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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:54 am

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Sports Direct has faced yet another row over how its staff area treated after issuing a notice which appeared to ban staff in one of its Welsh branches from speaking their own language.

A sign appeared in the Bangor Sports Direct store telling staff members that “it has come to our attention that some members of staff are speaking to each other in languages other than English whilst carrying out their duty”.

It continued: “We would like to take this opportunity to remind staff that they must speak in English at all times while they are at work, in order that they can be understood by all members of staff; this includes any personal conversations that may be taking place during work time.


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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:29 pm

Syl wrote:
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Can you show me its a majority that called for this or even if anyone complained?

This was born from ignorance as has been the arguments from yourself, Rags and Horatio, as they are born from intolerance.


Can you show me that only a minority objected?

I do not need to as you are the one that made the claim on complaints.

This the onus is on you to back your point.

Its still intolerance.

As again denying people in private conversations is being intolerant towards them and as seen its based off bullshit views. Again if people get along at work and speak together or in private. Then there is not an issue. What you have done is invent a claim people are being excluded, if they do not join them in every conversation. Which is bullshit. If people are excluded, they are excluded from all general chat conversations, whether they are speaking in English or not. Hence the intolerance being shown to those who sometimes speak privately in their own language.

Tolerance of intolerance is cowardice.


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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:29 pm

I spend weeks in Wales every summer, and I shop a lot.
I can honestly say in every shop I go in, be they little local shops or the bigger supermarkets I have never heard any staff member speak to another staff member in any language other than English.

Maybe this rule is applied throughout the shops in N Wales or maybe its because the Welsh workers don't speak welsh anyway....but that's my experience.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:30 pm

Lord Foul wrote:notice those agreeing with this are women?

i reckon there are interesting psychosocial observations to be had from that Laughing



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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:32 pm

Syl wrote:I spend weeks in Wales every summer, and I shop a lot.
I can honestly say in every shop I go in, be they little local shops or the bigger supermarkets I have never heard any staff member speak to another staff member in any language other than English.

Maybe this rule is applied throughout the shops in N Wales or maybe its because the Welsh workers don't speak welsh anyway....but that's my experience.

Who cares Syl?

Are you the standard to set for everyone?

Victor has already stated he has heard people speak in Welsh

So we have two conflicting views.

The point is this rule is being born out of a poor idea, that ends up being intolerant, as if only those foreign are excluding other workers, if sometimes they speak in their language together. Hence its based on bullshit and singling out those foreign on this. If people exclude each other, its because they do not get along full stop.


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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:33 pm

Off now..its been a robust debate. Laughing

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:34 pm

Syl wrote:Off now..its been a robust debate. Laughing

Hwyl  fawr. x

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:45 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Cysgu'n dda Syl

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 7:48 pm

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Post by eddie on Tue Aug 08, 2017 8:14 pm

Just as an aside....I had a bunch of Bulgarian buddies I used to go to aerobics with (it was a Bulgarian friend of mine who ran it) and I had absolutely no problem with not knowing what was being said, I actually quite liked it. IF they ever got into a conversion in Bulgarian they would quite often say to me "Oh sorry,  we were just saying..." and I'd say "I actually don't care that I don't know what you're saying guys" cos I didn't.

I quite listening to a language I don't know waft over me. I'm rather odd like that.


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Post by Miffs2 on Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:47 pm

Put simply, it's bad manners
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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:51 pm

Miffs2 wrote:Put simply, it's bad manners


Because you have decided its bad?

So put simple, that is yet again an excuse to deny people simple chatting between themselves.

What you are saying is that there should be no such thing as private conversations and you should be able to eavesdrop on any conversation.

And you invoke manners here?

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 9:57 pm

eddie wrote:Just as an aside....I had a bunch of Bulgarian buddies I used to go to aerobics with (it was a Bulgarian friend of mine who ran it) and I had absolutely no problem with not knowing what was being said, I actually quite liked it. IF they ever got into a conversion in Bulgarian they would quite often say to me "Oh sorry,  we were just saying..." and I'd say "I actually don't care I feel I don't know what you're saying guys" cos I didn't.

I quite listening to a language I don't know waft over me. I'm rather odd like that.


