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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:56 am

Absolute fucking bastards.
Not only denying heroic policemen who challenge machette weilding terrorists, fearless firefighters running into infernos to save  lives or nurses and paramedics who work beyond the call of duty a decent psy risr,but they fucking CHEER at the news .
But they are bloody quick enough to snatch their own 11% rise.
They are beyond contempt, lower than pondlife.
How the fuck do they sleep at night? Have they no conscience? 
http://evolvepolitics.com/tory-mps-cheer-blocking-labour-amendment-give-fair-pay-heroic-emergency-services/


I have no doubt the usual vile rw ers will come crawling out from under their rocks to issue a defence of the undefendable.


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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:02 am

Nurses do not deserve any pay rises, as they have become nothing more than glorified cares. I mean they do nothing like what they used to do and spend most of their time chatting as they do at the hospital I work at. Some admin work. On nights, they get the porters to get out spare beds, from the bed stores, so they can take turns sleeping. They refuse to move patients in wheelchairs, because the hospital wastes and pays money for porters to do something the nurses could do. It pays cleaners to clean beds, of which the nurses used to do. When there is a need to cover shifts, they deny Nurses in working overtime and pay for Temp Nurses from London to cover the shifts, paying taxi's for them to Ashford and and accommodation. I could go on about how I see now nurses as a pale shadow of what they formerly were in this country. Of which they refuse to do many things they are physically able to do, but because of Union militants. Have turned them into nothing more than glorified carer/admin staff.

The Police and Fire Brigade should have better pay rises.

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:04 am

Says it all really.
Perhaps Didge has had a bad expeience at his daycare centre. Keep taking your meds, they may work one day.
You sir are a cnut. The nurses you hate so much SAVED MY DAUGHTER'S  LIFE LAST YEAR.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:07 am

Angry Andy wrote:Says it all really.
Perhaps Didge has had a bad expeience at his daycare centre. Keep taking your meds, they may work one day.


I work at a hospital Andy and it says it all that you ignore the facts

I see you also make it personal, because as seen you are nothing more than a childish brat, who because he does not get his ways, spouts his hateful crap all over this forum

Now either take on the points or run along

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:09 am



Herr Boris, St Theresa and their cronies should be paid "on performance"...

Then they would be paying Britain back, rather than suckling on the parliamentary teats..

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Post by nicko on Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:12 am

Gave you a green for that Didge, have been in and out of Hospitals a lot of times in the last years. I could add a few more complaints, Nurses gathered around the station at 2am in the morning gossiping about their boyfriends and laughing loudly. Nurses ignoring people pressing their buzzers desperate to go to the toilet and others clumping along the ward at night with their shoes waking everyone up ! funny how people treat them [and Doctors] as gods, they are not! they are people doing their jobs, and they are not badly paid as they would have you believe.
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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:47 am

Porter or League of Freinds assistant? 
Or in your oen warped mind , surgeon general.
Perhaps "Walter Mitty "might be more appropriate username for you.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Jun 29, 2017 11:56 am

Angry Andy wrote:Absolute fucking bastards.
Not only denying heroic policemen who challenge machette weilding terrorists, fearless firefighters running into infernos to save  lives or nurses and paramedics who work beyond the call of duty a decent psy risr,but they fucking CHEER at the news .
But they are bloody quick enough to snatch their own 11% rise.
They are beyond contempt, lower than pondlife.
How the fuck do they sleep at night? Have they no conscience? 
http://evolvepolitics.com/tory-mps-cheer-blocking-labour-amendment-give-fair-pay-heroic-emergency-services/


I have no doubt the usual vile rw ers will come crawling out from under their rocks to issue a defence of the undefendable.

Well this "vile re er" (for real vile I would suggest a glance at the utterly sickening, disgusting series of sheer naked "hate" threads and foul overt sexism against named posters in which you are personally complicit elsewhere) happens to believe that the public sector pay cap should be lifted, particularly for NHS front line staff rather than the executive fat cats who are milking the budget for all it's worth, and for the "other rank" plods, firefighters and young teachers whom we so desperately need.

If something is not done about the 1 per cent cap - and soon - the recruitment, retention and morale problems will start resulting in more of the sort of human tragedies that we have just seen.

Labour notched up a success in almost forcing a Government defeat on the Queen's Speech, but my feeling is that this moral victory might well prove to be a pyrrhic one.

