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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 12, 2017 11:25 pm

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The New York Times wrote:Car Hits Crowd After White Nationalist Rally in Charlottesville Ends in Violence
By SHERYL GAY STOLBERG and BRIAN M. ROSENTHALAUG. 12, 2017

CHARLOTTESVILLE, Va. — Violence erupted on Saturday as hundreds of white nationalists had gathered here for a rally and clashed with counterprotesters, resulting in at least one death and prompting the governor to declare a state of emergency.

After the rally at a city park was dispersed, a car plowed into a crowd near the city’s downtown mall, killing at least one person and injuring at least 19 others, according to a spokeswoman for the University of Virginia Medical Center. The authorities did not immediately say whether the episode was related to the white nationalists’ demonstration, but several witnesses and video of the scene suggested that it might have been intentional.

Emergency medical personnel treated eight people, the Charlottesville Police Department said. It was not immediately clear how severely they had been hurt. Several area hospitals did not return telephone calls seeking information.

Witnesses said a crowd of counterdemonstrators, jubilant because the white nationalists had left, was moving up Fourth Street, near the mall, when a gray sports car came down the road and accelerated, mowing down several people and hurling at least two in the air.

“It was probably the scariest thing I’ve ever seen in my life,” said Robert Armengol, who was at the scene reporting for a podcast he hosts with students at the University of Virginia. “After that it was pandemonium. The car hit reverse and sped and everybody who was up the street in my direction started running.”

Saturday afternoon, after initially issuing a brief denunciation on Twitter, President Trump, speaking at the start of a veterans’ event at his golf club in Bedminister, N.J., again addressed what he described as “the terrible events unfolding in Charlottesville, Virginia.”

In his comments, President Trump condemned the bloody protests, but he did not specifically criticize the white nationalist rally and its neo-Nazi slogans beyond blaming “hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides.”

“It’s been going on for a long time in our country, it’s not Donald Trump, it’s not Barack Obama,” said Mr. Trump, adding that he had been in contact with Virginia officials. After calling for the “swift restoration of law and order,” he offered a call for unity among Americans of “all races, creeds and colors.”

The demonstration, which both organizers and critics had said was the largest gathering of white nationalists in recent years, was organized to protest the planned removal of a statue of Robert E. Lee from a city park that once bore the name of the Confederate general, but was renamed Emancipation Park.

The turmoil in Charlottesville began with a march Friday night by white nationalists on the campus of the University of Virginia and escalated Saturday morning as demonstrators from both sides gathered in the park. Waving Confederate flags, chanting Nazi-era slogans, wearing helmets and carrying shields, the white nationalists converged on the Lee statue and began chanting phrases like “You will not replace us” and “Jews will not replace us.”

Hundreds of counterprotesters — religious leaders, Black Lives Matter activists and anti-fascist groups known as “antifa” — quickly surrounded the crowd, singing spirituals, chanting and carrying their own signs.

The morning started peacefully, with the white nationalists gathering in McIntire Park, outside downtown, and the counterdemonstrators — including Cornel R. West, the Harvard University professor and political activist — gathering at the First Baptist Church, a historically African-American church here. Professor West, who addressed the group at a sunrise prayer service, said he had come “bearing witness to love and justice in the face of white supremacy.”

At McIntire Park, the white nationalists waved Confederate flags and other banners. As a photographer took pictures, one of them, who gave his name only as Ted because he said he might want to run for political office some day, said he was from Missouri, and added, “I’m tired of seeing white people pushed around.”

But by 11 a.m., after both sides had made their way to Emancipation Park, the scene had exploded into taunting, shoving and outright brawling.

Barricades encircling the park and separating the two sides began to come down, and the police temporarily retreated. People were seen clubbing one another in the streets, and pepper spray filled the air. One of the white nationalists left the park bleeding, his head wrapped in gauze.

Declaring the gathering an unlawful assembly, the police had cleared the area before noon, and the Virginia National Guard arrived as officers began arresting some who remained. But fears lingered that the altercation would start again nearby, as demonstrators dispersed in smaller groups.

Within an hour, politicians, including Gov. Terry McAuliffe, a Democrat, and the House speaker, Paul D. Ryan of Wisconsin, a Republican, had condemned the violence.

The first public response from the White House came from the first lady, Melania Trump, who wrote on Twitter: “Our country encourages freedom of speech, but let’s communicate w/o hate in our hearts. No good comes from violence.”

Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Justice Department agents would support local and state officials in an investigation of Saturday’s events.

“This kind of violence is totally contrary to American values and can never be tolerated,” Mr. Sessions said in a statement.

After the rally was dispersed, its organizer, Jason Kessler, who calls himself a “white advocate,” complained in an interview that his group had been “forced into a very chaotic situation.” He added, “The police were supposed to be there protecting us and they stood down.”