Indeed. I have Polish and Romanian friends who often switch between English and their language.
Its more to do with the fact they far better understand each other in their language. Sometimes its a 3 way conversation, because some English words and slang they do not understand.

People are just invoking poor views to try to force people to speak English within private chit chat, when they should never have to when they already speak English to their English colleagues in chit chat.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:23 pm

If these people who spoke Welsh couldn't speak English, it would be a different matter, but that's clearly not the case. I would think they are fluent in English too.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:28 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:If these people who spoke Welsh couldn't speak English, it would be a different matter, but that's clearly not the case. I would think they are fluent in English too.


Does not make any difference at all.
I think the more people speak Welsh the better to ensure the language continues for generations.
I think the same should happen with Cornish also. Its about time people stopped being lazy and learn other languages. Like I said this country has born itself off a lazy view where many countries speak English and its the business language of the world. Its simple laziness and more to the point people want to listen in on conversations they were not invited to join in. You said yourself you went somewhere private to have a private chat. They have no need to. As they can revert into Welsh and what better way to practice a language than to use it.

Again its not down to you to decide what people say between themselves in conversation and in what language.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:41 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:If these people who spoke Welsh couldn't speak English, it would be a different matter, but that's clearly not the case. I would think they are fluent in English too.


Does not make any difference at all.
I think the more people speak Welsh the better to ensure the language continues for generations.
I think the same should happen with Cornish also. Its about time people stopped being lazy and learn other languages. Like I said this country has born itself off a lazy view where many countries speak English and its the business language of the world. Its simple laziness and more to the point people want to listen in on conversations they were not invited to join in. You said yourself you went somewhere private to have a private chat. They have no need to. As they can revert into Welsh and what better way to practice a language than to use it.

Again its not down to you to decide what people say between themselves in conversation and in what language.

I didn't say I went anywhere for a private chat. I said that I would go somewhere private if I wanted a private chat. So if some people are chatting in public, they're not having a private conversation are they?

It's not down to you to decide what I should think.

I already told you that only 11% of people in Wales speak fluent Welsh, so they're in a minority. Why should others be forced to learn it just because you say so?

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 10:45 pm

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Does not make any difference at all.
I think the more people speak Welsh the better to ensure the language continues for generations.
I think the same should happen with Cornish also. Its about time people stopped being lazy and learn other languages. Like I said this country has born itself off a lazy view where many countries speak English and its the business language of the world. Its simple laziness and more to the point people want to listen in on conversations they were not invited to join in. You said yourself you went somewhere private to have a private chat. They have no need to. As they can revert into Welsh and what better way to practice a language than to use it.

Again its not down to you to decide what people say between themselves in conversation and in what language.

I didn't say I went anywhere for a private chat. I said that I would go somewhere private if I wanted a private chat. So if some people are chatting in public, they're not having a private conversation are they?


Which is the same thing. There is no difference to what you would be doing. One cannot hear your conversation, the other cannot understand and for the same reason, due to it being private. Hence your contradiction. Hence again they have more ways to enable a setting for a private conversation without eavesdropping. 

If they are chatting in public its private unless you can hear and understand them. Thus people would be eavesdropping.

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I didn't say I went anywhere for a private chat. I said that I would go somewhere private if I wanted a private chat. So if some people are chatting in public, they're not having a private conversation are they?


Which is the same thing. There is no difference to what you would be doing. One cannot hear your conversation, the other cannot understand and for the same reason, due to it being private. Hence your contradiction. Hence again they have more ways to enable a setting for a private conversation without eavesdropping. 

If they are chatting in public its private unless you can hear and understand them. Thus people would be eavesdropping.

It's not the same thing at all. They're talking about people chatting in public obviously. If I went for a private conversation, nobody but the person I was talking to would even know I was having a conversation. If you can't see it's a different thing, you're a bit daft.

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Which is the same thing. There is no difference to what you would be doing. One cannot hear your conversation, the other cannot understand and for the same reason, due to it being private. Hence your contradiction. Hence again they have more ways to enable a setting for a private conversation without eavesdropping. 

If they are chatting in public its private unless you can hear and understand them. Thus people would be eavesdropping.

It's not the same thing at all. They're talking about people chatting in public obviously. If I went for a private conversation, nobody but the person I was talking to would even know I was having a conversation. If you can't see it's a different thing, you're a bit daft.


