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Post by Guest on Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:02 am

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Australia has foiled an Islamist-inspired "terrorist plot" to bring down an airplane with an improvised explosive, authorities said Sunday, after four people were arrested in raids across Sydney. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the plot appeared to be "elaborate" rather than planned by a lone wolf, as security was beefed up at major domestic and international airports across the nation.

"I can report last night that there has been a major joint counter-terrorism operation to disrupt a terrorist plot to bring down an airplane," Mr Turnbull told reporters.


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Post by Miffs2 on Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:38 pm

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Must be a bit disappointing for you Veya, for all your posturing about how integrated Australian Muslims are and how all singing and fluffy and wonderful it all is, ISIS still hate you as much as they do the rest of us. Your capitulation didn't help it seems.

There are criminals in all walks of life.  Even our White House.  You can't generalize from specifics.

Wouldn't your considerable intellect and charm be better focussed on modernising your political system so the world doesn't have to suffer a criminal in the white house?
Surely with all your law knowledge you can challenge your unfair and peculiar election system ? Smile
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:54 pm

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There are criminals in all walks of life.  Even our White House.  You can't generalize from specifics.

Wouldn't your considerable intellect and charm be better focussed on modernising your political system so the world doesn't have to suffer a criminal in the white house?
Surely with all your  law knowledge you can challenge your unfair and peculiar election system ? Smile

You are changing the subject. This is not about the US, nor about me or veya. Australia has done an excellent job in dealing with their Muslim population within. Perhaps it is because in their region of the world they are closer to Muslim centers, and they have a better understanding of their values and customs. In so many ways, Australia is taking the rest of the English-speaking world to school on these matters.

Good on 'em. Laughing

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Post by eddie on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:07 pm

We must be doing alright in the UK. Many Muslims come here and they all seem happy to stay.

I keep saying this too: I grew up in London in the 80's - it was so mixed and everyone lived happily among eachother. Interracial relationships were very common.

So I'm not really too sure why anyone is under the impression that England is backward in accepting foreigners?

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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:26 pm

eddie wrote:We must be doing alright in the UK. Many Muslims come here and they all seem happy to stay.

I keep saying this too: I grew up in London in the 80's - it was so mixed and everyone lived happily among eachother. Interracial relationships were very common.

So I'm not really too sure why anyone is under the impression that England is backward in accepting foreigners?

It's only on here.  My experience in London is that I marvel at how well they get along with Muslims and blacks.  I think it's beautiful to sit in a pub in the financial district and see men or women--black, white, Muslim, etc.--all with lovely London accents, fraternizing and having a beer together.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:48 pm

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We must be doing alright in the UK. Many Muslims come here and they all seem happy to stay.

I keep saying this too: I grew up in London in the 80's - it was so mixed and everyone lived happily among eachother. Interracial relationships were very common.

So I'm not really too sure why anyone is under the impression that England is backward in accepting foreigners?

Laughing

Remove those half dozen noisy, whinging, whining xenophobic Floptard anti-immigration zealots from these discussions on NewsFix...

Then you may find that it doesn't seem anywhere near as bigotted..

Giving Stormee the boot last year was a good start...

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Post by Guest on Fri Aug 04, 2017 5:54 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
eddie wrote:
We must be doing alright in the UK. Many Muslims come here and they all seem happy to stay.

I keep saying this too: I grew up in London in the 80's - it was so mixed and everyone lived happily among eachother. Interracial relationships were very common.

So I'm not really too sure why anyone is under the impression that England is backward in accepting foreigners?

Laughing

Remove those half dozen noisy, whinging, whining xenophobic Floptard anti-immigration zealots from these discussions on NewsFix...

Then you may find that it doesn't seem anywhere near as bigotted..

Giving Stormee the boot last year was a good start...

What bigots?

Most happily get along with people from all walks of life. I lived in London for years , of which is a very tolerant place.

Though we do have areas that have some foreigners who congregate in their own areas and don;t do much to integrate throughout the UK.

