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Post by sassy on Sun May 21, 2017 8:15 pm

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Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn’s alleged ‘support’ for the IRA was back on the news agenda on Sunday 21 May. But while he has repeatedly denounced the violence surrounding the Irish terrorist group, one Conservative politician was actually a member of it. Going as far as to say that the more British soldiers killed, the better.
Wait, what…?

As Evolve Politics reported, Maria Gatland is a sitting Conservative councillor in Croydon, South London. But a look into her past reveals she used to be known as Maria McGuire. And she was not only a member of the Provisional IRA, but was the lover of one of its highest ranking chiefs, David O’Connell.

In a book she wrote about her time in the IRA called To Take Arms: My Year With The IRA Provisionals, Gatland describes her time with the Republican group. She wrote in detail why, at the time, she supported their actions, saying in the opening of the book:

I agreed with the shooting of British soldiers and believed the more who were killed the better… we heard late at night that a British soldier had been shot and seriously wounded in Belfast or Derry and we would hope by the morning he would be dead… I accepted the bombing of Belfast and when civilians were accidentally blown to pieces dismissed this as one of the unfortunate effects of urban guerrilla warfare.’

Arms running

But Gatland shot to notoriety in the 1970s after a British newspaper exposed her and O’Connell’s arms running on the continent for the IRA. As The Belfast Telegraph reported in 2008:

O’Connell took her to the Continent on an abortive mission to buy modern arms to replace old equipment. The old stuff would malfunction during gun battles, which she said was “particularly annoying for the really good snipers”. Their travels took them to Zurich, Brussels, Amsterdam and Paris, but they constantly felt they were being followed. In France, McGuire wrote: “At one period I thought seriously about using my gun on one of our shadows.

When her and O’Connell’s activities were exposed, they fled back to Ireland to escape the police. But even when she admitted at a press conference what the pair had been up to, no criminal proceedings took place. Reportedly, she was court-martialled by the IRA and sentenced to death as a result of her book’s publication.
Accidentally exposed

Gatland’s time in the IRA did not last long. She says that after the Bloody Friday attacks on 21 July 1972, when up to 22 bombs were detonated in Belfast in just over an hour, killing 11 and injuring 130, she realised that her actions were “idealistic and very naive”. She fled to England, under the protection of Special Branch and immunity from prosecution. It was from here that she eventually ended up a Tory councillor in South London.

But her past was only revealed by accident when someone inadvertently referred to her as “Councillor McGuire” at a Croydon council meeting. At the time in 2008, she was removed as the Conservative-led authority’s education chief and lost the whip. But she managed to hold onto her job as a councillor which she still is to this date.
Lessons learned?

Gatland said of her time in the Provisional IRA:

I was very concerned about what was happening to my country and believed joining the IRA was the way to do something about it… It wasn’t something I wanted to be involved in and so I left. I realised violence was not the answer and I now abhor violence.

But her history shows the inherent hypocrisy at the heart of both the Conservative Party, and the UK press more broadly.

A campaign of hypocrisy

Corbyn’s association with the IRA was born out of trying to find peace in Northern Ireland. While history may be open to interpretation on whether his actions were correct or not, his reasoning comes from the right place: that of looking for peace.

Contrast this with Gatland. She has undoubtedly renounced her past involvement with the group. But this doesn’t distract from her active involvement as a 25-year-old woman in attempts to buy illegal weapons. And, possibly, terrorist incidents. This is, of course, irrelevant if you’re the UK media. Because the campaign to smear Corbyn’s Labour doesn’t even consider hypocrisy. As long as it’s doing its job for the Tories.

https://www.thecanary.co/2017/05/21/ignore-corbyn-supporting-ira-media-forgetting-tory-politician-member/



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Re: Ignore Corbyn ‘supporting’ the IRA, the media are forgetting the Tory politician who was a member of it

Post by Jules on Wed May 31, 2017 9:58 pm

eddie wrote:Calm down. Jesus.
He was being hypothetical, he wasn't wishing it upon nicko. Like I said, he was clumsy.
If you can't see the difference then I can't help that but don't get arsey about it.

Funnily enough I replied to a nice guy who made a completely HYPOTHETICAL joke about a baby being adopted from a millionaire family ........ and all hell broke loose.  It was DEAD obvious that the adoption scenario was 100% hypothetical, couldn't be more obvious.


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Re: Ignore Corbyn ‘supporting’ the IRA, the media are forgetting the Tory politician who was a member of it

Post by Guest on Wed May 31, 2017 10:05 pm





Jeremy Corbyn has shared multiple platforms with a PFLP terrorist who carried out the Black September plane hijackings. Guido can reveal Jezza has attended numerous anti-Israel events alongside Leila Khaled, a senior leader of the PFLP terror group which murdered children and civilians. Khaled blew up one aeroplane and threatened to detonate grenades on another.

In August 1969 Khaled was part of the team of PFLP terrorists which hijacked TWA Flight 840 from Rome to Tel Aviv. The terrorists blew up the nose section of the aircraft. During the hijacking Khaled was photographed brandishing an AK-47.

In 1970 Khaled attempted to hijack a plane flying from Amsterdam to New York. When her accomplice was shot by an air marshal, Khaled produced two hand grenades and threatened to blow up the plane. She was subdued and arrested.

Khaled served as a senior leader of the PFLP while the terror group murdered scores of civilians. Their crimes included stabbing children to death and killing rabbis with meat cleavers. Khaled’s PFLP praised their murderous terrorists as “heroes“. Khaled herself never renounced violence and continues to call for terror attacks on Israel.