May's star is fading, but that of Philip Hammond is, IMO, in the ascendancy. And Hammond is, I gather, known to recognise the problem and the need to do something about easing it as a matter of urgency.

OK, so he is bound as things stand to support the government of which he is a key member, particularly when it comes to opportune Commons confidence motions...but who knows what is going on at Cabinet level behind the scenes?

The Tory election campaign was a mess, mainly I suggest because it was centred far too much on Theresa May, and regardless of her other qualities she lacks charisma and is not good on TV and in front of ordinary folk. And today that counts.

Hammond is something of a "quiet man" but is a pretty shrewd one, and he is known to be miffed that he was kept largely away from the sharp end of the campaign - and it also became widely suspected that once back in power, May would have given him the boot.

She can't do that as things stand...but the boot may well  be firmly on Hammond's own foot now.
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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:11 pm

After the trauma of your late wife's illness, I thought you would recognise and be supportive of the 'shop floor' NHS workers clsims for the cap to be lifted, as well as the fire service and police.
For that I thank you, Fred.
What I see is the beginning of a civil war within the tory party. A number of tory MP's voted on party lines against their own held beliefs. That cannot and will not happen every time. It will only take 7 to swap votes and they will lose.
Like him or loathe him, Corbyn played a blinder yesterday, not only has he youth backing him, also most of the public sector as well as those who respect and admire our emergency services and believe them deserving of a fair pay rise.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:12 pm

Thorin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Says it all really.
Perhaps Didge has had a bad expeience at his daycare centre. Keep taking your meds, they may work one day.


I work at a hospital Andy and it says it all that you ignore the facts

I see you also make it personal, because as seen you are nothing more than a childish brat, who because he does not get his ways, spouts his hateful crap all over this forum

Now either take on the points or run along

Nursing has become devalued, especially since 2010.

They've had to work a lot harder, while their pay has stagnated with inflation.

If we don't value them, then we have the situation we have now. With nurses either leaving or graduates who'd rather work in Tesco for the same money. And the ones who remain, are over stressed due to a shortage of staff and extra duties.

Then you had Tories who stopped nurses coming in from outside the EU, which has led to understaffing. None of this isn't exactly motivational.

Hope you're not in NHS management.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:18 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Thorin wrote:


I work at a hospital Andy and it says it all that you ignore the facts

I see you also make it personal, because as seen you are nothing more than a childish brat, who because he does not get his ways, spouts his hateful crap all over this forum

Now either take on the points or run along

Nursing has become devalued, especially since 2010.

They've had to work a lot harder, while their pay has stagnated with inflation.

If we don't value them, then we have the situation we have now. With nurses either leaving or graduates who'd rather work in Tesco for the same money. And the ones who remain, are over stressed due to a shortage of staff and extra duties.

Then you had Tories who stopped nurses coming in from outside the EU, which has led to understaffing. None of this isn't exactly motivational.

Hope you're not in NHS management.



Well maybe we need to change how we run hospitals because they are not value for money Zack

I agree on the shortage issue, but then there should be a clause that no nurse should be able to leave for jobs abroad, in the contract they sign when training in hospitals. For at least 10 years. As I say the way money is spent within hospitals is shambolic.

So again you want to pay Nurse who are nothing more that over glorified carers these days, and even then in that department they lack a duty of care for the patients. You find better duty of care from the health care assistants.

You then end on your usual immaturity, but this is coming from someone who bypassed the normal procedure of applying and being interviewed for a job and had this given to them through the family, only then for you to fuck it all up. So its doubtul you could ever advise anyone on how something should be run. Only on screwing it up .Now if you want to continue getting personal, I am more than happy to accommodate you on this

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:19 pm

nicko wrote:Gave you a green for that Didge,     have been in and out of Hospitals a lot of times in the last  years.   I could add a few more complaints,  Nurses gathered around the station at 2am in the morning gossiping about their boyfriends and laughing loudly.   Nurses ignoring people pressing their buzzers desperate to go to the toilet and others clumping along the ward at night with their shoes waking everyone up ! funny how people treat them [and Doctors] as gods,  they are not!  they are people doing their jobs, and they are not badly paid as they would have you believe.


Thanks mate, sadly some do not live in the real world and see the reality of the situation.
The only nurses worth their salt in my hospital are the A&E nurses.