As seen and stated many Muslim women suffer being ostracised for just marrying someone Non-Muslim. You had the same problem here decades ago with Protestants marrying Catholics. That is religious apartheid for you. That has changed though, but you still have the problem with the Orthodox Jewish community and within Muslim communities.

What really is poor is you trying to get anyone banned though, because you do not like their views.

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Post by Syl on Fri Aug 04, 2017 6:54 pm

I sometimes wonder why on this forum the Brits are considered to be unwelcoming to foreigners.
In my experience most people who choose to come and live here are welcomed into the local communities....and I do live in a very diverse area.

The only exceptions that I know of personally are some Muslims who wish NOT to integrate...and that's their own choice.
Not only does the average Brit welcome people they will also allow people NOT to mix if they so choose....we are on the whole pretty easy going.

That's my experience anyway.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Aug 04, 2017 8:35 pm

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eddie wrote:We must be doing alright in the UK. Many Muslims come here and they all seem happy to stay.

I keep saying this too: I grew up in London in the 80's - it was so mixed and everyone lived happily among eachother. Interracial relationships were very common.

So I'm not really too sure why anyone is under the impression that England is backward in accepting foreigners?

It's only on here.  My experience in London is that I marvel at how well they get along with Muslims and blacks.  I think it's beautiful to sit in a pub in the financial district and see men or women--black, white, Muslim, etc.--all with lovely London accents, fraternizing and having a beer together.


How do you know which of these 'beer drinkers' is Muslim...!!!???


lol!



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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:00 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's only on here.  My experience in London is that I marvel at how well they get along with Muslims and blacks.  I think it's beautiful to sit in a pub in the financial district and see men or women--black, white, Muslim, etc.--all with lovely London accents, fraternizing and having a beer together.


How do you know which of these 'beer drinkers' is Muslim...!!!???


lol!



Exactly. I don't suppose they have "Muslim" tattooed on them.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Aug 04, 2017 9:44 pm

Well... let's wait and see what quill has to say about it...


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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:17 am

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It's only on here.  My experience in London is that I marvel at how well they get along with Muslims and blacks.  I think it's beautiful to sit in a pub in the financial district and see men or women--black, white, Muslim, etc.--all with lovely London accents, fraternizing and having a beer together.

How do you know which of these 'beer drinkers' is Muslim...!!!???

lol!

Not a problem. They can be identified by clothing, or by racial features. And of course, blacks are blacks, Asians are Asians and even Slavs can be distinguished by looks.

The point is that they disregard such differences in themselves. That's the beauty of London. It's only you guys that are bothered by other ethnicities in your midst.

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Post by nicko on Sat Aug 05, 2017 5:08 am

When was the last time YOU sat in a London pub and watched Muslims drinking Beer?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:42 am

Original Quill wrote:
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How do you know which of these 'beer drinkers' is Muslim...!!!???

lol!

Not a problem.  They can be identified by clothing, or by racial features.  And of course, blacks are blacks, Asians are Asians and even Slavs can be distinguished by looks.

The point is that they disregard such differences in themselves.  That's the beauty of London.  It's only you guys that are bothered by other ethnicities in your midst.

Racial features? Muslims aren't a race. If you mean people of "middle eastern appearance", they may well not be Muslims at all. You might be able to assume that a lady wearing a head covering or burka is a Muslim, but the men don't seem to dress differently, at least not in the UK.

Didn't you just make the point that all the people you mentioned drink together and socialise, so clearly people aren't bothered by other ethnicities in their midst.


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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:55 am

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Not a problem.  They can be identified by clothing, or by racial features.  And of course, blacks are blacks, Asians are Asians and even Slavs can be distinguished by looks.

The point is that they disregard such differences in themselves.  That's the beauty of London.  It's only you guys that are bothered by other ethnicities in your midst.

Racial features? Muslims aren't a race. If you mean people of "middle eastern appearance", they may well not be Muslims at all. You might be able to assume that a lady wearing a head covering or burka is a Muslim, but the men don't seem to dress differently, at least not in the UK.

Didn't you just make the point that all the people you mentioned drink together and socialise, so clearly people aren't bothered by other ethnicities in their midst.



