets on that subject.

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Post by Guest on Wed Aug 30, 2017 4:57 pm

Original Quill wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote: grin angel

Funny thing about Dodge's over-generalised fallacious claims about Muslim people, and countries...

Reminds me a lot of various clusters of different Christian groups that I've witnessed over the years, especially certain Anglican, conservative Catholic, and "born again" Evangelist sects..

And not forgetting that crusdading Zionist wing of Judaism that Dodger loves to quote from.

Yes, he does seem to lose it when he gets on that subject.


When all else fails, and the regressive left cannot counter my points. They always turn to attempt deligitimization and attack the poster instead.

As seen, that just singles you guys raising the white flag..

Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:02 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Islamism, is a form off Islam, full stop. Show me what Quran they use differently?

So you respect beliefs that are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, antisemitism?

So again you believe in not helping people within countries when they have natural disasters, like famine, earthquakes, Tsunamis,  ect?

the post show why you are a bigot

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?

No I fully support Helping Britain rid itself of these ignorant backward barbaric Anglos... doesn't it sound good to your ears? I'm sure nicko will rejoice in the news. JUST LIKE any Muslim that reads your bigoted ignorant shitposts Rolling Eyes

I seem to remember you having a go at all Christians actually and lumping them all together. What a pity you're such a hypocrite.

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Post by nicko on Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:06 pm

Raggs, when he grows up and gets out of nappies he might see the World as it really is, not just the bit of the outback he lives in !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Aug 30, 2017 8:28 pm

Veya said...

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?





Islam makes the rules for the Muslim followers...

Are you saying that Muslims shouldn't follow the rules of Islam...?

And that 'good Muslims' are those who don't follow the rules of Islam...?

While those who do, are bad...?


Laughing


Are you really saying that Islam is good... but those who follow it properly are bad... and those who don't follow it properly are good...!!!???


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Aug 31, 2017 2:50 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Yes, he does seem to lose it when he gets on that subject.


When all else fails, and the regressive left cannot counter my points. They always turn to attempt deligitimization and attack the poster instead.

As seen, that just singles you guys raising the white flag..

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Neutral

You really are a disgusting tosspot,  Dodge...

It's the brave little fascist cowards like you who cave in first...
Living your faux patriotism through those crusading alt.right and Zionist blather_sites..

It's the spineless little wimps like you who can't even be bothered doing a minimum of service for your country, who will always be first in line to "raise the white flag"..
You snivelling, gormless little maggot...          

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Post by Guest on Thu Aug 31, 2017 3:04 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Thorin wrote:


When all else fails, and the regressive left cannot counter my points. They always turn to attempt deligitimization and attack the poster instead.

As seen, that just singles you guys raising the white flag..

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I am a disgusting lying tosspot,  Thorin...

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Aug 31, 2017 7:21 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?





Islam makes the rules for the Muslim followers...

Are you saying that Muslims shouldn't follow the rules of Islam...?

And that 'good Muslims' are those who don't follow the rules of Islam...?

While those who do, are bad...?


Laughing


Are you really saying that Islam is good... but those who follow it properly are bad... and those who don't follow it properly are good...!!!???


Laughing


Any answer yet, Veya...?



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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Sep 01, 2017 8:50 pm

Veya...?


Any answer yet...?


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Post by Syl on Fri Sep 01, 2017 9:06 pm

Thorin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Neutral

I am a disgusting lying tosspot,  Thorin...

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Yes I know you are

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:44 pm

Thorin wrote:I really like younger boys, ya know.

Shocked Holy crap!! You mean the rumors are true?

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Sep 01, 2017 11:45 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:I really like younger boys, ya know.

Shocked   Holy crap!!  You mean the rumors are true?

See how easy it is?

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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:19 am

Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:I really like younger boys, ya know.

Shocked   Holy crap!!  You mean the rumors are true?


Do you not remember what got you put in the basement before?

Its one thing to take back the mick over things people are abusive on as I did with wolf, its another to claim they are into young boys, but you have no conception of boundaries. As all I did was reverse what Wolf had say to me back to him.

I will just let others see for themselves, you are clearly still upset how I made you look so stupid yesterday. You had nothing to counter but accuse people of being a Nazi. That you now stoop even lower with the above

Showing you have lost the plot

Hey ho, you just further prove my point how overly emotive you are.

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Post by veya_victaous on Sat Sep 02, 2017 7:12 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?





Islam makes the rules for the Muslim followers...

Are you saying that Muslims shouldn't follow the rules of Islam...?

And that 'good Muslims' are those who don't follow the rules of Islam...?

