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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 29, 2017 5:27 pm




After every terrorist attack, politicians and pundits reassure us that the atrocity does not represent the true beliefs of the "moderate Muslim majority." But how many moderates are there? And what exactly does "moderate" mean? Military instructor and researcher Hussein Aboubakr explains.


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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 29, 2017 8:59 pm

So its all about fear , where is the peace in this religion ?

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Post by Guest on Sat Apr 29, 2017 9:02 pm

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote:So its all about fear , where is the peace in this religion ?


The point here is to speak openly about the problems in Islam when its believed literally.

The one thing I can never understand about liberal Americans.

They rightly speak out against Neoconservative Christians, yet they often defend neoconservative Islamists.

That just makes zero sense

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:48 am

almost every Muslim i have meet is moderate
the OP is nonsense
fucking talk to people most are moderate

https://shadowproof.com/2017/01/27/american-Muslims-stop-terror-attacks-nsa/

http://theconversation.com/australians-have-little-to-fear-from-terrorism-at-home-heres-why-66823

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:50 am

veya_victaous wrote:almost every Muslim i have meet is moderate
the OP is nonsense
fucking talk to people most are moderate

https://shadowproof.com/2017/01/27/american-Muslims-stop-terror-attacks-nsa/

http://theconversation.com/australians-have-little-to-fear-from-terrorism-at-home-heres-why-66823


So you clearly did not watch the video, as it says there are many moderate Muslims, but they are vastly outnumbered by those who clearly are not moderate.
The fact you only know a minor few Muslims in Australia and not globally is why your answer is so poor to say the least.
Again look at the stats.
Why are people so scared to champion the reform of Islam and moderate Muslims themselves?

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 6:58 am

blah blah blah
Do you live in the middle east?
Why do you think you have the right to Enforce your views on them?

I still say the UK is more a threat to world peace than Iran, which is historically true. Even today More brits Like yourself seem to think they have the right to enforce their opinions on people on the other side of the world.

the west needs to clean it's own house first which means getting pea brained fools like you to stop with the crusading attitude pretending that you know better, even if you do you're not perfect enough for anyone to believe it.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:blah blah blah
Do you live in the middle east?
Why do you think you have the right to Enforce your views on them?

I still say the UK is more a threat to world peace than Iran, which is historically true. Even today More brits Like yourself seem to think they have the right to enforce their opinions on people on the other side of the world.

the west needs to clean it's own house first which means getting pea brained fools like you to stop with the crusading attitude pretending that you know better, even if you do you're not perfect enough for anyone to believe it.


So you back inequality in the Middle East and do not want to champion the Universal human rights of people in these regions. Your view is to not speak out against such wrongs?
Nobody said anything about forcing but speaking openly about these problems..

The fact you stupidly claim the UK is a threat more than Iran, when Iran is one of the worst human rights abusers, that denies, freedom of speech, imprisons, tortures and murders those who speak out against the state, that women are forced to wear the headscarf and suffer the worst misogamy, that homosexuals are executed etc. Proves beyond doubt, you are delusional.

So no in the west, people have many human rights and the fact you try to downplay the problems faced by many Muslims in the Middle East by making the most stupidest claim on the UK, says you are full of hate

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:11 am

how many times do i have to tell you that? I don't care about the middle east, I accept not having the right to tell the entire world what to do. YOU don't and the UK/west often forgets that too which is WHY we are more of the threat to world peace. HOW does what they do internally threaten world peace? it doesn't.

As i have told you many times Clean your own house first.


do you read anyone's posts or just sniff you own brain farts?

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:15 am

veya_victaous wrote:how many times do i have to tell you that? I don't care about the middle east, I accept not having the right to tell the entire world what to do. YOU don't and the UK/west often forgets that too which is WHY we are more of the threat to world peace. HOW does what they do internally threaten world peace? it doesn't.

As i have told you many times Clean your own house first.


do you read anyone's posts or just sniff you own brain farts?


So you call me wrongly an Isolationist and then argue like an isolationist. By saying you do not care about the problems of the Middle East.

