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The Portuguese detective who led the search for Madeleine McCann has promised to 'clean out' her grief-stricken parents by suing them for damaging his reputation.
Goncalo Amaral, 57, claimed in a book that Madeleine died at the McCann's holiday house in Praia da Luz and Kate and Gerry covered it up.
The McCanns won a libel case against Amaral in 2015, but this was overturned on appeal and that decision upheld in another court.
This means Amaral is now able to sue the McCanns for damages potentially totalling tens of thousands of pounds.



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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:09 pm

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Again you show no understanding of being in shock.

Does playing tennis means he was not distraught? Just trying to do something normal, where you focus on a game, can help combat the shock of dealing with such a traumatic situation

You see its assumption you and others make not even understanding how or what you would do when  facing said situation. You then believe something is wrong. You see you don't use evidence but assumptions in your views here 

Having said that, how do we even know that he did play tennis?

This claim comes from one waiter of which there is no corroborating sources

See how again you are selective in what you read and believe?

Then to Kate's remark, is simple a remark you wish to read into.
Its clear she believes someone has taken her.



I'm sure if my child went missing, I would be out scouring the area not playing tennis.

The night before she went missing, Maddie was crying and told her mum she called for her but she didn't come. She also mentioned someone in her room. So the next night they did the same thing and left them alone, as you do.


What you would claim to do when you have never faced such a situation is again failing to understand everyone is different in any given situation.
This is not based on what you or others claim you would do in hindsight.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:42 pm


Didge... about Eugene zapola... he admitted murdering her in the end!!!

"...After 31 years, her killer, her ex-husband, finally admitted guilt..."

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Post by magica on Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:40 pm

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I'm sure if my child went missing, I would be out scouring the area not playing tennis.

The night before she went missing, Maddie was crying and told her mum she called for her but she didn't come. She also mentioned someone in her room. So the next night they did the same thing and left them alone, as you do.


What you would claim to do when you have never faced such a situation is again failing to understand everyone is different in any given situation.
This is not based on what you or others claim you would do in hindsight.

No Thor its common sense. I don't have to be a doctor to look for my missing child.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:41 pm

I think that someone who'd just killed their child would be unlikely to be playing tennis the next day.

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Post by Guest on Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:52 pm

magica wrote:
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What you would claim to do when you have never faced such a situation is again failing to understand everyone is different in any given situation.
This is not based on what you or others claim you would do in hindsight.

No Thor its common sense. I don't have to be a doctor to look for my missing child.


Really, and where would you start looking for an abducted child?

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Post by magica on Tue Apr 18, 2017 5:55 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I think that someone who'd just killed their child would be unlikely to be playing tennis the next day.

I don't think they killed her, never did. They're guilt of negligence not murder. I do think there's something very weird though.

Why say they called cops when they hadn't.
Why have his sister ring Sky News before the police.
Why when Maddie told Kate there was someone in the room and she cried for mum, did she leave her again.
Why didn't twins wake up, they were drugged?

Many questions Fen, many Kate refused to answer to the police.

We will ever know. Poor Maddie.


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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:40 pm

I don't think anyone has ever argued that the McCanns were not negligent. They left their children alone when they went out to eat....just as thousands of parents have done whilst on holiday.
They did go back and check on the children every half hour or so...it wasn't enough, they should never have been left in the first place.

That makes them guilty of negligence nothing else.
Oddly the nannies statement has been more or less overlooked. People believe what they want to believe, they believe rumour and hearsay....it still doesn't make the McCanns guilty of harming their child though.

The way they are persecuted reminds me of vultures picking over the bones of a stricken animal....its horrible imo.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:48 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:I think that someone who'd just killed their child would be unlikely to be playing tennis the next day.

I don't think they killed her, never did. They're guilt of negligence not murder. I do think there's something very weird though.

Why say they called cops when they hadn't.
Why have his sister ring Sky News before the police.
Why when Maddie told Kate there was someone in the room and she cried for mum, did she leave her again.
Why didn't twins wake up, they were drugged?

Many questions Fen, many Kate refused to answer to the police.

We will ever know. Poor Maddie.



Read the book of all the facts of the investigation... you will soon change your mind...!!!

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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:55 pm

Book of facts or a novel written for the author to make lots of of money and unsubstantiated claims?

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Post by magica on Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:57 pm

Syl wrote:I don't think anyone has ever argued that the McCanns were not negligent. They left their children alone when they went out to eat....just as thousands of parents have done whilst on holiday.
They did go back and check on the children every half hour or so...it wasn't enough, they should never have been left in the first place.

