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Post by eddie on Wed May 03, 2017 4:15 pm



This morning, Katie Hopkins posted a a Twitter message about Black Lives Matter when sharing a poster for new Netflix series Dear White People.
Alongside a poster of the series, the former Celebrity Big Brother contestant wrote the message: “Dear black people. If your lives matter why do you stab and shoot each other so much."
She later deleted the message. This is unacceptable and vile. Yes, freedom of speech is important but her tweet was an unfounded and deeply hurtful racist remark
LBC Radio is one of her current employer and gives her a weekly platform to spread hate. LBC's silence is collusion with her racism. if they choose to give her a platform they choose to give racism a platform.
If you are opposed to this unwarranted racist attack on the black community then I urge you to sign this petition which asks LBC to cut all ties with Katie Hopkins.
#silenceiscollusion #kickkatieoff


https://www.change.org/p/lbc-radio-lbc-to-sack-katie-hopkins-for-racist-tweet?recruiter=182194986&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=facebook&utm_campaign=autopublish&utm_term=mob-xs-no_src-no_msg

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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by eddie on Wed May 03, 2017 4:15 pm

What a totally useless and offensively idiotic thing to say.

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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Wed May 03, 2017 6:04 pm

eddie wrote:What a totally useless and offensively idiotic thing to say.

Yes it was - racist, utterly stupid and gratuitously offensive. But at least she quickly removed the tweet.

If she is, nevertheless, sacked for it she will be able to blame no-one else but herself.

However...contrast Change.com's angst over Hopkins with what, as I recall, was their uncharacteristic silence over Diane Abbott's outrageously racist remark when attempting to excuse her decision to send her child to a public school while campaigning against the rights of other parents to do the same: "A West Indian mother would go to the wall for her children."

She was later invited during in an interview with Andrew Neil to agree with him that a white mother would also"...go to to the wall for her children" - and she flatly and unashamedly refused!
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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 10:24 am

is what she said actually so far from the truth.
london for instance has seen 6 knife murders in the last month.

chicago has thousands of murders a year.
black lives only seem to matter when a policeman shoots one of them, they dont seem to matter at all when they kill each other, and lets not even go down the abortion clinic.

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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 10:26 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
eddie wrote:What a totally useless and offensively idiotic thing to say.

Yes it was - racist, utterly stupid and gratuitously offensive. But at least she quickly removed the tweet.

If she is, nevertheless, sacked for it she will be able to blame no-one else but herself.

However...contrast Change.com's angst over Hopkins with what, as I recall, was their uncharacteristic silence over Diane Abbott's outrageously racist remark when attempting to excuse her decision to send her child to a public school while campaigning against the rights of other parents to do the same: "A West Indian mother would go to the wall for her children."

She was later invited during in an interview with Andrew Neil to agree with him that a white mother would also"...go to to the wall for her children" - and she flatly and unashamedly refused!
I think current thinking is that it is racist to suggest black people or more especially abbot can be racist.

according to abbot she is working 28/9 476 days a year to stamp out racism.

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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by Thorin on Mon May 08, 2017 10:47 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:is what she said actually so far from the truth.
london for instance has seen 6 knife murders in the last month.

chicago has thousands of murders a year.
black lives only seem to matter when a policeman shoots one of them, they dont seem to matter at all when they kill each other, and lets not even go down the abortion clinic.


Its miles from the truth, because many Black people do not stab people let alone other black people

I mean are only stabbings carried out by black people?

No, hence its a poor racial point and targeting all black people, as if they are criminals.

Black lives matters is also based on a poor principle, when many people are shot by the Police

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 11:39 am

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:is what she said actually so far from the truth.
london for instance has seen 6 knife murders in the last month.

chicago has thousands of murders a year.
black lives only seem to matter when a policeman shoots one of them, they dont seem to matter at all when they kill each other, and lets not even go down the abortion clinic.


Its miles from the truth, because many Black people do not stab people let alone other black people

I mean are only stabbings carried out by black people?

No, hence its a poor racial point and targeting all black people, as if they are criminals.

