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Post by Thorin on Tue Jul 18, 2017 11:22 am

More than three quarters of Labour Party members are now drawn from the most affluent social classes in Britain, making somewhat of a mockery of Jezza’s claim to be leading a workers’ movement. Professor Tim Bale’s Party Members Project finds that 77% of surveyed Labour members are in the ABC1 social group. ABC1s are Britain’s richest and most-educated, working in professional or managerial jobs. The proportion of ABC1 Labour members has also increased since the last survey (and since Corbyn became leader): ABC1 members are up 7% from from 70% in 2015. The C2DE classes – who work in manual jobs, and whom Labour traditionally represents – now account for just 23% of the party’s membership. Naturally, in its exclusive write-up of the findings, the Guardian buried this demographic info in the second-to-last paragraph. Up the ABC1s!


https://order-order.com/2017/07/18/abc1s-labour-members-overwhelmingly-affluent/

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Re: Labour Membership So Middle Class

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Jul 18, 2017 1:45 pm

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Arrow          How many Brit's work in "manual labour" jobs these days, compared to 50 or 60 years ago ..   15%,  20%  ???

A lot of entry-level "manual" jobs have disappeared to mechanisation , automation and 'off-shoring', down here just since I left school in the 1970s;  and I suspect it's quite similar over there..

Down here, the Labor party membership includes tradies and wharfies, nurses and teachers, academics and farmers, and a few small business owners scattered around --  both major political parties here (Labor to the left-of centre, and the Lib's on the centre-right) can be described as "broad church" organisations in the makeup of their membership bases..

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Jul 18, 2017 4:43 pm

Labour is full of champagne socialist hypocrites... they love mass immigration because it pishes up the value of their homes and they can get a cheap foreign nanny for the kids and a cheap foreign plumber etc...


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Re: Labour Membership So Middle Class

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Jul 19, 2017 3:28 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Labour is full of champagne socialist hypocrites... they love mass immigration because it pishes up the value of their homes and they can get a cheap foreign nanny for the kids and a cheap foreign plumber etc...

Laughing

We have our share of "champagne socialists" down here, as well -- most of them based in inner suburbs of Sydney, Melbourne, and to a lesser degree Brisbane, Adelaide and Newcastle -- with their parties of choice often being either Labor or the Greens...

They are a rare breed out in the regions and rural areas, though..

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Re: Labour Membership So Middle Class

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Jul 19, 2017 9:43 pm



Actually...


ABC1s vs C2DEs
Social grade defines occupation type of highest income earner in household:
A - Higher managerial, administrative and professional.
B - Intermediate managerial, administrative and professional
C1 - Supervisory, clerical and junior managerial, administrative and professional
C2 - Skilled manual workers
D - Semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers
E - State pensioners, casual and lowest grade workers, unemployed with state benefits only

The figures compiled by Ipsos Mori from the National Readership Survey show that in 1968, two-thirds of households were in the manual or lower-paid social grade bracket known as C2DEs.

But by 2015, the proportion of C2DEs... = 45.8%.


https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/feb/26/uk-more-middle-class-than-working-class-2000-data


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Re: Labour Membership So Middle Class

Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jul 20, 2017 7:17 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Actually...


ABC1s vs C2DEs
Social grade defines occupation type of highest income earner in household:
A - Higher managerial, administrative and professional.
B - Intermediate managerial, administrative and professional
C1 - Supervisory, clerical and junior managerial, administrative and professional
C2 - Skilled manual workers
D - Semi-skilled and unskilled manual workers
E - State pensioners, casual and lowest grade workers, unemployed with state benefits only

The figures compiled by Ipsos Mori from the National Readership Survey show that in 1968, two-thirds of households were in the manual or lower-paid social grade bracket known as C2DEs.

But by 2015, the proportion of C2DEs... = 45.8%.


https://www.theguardian.com/news/datablog/2016/feb/26/uk-more-middle-class-than-working-class-2000-data


Just pointing out the obvious that the grading doesn't encompass engineers, analysts and technicians which can easily ear more than the B group
in fact C2 can earn more then B easily too if you include plumbers and electricians.
C1 roles are often poorly paid now, anyone can be a McManager

Many of the old unskilled jobs simply don't exist anymore and that will continue with most skill labor getting automated too and you don't need HR or Line supervisors for Robots.

So is the OP just pointing out the evolving base of a successful party? since it has found new membership demographics when it's traditional demographics shrank.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jul 20, 2017 11:20 am



And not forgetting that these days, many underground miners and quarry ("open cut") workers, oil rig workers, and deep sea fishermen,  can be earning the equivalent of £100,000 or more a year...

Many self-employed farmers and small-business owners (whose qualifications place them in lower grades on that scale..) are millionaires today, on the basis of capital value --  often boosted by skyrocketing property values..

That table's ranking could seem to be quite "London-centric" to me ?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Jul 20, 2017 2:43 pm

I was pointing out the % of people doing manual labour jobs, as it was claimed it was much lower than it is...


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jul 20, 2017 4:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
I was pointing out the % of people doing manual labour jobs, as it was claimed it was much lower than it is...

Smile

Maybe that classification of "manual labour" only included the likes of labourers, trades assistants, cleaners and farmhands ???

Leaving out other types of genuine "manual" work -- such as farmers, gardeners and groundsmen, strappers and stablehands, storemen, wharfies, boathands, tradies, craftsmen, artists -- could effectively halve the actual proportion of people who still 'work with their hands' most of the time ?

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