More evidence that nazism was left wing

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Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Hitler didn't class them as "Aryan". He wasn't a white supremacist as such, he had beliefs in the superiority of Aryans, and of German Aryans in particular.

Really?

The Nazi's stated that the Germans were the master race.

What race are the Germans?

White

Yes, but it wasn't just a question of colour. To him, the British were also Aryan, but not as good as the Germans. He was concerned with the "master race" in terms of superiority in all things, but when Germany was losing the war he wanted to sacrifice the German people because they had failed. He considered the Slavs to be inferior based on their perceived "behaviour", innate characteristics, and because they were "eastern".

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:



Really?

The Nazi's stated that the Germans were the master race.

What race are the Germans?

White

Yes, but it wasn't just a question of colour. To him, the British were also Aryan, but not as good as the Germans. He was concerned with the "master race" in terms of superiority in all things, but when Germany was losing the war he wanted to sacrifice the German people because they had failed. He considered the Slavs to be inferior based on their perceived "behaviour", innate characteristics, and because they were "eastern".

Again the master race to the Germans was white.
I am well versed in the history of WW2 and of having studied Nazism and have already commented on how those Non_Ayran were classed as Untermenschen.
So you are not telling me anything different.
It was thus white supremacy, with the Germans being the master race. This ideology does not include any non-white races as equal to the Germans does it?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Yes, but it wasn't just a question of colour. To him, the British were also Aryan, but not as good as the Germans. He was concerned with the "master race" in terms of superiority in all things, but when Germany was losing the war he wanted to sacrifice the German people because they had failed. He considered the Slavs to be inferior based on their perceived "behaviour", innate characteristics, and because they were "eastern".

Again the master race to the Germans was white.
I am well versed in the history of WW2 and of having studied Nazism and have already commented on how those Non_Ayran were classed as Untermenschen.
So you are not telling me anything different.
It was thus white supremacy, with the Germans being the master race. This ideology does not include any non-white races as equal to the Germans does it?

He wasn't a white supremacist in the usual sense of the phrase, it was more complex than that. He didn't consider all white people to be equal or even Aryan.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:

Again the master race to the Germans was white.
I am well versed in the history of WW2 and of having studied Nazism and have already commented on how those Non_Ayran were classed as Untermenschen.
So you are not telling me anything different.
It was thus white supremacy, with the Germans being the master race. This ideology does not include any non-white races as equal to the Germans does it?

He wasn't a white supremacist in the usual sense of the phrase, it was more complex than that. He didn't consider all white people to be equal or even Aryan.

Yes he considered them sub human, but based the ideology on a set group of white people.
That makes it as White Supremacist as it can get, as he is discounting them as being white or equal to Germans/Nordic. What you have is that only some white groups are classed as being fit to be classed as the master race. The rest fall down in pecking orders.
So I am sorry Rags, you are badly down playing the white supremacist aspect of Nazism.

You are badly downplaying the left wing aspect of nazism/fascism...

Tommy Monk wrote:

You are badly downplaying the left wing aspect of nazism/fascism...

Is this the deluded and revisionist one, that you live in with Peter Pan and Tinkerbell?

Tommy, your desperation to goad people claiming Nazism is left wing, is beyond a joke. All it shows is that either you go out to deliberately cause disruption on this forum or that you have the intellect of a 2 year old.

This is just one of many in a long line of unfounded and unsubstantiated crap that you buy into. Its not based on facts, but your disdain for Liberalism. So what you try to do, is deligitmize this, by invoking made up crap that Nazism was comparable. Making you no better than a regressive. You show all the hallmarks off this. You don't reason your points but invoke bullshit.

Now as you have countless times avoided points, your participation in this debate has come to an end. As its pathetic your childish antics and attention seeking here.

Enjoy

Only Tommy can decide if his participation in this debate has come to an end.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

He wasn't a white supremacist in the usual sense of the phrase, it was more complex than that. He didn't consider all white people to be equal or even Aryan.

Yes he considered them sub human, but based the ideology on a set group of white people.
That makes it as White Supremacist as it can get, as he is discounting them as being white or equal to Germans/Nordic. What you have is that only some white groups are classed as being fit to be classed as the master race. The rest fall down in pecking orders.
So I am sorry Rags, you are badly down playing the white supremacist aspect of Nazism.

I'm not playing down anything. It's far too simplistic to just say that Hitler was a white supremacist.

Raggamuffin wrote:Only Tommy can decide if his participation in this debate has come to an end.

I just ruled he has forfeit hen he has now twice failed to counter points.