Yes many Muslim men wear traditional Islamic dress in the UK.

for example.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:58 am

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Racial features? Muslims aren't a race. If you mean people of "middle eastern appearance", they may well not be Muslims at all. You might be able to assume that a lady wearing a head covering or burka is a Muslim, but the men don't seem to dress differently, at least not in the UK.

Didn't you just make the point that all the people you mentioned drink together and socialise, so clearly people aren't bothered by other ethnicities in their midst.



Yes many Muslim men wear traditional Islamic dress in the UK.

for example.


And many don't. They might only wear that kind of thing to go to the Mosque.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 05, 2017 7:59 am

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Yes many Muslim men wear traditional Islamic dress in the UK.

for example.


And many don't. They might only wear that kind of thing to go to the Mosque.


They wear this in every day life. I suggest you go to places like Tower Hamlets and see for yourself.

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And many don't. They might only wear that kind of thing to go to the Mosque.


They wear this in every day life. I suggest you go to places like Tower Hamlets and see for yourself.

Then they probably wouldn't be drinking beer in a pub in the city. Anyway, I have no time for your attempt to start a fight, so bye.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 05, 2017 8:02 am

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They wear this in every day life. I suggest you go to places like Tower Hamlets and see for yourself.

Then they probably wouldn't be in a pub drinking. Anyway, I have no time for your attempt to start a fight, so bye.


Why would they not be in a pub drinking non alcoholic drinks with a non-Muslim friend?

All I see here is both you and Tommy jump on here attempting to deligitimize Quill's claim based on zero evidence, but poor assumptions you both have. Its up to you if you do not believe him, but the reality is you both jumped on to try and ridicule Quill and its backfired, because you simply cannot disprove the claim.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:47 am

veya_victaous wrote:in EXTERME cases, NOT normal cases. If it where 'normally' the case there would be a lot more honor killing in Australia  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

Most fathers regardless of religion will protect their daughters. Do you think Zack would kill his daughter if she dated a English boy? do you think Sexy mama would approve her husband killing her kids if they dated a British person?

Most Muslims living in Australia are here because they Value the religious freedom of Australia. Most Muslims here have integrated. they support secular ideals.

Don't believe the demonization in the media, they are just people. they say the same shit about Jews, they used to say the same shit about Greeks, Italians and other non-Anglo Europeans when they came to Australia(let alone Asian in Pauline Hanson mark-I from the 90's). hormones and young people greatly assist integration.

I have Muslim friends. And I can tell you that they do not allow their children to marry non-Muslims. The daughter is not allowed to date non-Muslims. The son is set up for an arranged marriage. They're not extreme Muslims. Just ordinary people complying with their family traditions. One of my best friends has a partner who is Iraqi. If she marries him, she'll do so in a mosque as well as a registry office and will convert. So, no, it's not 'extreme' cases, it's pretty much the norm with many.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Sat Aug 05, 2017 11:54 am

nicko wrote:When was the last time YOU sat in a London pub and watched Muslims drinking Beer?      

I know Muslims who eat bacon.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:03 pm

Anyway, how can one tell someone is a Muslim by their "racial features"?

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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 05, 2017 12:41 pm

Has anyone else noticed that many of the long standing pubs that have closed down over the last couple of decades are in areas highly populated by Muslim communities.

Just a thought.

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Syl wrote:Has anyone else noticed that many of the long standing  pubs that have closed down over the last couple of decades are in areas highly populated by Muslim communities.

Just a thought.


A poor thought Syl, as my town has very few Muslims and half the pubs have closed down.

What this is down to is more the youth of today not going out on the lash all the time.

We had many Muslims 10 years ago and more clubs and pubs were opening. So clearly more Muslims is not the reason here, being as they represent 5% of the population.

The reality is as well is that its more expensive for people to go out. I know many a friend that invite people round and buy alcohol from the supermarket. As its far cheaper.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 2:55 pm

I bet pubs with beer gardens do a bit better.

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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:50 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:Has anyone else noticed that many of the long standing  pubs that have closed down over the last couple of decades are in areas highly populated by Muslim communities.

Just a thought.