That makes them guilty of negligence nothing else.
Oddly the nannies statement has been more or less overlooked. People believe what they want to believe, they believe rumour and hearsay....it still doesn't make the McCanns guilty of harming their child though.

The way they are persecuted reminds me of vultures picking over the bones of a stricken animal....its horrible imo.

Why didn't they have a monitor or babysitter, they could afford that, their friends did.

You keep saying many leave their children, we were never eft, nor were mine, or my grandchildren and I don't know anyone who has.

Maybe Butlins had babysitters that went around the chalets but I bet that was years ago.

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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:00 pm

This ex policeman who is busy writing books and is vowing to drag the McCanns into poverty.
Does he go into detail about the huge cockups the Portuguese police made directly after and in the subsequent days following Maddie's disappearance?

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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 18, 2017 7:03 pm

magica wrote:
Syl wrote:I don't think anyone has ever argued that the McCanns were not negligent. They left their children alone when they went out to eat....just as thousands of parents have done whilst on holiday.
They did go back and check on the children every half hour or so...it wasn't enough, they should never have been left in the first place.

That makes them guilty of negligence nothing else.
Oddly the nannies statement has been more or less overlooked. People believe what they want to believe, they believe rumour and hearsay....it still doesn't make the McCanns guilty of harming their child though.

The way they are persecuted reminds me of vultures picking over the bones of a stricken animal....its horrible imo.

Why didn't they have a monitor or babysitter, they could afford that, their friends did.

You keep saying many leave their children, we were never eft, nor were mine, or my grandchildren and I don't know anyone who has.

Maybe Butlins had babysitters that went around the chalets but I bet that was years ago.

They should have taken their kids out to eat with them...that's what we have always done, and Portugal is very child friendly.
I wasn't left either, nor did I leave my own son or grandkids, so what Mags? Just because you or I didn't do it doesn't mean it doesn't happen.

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Angry Andy wrote:Book of facts or a novel written for the author to make lots of of money and unsubstantiated claims?


Read it and draw your own conclusions...



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Post by Bella on Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:43 pm

Thorin wrote:A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has told how the youngster’s parents were plunged into despair and panic when the ­horrifying truth she had vanished sank in.

The former child minder said she is still haunted by the image of dad Gerry desperately trying to find their missing daughter while she tried to comfort weeping mum Kate who cried: “They’ve taken her.”


Breaking her silence after 10 years, the witness also claimed the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe nannies were handed rape alarms and told to not go out alone.

And she slammed the Portuguese police’s handling of the disappearance, insisting their ­blundering scuppered any chances of finding who had snatched three-year-old Madeleine.

Speaking of that dreadful night in May 2007, the ex-nanny –who looked after the girl several times – said: “A parent came to me and said there was something going on, and said someone’s looking for a child, I didn’t instantly think it was Maddie.

"A couple of minutes later I walked into Kate crying, friends comforting her, Gerry looking under cars, and it just blew up. I don’t even think she saw me. I just stood next to her and tried to comfort her.

“She was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her.

“I think I said something like, ‘She’ll be found, these things happen all the time.’

“She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.

“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”

Along with other staff, the ex-carer, who worked for travel firm Mark Warner at the the Ocean Club resort, sifted by hand in the dark through industrial-sized bins and piping leading into the sea in their hunt for Madeleine.

They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed.

But the woman, who we are not naming, said she is still furious with local police , who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.

And she told how people were in and out of the apartment where Madeleine vanished from – contaminating a ­potential crime scene.

The former nanny added: “I know I didn’t step into that apartment but pretty much everybody else did. So, evidence gone, nothing. There was nobody there to say, ‘We need to lock this off now.’ The police didn’t get there for ages, maybe an hour and a half, so we were looking for her. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you’ve been trained with ­children, we were children, mainly ­teenagers, we’re not police.

“That’s why police were trying to get everyone’s timelines, because they weren’t there.”

She also told how she was interviewed by officers in the wake of Madeleine’s disappearance and later detectives from ­the Met’s Operation Grange handed her two pages of statements they had retrieved from their Algarve compratiots.

Her original statement was four to five pages long, but the one the Portuguese had been working from was only two pages long – missing a number of details from her interview. The woman claimed “whole chunks of information were missed out”.

She added: “I think a lot of things should’ve happened differently. ­Unfortunately the effects were catastrophic.”

And the carer told how she was astonished Kate and Gerry were ever deemed suspects in their own child’s ­disappearance. She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.

She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their r­eactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”

The woman also told how Madeleine was a favourite among the child minders. Her allocated nanny was Catriona Baker, but others also got the chance to look after her. The carer added: “I remember her character and ­temperament. She was slightly shy, very sweet. Not loud or precocious.