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:04 pm

Angry Andy wrote:After the trauma of your late wife's illness, I thought you would recognise and be supportive of the 'shop floor' NHS workers clsims for the cap to be lifted, as well as the fire service and police.
For that I thank you, Fred.
What I see is the beginning of a civil war within the tory party. A number of tory MP's voted on party lines against their own held beliefs. That cannot and will not happen every time. It will only take 7 to swap votes and they will lose.
Like him or loathe him, Corbyn played a blinder yesterday, not only has he youth backing him, also most of the public sector as well as those who respect and admire our emergency services and believe them deserving of a fair pay rise.

I have never said or even believed anything other than that about our emergency services.

Apart from anything else, my late brother was one of them...a long serving cop whose memory is repeatedly traduced and insulted in your own vile little coven, and who has even been alleged by one of you to be one of the officers under criminal investigation over Hillsborough - when he was actually one of the Coroner's Officers from a neighbouring force called in because of his specialist skills in comforting and helping bereaved families through the trauma and necessary legal procedures of identification.

He was still having flashbacks and nightmares about what he saw until the day he died.

Next time the three of you are laughing over your sick jokes and foul allegations, you just might like to consider that.

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:30 pm

I lsugh and rip into Breivik and Cox murderer supporting  arseholes like Sawyer, Stormee, Bandit and Kaka. Are they real people?
Seems they are psychotic sociapaths acting out their fantasies in front of a laptop.
Would they say what they say on forums in the pub?
No, because they would be hospitalised.
Do I trust and believe anything from posters who support their oxygen supplier? Do I need to answer that?

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:27 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Nursing has become devalued, especially since 2010.

They've had to work a lot harder, while their pay has stagnated with inflation.

If we don't value them, then we have the situation we have now. With nurses either leaving or graduates who'd rather work in Tesco for the same money. And the ones who remain, are over stressed due to a shortage of staff and extra duties.

Then you had Tories who stopped nurses coming in from outside the EU, which has led to understaffing. None of this isn't exactly motivational.

Hope you're not in NHS management.



Well maybe we need to change how we run hospitals because they are not value for money Zack

I agree on the shortage issue, but then there should be a clause that no nurse should be able to leave for jobs abroad, in the contract they sign when training in hospitals. For at least 10 years. As I say the way money is spent within hospitals is shambolic.

So again you want to pay Nurse who are nothing more that over glorified carers these days, and even then in that department they lack a duty of care for the patients. You find better duty of care from the health care assistants.

You then end on your usual immaturity, but this is coming from someone who bypassed the normal procedure of applying and being interviewed for a job and had this given to them through the family, only then for you to fuck it all up. So its doubtul you could ever advise anyone on how something should be run. Only on screwing it up .Now if you want to continue getting personal, I am more than happy to accommodate you on this

Lol!

I was going to partially agree with you and say that the other side of of valuing nursing, is to have linked to performance.

But now I'm more interested how a little fucktard like yourself is going to make this personal. Go for it.

I'm already being head hunted as a consultant, here and in Dubai. So I'm not sure how I fucked it up by saving 70 jobs. What have you ever done with your life? You're too scared to talk about the real you.
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:33 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Well maybe we need to change how we run hospitals because they are not value for money Zack

I agree on the shortage issue, but then there should be a clause that no nurse should be able to leave for jobs abroad, in the contract they sign when training in hospitals. For at least 10 years. As I say the way money is spent within hospitals is shambolic.

So again you want to pay Nurse who are nothing more that over glorified carers these days, and even then in that department they lack a duty of care for the patients. You find better duty of care from the health care assistants.

You then end on your usual immaturity, but this is coming from someone who bypassed the normal procedure of applying and being interviewed for a job and had this given to them through the family, only then for you to fuck it all up. So its doubtul you could ever advise anyone on how something should be run. Only on screwing it up .Now if you want to continue getting personal, I am more than happy to accommodate you on this

Lol!

I was going to partially agree with you and say that the other side of of valuing nursing, is to have linked to performance.

But now I'm more interested how a little fucktard like yourself is going to make this personal. Go for it.

I'm already being head hunted as a consultant, here and in Dubai. So I'm not sure how I fucked it up by saving 70 jobs. What have you ever done with your life? You're too scared to talk about the real you.  


Triggered

Are you being headhunted?
Good for you, but you clearly are too proud.
I have done plenty buddy, but I dont try to big myself up as you did, talk about insecurities.
You should not have to explain yourself and yet you did, as you clearly care what people think of you.

You need not or should worry what others think

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:40 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

Lol!

I was going to partially agree with you and say that the other side of of valuing nursing, is to have linked to performance.