You cannot make it up.

People like yourself would have not done anything about slavery in the past or women's rights elsewhere, because as seen you say you will not speak out on problems

Progression happened, because people did speak out and champion the human rights of people.

By championing moderate Muslims looking to reform Islam, will help bring about human rights globally for Muslims, the point you fail to seem to grasp. The more Muslims who become progressive, the more chance, there will be a better and brighter future for Muslims themselves.

Hence you firmly have your head buried in the sand.

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:26 am

you are trying to isolate others

You are not championing moderate Muslims.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:30 am

veya_victaous wrote:you are trying to isolate others

You are not championing moderate Muslims.


What by championing universal human rights?

So how is that trying to isolate people and not championing moderate Muslims?

You really are the worst regressive I have ever come across

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:39 am

veya_victaous wrote:blah blah blah
Do you live in the middle east?
Why do you think you have the right to Enforce your views on them?

I still say the UK is more a threat to world peace than Iran, which is historically true. Even today More brits Like yourself seem to think they have the right to enforce their opinions on people on the other side of the world.

the west needs to clean it's own house first which means getting pea brained fools like you to stop with the crusading attitude pretending that you know better, even if you do you're not perfect enough for anyone to believe it.

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:40 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:blah blah blah
Do you live in the middle east?
Why do you think you have the right to Enforce your views on them?

I still say the UK is more a threat to world peace than Iran, which is historically true. Even today More brits Like yourself seem to think they have the right to enforce their opinions on people on the other side of the world.

the west needs to clean it's own house first which means getting pea brained fools like you to stop with the crusading attitude pretending that you know better, even if you do you're not perfect enough for anyone to believe it.

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.


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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:45 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:blah blah blah
Do you live in the middle east?
Why do you think you have the right to Enforce your views on them?

I still say the UK is more a threat to world peace than Iran, which is historically true. Even today More brits Like yourself seem to think they have the right to enforce their opinions on people on the other side of the world.

the west needs to clean it's own house first which means getting pea brained fools like you to stop with the crusading attitude pretending that you know better, even if you do you're not perfect enough for anyone to believe it.

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.

look at history
What is a major factor of British Culture
What do even the Spanish and Germans say about Brits abroad?


It is literally the stereotype Of the British, to Go around telling people they should live to 'British opinions and ideals' as if they are superior.
the global attitude towards British opinion is 'go fuck yourself' for good reason (the exception being the USA, that are also guilty of it)

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:47 am

Thorin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:you are trying to isolate others

You are not championing moderate Muslims.


What by championing universal human rights?

So how is that trying to isolate people and not championing moderate Muslims?

You really are the worst regressive I have ever come across

Go fuck yourself and your British opinions
Fix Britain first

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:48 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.

look at history
What is a major factor of British Culture
What do even the Spanish and Germans say about Brits abroad?


It is literally the stereotype Of the British, to Go around telling people they should live to 'British opinions and ideals' as if they are superior.
the global attitude towards British opinion is 'go fuck yourself' for good reason (the exception being the USA, that are also guilty of it)

So you approve of stereotyping when it comes to white British people, but not when it comes to anyone else. I've never known any British person who's said that others should live like them. In fact, it seems to be you who's always saying that Aussies are superior and others should be like them.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:48 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Thorin wrote:


What by championing universal human rights?

So how is that trying to isolate people and not championing moderate Muslims?

You really are the worst regressive I have ever come across

Go fuck yourself and your British opinions
Fix Britain first

It's not a British opinion, it's Didge's opinion.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:49 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.

look at history
What is a major factor of British Culture
What do even the Spanish and Germans say about Brits abroad?


It is literally the stereotype Of the British, to Go around telling people they should live to 'British opinions and ideals' as if they are superior.
the global attitude towards British opinion is 'go fuck yourself' for good reason (the exception being the USA, that are also guilty of it)


Look at history?

Why?

