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Post by Thorin on Sun Jul 30, 2017 10:02 am

Australia has foiled an Islamist-inspired "terrorist plot" to bring down an airplane with an improvised explosive, authorities said Sunday, after four people were arrested in raids across Sydney. Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull said the plot appeared to be "elaborate" rather than planned by a lone wolf, as security was beefed up at major domestic and international airports across the nation.

"I can report last night that there has been a major joint counter-terrorism operation to disrupt a terrorist plot to bring down an airplane," Mr Turnbull told reporters.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/30/australia-foils-islamist-terror-plot-bring-airplane/

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Post by nicko on Sun Jul 30, 2017 1:19 pm

According to Veya, you all get on famously !!
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:11 pm

No problem with islam over there...



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Post by nicko on Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:14 pm

They all "mix" together very well, never any problems. Any one who says otherwise is racist scum !
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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 30, 2017 2:29 pm

Maybe they arent proper Muslims...


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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:06 pm

Whatever...gd on the Aussies, mate. Congrats.

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Post by nicko on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:17 pm

There will be more to come Quill.
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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jul 30, 2017 4:58 pm

nicko wrote:There will be more to come Quill.

No doubt, but they're on top of it.

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Post by Syl on Sun Jul 30, 2017 5:45 pm

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nicko wrote:There will be more to come Quill.

No doubt, but they're on top of it.

They were on the ball with this and good luck to them, but NO ONE can say any country is "on top of it" when it comes to a section of society  wishing death and destruction on complete strangers.
Its hard to know who the enemy is or when the next random attack will be when the people who wish us harm are living, working, mixing, sometimes taking refuge with the people they hate.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:01 pm

The authorities had no idea about this until they got a last minute tip off...



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Post by Syl on Sun Jul 30, 2017 6:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:The authorities had no idea about this until they got a last minute tip off...



Luckily they did, but my point is that all it takes is a warped brainwashed dickhead to cause mayhem in a country.... nowhere in excempt, as we see on a weekly basis now...no matter how "on top of it" the authorities are..

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News just said Australia authorities have foiled 13 islamist plots in the last 3 years...



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Post by magica on Mon Jul 31, 2017 10:49 am

Good news for Oz. Smile

The thing is with all terrorist they only have to get lucky once, authorities have to get lucky all the time.

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magica wrote:Good news for Oz.   Smile

The thing is with all terrorist they only have to get lucky once, authorities have to get lucky all the time.

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

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Post by magica on Mon Jul 31, 2017 4:46 pm

Syl wrote:
magica wrote:Good news for Oz.   Smile

The thing is with all terrorist they only have to get lucky once, authorities have to get lucky all the time.

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

True Syl, it a very dangerous world we live in.

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Stop letting scum bags into the country, and install a strict system of long prison terms and deportation of those involved...!!!



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:02 am

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Stop letting scum bags into the country, and install a strict system of long prison terms and deportation of those involved...!!!

Which country is that, thomas?

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 01, 2017 6:45 am

All of them Quill?
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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Aug 01, 2017 7:17 am

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nicko wrote:There will be more to come Quill.

No doubt, but they're on top of it.

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Syl wrote:
magica wrote:Good news for Oz.   Smile

The thing is with all terrorist they only have to get lucky once, authorities have to get lucky all the time.

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

your right, we should thank the Aussie Muslim community for being so observant and reporting these threats.
it is all part and parcel with being part of the broader aussie community, not some separate group that gets isolated and treated like sub humans simply due to religion.

nicko can tell you how well isolating and demonizing ALL Muslims is going for the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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Post by Syl on Tue Aug 01, 2017 1:21 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

your right, we should thank the Aussie Muslim community for being so observant and reporting these threats.
it is all part and parcel with being part of the broader aussie community, not some separate group that gets isolated and treated like sub humans simply due to religion.

nicko can  tell you how well isolating and demonizing ALL Muslims is going for the UK  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes


We have Muslims that integrate very well in the UK Veya, many of them saved lives and ferried stranded traumatised people home or to hospitals after the recent attacks we have had here.