A poor thought Syl, as my town has very few Muslims and half the pubs have closed down.

What this is down to is more the youth of today not going out on the lash all the time.

We had many Muslims 10 years ago and more clubs and pubs were opening. So clearly more Muslims is not the reason here, being as they represent 5% of the population.

The reality is as well is that its more expensive for people to go out. I know many a friend that invite people round and buy alcohol from the supermarket. As its far cheaper.

Its not a criticism and its certainly not the only reason so many pubs have folded in the last 10 to 20 years.
The smoking ban possibly started the big decline, but, its very noticeable in the areas around greater Manchester that the places with a high Muslim population have very few pubs left.

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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:52 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I bet pubs with beer gardens do a bit better.
And they have to sell food too nowadays...the traditional british boozer is all but gone.

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 05, 2017 3:53 pm

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A poor thought Syl, as my town has very few Muslims and half the pubs have closed down.

What this is down to is more the youth of today not going out on the lash all the time.

We had many Muslims 10 years ago and more clubs and pubs were opening. So clearly more Muslims is not the reason here, being as they represent 5% of the population.

The reality is as well is that its more expensive for people to go out. I know many a friend that invite people round and buy alcohol from the supermarket. As its far cheaper.

Its not a criticism and its certainly not the only reason so many pubs have folded in the last 10 to 20 years.
The smoking ban possibly started the big decline, but, its very noticeable in the areas around greater Manchester that the places with a high Muslim population have very few pubs left.

Smoking ban was a major one for why less people went to pubs

Not knocking even if it was a criticism Syl, what i am doing is showing that your view lacks the real reasons to why pubs have shut down. You have just now provided some.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:04 pm

Syl wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I bet pubs with beer gardens do a bit better.
And they have to sell food too nowadays...the traditional british boozer is all but gone.

Do they have to? I think a lot of pubs should just have basic sarnies and crisps. A beer garden is essential for me, especially one with a heater in winter - lovely!

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Post by Syl on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:12 pm

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

Its not a criticism and its certainly not the only reason so many pubs have folded in the last 10 to 20 years.
The smoking ban possibly started the big decline, but, its very noticeable in the areas around greater Manchester that the places with a high Muslim population have very few pubs left.

Smoking ban was a major one for why less people went to pubs

Not knocking even if it was a criticism Syl, what i am doing is showing that your view lacks the real reasons to why pubs have shut down. You have just now provided some.

Sometimes events have many causes...I pointed out some so did you, I guess we are both correct by going off our own experiences and observations.

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:13 pm

nicko wrote:When was the last time YOU sat in a London pub and watched Muslims drinking Beer?      

It was a trip I took with my daughter, just before she entered Medical School. A few years now, as she's presently a practicing physician. It was in a pub near Earl's Court Underground station.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:14 pm

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nicko wrote:When was the last time YOU sat in a London pub and watched Muslims drinking Beer?      

It was a trip I took with my daughter, just before she entered Medical School.  A few years now, as she's presently a practicing physician.  It was in a pub near Earl's Court Underground station.

That's not the financial district though. You'd be lucky to find a pub open there at weekends. I used to go to pubs on the fringes of the city after work - too often really. Laughing

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Post by Guest on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:15 pm

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Smoking ban was a major one for why less people went to pubs

Not knocking even if it was a criticism Syl, what i am doing is showing that your view lacks the real reasons to why pubs have shut down. You have just now provided some.

Sometimes events have many causes...I pointed out some so did you, I guess we are both correct by going off our own experiences and observations.

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And they have to sell food too nowadays...the traditional british boozer is all but gone.

Do they have to? I think a lot of pubs should just have basic sarnies and crisps. A beer garden is essential for me, especially one with a heater in winter - lovely!

Me too...and café bars with a nice sitting out area... luckily we have quite a lot round here.
Unlike you though (I suspect) I would split the outside area into smoking and none smoking IF food is served.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sat Aug 05, 2017 4:16 pm

Syl wrote:
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Do they have to? I think a lot of pubs should just have basic sarnies and crisps. A beer garden is essential for me, especially one with a heater in winter - lovely!