But now I'm more interested how a little fucktard like yourself is going to make this personal. Go for it.

I'm already being head hunted as a consultant, here and in Dubai. So I'm not sure how I fucked it up by saving 70 jobs. What have you ever done with your life? You're too scared to talk about the real you.  


Triggered

Are you being headhunted?
Good for you, but you clearly are too proud.
I have done plenty buddy, but I dont try to big myself up as you did, talk about insecurities.
You should not have to explain yourself and yet you did, as you clearly care what people think of you.

You need not or should worry what others think

I called you out and is that all you have? HA HA!

You're a bitch as well as a coward.

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Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Triggered

Are you being headhunted?
Good for you, but you clearly are too proud.
I have done plenty buddy, but I dont try to big myself up as you did, talk about insecurities.
You should not have to explain yourself and yet you did, as you clearly care what people think of you.

You need not or should worry what others think

I called you out and is that all you have? HA HA!

You're a bitch as well as a coward.



triggered again


I actually  had you dancing like a puppet on a string

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:45 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I called you out and is that all you have? HA HA!

You're a bitch as well as a coward.



triggered again


I actually  had you dancing like a puppet on a string

tongue

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:47 pm

There's a limit as to what nurses can focus on in a single working day.

The burden of admin and paperwork (due to regulations, which I'm not against) means hands on care suffers.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 2:47 pm

They're being asked to do more, for less. So where's the motivation?
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Fuzzy Zack wrote:There's a limit as to what nurses can focus on in a single working day.

The burden of admin and paperwork (due to regulations, which I'm not against) means hands on care suffers.



Really?

A limit?

Do you actually see what they do most of the time.

Half is spent on admin updating medical records, quite a bit on chatting and some time on observations, and on nights, quite a bit of sleeping.

What needs to happen is a restructure of hospitals and how jobs are allocated. One that a respite home is built beside all hospitals. To relieve the pressure in hospitals, when many beds are taken up by the elderly patients. There are many areas that require changing

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:09 pm

You mean privatize the NHS?
Thats what the conservatives are planning.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:11 pm

Thorin wrote:Nurses do not deserve any pay rises, as they have become nothing more than glorified cares. I mean they do nothing like what they used to do and spend most of their time chatting as they do at the hospital I work at. Some admin work. On nights, they get the porters to get out spare beds, from the bed stores, so they can take turns sleeping. They refuse to move patients in wheelchairs, because the hospital wastes and pays money for porters to do something the nurses could do. It pays cleaners to clean beds, of which the nurses used to do. When there is a need to cover shifts, they deny Nurses in working overtime and pay for Temp Nurses from London to cover the shifts, paying taxi's for them to Ashford and and accommodation. I could go on about how I see now nurses as a pale shadow of what they formerly were in this country. Of which they refuse to do many things they are physically able to do, but because of Union militants. Have turned them into nothing more than glorified carer/admin staff.

The Police and Fire Brigade should have better pay rises.

have a red from me thorin...

i dont know how you came across such a situation, but when my son was in hospital with bowel cancer the nurses were superb, both to HIM and to me, helpful knowlegeable and caring....the ward was spotless, the station quiet at all times, they were available 24/7 without delay. There could be no faullt placed at them

now secondly...HA

since scrat and co (and indeed yourself) consider that my nominal membership of flap relegates me to the same sort of insect as smelly and co you are plainly lying (a noteable trait over there on your other place) when you say/imply that they are all that concern you.
you are thus held responsible (i the same way I am for being on flap) for the filth aimed at posters on here from your alternative truth site. So you can stop your falsity when trying to suck up to fred, when you know damn well you agree by your silence when that creature phil and its fellow scrat start purveying their lise and bile about fred over there.....

like scrat and phil, you are little but a fraud, a fawning toady to the idiots.....

so...just like THEY (?and you) view me...so I (and most here) view YOU.

its kinda karmic

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:12 pm

Angry Andy wrote:You mean privatize the NHS?
Thats what the conservatives are planning.


Not at all, where did I say privatise?

I never did, what did I say?

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:22 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:Nurses do not deserve any pay rises, as they have become nothing more than glorified cares. I mean they do nothing like what they used to do and spend most of their time chatting as they do at the hospital I work at. Some admin work. On nights, they get the porters to get out spare beds, from the bed stores, so they can take turns sleeping. They refuse to move patients in wheelchairs, because the hospital wastes and pays money for porters to do something the nurses could do. It pays cleaners to clean beds, of which the nurses used to do. When there is a need to cover shifts, they deny Nurses in working overtime and pay for Temp Nurses from London to cover the shifts, paying taxi's for them to Ashford and and accommodation. I could go on about how I see now nurses as a pale shadow of what they formerly were in this country. Of which they refuse to do many things they are physically able to do, but because of Union militants. Have turned them into nothing more than glorified carer/admin staff.