I hope for your sake you don't have communities of Muslims who shield potential terrorists, though it seems some at least meant your fellow citizens harm, so its best not to be too complacent.

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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 01, 2017 5:31 pm

I said some time ago, "your time will come" and it has. a lot more incidents in Australia have not been reported.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:19 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

your right, we should thank the Aussie Muslim community for being so observant and reporting these threats.
it is all part and parcel with being part of the broader aussie community, not some separate group that gets isolated and treated like sub humans simply due to religion.

nicko can  tell you how well isolating and demonizing ALL Muslims is going for the UK  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes



13 islamist plots in 3 years over in Australia...


And Muslims demonise all non Muslims...!!!



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Post by nicko on Tue Aug 01, 2017 8:38 pm

I'v never "demonised" as you put it, all Muslims, perhaps instead of shooting your mouth off you could show where I have done so?
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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
Syl wrote:

That's true....I don't think any country can relax...all to often the tip offs come from the public, without them there would be many more atrocities being carried out.

your right, we should thank the Aussie Muslim community for being so observant and reporting these threats.
it is all part and parcel with being part of the broader aussie community, not some separate group that gets isolated and treated like sub humans simply due to religion.

nicko can  tell you how well isolating and demonizing ALL Muslims is going for the UK  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes



13 islamist plots in 3 years over in Australia...


And Muslims demonise all non Muslims...!!!




No tommy
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Like you do.


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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Aug 02, 2017 6:29 am

nicko wrote:I'v never "demonised" as you put it, all Muslims,   perhaps instead of shooting your mouth off you could show where I have done so?

read your posts in this thread you dumbass
what do you think they are?

you said even National security cleared Muslims that I work with are talking about stabbing white people Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
That's demonizing ALL Muslims

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Aug 02, 2017 9:05 am

nicko wrote:
I said some time ago, "your time will come"    and it has.  a lot more incidents in Australia have not been reported.

Rolling Eyes

Bullshit, nicko... All you are doing is parrotting extreme right-wing scaremongers rhetoric..

Incidents do get reported (keeping in mind that an "incident" is when something actually does happen, meaning that there are witnesses, results, evidence..).

It's the suspicions, rumours, would-be plots that might not always be reported -- mainly because there's nothing to report; or there may still be ongoing operations or investigations.

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Post by nicko on Wed Aug 02, 2017 12:28 pm

Your Media does not report most of Muslim incidents, just like ours don't.
I have Relatives who live in Sydney, they keep me informed. Your head is firmly up your arse.
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veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


13 islamist plots in 3 years over in Australia...


And Muslims demonise all non Muslims...!!!




No tommy
DICKHEADS
demonize all of one group
Like you do.


Muslims follow the same guide book... and it clearly demonises all non Muslims...


https://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/articles/quran-hate.aspx

https://wikiislam.net/wiki/Qur%27an,_Hadith_and_Scholars:Non-Muslims

http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArticle.aspx?ARTID=31554



2.1.1 Non-Muslims are evil, protected and befriended by devils and their hearts are diseased; 2.1.2 Non-Muslims are like cattle or a dog that lolls out his tongue no ... disgrace non-Muslims; 2.7.4 Allah sees non-Muslims as the worst...


What does the Quran really say about non-Muslims - and does this explain the violence? ... Verse 7:176 compares unbelievers to "panting dogs" with regard to their ... Verses 46:29-35 even say that unbelieving men are worse than the demons...

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Post by nicko on Wed Aug 02, 2017 2:06 pm

He will learn Tommy, give it time.
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Unfortunately Nicko, veya is one of the people who will constantly deny all the truth about islam as being wrong/lies/hate speech etc...


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Would Veya be a Muslim?
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:25 am

nicko wrote:Would Veya be a Muslim?

why do you keep asking that ? Seriously can you not Comprehend someone defending other people that are being treated unfairly?
So for the 100th time
NO
I am not, I have Muslim friends and I have dated a Muslim girl. My brother dated a Muslim girl for like 7 years
even this year, having moved 230km away I was invited to and attended Eid al-Fitr celebrations.
I know 100% certain that most Muslims are just NORMAL people, most are far better people than you or tommy that seek to demonize an entire religion because your scared.