Me too...and café bars with a nice sitting out area... luckily we have quite a lot round here.
Unlike you though (I suspect) I would split the outside area into smoking and none smoking IF food is served.

I only go to cafes where I can sit outside. I do smoke, but I also like to be outside anyway. I agree about splitting areas - I don't like people glaring at me when I'm smoking. Laughing

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Not a problem.  They can be identified by clothing, or by racial features.  And of course, blacks are blacks, Asians are Asians and even Slavs can be distinguished by looks.

The point is that they disregard such differences in themselves.  That's the beauty of London.  It's only you guys that are bothered by other ethnicities in your midst.

Racial features? Muslims aren't a race. If you mean people of "middle eastern appearance", they may well not be Muslims at all. You might be able to assume that a lady wearing a head covering or burka is a Muslim, but the men don't seem to dress differently, at least not in the UK.

Didn't you just make the point that all the people you mentioned drink together and socialise, so clearly people aren't bothered by other ethnicities in their midst.

Keep in mind we are talking about blacks, as well as Middle Easterners, and I've expanded it to include Asians.

Also, keep in mind, we're not playing gotcha here.  The point is that in London, people of all different races, creeds and ethnicities get along quite well.  I'm simply saying that I admire that.

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Me too...and café bars with a nice sitting out area... luckily we have quite a lot round here.
Unlike you though (I suspect) I would split the outside area into smoking and none smoking IF food is served.

I only go to cafes where I can sit outside. I do smoke, but I also like to be outside anyway. I agree about splitting areas - I don't like people glaring at me when I'm smoking. Laughing

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It was a trip I took with my daughter, just before she entered Medical School.  A few years now, as she's presently a practicing physician.  It was in a pub near Earl's Court Underground station.

That's not the financial district though. You'd be lucky to find a pub open there at weekends. I used to go to pubs on the fringes of the city after work - too often really. Laughing

No, that was not the financial district. I don't believe I said it was. A favorite restaurant of mine was on Cornhill, named Simpson's (not on the Strand). But I'd go there...usually with insurance folks. I saw a lot of mixing and mingling there, as well.

BTW...some Mormons and some Muslims drink, but don't tell the Bishop or Imam. Razz

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Racial features? Muslims aren't a race. If you mean people of "middle eastern appearance", they may well not be Muslims at all. You might be able to assume that a lady wearing a head covering or burka is a Muslim, but the men don't seem to dress differently, at least not in the UK.

Didn't you just make the point that all the people you mentioned drink together and socialise, so clearly people aren't bothered by other ethnicities in their midst.

Keep in mind we are talking about blacks, as well as Middle Easterners, and I've expanded it to include Asians.

Also, keep in mind, we're not playing gotcha here.  The point is that in London, people of all different races, creeds and ethnicities get along quite well.  I'm simply saying that I admire that.

Fine, as long as you're not claiming you can identify a Muslim by their racial features.

I used to drop in at a pub on my way home sometimes, and everyone else there was black, so your scenario is not always the case.

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Keep in mind we are talking about blacks, as well as Middle Easterners, and I've expanded it to include Asians.

Also, keep in mind, we're not playing gotcha here.  The point is that in London, people of all different races, creeds and ethnicities get along quite well.  I'm simply saying that I admire that.

Fine, as long as you're not claiming you can identify a Muslim by their racial features.

I used to drop in at a pub on my way home sometimes, and everyone else there was black, so your scenario is not always the case.

Meaning what? As didge has pointed out, you are just trying to play gotcha. I'm not going to waste time arguing whether this guy or that looked Middle Eastern.

My point is that Londoners for the most part are tolerant and appear oblivious to racial, ethnic or religious characteristics. Socially, they do not segregate. I find that the same the world over...New York, Paris, Portland, Athens, San Francisco, people in urban centers tend to accept one another, and that's admirable.

London, to me, stands out in this regard.

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Fine, as long as you're not claiming you can identify a Muslim by their racial features.

I used to drop in at a pub on my way home sometimes, and everyone else there was black, so your scenario is not always the case.