Its exactly the same thing.

The purpose is a private conversation.

You go where people cannot hear you.

They speak in another language so people cannot understand them.

Both obtain the same objective.

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It's not the same thing at all. They're talking about people chatting in public obviously. If I went for a private conversation, nobody but the person I was talking to would even know I was having a conversation. If you can't see it's a different thing, you're a bit daft.


Its exactly the same thing.

The purpose is a private conversation.

You go where people cannot hear you.

They speak in another language so people cannot understand them.

Both obtain the same objective.

Privacy

Well then they're just being rude and should go somewhere private if they don't want anyone else to hear what they're saying.

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Its exactly the same thing.

The purpose is a private conversation.

You go where people cannot hear you.

They speak in another language so people cannot understand them.

Both obtain the same objective.

Privacy

Well then they're just being rude and should go somewhere private if they don't want anyone else to hear what they're saying.


Well at least they are still on the shop floor, where you and another worker have disappeared without telling anyone going to have a private chat. So at least they can stop their conversation if a customer walks in and needs help. So they are not being rude at all. Again your view is arbitrary on what is rude.

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Well then they're just being rude and should go somewhere private if they don't want anyone else to hear what they're saying.


Well at least they are still on the shop floor, where you and another worker have disappeared without telling anyone going to have a private chat. So at least they can stop their conversation if a customer walks in and needs help. So they are not being rude at all. Again your view is arbitrary on what is rude.

I wouldn't disappear at all. I would wait until after work, or if it was urgent, I would go somewhere quieter and talk quietly. If someone is speaking in Welsh to hide what they're saying, that would also be rather stupid because one of the few people who speak Welsh would understand what they're saying.

They are being rude, it's really obvious. If they're talking about work stuff, why do they need to do so in a language that other staff don't understand?

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:07 pm

thats the point tough isnt it Raggs....NO ONE is "forcing" anyone to learn welsh.....

the point being made is, stop whigeing when that minority CHOOSE, as is their RIGHT, to speak in their NATIVE language whilst on their own soil as it were.

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article 19 of the universal declaration of human rights

Article 19.


Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers.

which can be taken to include any language.

and as embodied in the 1998 uk Human rights act in article 10

Article 10 Freedom of expression

The right to freedom of expression is crucial in a democracy – information and ideas help to inform political debate and are essential to public accountability and transparency in government.

Article 10 gives everyone the right to freedom of expression, which includes the freedom to hold opinions and to receive and impart information and ideas without State interference.

This includes the right to communicate and to express oneself in any medium, including through words, pictures, images and actions (including through public protest and demonstrations).

The type of expression protected includes:

political expres​sion(including comment on matters of general public interest);
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commercial expression, particularly when it also raises matters of legitimate public debate and concern.

For obvious reasons political expression is given particular precedence and protection. Artistic expression - vital for fostering individual fulfilment and the development of ideas – is also robustly protected.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:11 pm

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Well at least they are still on the shop floor, where you and another worker have disappeared without telling anyone going to have a private chat. So at least they can stop their conversation if a customer walks in and needs help. So they are not being rude at all. Again your view is arbitrary on what is rude.

I wouldn't disappear at all. I would wait until after work, or if it was urgent, I would go somewhere quieter and talk quietly. If someone is speaking in Welsh to hide what they're saying, that would also be rather stupid because one of the few people who speak Welsh would understand what they're saying.

They are being rude, it's really obvious. If they're talking about work stuff, why do they need to do so in a language that other staff don't understand?





Talk about moving the goal posts yet again..

So now you are saying you would never have a private chat at work and would wait after I just caught you out. As you made it clear nobody would know you would be having this conversation. Best load of bullshit you have made to date Rags.  

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So if there is someone else that understood Welsh and they did not want them to hear they would have to go somewhere private also. Epic hilarity this. So you would go somewhere quieter you said but nobody would know. Of which they could do if someone else spoke welsh, even though this is about those who cannot. Hence using another language to have privacy.

Who said they were talking about work stuff when speaking privately to each other

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:14 pm

and why the assumption (a very poor one at that) that they must be talking about someone behind their backs?


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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:15 pm

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I wouldn't disappear at all. I would wait until after work, or if it was urgent, I would go somewhere quieter and talk quietly. If someone is speaking in Welsh to hide what they're saying, that would also be rather stupid because one of the few people who speak Welsh would understand what they're saying.