Would You be a racist geranium since that is who you always defend? You must be you only ever stick up for racist geranium

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Post by Thorin on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:39 am

veya_victaous wrote:
nicko wrote:Would Veya be a Muslim?

why do you keep asking that ?  Seriously can you not Comprehend someone defending other people that are being treated unfairly?
So for the 100th time
NO
I am not, I have Muslim friends and I have dated a Muslim girl. My brother dated a Muslim girl for like 7 years
even this year, having moved 230km away I was invited to and attended Eid al-Fitr celebrations.
I know 100% certain that most Muslims are just NORMAL people, most are far better people than you or tommy that seek  to demonize an entire religion because your scared.

Would You be a racist geranium since that is who you always defend? You must be you only ever stick up for racist geranium


They must have been very Liberal Muslims. As if someone wants to marry a Muslim girl, they have to convert to Islam. Normally if a Muslim girl dates a Non-Muslim, who has no intent of converting they are often ostracized by their family and in some cases even worse murdered in an honour killing.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:56 am

in EXTERME cases, NOT normal cases. If it where 'normally' the case there would be a lot more honor killing in Australia  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

Most fathers regardless of religion will protect their daughters. Do you think Zack would kill his daughter if she dated a English boy? do you think Sexy mama would approve her husband killing her kids if they dated a British person?

Most Muslims living in Australia are here because they Value the religious freedom of Australia. Most Muslims here have integrated. they support secular ideals.

Don't believe the demonization in the media, they are just people. they say the same shit about Jews, they used to say the same shit about Greeks, Italians and other non-Anglo Europeans when they came to Australia(let alone Asian in Pauline Hanson mark-I from the 90's). hormones and young people greatly assist integration.

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Post by Thorin on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:03 am

veya_victaous wrote:in EXTERME cases, NOT normal cases. If it where 'normally' the case there would be a lot more honor killing in Australia  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

Most fathers regardless of religion will protect their daughters. Do you think Zack would kill his daughter if she dated a English boy? do you think Sexy mama would approve her husband killing her kids if they dated a British person?

Most Muslims living in Australia are here because they Value the religious freedom of Australia. Most Muslims here have integrated. they support secular ideals.

Don't believe the demonization in the media, they are just people. they say the same shit about Jews, they used to say the same shit about Greeks, Italians and other non-Anglo Europeans when they came to Australia(let alone Asian in Pauline Hanson mark-I from the 90's). hormones and young people greatly assist integration.


No it is in the majority of cases. Like I said, they are often ostracized and in "some" cases murdered.

Why not ask Zack and Sexy if Muslim women carry marry Non-Muslim men, who do not convert?

Well if as you claim they value religious freedom, then they would not be good practitioners of their faith. lapsed, not literal believers. In other words, they would be progressive and Liberal/secular Muslims.
As again it is forbidden in Islam for a Non-Muslim man to marry a Muslim woman.

It has nothing to do with the demonization in the media but laws within Islam itself.

The same shit also happens with Orthodox Judaism. You see within the Abrahamic faiths they teach a religious apartheid against Non-Believers.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:06 am

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nicko wrote:There will be more to come Quill.

No doubt, but they're on top of it.

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even  more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  

just to show that I am not just making fun of the brits above
we have already returned threat level to normal.
because we have dealt with the few radicals, no need to constant berating of the Muslim community for months to appease the cowardly old racists (which really only just encourages another attack)

http://www.news.com.au/national/malcolm-turnbull-has-downgraded-the-aviation-terror-threat-from-probable-to-possible/news-story/d0efd03039a5733c3e42a52209356555


PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has downgraded Australia’s aviation terror threat from probable to possible in the wake of the alleged conspiracy to bomb a passenger jet flying out of Sydney.

Mr Turnbull said in Perth today, he expected charges to be laid over the thwarted terror plot and pledged to enhance security measures at airports across the country.

“The Director-General of ASIO (Duncan Lewis) has advised the threat to aviation will be restored to the level it was a week ago,” Mr Turnbull said.