Black lives matters is also based on a poor principle, when many people are shot by the Police
that is the problem of not being able to see the point being made.

perhaps a look at the graph in this link might give you a clue

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37412508


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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by HoratioTarr on Mon May 08, 2017 7:17 pm

Why is the series called Dear White People?
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Re: Petition to remove Katie Hopkins from LBC for racist tweet

Post by Thorin on Mon May 08, 2017 8:52 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Its miles from the truth, because many Black people do not stab people let alone other black people

I mean are only stabbings carried out by black people?

No, hence its a poor racial point and targeting all black people, as if they are criminals.

Black lives matters is also based on a poor principle, when many people are shot by the Police
that is the problem of not being able to see the point being made.

perhaps a look at the graph in this link might give you a clue

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-37412508



What point?

Maybe you can make a point?

I looked at both and see zero to make any point to validate Kate Hopkins stupidity here.

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Post by eddie on Mon May 08, 2017 9:55 pm

I looked at the graph, albeit very quickly, and I couldn't see where it mentioned crimes by only black people.

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Post by Thorin on Mon May 08, 2017 10:05 pm

eddie wrote:I looked at the graph, albeit very quickly, and I couldn't see where it mentioned crimes by only black people.


Because Flap is making a very poor assumption based off London boroughs, whilst blatantly ignoring that Knife crime has increased over the whole UK, including Scotland. As you rightly point out it does not show on ethnicity either.

What he fails to grasp is the following:

Other preconceptions are very misleading. A study titled Young People and Street Crime, commissioned by the Youth Justice Board across 32 London boroughs, illustrated that when other relevant social and economic factors were taken into account, race and ethnicity had no significance at all. Crime is more prevalent in poor areas, and since black people are disproportionately poor, they are disproportionately affected – as perpetrators and victims. It’s class – not race or culture – that is the defining issue. “When we took everything else into account, ethnicity dropped out of the model altogether,” says Marian Fitzgerald, a visiting professor of criminology at the University of Kent

If you then look at the fact its in the poorest areas there is higher knife crimes, compared to the areas that are far better off in England and Wales. It shows even more how this has more of a correlation to poverty.


Stabbings are also more likely to occur in urban areas, with London by far the most lethal, followed by Greater Manchester, the West Midlands and West Yorkshire. The three police-force areas where knife crime is least likely to occur are Surrey, Norfolk and Dyfed-Powys.

This is an interesting documentary about Liverpool



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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 10:15 pm

eddie wrote:I looked at the graph, albeit very quickly, and I couldn't see where it mentioned crimes by only black people.
look at the areas with the highest crime figures and you should be able to understand

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 10:17 pm

Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:I looked at the graph, albeit very quickly, and I couldn't see where it mentioned crimes by only black people.


Because Flap is making a very poor assumption based off London boroughs, whilst blatantly ignoring that Knife crime has increased over the whole UK, including Scotland. As you rightly point out it does not show on ethnicity either.

What he fails to grasp is the following:

Other preconceptions are very misleading. A study titled Young People and Street Crime, commissioned by the Youth Justice Board across 32 London boroughs, illustrated that when other relevant social and economic factors were taken into account, race and ethnicity had no significance at all. Crime is more prevalent in poor areas, and since black people are disproportionately poor, they are disproportionately affected – as perpetrators and victims. It’s class – not race or culture – that is the defining issue. “When we took everything else into account, ethnicity dropped out of the model altogether,” says Marian Fitzgerald, a visiting professor of criminology at the University of Kent

If you then look at the fact its in the poorest areas there is higher knife crimes, compared to the areas that are far better off in England and Wales. It shows even more how this has more of a correlation to poverty.


Stabbings are also more likely to occur in urban areas, with London by far the most lethal, followed by Greater Manchester, the West Midlands and West Yorkshire. The three police-force areas where knife crime is least likely to occur are Surrey, Norfolk and Dyfed-Powys.

This is an interesting documentary about Liverpool


by all means ignore the evidence, it is after all what you do best.