The street fights were the latest in a series of tense dramas unfolding across the United States over plans to remove statues and other historical markers of the Confederacy. The battles have been intensified by the election of Mr. Trump, who enjoys fervent support from white nationalists.

Adding to the turmoil, the Federal Aviation Administration said late Saturday that a Virginia State Police helicopter had crashed about seven miles southwest of Charlottesville. The cause of the crash and whether anyone was injured was not immediately known.

Here in Charlottesville, the protest, billed as a “Unite the Right” rally, was the culmination of a year and a half of debate in Charlottesville over the fate of the Lee statue. A movement to remove it began when an African-American high school student here started a petition. The City Council voted 3 to 2 in April to sell it, but a judge issued an injunction temporarily stopping the move.

The city had been bracing for a sea of alt-right demonstrators, and on Friday night, hundreds of them, carrying lit torches, marched on the picturesque grounds of the University of Virginia, founded in 1819 by Thomas Jefferson. The group included prominent white nationalist figures like Richard Spencer and David Duke, a former imperial wizard of the Ku Klux Klan.

“We’re going to fulfill the promises of Donald Trump” to “take our country back,” Mr. Duke told reporters Saturday. Many of the white nationalist protesters carried campaign signs for Mr. Trump.

Mr. Duke strongly criticized Mr. Trump later in the day after the president condemned the violence.

University officials said one person was arrested and charged Friday night with assault and disorderly conduct, and several others were injured. Among those hurt was a university police officer injured while making the arrest, the school said in a statement.

Teresa A. Sullivan, the president of the university, strongly condemned the Friday demonstration in a statement, calling it “disturbing and unacceptable.”

Still, officials allowed the Saturday protest to go on — until the injuries began piling up.

The city of Charlottesville declared a state of emergency around 11 a.m., citing an “imminent threat of civil disturbance, unrest, potential injury to persons, and destruction of public and personal property.”

Governor McAuliffe followed with his own declaration an hour later.

“It is now clear that public safety cannot be safeguarded without additional powers, and that the mostly-out-of-state protesters have come to Virginia to endanger our citizens and property,” he said in a statement. “I am disgusted by the hatred, bigotry and violence these protesters have brought to our state over the past 24 hours.”

The Republican candidate for governor in Virginia, Ed Gillespie, issued his own statement denouncing the protests as “vile hate” that has “no place in our Commonwealth.”

Mr. Ryan agreed. “The views fueling the spectacle in Charlottesville are repugnant,” he said on Twitter. “Let it only serve to unite Americans against this kind of vile bigotry.”

Trump declares victory.  cheers  "More of my people showed up than Democrats," he said.  

"Don't spare their heads," the president told a small group of RW marchers.    scratch

"Remember," the Trumpster reminded everyone, "Virginia is an 'open carry' state.  Get to work."
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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:07 pm

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Link please?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:25 pm

Gossiping about other forums? Naughty!

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Gossiping about other forums? Naughty!



Extremely naughty, but most definitely worth it... Laughing

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:32 pm

ooohhhh...spank me ...spank me




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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:33 pm

actually I did think the better of putting here...and changed the post...Thorin was too bloody quick for me though and quoted it ...DOHHH

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:35 pm

Lord Foul wrote:ooohhhh...spank me ...spank me




On a Friday night? I don't think so. Laughing

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:37 pm

awwww...sniffle sniffle Sad

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Aug 18, 2017 9:42 pm

ahhh Ragga...you couldnt resist could you.....

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Lord Foul wrote:ahhh Ragga...you couldnt resist could you.....

Of course I couldn't. Laughing

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 19, 2017 3:38 am

Thorin wrote:Voltaire was speaking at a time of Revolution when people were having their heads chopped off to then later the revolution of Napoleon. So not sure how you can class it as speech acts, when people were liable to get their heads cut off for disagreeing.

I don't really care about Voltaire. Tommy brought him up as the source of his quote. Voltaire (1694-1778) was writing when the so-called Enlightment movement had not split.

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Thorin wrote:Voltaire was speaking at a time of Revolution when people were having their heads chopped off to then later the revolution of Napoleon. So not sure how you can class it as speech acts, when people were liable to get their heads cut off for disagreeing.

I don't really care about Voltaire.  Tommy brought him up as the source of his quote.  Voltaire (1694-1778) was writing when the so-called Enlightment movement had not split.


You made that clear in the last post, but I am more interested in the parts you did not answer in my reply to you.

So here there are again.

On your second point, there is certainly white supremacist terrorist groups in the US. Which i stand completely against such racist groups.