They are being rude, it's really obvious. If they're talking about work stuff, why do they need to do so in a language that other staff don't understand?





Talk about moving the goal posts yet again..

So now you are saying you would never have a private chat at work and would wait after I just caught you out. As you made it clear nobody would know you would be having this conversation. Best load of bullshit you have made to date Rags.  

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So if there is someone else that understood Welsh and they did not want them to hear they would have to go somewhere private also. Epic hilarity this. So you would go somewhere quieter you said but nobody would know. Of which they could do if someone else spoke welsh, even though this is about those who cannot. Hence using another language to have privacy.

Who said they were talking about work stuff when speaking privately to each other

You don't seem to understand anything. I keep on telling you that nobody would know they were talking about private stuff or work stuff if they didn't speak the same language. The notice made it clear it included work-related stuff. Of course someone would speak quietly or go somewhere private if they wanted to discuss private stuff. It's a bit stupid to discuss such stuff loudly, whether in English or in Welsh. Do you not understand that?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:15 pm

Lord Foul wrote:and why the assumption (a very poor one at that) that they must be talking about someone behind their backs?


Who assumed that? I certainly didn't - I didn't mention it.

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:19 pm

Its a funny old life init? when your greatest concern is that someone "may" be talking about you?

I mean I fully understand the principle of female conversation whereby if a group of three women are talking and one leaves, the conversation IMMEDIATELY changes to whatever scandle or bitchery can be found to heap on the one who has just left. thats a given...the (what once would have been) typing pool, now I suppose the PA's room where I worked wasnt "in house" known as "the hen house" for nothing affraid

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:20 pm

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Talk about moving the goal posts yet again..

So now you are saying you would never have a private chat at work and would wait after I just caught you out. As you made it clear nobody would know you would be having this conversation. Best load of bullshit you have made to date Rags.  

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So if there is someone else that understood Welsh and they did not want them to hear they would have to go somewhere private also. Epic hilarity this. So you would go somewhere quieter you said but nobody would know. Of which they could do if someone else spoke welsh, even though this is about those who cannot. Hence using another language to have privacy.

Who said they were talking about work stuff when speaking privately to each other

You don't seem to understand anything. I keep on telling you that nobody would know they were talking about private stuff or work stuff if they didn't speak the same language. The notice made it clear it included work-related stuff. Of course someone would speak quietly or go somewhere private if they wanted to discuss private stuff. It's a bit stupid to discuss such stuff loudly, whether in English or in Welsh. Do you not understand that?


I understand plenty Rags and you have moved the goal posts so many times, its been prime time entertainment, of which I thank you.   Laughing

The notice went on about private conversations which we are talking about.

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:21 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Its a funny old life init? when your greatest concern is that someone "may" be talking about you?

I mean I fully understand the principle of female conversation whereby if a group of three women are talking and one leaves, the conversation IMMEDIATELY changes to whatever scandle or bitchery can be found to heap on the one who has just left. thats a given...the (what once would have been) typing pool, now I suppose the PA's room where I worked wasnt "in house" known as "the hen house" for nothing affraid


That is what this really boils down to mate.

Nail on the head.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:24 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Its a funny old life init? when your greatest concern is that someone "may" be talking about you?

I mean I fully understand the principle of female conversation whereby if a group of three women are talking and one leaves, the conversation IMMEDIATELY changes to whatever scandle or bitchery can be found to heap on the one who has just left. thats a given...the (what once would have been) typing pool, now I suppose the PA's room where I worked wasnt "in house" known as "the hen house" for nothing affraid

Why do you keep banging on about that? Who has said that they might be talking about others?

Mind you, they might be mocking customers, which is a bit of a no-no on the shop floor.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:26 pm

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You don't seem to understand anything. I keep on telling you that nobody would know they were talking about private stuff or work stuff if they didn't speak the same language. The notice made it clear it included work-related stuff. Of course someone would speak quietly or go somewhere private if they wanted to discuss private stuff. It's a bit stupid to discuss such stuff loudly, whether in English or in Welsh. Do you not understand that?


I understand plenty Rags and you have moved the goal posts so many times, its been prime time entertainment, of which I thank you.   Laughing

The notice went on about private conversations which we are talking about.