Meaning what?  As didge has pointed out, you are just trying to play gotcha.  I'm not going to waste time arguing whether this guy or that looked Middle Eastern.  

My point is that Londoners for the most part are tolerant and appear oblivious to racial, ethnic or religious characteristics.  Socially, they do not segregate.  I find that the same the world over...New York, Paris, Portland, Athens, San Francisco, people in urban centers tend to accept one another, and that's admirable.  

London, to me, stands out in this regard.

You talked about Muslims early, not people who look Middle Eastern, that's all.

I think people in London are fairly oblivious to those issues because it's such a mix there, but that doesn't mean they don't stick to people of their own race or those who they feel they have something in common with, which could mean people of other races.

Here's a question. What is a a "Londoner"? I lived there for nine years, but I'm not sure I'd call myself a Londoner.

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Raggamuffin wrote:What is a a "Londoner"? I lived there for nine years, but I'm not sure I'd call myself a Londoner.

I think you are a Londoner for as long as you're there.  It's your existential state-of-mind, regardless of whether the cause of one's being there is a momentary stop, or two or three generations of family.  

I've been both a Londoner and a New Yorker.  When I think of New Yorkers, I have to admit a lot of people I intend, actually go home to New Jersey or Connecticut.

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Raggamuffin wrote:What is a a "Londoner"? I lived there for nine years, but I'm not sure I'd call myself a Londoner.

I think you are a Londoner for as long as you're there.  It's your existential state-of-mind, regardless of whether the cause of one's being there is a momentary stop, or two or three generations of family.  

I've been both a Londoner and a New Yorker.  When I think of New Yorkers, I have to admit a lot of people I intend, actually go home to New Jersey or Connecticut.

You must be very mentally flexible Quill.
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nicko wrote:M"y Uncle was a real Cockney,never got tired of listening to him,

You can't be a "real Cockney" unless your born within the sound of "Bow Bells"  

Yes, I've heard that.

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I think you are a Londoner for as long as you're there.  It's your existential state-of-mind, regardless of whether the cause of one's being there is a momentary stop, or two or three generations of family.  

I've been both a Londoner and a New Yorker.  When I think of New Yorkers, I have to admit a lot of people I intend, actually go home to New Jersey or Connecticut.

You must be very mentally flexible Quill.
I am a Mancunian and no matter where I am that's what I always will be.

Of course.  You've always lived there and you're there now.

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You must be very mentally flexible Quill.
I am a Mancunian and no matter where I am that's what I always will be.

Of course.  You've always lived there and you're there now.

Not always...though I have never lived abroad.

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Of course.  You've always lived there and you're there now.

Not always...though I have never lived abroad.

Well, two out of three, anyway.

I'm the same way. I was born in New England, and moved to San Francisco when I was 10. I think of myself as a San Franciscan even though I was born elsewhere, and I've spent years elsewhere.

But then, when I think of the old Italians who built SF, and created the whole 'beat-era', I really can't make that claim.

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nicko wrote:M"y Uncle was a real Cockney,never got tired of listening to him,

You can't be a "real Cockney" unless your born within the sound of "Bow Bells"  

Yes, I've heard that.

I was born in Hackney. I'm a proper Londoner, and Quill you're quite right about London being a beautiful melting pot of culture, it's a wonderful mentality. I was born and grew up there and you carry that London mentality forever.

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How do you know which of these 'beer drinkers' is Muslim...!!!???

lol!

Not a problem.  They can be identified by clothing, or by racial features.  And of course, blacks are blacks, Asians are Asians and even Slavs can be distinguished by looks.

The point is that they disregard such differences in themselves.  That's the beauty of London.  It's only you guys that are bothered by other ethnicities in your midst.


So you could tell some of the beer drinkers in the pub were Muslims how exactly...!?


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nicko wrote:When was the last time YOU sat in a London pub and watched Muslims drinking Beer?      

It was a trip I took with my daughter, just before she entered Medical School.  A few years now, as she's presently a practicing physician.  It was in a pub near Earl's Court Underground station.


The famous 'financial district' area by Earls Court tube stn...!?


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