“It was raised, as you know, last week, following the discovery of this plot. But it has now been restored to the level it was before.

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Re: Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

Post by Thorin on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:08 am

veya_victaous wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even  more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  

just to show that I am not just making fun of the brits above
we have already returned threat level to normal.
because we have dealt with the few radicals, no need to constant berating of the Muslim community for months to appease the cowardly old racists (which really only just encourages another attack)

http://www.news.com.au/national/malcolm-turnbull-has-downgraded-the-aviation-terror-threat-from-probable-to-possible/news-story/d0efd03039a5733c3e42a52209356555


PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has downgraded Australia’s aviation terror threat from probable to possible in the wake of the alleged conspiracy to bomb a passenger jet flying out of Sydney.

Mr Turnbull said in Perth today, he expected charges to be laid over the thwarted terror plot and pledged to enhance security measures at airports across the country.

“The Director-General of ASIO (Duncan Lewis) has advised the threat to aviation will be restored to the level it was a week ago,” Mr Turnbull said.

“It was raised, as you know, last week, following the discovery of this plot. But it has now been restored to the level it was before.


So probable is normal to you?   scratch

https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/securityandyourcommunity/pages/national-terrorism-threat-advisory-system.aspx

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Re: Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

Post by veya_victaous on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:28 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:in EXTERME cases, NOT normal cases. If it where 'normally' the case there would be a lot more honor killing in Australia  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes

Most fathers regardless of religion will protect their daughters. Do you think Zack would kill his daughter if she dated a English boy? do you think Sexy mama would approve her husband killing her kids if they dated a British person?

Most Muslims living in Australia are here because they Value the religious freedom of Australia. Most Muslims here have integrated. they support secular ideals.

Don't believe the demonization in the media, they are just people. they say the same shit about Jews, they used to say the same shit about Greeks, Italians and other non-Anglo Europeans when they came to Australia(let alone Asian in Pauline Hanson mark-I from the 90's). hormones and young people greatly assist integration.


No it is in the majority of cases. Like I said, they are often ostracized and in "some" cases murdered.

Why not ask Zack and Sexy if Muslim women carry marry Non-Muslim men, who do not convert?

Well if as you claim they value religious freedom, then they would be not be good practitioners of their faith, not literal believers. IE they would be progressive and Liberal/secular Muslims.
As again it is forbidden in Islam for a Non-Muslim man to marry a Muslim woman.

It has nothing to do with the demonization in the media but laws within Islam itself.

The same shit also happens with Orthodox Judaism. You see within the Abrahamic faiths they teach a religious apartheid against Non-Believers.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interfaith_marriage_in_Islam


NO IT IS NOT THE MAJORITY IN WESTERN NATIONS!!!

we cant ask zack, you got him banned

AND FUCKIN' DER of course they are not literal believers!!!!!
do you think most are? I mean seriously? do you actually think that? 1.6 billion literal fucking believers?



I can tell you from personal experience most are not (most people are not) but it is the culture they have been raised in just like ex-Christians still often have Christian teaching as their moral foundation there is some remnants. Most people in any faith (or even not religious) hold the same basic ideas of right and wrong. Her father might not have approved but he loved her and in Australia can't stop her (plus I'm not 'bad' having a good education and career)

In my brothers case, both families assumed they would get married and made an effort to integrate, we went to Eid with them and they came to Christmas with us.


What people like you need to do is go out and develop some real friendships with some people different than yourselves, People LIKE you need to actually embrace the secular ideals and just accept people for who they are!!! not what you think they are based on some old book and the totally ignorant assumption that people follow all of it to the letter. as soon as any religion is invented those that follow it create loopholes and raise or lower the importance of different values to suit the real world and base humanity that comes with being a hairless ape Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Re: Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

Post by veya_victaous on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:29 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even  more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  

just to show that I am not just making fun of the brits above
we have already returned threat level to normal.
because we have dealt with the few radicals, no need to constant berating of the Muslim community for months to appease the cowardly old racists (which really only just encourages another attack)

http://www.news.com.au/national/malcolm-turnbull-has-downgraded-the-aviation-terror-threat-from-probable-to-possible/news-story/d0efd03039a5733c3e42a52209356555


PRIME Minister Malcolm Turnbull has downgraded Australia’s aviation terror threat from probable to possible in the wake of the alleged conspiracy to bomb a passenger jet flying out of Sydney.