While those who do, are bad...?


Laughing


Are you really saying that Islam is good... but those who follow it properly are bad... and those who don't follow it properly are good...!!!???


Laughing

yes... that is exactly the same as Christianity
Follow it literally and it is bad

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 02, 2017 12:33 pm

Not quite the same at all...


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Post by nicko on Sat Sep 02, 2017 1:38 pm

Don't remember Christians cutting off heads, cutting Babies in half, Machine gunning prisoners, Raping young girls etc , perhaps you should show where it's happening?
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Post by Original Quill on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:03 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Shocked   Holy crap!!  You mean the rumors are true?


Do you not remember what got you put in the basement before?

Yes, hence my warning to you.

Thorin wrote:Its one thing to take back the mick over things people are abusive on as I did with wolf, its another to claim they are into young boys, but you have no conception of boundaries. As all I did was reverse what Wolf had say to me back to him.

Yes, now that we see it's all about whose ox gets gored, you're all excuses.  Now suddenly you are all up in arms when the tables are turned on you, and all humble pie over you doing the same to wolf.  That's another version of, look over there, don't look over here!

Thorin wrote:I will just let others see for themselves, you are clearly still upset how I made you look so stupid yesterday. You had nothing to counter but accuse people of being a Nazi. That you now stoop even lower with the above

Yes...that's right.  Oh, the value of the gang you've been gathering.  I've noticed your grooming activities (your wonderful thor...or no, you're the one who is wonderful...oh no, no, no, it's you, etc., etc.. puke).  Impressive.  And, here we see you calling out for their help...I was wondering when that would happen.

But with you, one has only to wait before your in another hate-fest with someone else.  Then it's just...fold the arms, sit back and watch with bemusement and a nod.   Wink

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:38 pm

nicko wrote:
Don't remember Christians cutting off heads, cutting Babies in half, Machine gunning prisoners, Raping young girls etc , perhaps you should show where it's happening?

Rolling Eyes

Tommy and nicko have both obviously never heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, various "witch trials", or those good "Pilgrim Fathers" and "Christian missionaries" taming various 'heathen savages', over the centuries..


Christians,  Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Vikings, Mormons, ancient Egyptians...

Many religions have been murdering, raping, torturing and pillaging in the name of whatever Gods were in favour at the time..

It's only a matter of looking back far enough.

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Post by Guest on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:45 pm

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Yes, hence my warning to you.

Thorin wrote:Its not a warning to me, as if I was bothered to report this, you would be in the basement, as you were last time. I simple cannot be bothered and would rather allow others to see the imbecile you have become. They are simple words to me and mean nothing, but it shows how you continually are happy to cross the line when you are emotionally compromised.

Yes, now that we see it's all about whose ox gets gored, you're all excuses.  Now suddenly you are all up in arms when the tables are turned on you, and all humble pie over you doing the same to wolf.  That's another version of, look over there, don't look over here!

Thorin wrote:I have no objection to you changing my words. Its about how yet again when you are wound up and emotional you spout off really below the belt things, like claiming here I am into younger boys. It simple shows you are a child at best mentally

Yes...that's right.  Oh, the value of the gang you've been gathering.  I've noticed your grooming activities (your wonderful thor...or no, you're the one who is wonderful...oh no, no, no, it's you, etc., etc.. puke).  Impressive.  And, here we see you calling out for their help...I was wondering when that would happen.

But with you, one has only to wait before your in another hate-fest with someone else.  Then it's just...fold the arms, sit back and watch with bemusement and a nod.   Wink


You then do it again with adding the word grooming when I never am biased and stand up for any here when wrong, which includes both you and wolf.

The reality is Quill, more and more will see your antics and will come to see you as far from intellectual, but clearly a boy who thinks his nose has been stolen.

So please continue. I am happy for you to continue to expose yourself to the forum, or who you are.


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Wolf wrote:Tommy and nicko have both obviously never heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, various "witch trials", or those good "Pilgrim Fathers" and "Christian missionaries" taming various 'heathen savages', over the centuries..

Their knowledge of such things could fit in thimbles.

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Wolf wrote:Tommy and nicko have both obviously never heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, various "witch trials", or those good "Pilgrim Fathers" and "Christian missionaries" taming various 'heathen savages', over the centuries..

Their knowledge of such things could fit in thimbles.


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Post by nicko on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:50 pm

Wolfie, I'v heard about the Crusades etc, i'm talking about the "hear and now" , or are you like veya, who lives in the past when todays atrocities are mentioned?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Sep 02, 2017 4:54 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:Veya said...