The Police and Fire Brigade should have better pay rises.

have a red from me thorin...

i dont know how you came across such a situation, but when my son was in hospital with bowel cancer the nurses were superb, both to HIM and to me, helpful knowlegeable and caring....the ward was spotless, the station quiet at all times, they were available 24/7 without delay. There could be no faullt placed at them

now secondly...HA

since scrat and co (and indeed yourself) consider that my nominal membership of flap relegates me to the same sort of insect as smelly and co you are plainly lying (a noteable trait over there on your other place) when you say/imply that they are all that concern you.
you are thus held responsible (i the same way I am for being on flap) for the filth aimed at posters on here from your alternative truth site. So you can stop your falsity when trying to suck up to fred, when you know damn well you agree by your silence when that creature phil and its fellow scrat start purveying their lise and bile about fred over there.....

like scrat and phil, you are little but a fraud, a fawning toady to the idiots.....

so...just like THEY (?and you) view me...so I (and most here) view YOU.

its kinda karmic


For one, I have no interest in debating fake people like yourself

Second, I have made no view in regards to you about Flap

Third on speakfree I stood up for Fred's half brother whilst many of you were vile to him, claiming he was not real

Fourth I have no idea what you are on about what scrat and Phil are on a about as I am not on the other forum, so you are barking up the wrong tree as per usual

Now unless you have anything to say that is not a falsehood, as the above is a complete load of lies of which I have made no views about you on flap. I have no interesting in engaging you in debate, especially when you invent the above load of crap about me. i will only confer with you when it is in regards to moderation.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 3:49 pm

Thorin wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:You mean privatize the NHS?
Thats what the conservatives are planning.


Not at all, where did I say privatise?

I never did, what did I say?

The NHS outsource respite care for the elderly already. To nursing homes.

For the NHS, this is more cost efficient.
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Not at all, where did I say privatise?

I never did, what did I say?

The NHS outsource respite care for the elderly already. To nursing homes.

For the NHS, this is more cost efficient.


But many end up staying in hospital, as they do not have homes to go to, or people to care for them. What is needed is short to mid term respite care homes within the grounds paid for by the NHS, that if their conditions worsens, you have doctors and nurses on hand to help them. This will free up hospital beds. Which is a chronic shortage of at the moment, where in fact they are going to hire these high tech trailers that cost a fortune to hire. One will be a Theater, one will be a recovery ward, and two other wards. Another aspect that has to change is A&E, where you have a doctor that triage's patients on entering.

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:00 pm

And you think ES is abusive.

This was posted on Flop.
Most, but not all dispised it.

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[size=31]Fucking hell, everyone is Sooooooooooo serious. 

Did several people recently die or something?? 

Come on guys, remember we won't let hatred win they shall not divide  us, we stand united and all that good shit. 

Youve got to laugh in the face of bomb blasts and the akbar stabbers, and who better to laugh at then sassy??

She isn't even here so she won't even read that, it can be our little secret  

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:10 pm

As everyone would, including myself despise it, so what do you want to do, when I am not on there and people already are against it?

I have gotten into trouble for taking to talking about the other forum. Where they have made it an obsession to start threads about me. Where they actually prove how I can admit to being wrong, by showing views I once made in the past. I am thankful of that, as it shows I can and do question things all the time. Now if they want to be obsessed and talk about me, let them. If this is what makes them happy, well that is a sad reality of hate they live by. Now I have been wrongly accused on here of nothing I did on this same forum, as i do not post there.

So what worth is this bringing fights here?

Even worse when you stand by and do not speak out when Fred, myself, Victor, Rags, Eddie and now Eilzel are called some of the most vilest insults?

You want people to act?

Then lead by example and condemn, as otherwise you just come across as a hypocrite Andy.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:14 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

The NHS outsource respite care for the elderly already. To nursing homes.

For the NHS, this is more cost efficient.