Mr Turnbull said in Perth today, he expected charges to be laid over the thwarted terror plot and pledged to enhance security measures at airports across the country.

“The Director-General of ASIO (Duncan Lewis) has advised the threat to aviation will be restored to the level it was a week ago,” Mr Turnbull said.

“It was raised, as you know, last week, following the discovery of this plot. But it has now been restored to the level it was before.


So probable is normal to you?   scratch

https://www.nationalsecurity.gov.au/securityandyourcommunity/pages/national-terrorism-threat-advisory-system.aspx

read the head line

Malcolm Turnbull has downgraded the aviation terror threat from probable to possible
Cool Cool Cool Cool

possible is normal

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Re: Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

Post by Thorin on Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:31 am

veya_victaous wrote:

read the head line

Malcolm Turnbull has downgraded the aviation terror threat from probable to possible
Cool Cool Cool Cool

possible is normal


How is possible normal to you?   scratch

Normal would be not expected.

That is also aviation threat, not terrorism per say, which is probable still.


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Re: Australia foils Islamist 'terror plot' to bring down airplane

Post by Thorin on Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:11 am

veya_victaous wrote:


NO IT IS NOT THE MAJORITY IN WESTERN NATIONS!!!
Thorin wrote:Yes in the majority of western nations

we cant ask zack, you got him banned
Thorin wrote:I never got him banned and asked that he should not be banned, so stop lying, what he said was out of order, are you defending what he said?
Even Sexy thinks what he said was out of order.

AND FUCKIN' DER of course they are not literal believers!!!!!
do you think most are?  I mean seriously?  do you actually think that? 1.6 billion literal fucking believers?

Thorin wrote:Well if most are not literal believers, as you claim, you should be able to back this up. Can you on stats? For example in the Uk a majority think homosexuality should be criminalized

http://www.channel4.com/info/press/news/c4-survey-and-documentary-reveals-what-british-Muslims-really-think


I can tell you from personal experience most are not (most people are not) but it is the culture they have been raised in just like ex-Christians still often have Christian teaching as their moral foundation there is some remnants. Most people in any faith (or even not religious) hold the same basic ideas of right and wrong. Her father might not have approved but he loved her and in Australia can't stop her (plus I'm not 'bad' having a good education and career)
Thorin wrote:From your own personal experience you are only ever going to know a minimal amount of Muslims. So to use your experience is moot when faced with the reality there is a massive prejudice against Muslim women marrying Non-Muslim men, this is a fact

In my brothers case, both families assumed they would get married and made an effort to integrate, we went to Eid with them and they came to Christmas with us.  
Thorin wrote:Then they thankfully would be progressive liberal Muslims and not literal believers like the majority of Muslims. The more liberal, secular, progressive religious believers the better no matter the religious faith.


What people like you need to do is go out and develop some real friendships with some people different than yourselves, People LIKE you need to actually embrace the secular ideals and just accept people for who they are!!! not what you think they are based on some old book and the totally ignorant assumption that people follow all of it to the letter. as soon as any religion is invented those that follow it create loopholes and raise or lower the importance of different values to suit the real world and base humanity that comes with being a hairless ape Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Thorin wrote:I have Muslim friends, but you are ignoring the facts here and that many are ostracized by their families if they marry a Non-Muslim or leave the faith.

Again ask Sexy or Zack whether a Muslim woman is allowed to marry a Non Muslim male in Islam, if they have not converted?

people are people, the sky is the sky ~Japanese proverb

I do accept who people are until they try and enforce their views onto others as many literal religious people do. Where they then discriminate against and persecute others. You though seem to think this is acceptable.

Its never acceptable.



Ostracism and shame

For 22 years, Mandy Sanghera has worked with women who have married out of their faith, and counseled their family members. Like Bond, she says transgressing women rejected by their families often withdraw from their faith, as they are unable to enter a mosque or interact with the community.