Now many far left groups support and promote hate against Jews also in the US. In fact there has been recent rallies where a convicted terrorist, Rasmea Odeh ( who the US deported). Who was part of a terrorist group that murdered two Israeli students. Who calls for the destruction of Israel, has been praised by the left at rallies. Is that racist hate against Israeli's? Where was the left to condemn her, or is it only okay to murder Jews in Israel, not Nazis Germany? You see most normalize this hate, as they then make an even more absurd view, that Israel is comparable to Nazi Germany. To thus make themselves think this hate is acceptable. Its like where ISIS members are so brainwashed they think its normal to rape and enslave little girls. Based off Islamic written works.

Israel certainly does wrongs and should be condemned for them, but it is far removed from being comparable to Nazi Germany. Its nothing like Nazi Germany. Though people make themselves believe it is, to thus make it acceptable and normalize thinking its okay to murder/hate Israeli's, whether Jews, Arabs, Druze ect. I see no difference with Far left antisemitism, to that of white supremacist antisemitism. No different to Jewish extremists settlers, no different to Hamas.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Aug 19, 2017 11:39 am

Idea

Notice that former KKK grand poobah David Duke appears to have borrowed (or stolen..) the Dumpster's orange hair dye  !?!

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:08 pm

Thorin wrote:You made that clear in the last post, but I am more interested in the parts you did not answer in my reply to you.

I answered everything.  You asked about Voltaire and how he fit into the discussion of speech-acts.  I said he didn't, he was before.  Read what I said previously:

Original Quill wrote:It's a traditional chant that you hear from old-school liberals.  It was spoken before people realized that words can be speech-acts as well as speech-content.

You have to understand historical context in order to understand the 'before/after' of idioms.  If a voice was before a certain historical context--how to put it: it just wasn't on his mind.  Voltaire died in 1778.  The French Enlightenment was prior to Toqueville's Tyranny of the Majority chapter, published in 1835. Toqueville's thesis was push-back on the naive principles of the Enlightenment, and preceded awareness of various forms of speech. The analytical discussions on free speech came much later and Voltaire's maxim was old-school.

The short answer to your question as to how Voltaire fit into the later discussion: he didn't.


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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:21 pm

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Thorin wrote:You made that clear in the last post, but I am more interested in the parts you did not answer in my reply to you.

I answered everything.  You asked about Voltaire and how he fit into the discussion of speech-acts.  I said he didn't, he was before.

You have to understand historical context in order to understand the 'before/after' of idioms.  If a voice was before a certain historical context--how to put it: it just wasn't on his mind.  Voltaire died in 1778.  The French Enlightenment was prior to Toqueville's Tyranny of the Majority chapter, published in 1835. Toqueville's thesis was push-back on the naive principles of the Enlightenment, and preceded awareness of various forms of speech.

The short answer to your question as to how Voltaire fit into the later discussion: he didn't.

He completely fits in and lived at a far more violent time and yet spoke out on the principle of free speech.
There was certainly racism within the day of Voltaire and slavery existed at the time.
So to say he does not fit into the discussion is pure gibberish. The only difference is that little was known about the origins of humans back then as we know it today. He was a Polygenist, where most of his anti views were directed at religion.

So to say his views do not apply today, is a complete washout and even more so when the simple standard he applies, still can easily apply today. As again free speech is something everyone has a right too, though on some speech there is consequences today, if you incite hatred. The reality is to say it does not apply today, means you are not an advocate of Free speech. A Liberal value, making you an illiberal, if you do not back Free speech and thus Voltaire. Many on the left do not defend Free Speech today. Mainly as they show a Totalitarian and Illiberal attitude.

Its also not down to you to say what does and what does not apply today. You may disagree, but that is just your opinion

I see you failed to answer my other points

So as you have ducked out of doing so, then there is little point further discussinng

So enjoy, but don't expect a further reply on this, when you continue to avoid answering questions directed at you.


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:25 pm

Thorin wrote:He completely fits in and lived at a far more violent time and yet spoke out on the principle of free speech.

But he wasn't around when the subject came up. It wasn't on his mind.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:34 pm

I guess Quill has never read

"Treatise on Tolerance"

So in this he backs the toleration of religious belief, but also reserving the right to argue against it, and condemning religious fanaticism or what we call today extremism.

Clearly an advocate of Free speech, as he is arguing for this.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 19, 2017 4:56 pm

Thorin wrote:I guess Quill has never read

"Treatise on Tolerance"

So in this he backs the toleration of religious belief, but also reserving the right to argue against it, and condemning religious fanaticism or what we call today extremism.

Clearly an advocate of Free speech, as he is arguing for this.

A work written in 1763 is as relevant to a discussion on positivist philosophy of language, as Plato's Dialogues are to a discussion on nuclear deterrence.

You're just trying to impress us with titles, however not contributing to the discussion at hand.