So all Muslims are anti-homosexual, anti-women, anti-religious minorities, anti-Semitism?
Muslims are not humans they have no free will of their own person and mindlessly follow a book?





Islam makes the rules for the Muslim followers...

Are you saying that Muslims shouldn't follow the rules of Islam...?

And that 'good Muslims' are those who don't follow the rules of Islam...?

While those who do, are bad...?


Laughing


Are you really saying that Islam is good... but those who follow it properly are bad... and those who don't follow it properly are good...!!!???


Laughing

yes... that is exactly the same as Christianity
Follow it literally and it is bad


So you are admitting that Islam is fundamentally bad and those who follow it properly are also bad...!?


Thanks for being honest about that at last...!!!


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nicko wrote:Wolfie, I'v heard about the Crusades etc,    i'm talking about the "hear and now" ,    or are you like veya, who lives in the past when todays atrocities are mentioned?

Nicko, the "hear (sic) and now" is just tomorrow's yesterday.  If every criminal could say, Oh, but that was "in the past...", we would have no one in prison.

What a concept.

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Post by nicko on Sat Sep 02, 2017 6:22 pm

You don't really get the point ,do you?
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nicko wrote:You don't really get the point ,do you?

OK, we begin with your assertion that there is a difference in culpability between the past and the present.  Now imagine it as an affirmative defense in a criminal proceeding:

Defendant: But judge, that was yesterday that I murdered that woman.  In the here and now I'm innocent.

Judge: Why, by god you're right...that woman you murdered was yesterday.  This is today.  Under the law of the 'here and now' you're as innocent as a cherry blossom today... begone, m'lad.  Case closed.

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nicko wrote:You don't really get the point ,do you?

OK, we begin with your assertion that there is a difference in culpability between the past and the present.  Now imagine it as an affirmative defense in a criminal proceeding:

Defendant: But judge, that was yesterday that I murdered that woman.  In the here and now I'm innocent.

Judge: Why, by god you're right...that woman you murdered was yesterday.  This is today.  Under the law of the here and now you're as innocent as a cherry blossom today... begone, m'lad.  Case closed.


Absurd reasoning.

Wolf is talking about people long since dead.

Not a crime within living memory. Or one that a sentence has been served or not yet served.

Nicko is talking about crimes within living memory

The point is there is Christian, Buddhist etc crimes within living memory and even today. The point is, you have not knowledge to point it out what they are. 

The reality is, there is less and less crime found from within many other religions. Within Islam, it has not Stopped since Muhammad engaged in wars and even after he died. His successors and followers immediately started to fight among themselves, continuing unabated to this very day.

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It's a waste of time talking to Quill sometimes.
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:57 am

nicko wrote:
Wolfie, I'v heard about the Crusades etc,    i'm talking about the "hear and now" ,    or are you like veya, who lives in the past when todays atrocities are mentioned?

Rolling Eyes

Why is it that so many people will go back over 1500 years of Muslim history to look at their sins...

Or the past few hundred years with Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan..

But mention British colonial history, and all of a sudden the good English folk on here will claim that nobody should look at what their great-great-great-great-grandparents might have done ?

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Post by Guest on Sun Sep 03, 2017 7:13 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Wolfie, I'v heard about the Crusades etc,    i'm talking about the "hear and now" ,    or are you like veya, who lives in the past when todays atrocities are mentioned?

Rolling Eyes

Why is it that so many people will go back over 1500 years of Muslim history to look at their sins...

Or the past few hundred years with Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan..

But mention British colonial history,  and all of a sudden the good English folk on here will claim that nobody should look at what their great-great-great-great-grandparents might have done  ?

Well lets look at that.

My mother is Irish and her parents did not hate the British and my Grandfather served in the Battleaxe Division, throughout North Africa, Italy and Austria in WW2. The Irish has been one of the most persecuted people by the English and yet as seen, can look past previous wrongs. So its not about looking at my sins, but the fact that since the conception of Islam. Where it was founded by a warlord and formed through violence, that has continued unabated to this very day. That everyone has a right to question what is for all intents and purposes. A political hateful ideology. Conceived in order to control people through fear.

We remember the past wrongs from British colonialism and look to not make those same mistakes from before. Yet within Islam, they are continually doing them over and over again. Islam was basically spread by the sword and formed the first colonialism with Arabization. Yet funnily enough, everyone seems to overlook this all the time.