Neither he nor you get to dictate debates. When the clear reason for this debate has nothing to do with proving anything, but has only been started for a wind up.

You are of course open to challenge my counters, but I doubt you have the knowledge or mental capacity to do so Rags.

Happy for you to try.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


Yes he considered them sub human, but based the ideology on a set group of white people.
That makes it as White Supremacist as it can get, as he is discounting them as being white or equal to Germans/Nordic. What you have is that only some white groups are classed as being fit to be classed as the master race. The rest fall down in pecking orders.
So I am sorry Rags, you are badly down playing the white supremacist aspect of Nazism.

I'm not playing down anything. It's far too simplistic to just say that Hitler was a white supremacist.

So you keep saying, without ever being able to reason as to why.

Its as simplistic as it gets, if you have bothered to study Nazism..

Now either place your reasons or stop pandering to your wannabe boyfriend Rags

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:Only Tommy can decide if his participation in this debate has come to an end.

I just ruled he has forfeit hen he has now twice failed to counter points.

Neither he nor you get to dictate debates. When the clear reason for this debate has nothing to do with proving anything, but has only been started for a wind up.

You are of course open to challenge my counters, but I doubt you have the knowledge or mental capacity to do so Rags.

Happy for you to try.

You don't get to dictate debates either. If Tommy wants to continue, that's entirely up to him, and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're not the only one with "knowledge", but you take a view which is too simplistic and you don't have enough depth to your knowledge. You take it all at face value.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I'm not playing down anything. It's far too simplistic to just say that Hitler was a white supremacist.

So you keep saying, without ever being able to reason as to why.

Its as simplistic as it gets, if you have bothered to study Nazism..

Now either place your reasons or stop pandering to your wannabe boyfriend Rags

Don't be so childish. I've already explained to you, but you just don't get it.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


I just ruled he has forfeit hen he has now twice failed to counter points.

Neither he nor you get to dictate debates. When the clear reason for this debate has nothing to do with proving anything, but has only been started for a wind up.

You are of course open to challenge my counters, but I doubt you have the knowledge or mental capacity to do so Rags.

Happy for you to try.

You don't get to dictate debates either. If Tommy wants to continue, that's entirely up to him, and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're not the only one with "knowledge", but you take a view which is too simplistic and you don't have enough depth to your knowledge. You take it all at face value.

You have knowledge on this?

PMSL

Well then put up your evidence and reason, as the drivel so far you offer is making me laugh at you.

So over to you

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


So you keep saying, without ever being able to reason as to why.

Its as simplistic as it gets, if you have bothered to study Nazism..

Now either place your reasons or stop pandering to your wannabe boyfriend Rags

Don't be so childish. I've already explained to you, but you just don't get it.

Yes you explained you are quite ignorant of Nazism

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

You don't get to dictate debates either. If Tommy wants to continue, that's entirely up to him, and there's nothing you can do about it.

You're not the only one with "knowledge", but you take a view which is too simplistic and you don't have enough depth to your knowledge. You take it all at face value.

You have knowledge on this?

PMSL

Well then put up your evidence and reason, as the drivel so far you offer is making me laugh at you.

So over to you

You've been too busy googling and copying and pasting to pay attention.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Don't be so childish. I've already explained to you, but you just don't get it.

Yes you explained you are quite ignorant of Nazism

I haven't discussed Nazism. Pay attention.

So two replies that proves again your misdirection and ignorance on Nazism

Anything else?

Is Didge really trying to tell me to stop posting on my own thread...!!!???




I have posted countless pieces of evidence over numerous threads to show that nazism/fascism is left wing!!!

The only thing that anyone else can provide to show it is 'right/far right'... is that numerous lefties say it is, so it must be true!!!

And there you have it.

The proof is in the pudding.

This thread was started to deliberately goad and disrupt, never having any serious intention of debate by Tommy.

This is clear by his denialism to the facts again.

Seems some here look to cause disruption, showing they have no intention of debate.

As has Tommy countered my evidence or others?

No

Need I say anymore, as Tommy again misdirected and failed to answer my points.

Tommy Monk wrote:
Is Didge really trying to tell me to stop posting on my own thread...!!!???




I have posted countless pieces of evidence over numerous threads to show that nazism/fascism is left wing!!!

The only thing that anyone else can provide to show it is 'right/far right'... is that numerous lefties say it is, so it must be true!!!

I like the way you question things and don't just accept what others say Tommy. It's a very interesting thread.

lol. so yet another post by Rags, failing to answer points and yet instead suck up to Tommy

Priceless

Raggamuffin wrote:

Tommy Monk wrote:
Is Didge really trying to tell me to stop posting on my own thread...!!!???