Its the present we are living in and the reason why the west has progressed is that it has learnt many of the mistakes it has done in the past. What you are arguing is in fact quite racist to be honest. As all people are doing is championing progression here, which is what happened in the west by people speaking out.
So championing the well being and equality of people is now some ho bad to you, please explain that?
There are British people against views like me, they are generally the Far Right. They are a minority also, but a substantial problem in this country, which I stand against also.

You really are coming across very racist indeed.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:50 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:

Go fuck yourself and your British opinions
Fix Britain first

It's not a British opinion, it's Didge's opinion.


Exactly and he also ignoring my mixed ethnicity as well

Does this mean I also speaking for all Irish, Maltese and Sicilians?

Hence the absurdity of his views on which he uses as hate against the British people

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:56 am

My question is - how would one know who was a Muslim anyway? People don't generally come up to me and tell me what religion they follow. I can make some assumptions I guess - such as, the average white person who I meet is not likely to be a Muslim, but of the few Asian people I meet, I have no idea what religion they follow. They might be Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist, or they might not follow any religion at all.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:58 am

Raggamuffin wrote:My question is - how would one know who was a Muslim anyway? People don't generally come up to me and tell me what religion they follow. I can make some assumptions I guess - such as, the average white person who I meet is not likely to be a Muslim, but of the few Asian people I meet, I have no idea what religion they follow. They might be Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist, or they might not follow any religion at all.


Fair point, but this is speaking many about Muslim majority countries Rags.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:09 am

Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:My question is - how would one know who was a Muslim anyway? People don't generally come up to me and tell me what religion they follow. I can make some assumptions I guess - such as, the average white person who I meet is not likely to be a Muslim, but of the few Asian people I meet, I have no idea what religion they follow. They might be Christian, Muslim, or Buddhist, or they might not follow any religion at all.


Fair point, but this is speaking many about Muslim majority countries Rags.

OK, but the video was mostly about what Muslims believe. They can believe all kinds of things which are not acceptable to others, but does it really matter if they don't actually act on their beliefs? If they do act on those beliefs in those countries, can we do anything about it anyway? In the UK, they can support Sharia law all they like, but they're not going to get it - other than those Sharia courts they've set up, which can be overruled by normal courts anyway.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:17 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Fair point, but this is speaking many about Muslim majority countries Rags.

OK, but the video was mostly about what Muslims believe. They can believe all kinds of things which are not acceptable to others, but does it really matter if they don't actually act on their beliefs? If they do act on those beliefs in those countries, can we do anything about it anyway? In the UK, they can support Sharia law all they like, but they're not going to get it - other than those Sharia courts they've set up, which can be overruled by normal courts anyway.


But they support the laws in these countries where the beliefs are placed in practice.
I see your point and everyone has a right to their beliefs. My views is to help bring about change to beliefs to make them separate from state laws to then personal beliefs. I dont think any belief should be criminalized. Still as I say many people suffer inequality and oppression under some of these laws and think its important that globally and unified that people speak out against such oppressive laws.

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Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

OK, but the video was mostly about what Muslims believe. They can believe all kinds of things which are not acceptable to others, but does it really matter if they don't actually act on their beliefs? If they do act on those beliefs in those countries, can we do anything about it anyway? In the UK, they can support Sharia law all they like, but they're not going to get it - other than those Sharia courts they've set up, which can be overruled by normal courts anyway.


But they support the laws in these countries where the beliefs are placed in practice.
I see your point and everyone has a right to their beliefs. My views is to help bring about change to beliefs to make them separate from state laws to then personal beliefs. I dont think any belief should be criminalized. Still as I say many people suffer inequality and oppression under some of these laws and think its important that globally and unified that people speak out against such oppressive laws.

OK, but what can anyone actually do about any of it? If you speak out about it, you have people like Veya saying that Brits like to interfere.

In any case, are Muslims in those countries going to take any notice of what people in other non-Muslim countries say? All anyone can do really is tell them - you can believe what you like, but don't try to impose those beliefs on the UK, or the US, or wherever.