In July 2011 both Corbyn and Khaled were keynote speakers at a pro-Palestine conference organised by George Galloway in Lebanon. On 18 May 2002, Corbyn and Khaled spoke on the same stage at a pro-Palestine protest in London. At the event Corbyn called for a full trade boycott of Israel, insisting there should be “no trade” with the country at all. On the same stage where Corbyn spoke, Khaled is quoted calling for “victory” over Israel and claiming Zionism had “exceeded Nazism“. 
“Searching for peace” again, were you Jezza? 


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Post by Guest on Wed May 31, 2017 10:12 pm



Asked this morning if he ever called for an IRA ceasefire, Jeremy Corbyn dodged the question and instead answered: “I always wanted there to be a ceasefire.” That is disputed…

In Rosa Prince’s Corbyn biography, the Northern Ireland historian Lord Bew directly addresses Corbyn’s views on a ceasefire. Bew says that as a supporter of the Troops Out movement, Corbyn shared Sinn Fein’s view that Irish unity need not be predicated on either consent or a ceasefire: “The terms on which Corbyn was in dialogue with Adams was on the basis that Adams wins”. Bew says “Corbyn was always out on a limb with the Provos”That is why Corbyn dodged the question this morning…

There are some other very revealing quotes in the Prince book. A former senior Royal Ulster Constabulary officer says Corbyn was a “useful idiot” of the IRA: “I used to look at him when he would visit Belfast in the 1980s, when he was running around with guys who had done some pretty horrible things, and think: who is this guy? What is he thinking coming here?” The Labour MP David Winnick also says Corbyn was well in with the IRA: “I strongly disagreed with the line he took. I constantly argued that there was no justification for the IRA. I thought he was wrong”. The Catholic Northern Irish writer Eilis O’Hanlon says:
“From Corbyn to McDonnell to Ken Livingstone, they all justify it these days by saying it was OK because it led eventually to the peace process. But that’s disingenuous in the extreme. When they were out defending the IRA, its fellow travellers also didn’t know when, or if, that campaign would end. They still happily supported, or had an ambivalent attitude towards, Republican violence. They knew exactly what they were doing, and how their solidarity was used by the Republican movement to paint its murder campaign as part of some wider struggle for social justice.”


The truth, in the words of Labour MPs and historians, is that Corbyn supported the IRA and didn’t call for a ceasefire. Hence his careful wording this morning…


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Re: Ignore Corbyn ‘supporting’ the IRA, the media are forgetting the Tory politician who was a member of it

Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed May 31, 2017 11:20 pm

anyone who was an adult in the 70's or 80's knows exactly corbyns position. He was an apologist and supporter for terror groups around the world.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:22 am

I guess the usual suspects dont want to take this any further then as it might mean them agreeing that no one who supported the IRA should be in front line politics.

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Post by sassy on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:28 am

According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing campaign:



Danny Morrison is famous for coining the phrase ‘Armalite and ballot box‘ to describe the Provisional IRA’s then strategy of pursuing armed struggle while at the same time Sinn Féin contested elections.

Douglas Hurd is one of the Conservative Party’s most senior elder statesmen and later became Home Secretary under Thatcher.

Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.

It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.

The news of the contacts between senior Tories and the IRA comes not long after it was revealed a former IRA member is now a sitting Conservative Party councillor in Croydon.

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/shocking-revelation-tories-secretly-met-ira-leaders-7-years-before-corbyn-even-visited-belfast/

So it's the Tories that have questions to answer about meeting the IRA? The Tories love nothing better than sitting down with terrorists - even the fascist Pinochet who was wanted inder an interationl arrest warrant.

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Re: Ignore Corbyn ‘supporting’ the IRA, the media are forgetting the Tory politician who was a member of it

Post by Guest on Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:33 am

Is there anyone to corroborate this claim sassy?

As it stands its nothing more than hearsay and even more when no major media outlets back this claim.

Also I see no case for Hurd supporting the IRA, unlike the Corbynites who cheered at the Brighton bombing

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The BBC has taken the inexplicable decision of promoting fake news site Skwawkbox on the News at TenSkwawkbox is not simply a left-wing or Corbynista news site. It deliberately peddles knowing untruths with the aim of going viral and misleading its audience – it is the definition of fake news. The BBC gave Skwawkbox’s lone author anonymity – Guido can tell you he is a far-left conspiracy theorist called Steve Walker. What on earth is the BBC’s media editor Amol Rajan thinking giving this nutter the platform of the News at Ten


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Thu Jun 01, 2017 12:04 pm

sassy wrote:According to former IRA activist Danny Morrison, senior Tories secretly met IRA leaders in 1977 – when the terrorist organisation was at the height of its bombing campaign:



Danny Morrison is famous for coining the phrase ‘Armalite and ballot box‘ to describe the Provisional IRA’s then strategy of pursuing armed struggle while at the same time Sinn Féin contested elections.

Douglas Hurd is one of the Conservative Party’s most senior elder statesmen and later became Home Secretary under Thatcher.

Hurd’s meeting with the IRA would have taken place at the height of the IRA’s military campaign which involved murders of British soldiers as well as civilians.

It would also have been just a short time after a 15-month-old baby boy was killed in a car bomb explosion planted by the IRA at Harmin Park, Glengormley in January 1977.

The news of the contacts between senior Tories and the IRA comes not long after it was revealed a former IRA member is now a sitting Conservative Party councillor in Croydon.

https://tompride.wordpress.com/2017/05/27/shocking-revelation-tories-secretly-met-ira-leaders-7-years-before-corbyn-even-visited-belfast/

So it's the Tories that have questions to answer about meeting the IRA? The Tories love nothing better than sitting down with terrorists - even the fascist Pinochet who was wanted inder an interationl arrest warrant.
yes the tories started the peace process, something that from blair onwards seems to have been airbrushed out of history, they did not however openly support the aims of the IRA all through the 70's and 80's like the current labour leadership.

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