Interfaith relationships have at times led to ostracism and violence against the couples, sometimes even resulting in forced marriages and honour killings. According to the UK constabulary, 2,823 honour crimes were reported to the police in 2010 and an estimated 10,000 forced marriages take place in Britain every year.

Many women in interfaith relationships, says Sanghera, have been disowned by their families, who in turn are often shamed with hate mail, threats and assault. "They never overcome the shame element of what their neighbours and the community will think,” says Sanghera. “And their daughters become part of a witch-hunt, always looking over their shoulders for the rest of their lives."

Heather Al Yousuf is a Christian married to a Shia Muslim. In the late 1990s she decided to launch the Interfaith Marriage Network, a support group for Muslim-Christian couples.

She is approached by an average of 100 couples per year. Initially the couples were mostly Muslim men and non–Muslim women, but now about half are Muslim women with non-Muslim partners. Similar groups are also underway in Germany, France and Austria, Al Yousuf says.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/12/2012122795639455824.html

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Aug 04, 2017 10:48 am

. Where they then discriminate against and persecute others. You though seem to think this is acceptable.

Its never acceptable.


but that is what You do everyday confused confused confused confused

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Post by Thorin on Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:14 am

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. Where they then discriminate against and persecute others. You though seem to think this is acceptable.

Its never acceptable.


but that is what You do everyday confused confused confused confused

Really?

So you think criticism of a belief is discriminating against that believer?

So if you are critical of conservatism, does that mean you discriminate against Conservatives?

If you are critical of Zionism, does that mean you discriminate against Zionists?

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:36 pm

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:
. Where they then discriminate against and persecute others. You though seem to think this is acceptable.

Its never acceptable.


but that is what You do everyday confused confused confused confused

Really?

So you think criticism of a belief is discriminating against that believer?

So if you are critical of conservatism, does that mean you discriminate against Conservatives?

If you are critical of Zionism, does that mean you discriminate against Zionists?

what will you do if i just say Yes Cool Cool Cool Cool

although i think your real point is me and my brother are better at 'converting' Muslim girls than all British men combined Razz Razz Razz Razz

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Post by Thorin on Fri Aug 04, 2017 2:17 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:

Really?

So you think criticism of a belief is discriminating against that believer?

So if you are critical of conservatism, does that mean you discriminate against Conservatives?

If you are critical of Zionism, does that mean you discriminate against Zionists?

what will you do if i just say Yes Cool Cool Cool Cool

although i think your real point is me and my brother are better at 'converting' Muslim girls than all British men combined Razz Razz Razz Razz


What would I do?

Not much, but it would show you extend your criticism of a belief, to discriminate people themselves, making us completely different. As i do not discriminate people for their beliefs. I will be critical of beliefs. Especially when believers force their beliefs and it effects the well being of others. Those who do, I will condemn.

In fact it would explain greatly how you are unable to separate the difference between criticism of a belief and discrimination of a person.

So did you convert them to leave Islam?

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Post by Miffs2 on Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:23 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
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No doubt, but they're on top of it.

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even  more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  

Must be a bit disappointing for you Veya, for all your posturing about how integrated Australian Muslims are and how all singing and fluffy and wonderful it all is, ISIS still hate you as much as they do the rest of us. Your capitulation didn't help it seems.
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Post by Original Quill on Fri Aug 04, 2017 3:32 pm

Miffs2 wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

plus we aren't chicken shit like the brits (fools are scared of foxes too Razz Razz Razz Razz )

the vast majority of Muslims are fine,
it's just a few like there is a few whites or asians that get into organized crime

I mean some think this make the world very dangerous.... your more likely to be killed 1000's of things over terrorists.
your even  more likely to kill yourself than be killed by terrorists.

the level of acceptable threat is just realistic here, not cowardly chicken livered level as found in the UK Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes  

Must be a bit disappointing for you Veya, for all your posturing about how integrated Australian Muslims are and how all singing and fluffy and wonderful it all is, ISIS still hate you as much as they do the rest of us. Your capitulation didn't help it seems.

There are criminals in all walks of life. Even our White House. You can't generalize from specifics.

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