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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 30, 2017 8:27 am

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But they support the laws in these countries where the beliefs are placed in practice.
I see your point and everyone has a right to their beliefs. My views is to help bring about change to beliefs to make them separate from state laws to then personal beliefs. I dont think any belief should be criminalized. Still as I say many people suffer inequality and oppression under some of these laws and think its important that globally and unified that people speak out against such oppressive laws.

OK, but what can anyone actually do about any of it? If you speak out about it, you have people like Veya saying that Brits like to interfere.

In any case, are Muslims in those countries going to take any notice of what people in other non-Muslim countries say? All anyone can do really is tell them - you can believe what you like, but don't try to impose those beliefs on the UK, or the US, or wherever.


Well he is part of the problem hindering progression. The more the world through its leaders speak out and that the UN actually acts as a proper body helping bring about Universal Human rights is what is needed. Too often nations that abuse human rights are in a majority at the UN. That should never stop the championing of Universal human rights. Hence why the more people speak out globally is important to bring about action for change to happen. This is how we originally progressed in the past, with people speaking out. The fact is Muslims did speak out during the Arab springs but were not the majority and it was clearly not the right time for change, but it shows that progression is happening. Be it at a slow pace. So I disagree on your stance, as the more people champion progressive change the more in time it will happen.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Apr 30, 2017 10:52 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It's nothing to do with him being a Brit, so I hope you're not going to use this thread as an excuse to have yet another go at Brits.

look at history
What is a major factor of British Culture
What do even the Spanish and Germans say about Brits abroad?


It is literally the stereotype Of the British, to Go around telling people they should live to 'British opinions and ideals' as if they are superior.
the global attitude towards British opinion is 'go fuck yourself' for good reason (the exception being the USA, that are also guilty of it)

Some Brits do behave appalling abroad but not all of us.    The same idiots behave appalling here too.
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Post by veya_victaous on Tue May 02, 2017 10:48 am

British people get to complaining about others abusing human rights when they pay reparations to nations like Jamaica that they were still stealing from up unitl the the 1970's and then rather than returning some of the stolen money or paying reparations LOANED them money and charged them obscene amounts of interest to keep them in poverty.

More Children die due to BRITISH international behavior (that should be called crimes but conveniently are ignored) than Iran.


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Raggamuffin wrote:
Thorin wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

OK, but the video was mostly about what Muslims believe. They can believe all kinds of things which are not acceptable to others, but does it really matter if they don't actually act on their beliefs? If they do act on those beliefs in those countries, can we do anything about it anyway? In the UK, they can support Sharia law all they like, but they're not going to get it - other than those Sharia courts they've set up, which can be overruled by normal courts anyway.


But they support the laws in these countries where the beliefs are placed in practice.
I see your point and everyone has a right to their beliefs. My views is to help bring about change to beliefs to make them separate from state laws to then personal beliefs. I dont think any belief should be criminalized. Still as I say many people suffer inequality and oppression under some of these laws and think its important that globally and unified that people speak out against such oppressive laws.

OK, but what can anyone actually do about any of it? If you speak out about it, you have people like Veya saying that Brits like to interfere.

In any case, are Muslims in those countries going to take any notice of what people in other non-Muslim countries say? All anyone can do really is tell them - you can believe what you like, but don't try to impose those beliefs on the UK, or the US, or wherever.

And raggs proves she is more insightful about reality than didge
that is too high snorting his own brain farts to be on any value

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veya_victaous wrote:British people get to complaining  about others abusing human rights when they pay reparations to nations like Jamaica that they were still stealing from up unitl the the 1970's and then rather than returning some of the stolen money or paying reparations LOANED them money and charged them obscene amounts of interest to keep them in poverty.  

More Children die due to BRITISH international behavior (that should be called crimes but conveniently are ignored)  than Iran.


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Well people who look to help bring about universal human rights also look at the same problems in their country as else where.

I also back that the Uk should pay reparations to wrongs done in the past, of which they have profited from.

That does not mean you ignore other problems and is trying to stop having something done about thos problems.

Now this issue is about how within the Muslim world, where many are oppressed and many back poor beliefs that are enforced on the populace.

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