I have posted countless pieces of evidence over numerous threads to show that nazism/fascism is left wing!!!

The only thing that anyone else can provide to show it is 'right/far right'... is that numerous lefties say it is, so it must be true!!!

I like the way you question things and don't just accept what others say Tommy. It's a very interesting thread.

Thanks Raggs!

Thorin wrote:lol. so yet another post by Rags, failing to answer points and yet instead suck up to Tommy

Priceless

Giving an honest and heartfelt opinion about a poster is hardly "sucking up"

eddie wrote:

Thorin wrote:lol. so yet another post by Rags, failing to answer points and yet instead suck up to Tommy

Priceless

Giving an honest and heartfelt opinion about a poster is hardly "sucking up"

Says his right hand suck up.

Are you seriously telling me, from the off, that Tommy started this as a serious debate?

I am sure you can all confer on facebook lol

So any views on Tommy's revisionist bullshit that he is Nazi apologist here?

Or is your tongue still wedged firmly up his butt?

You are really weird sometimes. Like, really weird.

Rags and Tommy aren't my friends on FB. I've told you this before but I won't tell you again.
You're rubbish at listening.

And also a tad paranoid.

eddie wrote:You are really weird sometimes. Like, really weird.

Rags and Tommy aren't my friends on FB. I've told you this before but I won't tell you again.
You're rubbish at listening.

And also a tad paranoid.

So if I am rubbish at listening, how is it, that you can not see from the off that Tommy started this thread to goad and start?

I seriously don't even bother trying to reason with you anymore, you are as bat shit gullible as he is.

Angry Andy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Thorin wrote:lol. so yet another post by Rags, failing to answer points and yet instead suck up to Tommy

Priceless

Giving an honest and heartfelt opinion about a poster is hardly "sucking up"

Bollocks. Raggs and Tommy are online lovers.

Are you FUCKING sassy then? Or Scrat? Or didge?
If you agree with me does that make you my boyfriend?

I actually feel as though some of you are about eleven years old playing at adulthood.

eddie wrote:

Angry Andy wrote:
Bollocks. Raggs and Tommy are online lovers.

Are you FUCKING sassy then?  Or Scrat?  Or didge?
If you agree with me does that make you my boyfriend?

I actually feel as though some of you are about eleven years old playing at adulthood.

You may well have threesomes, who knows

I actually think Tommy could call for all black people to be ethnically cleansed and you would still defend him.

Case in point, have you even bothered to answer my point on how he deliberately started this thread to goad?

No

If anyone, you are showing what a prize wally you are

Not interested in the thread topic.
I commented on the point that did interest me. The rest of your post was just all your imagination again.

HA came along and made you look more ridiculous.
His post was embarrassingly immature.

Ben Reilly wrote:Does this mean that modern liberals who reject Nazism are actually right wing?

Liberals inherently favour individuals freedoms and liberties, and are against the existence of big state, big government, and the subsequent authoritarian control/unnecessary interference it inevitably ends up having over everyday peoples lives...!

I like this liberal ideology of small govt, small state, low taxes and minimal state control/interference on individuals and/or their freedoms and liberties...!

eddie wrote:Not interested in the thread topic.
I commented on the point that did interest me. The rest of your post was just all your imagination again.

Yes we know you only enter to defend Tommy, the one person you never ever take to task, even though he is the most hateful bigot on this forum.

I mean Ben can see that Tommy starts these for piss take, so why can you not?

I mean I think its beyond embarrassing that Tommy thinks Nazism is left wing and you don't comment on that and why?

Because he is your conspiracy wackadoodle in arms.

Ben Reilly wrote:Does this mean that modern liberals who reject Nazism are actually right wing?

Interesting question, even though you're being sarcastic.

These days in the UK there are a lot of accusations re antisemitism within the Labour party, so are those who are accused of being antisemitic also accused of being "right wing"?

Angry Andy wrote:

eddie wrote:

Giving an honest and heartfelt opinion about a poster is hardly "sucking up"

Bollocks. Raggs and Tommy are online lovers.

How does that work then?

Angry Andy wrote:You know who Tom and Raggs remind me of.

Stevie Durham and Hugh Jardon from Flop.
The guy who agreed with himself.
"Oh I agree Hugh".
Got banned, didnt he?

Are you suggesting that I'm actually Tommy?