Hence your post has no comparability. As seen my family had moved on from past wrongs done to their ancestors and not looked to constantly be a victim of history. If you live in the past never understanding this and even worse never learning from this. Then you will be perpetually stuck in the past. Which is what Islam has continually done. Only now do we see some flicker of hope in certain Muslim majority countries. That actually have moved on from the past and hope that many more do the same. If you continually seek to be a victim of your ancestors past, never recognizing the wrongs also done by them. Then you will forever remain backwards and never truly learn anything.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:10 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Wolfie, I'v heard about the Crusades etc,    i'm talking about the "hear and now" ,    or are you like veya, who lives in the past when todays atrocities are mentioned?

Rolling Eyes

Why is it that so many people will go back over 1500 years of Muslim history to look at their sins...

Or the past few hundred years with Russia, Germany, Italy, Japan..

But mention British colonial history,  and all of a sudden the good English folk on here will claim that nobody should look at what their great-great-great-great-grandparents might have done  ?

It's generally the other way round on here. Some people bang on and on about what happened centuries ago re English people, but when it comes to Islam they don't want to talk about that. I don't think that anyone should bang on too much about the past. We should talk about the present.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Don't remember Christians cutting off heads, cutting Babies in half, Machine gunning prisoners, Raping young girls etc , perhaps you should show where it's happening?

Rolling Eyes

Tommy and nicko have both obviously never heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, various "witch trials", or those good "Pilgrim Fathers" and "Christian missionaries" taming various 'heathen savages', over the centuries..


Christians,  Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Vikings, Mormons, ancient Egyptians...

Many religions have been murdering, raping, torturing and pillaging in the name of whatever Gods were in favour at the time..

It's only a matter of looking back far enough.

Now you're banging on about things which happened ages ago.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:57 pm

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Rolling Eyes

Tommy and nicko have both obviously never heard of the Crusades, the Spanish Inquisition, various "witch trials", or those good "Pilgrim Fathers" and "Christian missionaries" taming various 'heathen savages', over the centuries..


Christians,  Muslims, Hindus, Taoists, Vikings, Mormons, ancient Egyptians...

Many religions have been murdering, raping, torturing and pillaging in the name of whatever Gods were in favour at the time..

It's only a matter of looking back far enough.

Now you're banging on about things which happened ages ago.

So what? Time is just motion. Motion keeps bringing us back to who we really are.

Turn...turn....turn....

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Now you're banging on about things which happened ages ago.

So what?  Time is just motion.  Motion keeps bringing us back to who we really are.

Turn...turn....turn....

He was criticising people who bang on about things which happened years ago earlier. It's all a bit inconsistent.

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Post by Miffs2 on Sun Sep 03, 2017 4:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

So what?  Time is just motion.  Motion keeps bringing us back to who we really are.

Turn...turn....turn....

He was criticising people who bang on about things which happened years ago earlier. It's all a bit inconsistent.

Very inconsistent, you can't excuse Muslim atrocities by saying Christians used to do bad things long ago. No matter how hard some try.
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Post by Original Quill on Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:49 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

So what?  Time is just motion.  Motion keeps bringing us back to who we really are.

Turn...turn....turn....

He was criticising people who bang on about things which happened years ago earlier. It's all a bit inconsistent.

Time is an illusion.  What difference does it make?  "Years ago..." or "just yesterday"...it makes no difference.  The national character doesn't change.

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Raggamuffin wrote:

He was criticising people who bang on about things which happened years ago earlier. It's all a bit inconsistent.

Time is an illusion.  What difference does it make?  "Years ago..." or "just yesterday"...it makes no difference.  The national character doesn't change.

That's not the point. You'd better ask him about that - he's the one contradicting himself. I don't care that much tbh - I try to live in the present.

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Time is an illusion.  What difference does it make?  "Years ago..." or "just yesterday"...it makes no difference.  The national character doesn't change.

That's not the point. You'd better ask him about that - he's the one contradicting himself. I don't care that much tbh - I try to live in the present.

I appreciate your trying to back out of the discussion. None of it matters, however...the issue is national character.

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That's not the point. You'd better ask him about that - he's the one contradicting himself. I don't care that much tbh - I try to live in the present.

I appreciate your trying to back out of the discussion.  None of it matters, however...the issue is national character.

Tell that to Wolfman. I didn't start a discussion about the past - someone else did, probably you.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
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I appreciate your trying to back out of the discussion.  None of it matters, however...the issue is national character.

Tell that to Wolfman. I didn't start a discussion about the past - someone else did, probably you.

I know exactly what wolf means.  Tommy has continually tried to divert this into an historical discussion, thereby distancing his kind from the subject matter.  The conversation won't be diverted.  It's about national character, not history.

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No i haven't...!

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Okay.

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