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Original Quill wrote:
Thorin wrote:I guess Quill has never read

"Treatise on Tolerance"

So in this he backs the toleration of religious belief, but also reserving the right to argue against it, and condemning religious fanaticism or what we call today extremism.

Clearly an advocate of Free speech, as he is arguing for this.

A work written in 1763 is as relevant to a discussion on positivist philosophy of language, as Plato's Dialogues are to a discussion on nuclear deterrence.

You're just trying to impress us with titles, however not contributing to the discussion at hand.




PMSL at that load of crap, as its very relevant and it shows you have no idea on his philosophy

No point further trying to explain to someone so close minded

Again you do not decide what is relevant

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 19, 2017 6:03 pm

Thorin wrote:PMSL at that load of crap, as its very relevant and it shows you have no idea on his philosophy

No point further trying to explain to someone so close minded

So...you're not going to enlighten us?  How is it you can ask questions, yet you are incapable of carrying on a discussion about your topic?

Disappointing.

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Thorin wrote:PMSL at that load of crap, as its very relevant and it shows you have no idea on his philosophy

No point further trying to explain to someone so close minded

So...you're not going to enlighten us?  How is it you can ask questions, yet you are incapable of carrying on a discussion about your topic?

Disappointing.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Aug 19, 2017 8:26 pm

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I don't really care about Voltaire.  Tommy brought him up as the source of his quote.  Voltaire (1694-1778) was writing when the so-called Enlightment movement had not split.


You made that clear in the last post, but I am more interested in the parts you did not answer in my reply to you.

So here there are again.

On your second point, there is certainly white supremacist terrorist groups in the US. Which i stand completely against such racist groups.

Now many far left groups support and promote hate against Jews also in the US. In fact there has been recent rallies where a convicted terrorist,  Rasmea Odeh ( who the US deported). Who was part of a terrorist group that murdered two Israeli students. Who calls for the destruction of Israel, has been praised by the left at rallies. Is that racist hate against Israeli's? Where was the left to condemn her, or is it only okay to murder Jews in Israel, not Nazis Germany? You see most normalize this hate, as they then make an even more absurd view, that Israel is comparable to Nazi Germany. To thus make themselves think this hate is acceptable. Its like where ISIS members are so brainwashed they think its normal to rape and enslave little girls. Based off Islamic written works.

Israel certainly does wrongs and should be condemned for them, but it is far removed from being comparable to Nazi Germany. Its nothing like Nazi Germany. Though people make themselves believe it is, to thus make it acceptable and normalize thinking its okay to murder/hate Israeli's, whether Jews, Arabs, Druze ect. I see no difference with Far left antisemitism, to that of white supremacist antisemitism. No different to Jewish extremists settlers, no different to Hamas.


The quote wasn't actually something Voltaire said... it was a quote from a book that was written about him in the early 1900's...


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Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:


You made that clear in the last post, but I am more interested in the parts you did not answer in my reply to you.

So here there are again.

On your second point, there is certainly white supremacist terrorist groups in the US. Which i stand completely against such racist groups.

Now many far left groups support and promote hate against Jews also in the US. In fact there has been recent rallies where a convicted terrorist,  Rasmea Odeh ( who the US deported). Who was part of a terrorist group that murdered two Israeli students. Who calls for the destruction of Israel, has been praised by the left at rallies. Is that racist hate against Israeli's? Where was the left to condemn her, or is it only okay to murder Jews in Israel, not Nazis Germany? You see most normalize this hate, as they then make an even more absurd view, that Israel is comparable to Nazi Germany. To thus make themselves think this hate is acceptable. Its like where ISIS members are so brainwashed they think its normal to rape and enslave little girls. Based off Islamic written works.

Israel certainly does wrongs and should be condemned for them, but it is far removed from being comparable to Nazi Germany. Its nothing like Nazi Germany. Though people make themselves believe it is, to thus make it acceptable and normalize thinking its okay to murder/hate Israeli's, whether Jews, Arabs, Druze ect. I see no difference with Far left antisemitism, to that of white supremacist antisemitism. No different to Jewish extremists settlers, no different to Hamas.


The quote wasn't actually something Voltaire said... it was a quote from a book that was written about him in the early 1900's...




This is very true Tommy, something I am well aware of, but he is still a Philosopher of Free Speech within his works.

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Evening Didge... my post was to correct Quill on the source of the quote...



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Re: War in Virginia

Post by Guest on Sat Aug 19, 2017 9:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Evening Didge... my post was to correct Quill on the source of the quote...




Evening Tommy.

Indeed you were correct to do so, but you may find this very interesting on this. As it seems its difficult to pin down who actually said this.

https://quoteinvestigator.com/2015/06/01/defend-say/

My part was to show Quill is wrong to dismiss Voltaire, based on his Philosophy as well

Have a good evening Tommy, may catch you later.

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