But many end up staying in hospital, as they do not have homes to go to, or people to care for them. What is needed is short to mid term respite care homes within the grounds paid for by the NHS, that if their conditions worsens, you have doctors and nurses on hand to help them. This will free up hospital beds. Which is a chronic shortage of at the moment, where in fact they are going to hire these high tech trailers that cost a fortune to hire. One will be a Theater, one will be a recovery ward, and two other wards. Another aspect that has to change is A&E, where you have a doctor that triage's patients on entering.

I don't know if you know the difference -

But you seem ok on spending 10's of billions on capital expenditure but unwilling to spends 10's of millions on operational costs. That's like a factor of a 1000.

Hmm!
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:18 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Thorin wrote:


But many end up staying in hospital, as they do not have homes to go to, or people to care for them. What is needed is short to mid term respite care homes within the grounds paid for by the NHS, that if their conditions worsens, you have doctors and nurses on hand to help them. This will free up hospital beds. Which is a chronic shortage of at the moment, where in fact they are going to hire these high tech trailers that cost a fortune to hire. One will be a Theater, one will be a recovery ward, and two other wards. Another aspect that has to change is A&E, where you have a doctor that triage's patients on entering.

I don't know if you know the difference -

But you seem ok on spending 10's of billions on capital expenditure but unwilling to spends 10's of millions on operational costs. That's like a factor of a 1000.

Hmm!


Really you show me where you come to the conclusion of your maths and costs, instead of pulling them out of thin air? Do you even know how much each patient costs remaining in hospital beds?

Hmm indeed

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:21 pm

Angry Andy wrote:And you think ES is abusive.

This was posted on Flop.
Most, but not all dispised it.

smelly-bandit on Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:53 pm

[size=31]Fucking hell, everyone is Sooooooooooo serious. 

Did several people recently die or something?? 

Come on guys, remember we won't let hatred win they shall not divide  us, we stand united and all that good shit. 

Youve got to laugh in the face of bomb blasts and the akbar stabbers, and who better to laugh at then sassy??

She isn't even here so she won't even read that, it can be our little secret  

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Most of us would not dignify a disgraceful post like that with a reply. And we didn't.

On the other hand, how do you justify your demand on ES that a poster's account should be deleted simply because she objected to your little buddy Phil routinely referring to female posters as c**ts and b****es and then, when he launched his predictably filthy sexist attack on her kicked the shit out of him until he was a gibbering wreck gabbling inanely about his big inheritance and his "luxury recliner"?

One "fishwife" who spectacularly shoved him back in the gutter where he belongs, eh?
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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:30 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I lsugh and rip into Breivik and Cox murderer supporting  arseholes like Sawyer, Stormee, Bandit and Kaka. Are they real people?
Seems they are psychotic sociapaths acting out their fantasies in front of a laptop.
Would they say what they say on forums in the pub?
No, because they would be hospitalised.
Do I trust and believe anything from posters who support their oxygen supplier? Do I need to answer that?

What support? All those alleged "chummy conversations with racists" of mine that never took place - except in that pile of shit that passes for a brain in your head?

The fact was, when challenged to put your money where your dirty mouth is, you couldn't find a single one could you, you lying bastard?
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Post by nicko on Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:18 pm

You don't prove anything by your rants Andy, you just make yourself look like a brainwashed lefty thug !!
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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:28 pm

I spent some time in hospital as a young teenager, and the nurses were great. They tried to cheer me up all the time, and were really sweet.

I haven't had much experience of them since then, other than practice nurses at the GP, and they're also great. I did have to nag some nurses on behalf of a relative once because he needed some medication, but that's about it.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:30 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I lsugh and rip into Breivik and Cox murderer supporting  arseholes like Sawyer, Stormee, Bandit and Kaka. Are they real people?
Seems they are psychotic sociapaths acting out their fantasies in front of a laptop.
Would they say what they say on forums in the pub?
No, because they would be hospitalised.
Do I trust and believe anything from posters who support their oxygen supplier? Do I need to answer that?

Considering that you post with at least three psychotic sociopaths yourself, you have a bit of a nerve ...

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Post by Syl on Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:53 pm

Angry Andy wrote:And you think ES is abusive.

This was posted on Flop.
Most, but not all dispised it.

smelly-bandit on Mon Jun 05, 2017 10:53 pm

[size=31]Fucking hell, everyone is Sooooooooooo serious. 

Did several people recently die or something?? 

Come on guys, remember we won't let hatred win they shall not divide  us, we stand united and all that good shit. 

Youve got to laugh in the face of bomb blasts and the akbar stabbers, and who better to laugh at then sassy??