“We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’

“She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”

While the Ocean Club was clearly popular with British holidaymakers like the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, the former child minder claimed it was considered an unsafe place for those who worked there.

After she arrived she was stunned when a fellow nanny passed on a message from hotel staff to never venture off the site alone.

She added: “I just couldn’t get over how different it was to other Mark Warner resorts.

“We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’ There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me.

“I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there.” It emerged in 2014 that 11 years earlier a 10-year-old British girl had been sexually assaulted “in the heart” of Praia da Luz.

The victim came forward three years ago after a Scotland Yard appeal revealed a string of potentially linked sex assaults on young UK girls across the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.

Mark Warner, which operates in resorts all over the world, quit Praia da Luz in 2015.

Madeleine vanished as her parents ate with friends at a tapas bar just 40 yards from where she slept next to twin siblings, Amelie and Sean.

But the former nanny, who couldn’t face child minding again after the Algarve horror, said dining while kids were in the apartments was “really normal” in such resorts. And she insisted there was no evidence Kate and Gerry would ever neglect their kids. She said: “I remember thinking, even before I knew them, how they were the picture perfect family.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-really-happened-night-madeleine-10245222

I wonder how much the "Nanny" was paid for that article after 10 years! The rape whistle thing sounds untrue.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:25 pm

Bella wrote:
Thorin wrote:A nanny who looked after Madeleine McCann has told how the youngster’s parents were plunged into despair and panic when the ­horrifying truth she had vanished sank in.

The former child minder said she is still haunted by the image of dad Gerry desperately trying to find their missing daughter while she tried to comfort weeping mum Kate who cried: “They’ve taken her.”


Breaking her silence after 10 years, the witness also claimed the resort from which Madeleine vanished was considered so unsafe nannies were handed rape alarms and told to not go out alone.

And she slammed the Portuguese police’s handling of the disappearance, insisting their ­blundering scuppered any chances of finding who had snatched three-year-old Madeleine.

Speaking of that dreadful night in May 2007, the ex-nanny –who looked after the girl several times – said: “A parent came to me and said there was something going on, and said someone’s looking for a child, I didn’t instantly think it was Maddie.

"A couple of minutes later I walked into Kate crying, friends comforting her, Gerry looking under cars, and it just blew up. I don’t even think she saw me. I just stood next to her and tried to comfort her.

“She was pacing up and down. The worst possible thing had just happened to her.

“I think I said something like, ‘She’ll be found, these things happen all the time.’

“She was crying, but almost in a catatonic state, and Gerry was very distressed. That’s the one thing I really remember from him, looking under the cars. I can’t forget that.

“We were told to start looking in bins in case her body was in there. It was at that point we realised this was serious.”

Along with other staff, the ex-carer, who worked for travel firm Mark Warner at the the Ocean Club resort, sifted by hand in the dark through industrial-sized bins and piping leading into the sea in their hunt for Madeleine.

They also walked Praia da Luz’s small, winding streets searching for the missing girl until they were told, against their wills at 5am, that it was time for bed.

But the woman, who we are not naming, said she is still furious with local police , who she claimed took 90 minutes to arrive on the scene.

And she told how people were in and out of the apartment where Madeleine vanished from – contaminating a ­potential crime scene.

The former nanny added: “I know I didn’t step into that apartment but pretty much everybody else did. So, evidence gone, nothing. There was nobody there to say, ‘We need to lock this off now.’ The police didn’t get there for ages, maybe an hour and a half, so we were looking for her. And at the end of the day, no matter how much you’ve been trained with ­children, we were children, mainly ­teenagers, we’re not police.

“That’s why police were trying to get everyone’s timelines, because they weren’t there.”

She also told how she was interviewed by officers in the wake of Madeleine’s disappearance and later detectives from ­the Met’s Operation Grange handed her two pages of statements they had retrieved from their Algarve compratiots.

Her original statement was four to five pages long, but the one the Portuguese had been working from was only two pages long – missing a number of details from her interview. The woman claimed “whole chunks of information were missed out”.

She added: “I think a lot of things should’ve happened differently. ­Unfortunately the effects were catastrophic.”

And the carer told how she was astonished Kate and Gerry were ever deemed suspects in their own child’s ­disappearance. She is still constantly quizzed by people about the case who ask if “the parents did it”.

She said: “I tell them no, there’s no way at all. A, timings and B, where it was, their r­eactions, the whole thing. Not a chance.”

The woman also told how Madeleine was a favourite among the child minders. Her allocated nanny was Catriona Baker, but others also got the chance to look after her. The carer added: “I remember her character and ­temperament. She was slightly shy, very sweet. Not loud or precocious.