Angry Andy wrote:No Raggs. Just the habitually agreeing with each other. It is called nausiating sycophsntia

I don't always agree with Tommy actually, I just like the way he questions the accepted "norm". You seem to automatically agree with anyone who is "left wing", so perhaps you find yourself nauseating.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Angry Andy wrote:No Raggs. Just the habitually agreeing with each other. It is called nausiating sycophsntia

I don't always agree with Tommy actually, I just like the way he questions the accepted "norm". You seem to automatically agree with anyone who is "left wing", so perhaps you find yourself nauseating.

And there you have it.

Its not a fact that Nazism is Far Right Politics, to those not understanding Politics, its instead just the accepted "norm".

PMSL

Tommy does not even do that, he just is a tad of a thicky.

Angry Andy wrote:Au contraire Raggs. On another forum, I have disagreed on a number of topics, including politics, with Scrat  KD, Irn and Sassy. We remain firm  friends, but enjoy respectful debate. Tommy poses hos 'questions' simply to provoke other posters, not to debate sensibly.

I don't agree with that. There is a lot of debate generally about whether or Nazism was right or left wing. It's not an easy question to answer actually as it was rather a unique system.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Angry Andy wrote:Au contraire Raggs. On another forum, I have disagreed on a number of topics, including politics, with Scrat  KD, Irn and Sassy. We remain firm  friends, but enjoy respectful debate. Tommy poses hos 'questions' simply to provoke other posters, not to debate sensibly.

I don't agree with that. There is a lot of debate generally about whether or Nazism was right or left wing. It's not an easy question to answer actually as it was rather a unique system.

PMSL, there is no debate in academic circles, only those who believe this, are Nazi apologists and generally conservatives.

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't always agree with Tommy actually, I just like the way he questions the accepted "norm". You seem to automatically agree with anyone who is "left wing", so perhaps you find yourself nauseating.

And there you have it.

Its not a fact that Nazism is Far Right Politics, to those not understanding Politics, its instead just the accepted "norm".

PMSL

Tommy does not even do that, he just is a tad of a thicky.

Exactly - Tommy is questioning the "norm". Most people just accept that Nazism was extreme right wing, but you have to look at the rise of the Nazi party from the very start to understand it. Most people just think about the Holocaust and the authoritarian aspect of Nazism, but do not confuse authoritarianism with "right wing".

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't agree with that. There is a lot of debate generally about whether or Nazism was right or left wing. It's not an easy question to answer actually as it was rather a unique system.

PMSL, there is no debate in academic circles, only those who believe this, are Nazi apologists and generally conservatives.

There's loads of debate if you bothered to look. As I said before, you take everything at face value - you should try thinking outside of the box.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


And there you have it.

Its not a fact that Nazism is Far Right Politics, to those not understanding Politics, its instead just the accepted "norm".

PMSL

Tommy does not even do that, he just is a tad of a thicky.

Exactly - Tommy is questioning the "norm". Most people just accept that Nazism was extreme right wing, but you have to look at the rise of the Nazi party from the very start to understand it. Most people just think about the Holocaust and the authoritarian aspect of Nazism, but do not confuse authoritarianism with "right wing".

PMSL, is a fact, not the "norm."

Its not about accepting anything, but understanding Nazism and politics.
Those who wrongly claim  its left wing, have a political agenda and motivation in doing so. To steer away the truth about Nazism. Most people understand the Holocaust based on the hate formed by the Nazis and centuries of hate in Germany with Lutheranism, for how it happened.

Raggamuffin wrote:

Thorin wrote:


PMSL, there is no debate in academic circles, only those who believe this, are Nazi apologists and generally conservatives.

There's loads of debate if you bothered to look. As I said before, you take everything at face value - you should try thinking outside of the box.

Okay, show me how many historians academics globally believe it is left wing in total?

Or Political scientists globally?

Thorin wrote:

Raggamuffin wrote:

Exactly - Tommy is questioning the "norm". Most people just accept that Nazism was extreme right wing, but you have to look at the rise of the Nazi party from the very start to understand it. Most people just think about the Holocaust and the authoritarian aspect of Nazism, but do not confuse authoritarianism with "right wing".

PMSL, is a fact, not the "norm."

Its not about accepting anything, but understanding Nazism and politics.
Those who wrongly claim  its left wing, have a political agenda and motivation in doing so. To steer away the truth about Nazism. Most people understand the Holocaust based on the hate formed by the Nazis and centuries of hate in Germany with Lutheranism, for how it happened.

Like I said, you need to think for yourself, not just go on what others say and treat it as "fact". Do you understand the political and economic situation in Germany before the Nazis came to power? Hitler didn't just fall from a tree in 1933 you know.