She isn't even here so she won't even read that, it can be our little secret  

Remember don't let hatred win
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Why are you bringing posts from other forums onto here?

You seem to love playing to the crowd, picking and choosing segments from other forums, where you obviously have your nose pressed up against waiting for tit bits to 'report'.

I used to think you were OK....I have had a complete change of mind.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:16 pm

Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:Nurses do not deserve any pay rises, as they have become nothing more than glorified cares. I mean they do nothing like what they used to do and spend most of their time chatting as they do at the hospital I work at. Some admin work. On nights, they get the porters to get out spare beds, from the bed stores, so they can take turns sleeping. They refuse to move patients in wheelchairs, because the hospital wastes and pays money for porters to do something the nurses could do. It pays cleaners to clean beds, of which the nurses used to do. When there is a need to cover shifts, they deny Nurses in working overtime and pay for Temp Nurses from London to cover the shifts, paying taxi's for them to Ashford and and accommodation. I could go on about how I see now nurses as a pale shadow of what they formerly were in this country. Of which they refuse to do many things they are physically able to do, but because of Union militants. Have turned them into nothing more than glorified carer/admin staff.

The Police and Fire Brigade should have better pay rises.

have a red from me thorin...

i dont know how you came across such a situation, but when my son was in hospital with bowel cancer the nurses were superb, both to HIM and to me, helpful knowlegeable and caring....the ward was spotless, the station quiet at all times, they were available 24/7 without delay. There could be no faullt placed at them

now secondly...HA

since scrat and co (and indeed yourself) consider that my nominal membership of flap relegates me to the same sort of insect as smelly and co you are plainly lying (a noteable trait over there on your other place) when you say/imply that they are all that concern you.
you are thus held responsible (i the same way I am for being on flap) for the filth aimed at posters on here from your alternative truth site. So you can stop your falsity when trying to suck up to fred, when you know damn well you agree by your silence when that creature phil and its fellow scrat start purveying their lise and bile about fred over there.....

like scrat and phil, you are little but a fraud, a fawning toady to the idiots.....

so...just like THEY (?and you) view me...so I (and most here) view YOU.

its kinda karmic


For one, I have no interest in debating fake people like yourself

Second, I have made no view in regards to you about Flap

Third on speakfree I stood up for Fred's half brother whilst many of you were vile to him, claiming he was not real

Fourth I have no idea what you are on about what scrat and Phil are on a about as I am not on the other forum, so you are barking up the wrong tree as per usual

Now unless you have anything to say that is not a falsehood, as the above is a complete load of lies of which I have made no views about you on flap. I have no interesting in engaging you in debate, especially when you invent the above load of crap about me. i will only confer with you when it is in regards to moderation.

Now take your shit that is going on on the other forum off site and take it there where it belongs

learn to read cretin "now secondly...HA"


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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:19 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:


For one, I have no interest in debating fake people like yourself

Second, I have made no view in regards to you about Flap

Third on speakfree I stood up for Fred's half brother whilst many of you were vile to him, claiming he was not real

Fourth I have no idea what you are on about what scrat and Phil are on a about as I am not on the other forum, so you are barking up the wrong tree as per usual

Now unless you have anything to say that is not a falsehood, as the above is a complete load of lies of which I have made no views about you on flap. I have no interesting in engaging you in debate, especially when you invent the above load of crap about me. i will only confer with you when it is in regards to moderation.

Now take your shit that is going on on the other forum off site and take it there where it belongs

learn to read cretin  "now secondly...HA"



Ha is a word, his name is Andy

So you are the lazy cretin, try writing peoples names, it may help when you reply to other posters

Most people place this symbol and the persons name, if engaging another poster within the same post, as so.

@Handy Andy

Now we have nothing left to say to each other

Even more so after you and Andy have now spoilt this thread with your temper tantrums

Again take your shit off this forum and argue elsewhere

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:37 pm

who gave you the right to say whats what....

moreover my points were relevant in the run of things...

whereas YOU are getting far too uppity considering your ability to derail...

but on topic....

I seriously disagree with your description of what you consider the typical nurse...

some few hospitals I agree have problems, due to poor recruitment and bad management leading to low standards and demoralised staff....but THAT is the fault of the management, who in general are piss poor at what they are supposed to do v's what they actually do....

too many chiefs and not enough indians

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:42 pm

Lord Foul wrote:who gave you the right to say whats what....

moreover my points were relevant in the run of things...

whereas YOU are getting far too uppity considering your ability to derail...

but on topic....