I haven't moved anything. I'm thinking of possible scenarios in my work place. You wouldn't know about that of course.

Of course the notice included work-related and private conversations. Do you not understand that non-Welsh-speaking Manager or co-workers would not know which it was, which is why they've included both?

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Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:30 pm

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I understand plenty Rags and you have moved the goal posts so many times, its been prime time entertainment, of which I thank you.   Laughing

The notice went on about private conversations which we are talking about.

I haven't moved anything. I'm thinking of possible scenarios in my work place. You wouldn't know about that of course.

Of course the notice included work-related and private conversations. Do you not understand that non-Welsh-speaking Manager or co-workers would not know which it was, which is why they've included both?


Which would be illegal in Wales, or did you not know that?

Hence why they have backtracked on their notice.

So using Wales as an example you will always lose on, based on their laws.

Even Victor has showed laws on human rights with personal conversations.

Either they would have to all ban personal conversations on the shop floor for all or they could do nothing about people having them in a foreign language. Though no doubt they would lose staff very quickly, as such jobs are "two a penny" if they tried to impose a blanket ban on personal conversations.

So you think about possible scenarios all you like, as the rule has to apply to all workers,. Not based on assumptions as you are doing.

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:35 pm

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I haven't moved anything. I'm thinking of possible scenarios in my work place. You wouldn't know about that of course.

Of course the notice included work-related and private conversations. Do you not understand that non-Welsh-speaking Manager or co-workers would not know which it was, which is why they've included both?


Which would be illegal in Wales, or did you not know that?

Hence why they have backtracked on their notice.

So using Wales as an example you will always lose on, based on their laws.

Even Victor has showed laws on human rights with personal conversations.

Either they would have to all ban personal conversations on the shop floor for all or they could do nothing about people having them in a foreign language. Though no doubt they would lose staff very quickly, as such jobs a "two a penny" if they tries to impose a blanket ban on personal conversations.

So you think about possible scenarios all you like, as the rule has to apply to all workers, not based on assumptions as you are doing.

Now you're trying to degrade retail jobs, and therefore the people who do them. The rule does apply to all employees, so I don't know why you said it has to. Of course I'm applying my own scenarios to the situation. You clearly don't experience work-related issues yourself - I don't think you work at all actually.

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:39 pm

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Which would be illegal in Wales, or did you not know that?

Hence why they have backtracked on their notice.

So using Wales as an example you will always lose on, based on their laws.

Even Victor has showed laws on human rights with personal conversations.

Either they would have to all ban personal conversations on the shop floor for all or they could do nothing about people having them in a foreign language. Though no doubt they would lose staff very quickly, as such jobs a "two a penny" if they tries to impose a blanket ban on personal conversations.

So you think about possible scenarios all you like, as the rule has to apply to all workers, not based on assumptions as you are doing.

Now you're trying to degrade retail jobs, and therefore the people who do them. The rule does apply to all employees, so I don't know why you said it has to. Of course I'm applying my own scenarios to the situation. You clearly don't experience work-related issues yourself - I don't think you work at all actually.


How am I trying to degrade them, when there many such jobs available?
So yet again poor misdirection when i am speaking facts.
Good luck to anyone that wants any kind of work, but it shows you are again desperate to misdirect.

You can apply a million scenarios,which is irrelevant and again they are based on assumption because you do not understand what they are saying. Now if they are directly talking to you, the conversation should be English. If not, its none of your business or the companies. Unless they ban personal conversations.

Have you grasped this point yet?

Then you end with further desperation.

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:41 pm

Obviously my welsh is very limited, mainly to the pleasantries of the day.

but only last weekend I was in mid wales, with daughter and grand kids at the wood for a few days.
We stopped at a local shope for a few supplies and there in the shop was a youmng mum with her kiddy, I suppose 3 or four years old. the mum and the shopkeeper (an older lady) were talking in welsh (you dont say???...fancy that) and the kid looks at me and starts jumping around shouting santa santa (not an unusual reaction from kids, which you would understand if you saw me....) to which i said "Bore da, dyn ifanc" (good morning young man) the look on his face was priceless...all the more the look on his mothers face since it must have been obvious by my accent that I was english. the woman and the young mother finished their conversation in welsh and then the mum asked me (in english) how well i spoke welsh, I replied very little, just a few words here and there , but I like to learn, she then APPOLOGISED for speaking welsh...???? I said why on earth should you appologise to me ...its YOUR language...

then we had a good laugh about the kid thinking I was santa, and reckoned she had best explain that santa was having a holiday in wales this year Laughing The shopkeeper spoke to me in english quite happily and was all smiles about the fact that I'm at least trying to learn a bit of their language.....(and corrected a few of my more appaling pronuciations)

the thing that shocked me was that the young woman felt she had to appologise....no doubt due to the negative reactions of VISITORS.