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Post by Thorin on Mon May 08, 2017 10:21 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Because Flap is making a very poor assumption based off London boroughs, whilst blatantly ignoring that Knife crime has increased over the whole UK, including Scotland. As you rightly point out it does not show on ethnicity either.

What he fails to grasp is the following:



If you then look at the fact its in the poorest areas there is higher knife crimes, compared to the areas that are far better off in England and Wales. It shows even more how this has more of a correlation to poverty.




This is an interesting documentary about Liverpool


by all means ignore the evidence, it is after all what you do best.


Again, what evidence?

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon May 08, 2017 11:08 pm

I have been looking for stats on knife crime and its harder to find than you might think.

in 2010 for instance almost half of knife crime in the met area was committed by black men
if you wade through the correspondence on this FOA request you will eventually find some figures
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/knife_crime_statistics_5

again 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crime-statistics-reveal-violent-criminals-black--victims.html

this is from 2017
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/end-year-stats-reveal-big-12888679

this is the met for 16/17 but no ethnic breakdown, but you can go by area
https://public.tableau.com/profile/metropolitan.police.service#!/vizhome/MPSFY201617CrimeStatistics/OtherCrimeTypes

there is some interesting data here but not specifically on knife crime
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014
whilst black men and women are proportionally over represented in knife crime blacks are also often the victims

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Post by nicko on Tue May 09, 2017 6:37 am

The Abbott woman has said worse, and she's still here !!
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Post by Thorin on Tue May 09, 2017 7:16 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:I have been looking for stats on knife crime and its harder to find than you might think.

in 2010 for instance almost half of knife crime in the met area was committed by black men
if you wade through the correspondence on this FOA request you will eventually find some figures
https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/knife_crime_statistics_5

again 2010
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1290047/Metropolitan-Police-crime-statistics-reveal-violent-criminals-black--victims.html

this is from 2017
http://www.getwestlondon.co.uk/news/west-london-news/end-year-stats-reveal-big-12888679

this is the met for 16/17 but no ethnic breakdown, but you can go by area
https://public.tableau.com/profile/metropolitan.police.service#!/vizhome/MPSFY201617CrimeStatistics/OtherCrimeTypes

there is some interesting data here but not specifically on knife crime
https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/race-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2014
whilst black men and women are proportionally over represented in knife crime blacks are also often the victims


Sorry again what evidence?

One article from 2010 and again only in London? What does that prove?

So again hat evidence?

So you are basing this on London and not whole UK and even then it blatantly shows and backs the reasons given for why blacks are over represented in London as shown by the study

Where you then goes by London boroughs again and not the whole of the UK, which if you had gone by the UK you would see a correlation with poverty no matter the ethnicity. You see this is what happens when those easily seduced by racists like Kate hopkins make absurd arguments as you are doing now

What can I say, more absurd reasoning to knife crime in the UK

How do you explain Tower Hamlets, which is predominantly Asian In London for example? You see you are just making poor assumptions.

How do you explain where white commit stabbings Flap?

Does it correlate within areas of poverty again?

Ignoring the correlations to knife crimes in studies show patterns to poverty, not ethnicity.

So is there any bases for Kate's racist claim?

No

Let me post this again for you

Other preconceptions are very misleading. A study titled Young People and Street Crime, commissioned by the Youth Justice Board across 32 London boroughs, illustrated that when other relevant social and economic factors were taken into account, race and ethnicity had no significance at all. Crime is more prevalent in poor areas, and since black people are disproportionately poor, they are disproportionately affected – as perpetrators and victims. It’s class – not race or culture – that is the defining issue. “When we took everything else into account, ethnicity dropped out of the model altogether,” says Marian Fitzgerald, a visiting professor of criminology at the University of Kent


If you then look at the fact its in the poorest areas there is higher knife crimes, compared to the areas that are far better off in England and Wales. It shows even more how this has more of a correlation to poverty.




Stabbings are also more likely to occur in urban areas, with London by far the most lethal, followed by Greater Manchester, the West Midlands and West Yorkshire. The three police-force areas where knife crime is least likely to occur are Surrey, Norfolk and Dyfed-Powys.

Take your time

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