I seriously disagree with your description of what you consider the typical nurse...

some few hospitals I agree have problems, due to poor recruitment and bad management leading to low standards and demoralised staff....but THAT is the fault of the management, who in general are piss poor at what they are supposed to do v's what they actually do....

too many chiefs and not enough indians


And still you look to derail which is even worse based on your position. You would think that you also would lead by a better example.

Again what did you fail to understand that I have no wish to engage you in debate?

So you can disagree all you like, I simple do not care for your opinions

Now understand, that unless its in regards to moderation, I have no wish to engage in debate with you.

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:47 pm

are you so self centered that you think my post on the topic was SOLEY for your benefit???

oh dear....

as to the rest

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:53 pm

Perhaps it would have been best to reply to HA. Razz

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:15 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

I don't know if you know the difference -

But you seem ok on spending 10's of billions on capital expenditure but unwilling to spends 10's of millions on operational costs. That's like a factor of a 1000.

Hmm!


Really you show me where you come to the conclusion of your maths and costs, instead of pulling them out of thin air? Do you even know how much each patient costs remaining in hospital beds?

Hmm indeed

It is not obvious? I don't want to insult your intelligence.

But the capital costs you are suggesting will cost billions.

Compared to the operational cost of increasing wages and recruitmemt?

You don't have to much maths for something so obvious but perhaps you missed the simplicity of my point.

Let's put it this way: your way will cost the tax payer about a 1000 times more, at a conservative estimate.
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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:17 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Really you show me where you come to the conclusion of your maths and costs, instead of pulling them out of thin air? Do you even know how much each patient costs remaining in hospital beds?

Hmm indeed

It is not obvious? I don't want to insult your intelligence.

But the capital costs you are suggesting will cost billions.

Compared to the operational cost of increasing wages and recruitmemt?

You don't have to much maths for something so obvious but perhaps you missed the simplicity of my point.

Let's put it this way: your way will cost the tax payer about a 1000 times more, at a conservative estimate.


So again you cannot produce any figures

You keep making bold claims, with nothing to back them up

So show me the maths with figures to back up your claims or its nothing more than your imagination

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:19 pm

HA is a word now?

What does it mean?
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Post by HoratioTarr on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:20 pm

nicko wrote:Gave you a green for that Didge,     have been in and out of Hospitals a lot of times in the last  years.   I could add a few more complaints,  Nurses gathered around the station at 2am in the morning gossiping about their boyfriends and laughing loudly.   Nurses ignoring people pressing their buzzers desperate to go to the toilet and others clumping along the ward at night with their shoes waking everyone up ! funny how people treat them [and Doctors] as gods,  they are not!  they are people doing their jobs, and they are not badly paid as they would have you believe.

This happened to my brother. He has a badly damaged back and every so often ends up in hospital, and one time nobody fed or watered him for 24 hours. My other bro had to go to Kentucky to get him some food and drink. That's no exaggeration. Also, he kept ringing for pain relief and the nurses ignored him, but he could hear them discussing their sex lives at the nurses station. There was this old guy on the ward smothered in his own shit, wandering around and nobody came. I hit the fucking roof when I found out. I sent a formal complaint to the hospital but I doubt anything got done. There are good nurses, of course, but many are lazy bastards and I've seen that in action.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:20 pm

Fuzzy Zack wrote:HA is a word now?

What does it mean?

ha

used to express surprise, suspicion, triumph, etc.

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Post by Fuzzy Zack on Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:24 pm

Thorin wrote:
Fuzzy Zack wrote:

It is not obvious? I don't want to insult your intelligence.

But the capital costs you are suggesting will cost billions.

Compared to the operational cost of increasing wages and recruitmemt?

You don't have to much maths for something so obvious but perhaps you missed the simplicity of my point.

Let's put it this way: your way will cost the tax payer about a 1000 times more, at a conservative estimate.


So again you cannot produce any figures

You keep making bold claims, with nothing to back them up

So show me the maths with figures to back up your claims or its nothing more than your imagination

Seriously dude, I don't think you quite understand what I'm saying.

So if you want some real maths, tell me exactly what you propose country wide and we will compare that cost to increasing wages and recruitment?

In case you missed it or are a bit dim, I can't cost your shopping list without knowing details.

I just thought any numpty would realise you would have to spend billions on capital expenditure, rather than 10's of millions.

So challenge excepted. Detail your proposal below....
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