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:43 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:Its a funny old life init? when your greatest concern is that someone "may" be talking about you?

I mean I fully understand the principle of female conversation whereby if a group of three women are talking and one leaves, the conversation IMMEDIATELY changes to whatever scandle or bitchery can be found to heap on the one who has just left. thats a given...the (what once would have been) typing pool, now I suppose the PA's room where I worked wasnt "in house" known as "the hen house" for nothing affraid

Why do you keep banging on about that? Who has said that they might be talking about others?

Mind you, they might be mocking customers, which is a bit of a no-no on the shop floor.

the fact that you think that of others with zero evidence to back it is an interesting insight Ragga???


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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Syl on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:46 pm

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Syl wrote:I spend weeks in Wales every summer, and I shop a lot.
I can honestly say in every shop I go in, be they little local shops or the bigger supermarkets I have never heard any staff member speak to another staff member in any language other than English.

Maybe this rule is applied throughout the shops in N Wales or maybe its because the Welsh workers don't speak welsh anyway....but that's my experience.

Who cares Syl?

Are you the standard to set for everyone?

Victor has already stated he has heard people speak in Welsh

So we have two conflicting views.

The point is this rule is being born out of a poor idea, that ends up being intolerant, as if only those foreign are excluding other workers, if sometimes they speak in their language together. Hence its based on bullshit and singling out those foreign on this. If people exclude each other, its because they do not get along full stop.

I dont care if you care, i am just pointing out my own experience, which is not simply read on a forum.
I havent said i havent heard people speak Welsh in Wales...obviously I have...i said i have never heared any person speaking welsh to a colleague in any of the many shops i have been in over the last seven years.

My point was perhaps its the norm to ask workers to speak in English in some shops and supermarkets..


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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Thorin on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:48 pm

Lord Foul wrote:Obviously my welsh is very limited, mainly to the pleasantries of the day.

but only last weekend I was in mid wales, with daughter and grand kids at the wood for a few days.
We stopped at a local shope for a few supplies and there in the shop was a youmng mum with her kiddy, I suppose 3 or four years old. the mum and the shopkeeper (an older lady) were talking in welsh (you dont say???...fancy that)  and the kid looks at me and starts jumping around shouting santa santa (not an unusual reaction from kids, which you would understand if you saw me....)  to which i said "Bore da, dyn ifanc"  (good morning young man)  the look on his face was priceless...all the more the look on his mothers face since it must have been obvious by my accent that I was english. the woman and the young mother finished their conversation in welsh and then the mum asked me (in english) how well i spoke welsh, I replied very little, just a few words here and there , but I like to learn, she then APPOLOGISED  for speaking welsh...????  I said why on earth should you appologise to me ...its YOUR language...

then we had a good laugh about the kid thinking I was santa, and reckoned she had best explain that santa was having a holiday in wales this year Laughing The shopkeeper spoke to me in english quite happily and was all smiles about the fact that I'm at least trying to learn a bit of their language.....(and corrected a few of my more appaling pronuciations)

the thing that shocked me was that the young woman felt she had to appologise....no doubt due to the negative reactions of VISITORS.  


Interesting story and sums up how a apologetic stance can form, because people do not attempt to make the effort and yet you did. I applaud that mate and as i said many foreign people I have met become instant friends if you are able to speak a few words to them. In their language. 

Thanks for sharing.

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Lord Foul on Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:49 pm

And I have to ask...if its NOT that "they must be talking about me behind my back" then just WHAT is your problem.....

if they are not talking about you then its none of your business is it.....and thus it follows that they could if they wished converse in klingon for all it matters.......