“We obviously give the same care to all the children, but she was a real cutie and a real sweetheart. If you asked her, ‘Can you just pass me that?’ She’d be like, ‘Sure.’

“She was easy for us, and you were happy to sit and help out this pretty little girl who’s really nice.”

While the Ocean Club was clearly popular with British holidaymakers like the McCanns, from Rothley, Leics, the former child minder claimed it was considered an unsafe place for those who worked there.

After she arrived she was stunned when a fellow nanny passed on a message from hotel staff to never venture off the site alone.

She added: “I just couldn’t get over how different it was to other Mark Warner resorts.

“We were told, ‘Here’s a rape whistle, don’t go anywhere by yourself, ever.’ There’d been a girl attacked the year or so before in Praia da Luz. It didn’t sound like a family resort to me.

“I just got the feeling the locals didn’t want us there.” It emerged in 2014 that 11 years earlier a 10-year-old British girl had been sexually assaulted “in the heart” of Praia da Luz.

The victim came forward three years ago after a Scotland Yard appeal revealed a string of potentially linked sex assaults on young UK girls across the Algarve between 2004 and 2006.

Mark Warner, which operates in resorts all over the world, quit Praia da Luz in 2015.

Madeleine vanished as her parents ate with friends at a tapas bar just 40 yards from where she slept next to twin siblings, Amelie and Sean.

But the former nanny, who couldn’t face child minding again after the Algarve horror, said dining while kids were in the apartments was “really normal” in such resorts. And she insisted there was no evidence Kate and Gerry would ever neglect their kids. She said: “I remember thinking, even before I knew them, how they were the picture perfect family.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/what-really-happened-night-madeleine-10245222


I wonder how much the "Nanny" was paid for that article after 10 years! The rape whistle thing sounds untrue.

Ten years to tell her tale? Whatever.
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Post by magica on Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:00 am

I wondered why she didn't speak out sooner. scratch

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Post by Miffs2 on Wed Apr 19, 2017 8:19 am

It was Mrs McCann in the apartment with a temper.
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Post by Syl on Wed Apr 19, 2017 11:57 am

Maybe she has spoken out now because the ex copper has started his tirades again, she says she saw first hand how badly the police messed up the investigation at the time.

On the other hand she could be just another who has come out of the woodwork so many years later for reasons of her own...who knows.


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Post by HoratioTarr on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:26 pm

Syl wrote:Maybe she has spoken out now because the ex copper has started his tirades again, she says she saw first hand how badly the police messed up the investigation at the time.

On the other hand she could be just another who has come out of the woodwork so many years later for reasons of her own...who knows.


She was privy to the inner workings of this investigation? If she was that concerned about the police cock ups, why wait ten years to tell the world?
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Post by Syl on Wed Apr 19, 2017 12:42 pm

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Syl wrote:Maybe she has spoken out now because the ex copper has started his tirades again, she says she saw first hand how badly the police messed up the investigation at the time.

On the other hand she could be just another who has come out of the woodwork so many years later for reasons of her own...who knows.


She was privy to the inner workings of this investigation?     If she was that concerned about the police cock ups, why wait ten years to tell the world?

I don't think she has said she was privy to the inner workings of the police investigation, but she says she was there the night it happened. She says the police didn't respond for 90 minutes, allowed loads of people in and out of the apartment contaminating evidence. She also claims the Portuguese police interviewed her taking a 5 page statement. When the British police became involved later, the statement she had made at the time had been altered...missing out lots of details and information from her original statement.

I don't know why she waited to speak out.

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Post by magica on Wed Apr 19, 2017 1:02 pm

Syl wrote:Maybe she has spoken out now because the ex copper has started his tirades again, she says she saw first hand how badly the police messed up the investigation at the time.

On the other hand she could be just another who has come out of the woodwork so many years later for reasons of her own...who knows.


Maybe a couple of bob for her story. Razz

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Apr 19, 2017 2:12 pm

Miffs2 wrote:It was Mrs McCann in the apartment with a temper.

Sounds like a 'cluedo' guess...!

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Tommy Monk wrote:
Miffs2 wrote:It was Mrs McCann in the apartment with a temper.

Sounds like a 'cluedo' guess...!

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Re: Portuguese detective who led the search for Madeleine McCann vows to 'clean out' her parents as he sues them for damaging his reputation

Post by eddie on Wed Apr 19, 2017 6:12 pm

The nanny was moved to another complex shortly after Madeleine went missing.  There was a bit of a staff overhaul, apparently.

Anyway you can read their original statements here or elsewhere online:

http://madeleinemccann.org/blog/2014/04/20/nannieschildcare-najoua-chekaya/


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