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Re: Sports Direct Slammed After Notice Appears To Ban Workers From Speaking Welsh

Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:26 am

Lord Foul wrote:
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Why do you keep banging on about that? Who has said that they might be talking about others?

Mind you, they might be mocking customers, which is a bit of a no-no on the shop floor.

the fact that you think that of others with zero evidence to back it is an interesting insight Ragga???


Or maybe I live in the real world, unlike you Victor. Laughing

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Post by Thorin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 10:47 am

Lord Foul wrote:And I have to ask...if its NOT that "they must be talking about me behind my back" then just WHAT is your problem.....

if they are not talking about you then its none of your business is it.....and thus it follows that they could if they wished converse in klingon for all it matters.......


Exactly mate

There is no issue, other than those who have created a problem out of nothing.

Hence its none of their buisness

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:04 pm

It's the business of the other employees if they can't understand what a colleague is saying.

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Post by Thorin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:19 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It's the business of the other employees if they can't understand what a colleague is saying.


So you are now discriminating based on accents then?

So you have changed the goal posts yet again.

As again the points being made are in regards to personal conversations.

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:37 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:It's the business of the other employees if they can't understand what a colleague is saying.


So you are now discriminating based on accents then?

So you have changed the goal posts yet again.

As again the points being made are in regards to personal conversations.

Reading through this thread I see the goalposts haven't been changed one bit.
We are not talking of accents, we are talking of a language, which is not understood by 99.9% of the world and only understood by a small percentage of the actual Welsh people.

Its obvious that some people in the world put their own imagined rights and feelings before the rest...hence their need to talk in a language that deliberately isolates other work colleagues when English is the language used and understood by everyone...even in Wales. Rolling Eyes

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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:43 pm

Lord Foul wrote:And I have to ask...if its NOT that "they must be talking about me behind my back" then just WHAT is your problem.....

if they are not talking about you then its none of your business is it.....and thus it follows that they could if they wished converse in klingon for all it matters.......

If there were a group of people on here who only conversed with each other in another language, totally excluding others on this site, and on threads, what would you do?
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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:45 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:And I have to ask...if its NOT that "they must be talking about me behind my back" then just WHAT is your problem.....

if they are not talking about you then its none of your business is it.....and thus it follows that they could if they wished converse in klingon for all it matters.......

If there were a group of people on here who only conversed with each other in another language, totally excluding others on this site, and on threads, what would you do?  

Probably ban em. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Thorin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:52 pm

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So you are now discriminating based on accents then?

So you have changed the goal posts yet again.

As again the points being made are in regards to personal conversations.

Reading through this thread I see  the goalposts haven't been changed one bit.
We are not talking of accents, we are talking of a language, which is not understood by 99.9% of the world and only understood by a small percentage of the actual Welsh people.

Its obvious that some people in the world put their own imagined rights and feelings before the rest...hence their need to talk in a language that deliberately isolates other work colleagues when English is the language  used and understood by everyone...even in Wales. Rolling Eyes


Then i suggest you go to specsavers then


As its gone from babble about exclusions, to now being understood which incorporates accents

So now you even further move the goal posts by going on about the rest of the world

PMSL

Again at no point has the points by myself and victor been about work discussions which we have stated should be in English.

This is about personal conversations which you have no requirement to understand unless you are a right nosy parker

Has this sunk in yet, because as seen you and rags constantly move the goal posts?

Its you and others with the pathetic feelings here because you want to invade private conversations and force people to include you due to your insecurities

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Post by Thorin on Wed Aug 09, 2017 12:55 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:And I have to ask...if its NOT that "they must be talking about me behind my back" then just WHAT is your problem.....

if they are not talking about you then its none of your business is it.....and thus it follows that they could if they wished converse in klingon for all it matters.......

If there were a group of people on here who only conversed with each other in another language, totally excluding others on this site, and on threads, what would you do?  


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Ever heard of google translate?

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Post by Syl on Wed Aug 09, 2017 1:02 pm

Thorin wrote:
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If there were a group of people on here who only conversed with each other in another language, totally excluding others on this site, and on threads, what would you do?  


PMSL

Ever heard of google translate?

But if people are conversing in a different language on here ..one you don't understand, they obviously want to exclude you from the conversation.
Why use google  translate?....nosy parker.

That's the argument you have used throughout.

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