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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:28 pm

"#YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio — A man charged with setting a fire that killed a girl he was accused of raping and her grandparents jumped to his death from a fourth-floor courthouse balcony on Monday, the day before jury selection in his death penalty trial.
Forty-eight-year-old Robert Seman Jr. was being led by deputies from a courtroom after a status conference to a holding cell at the Mahoning County Courthouse in Youngstown when he killed himself, Sheriff Jerry Greene told the Youngstown Vindicator."

http://nypost.com/2017/04/11/man-accused-of-rape-murder-jumps-to-death-from-courthouse/


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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:45 pm

He must have made a big splatt. I pity the person who had to clean that up. What a Face

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Post by eddie on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:45 pm

Or was he pushed?
I hope he was pushed so he felt the horror of it.

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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:46 pm

eddie wrote:Or was he pushed?
I hope he was pushed so he felt the horror of it.

No....its on the video, he definitely jumped.
I wonder if the deputies will be in trouble, they wasn't watching him very closely.

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Post by eddie on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:47 pm

Perhaps they wanted him to do it?

I didn't watch the video I dint like seeing stuff like that when I'm not ready to view it.

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Post by Syl on Tue Apr 11, 2017 7:52 pm

eddie wrote:Perhaps they wanted him to do it?

I didn't watch the video I dint like seeing stuff like that when I'm not ready to view it.

Its not explicit Eddie, but I agree, I don't like watching upsetting vids.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:12 pm

He hadn't been convicted, so I don't know why people appear to be celebrating this. Maybe he was innocent and that's why he did it?

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Post by magica on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:21 pm

I saw this, I wonder why he wasn't handcuffed, but allowed to walk alone and away from the guard's.


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:26 pm

magica wrote:I saw this, I wonder why he wasn't handcuffed, but allowed to walk alone and away from the guard's.


No doubt is is out on bail, which makes you wonder also. I mean, if the judge thinks he isn't a threat to others...how guilty can he be?

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Post by magica on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:30 pm

Yes and the papers were calling it death sentence trial, something like that. Would he have got bail if that was the case?

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:37 pm

magica wrote:Yes and the papers were calling it death sentence trial, something like that. Would he have got bail if that was the case?

The standard for bail is twofold: 1) is he a flight risk; and 2) is he a threat to the community?

If he is out on bail, some judge has ruled 'no' in each case. So in addition to the standard innocent until proven guilty, someone thinks there is a real chance that he is, if not exactly innocent, at least a minimal risk to the community.

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:29 am

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magica wrote:Yes and the papers were calling it death sentence trial, something like that. Would he have got bail if that was the case?

The standard for bail is twofold: 1) is he a flight risk; and 2) is he a threat to the community?

If he is out on bail, some judge has ruled 'no' in each case.  So in addition to the standard innocent until proven guilty, someone thinks there is a real chance that he is, if not exactly innocent, at least a minimal risk to the community.

He wasn't on bail.

"According to Mahoning County Sheriff Jerry Greene, Seman was not restrained by the deputies escorting him through the building, “Due to the fact that the courts do not want individuals on trial to be seen with restraining devices on, or per se, in custody,” Greene told WKBN. 

Seman had swapped his orange jail jumpsuit for civilian clothing before going to court and wore a brace under his pant leg to prevent him from running"



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398784/Ohio-man-jumps-court-balcony-death-trial.html

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Post by magica on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:34 am

Ahh well then he should've been handcuffed to the guard like they are over here until in court.

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:39 am

Yep...better to be seen with a restraining device rather than a splattered heap on the ground. What a Face

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Syl wrote:
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The standard for bail is twofold: 1) is he a flight risk; and 2) is he a threat to the community?

If he is out on bail, some judge has ruled 'no' in each case.  So in addition to the standard innocent until proven guilty, someone thinks there is a real chance that he is, if not exactly innocent, at least a minimal risk to the community.

He wasn't on bail.

"According to Mahoning County Sheriff Jerry Greene, Seman was not restrained by the deputies escorting him through the building, “Due to the fact that the courts do not want individuals on trial to be seen with restraining devices on, or per se, in custody,” Greene told WKBN. 

Seman had swapped his orange jail jumpsuit for civilian clothing before going to court and wore a brace under his pant leg to prevent him from running"



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398784/Ohio-man-jumps-court-balcony-death-trial.html

So I see. Everything else fits...the civilian clothes and lack of restraints. What isn't explained is, why wasn't he in custody? Someone fooked up.

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:01 am

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Syl wrote:

He wasn't on bail.

"According to Mahoning County Sheriff Jerry Greene, Seman was not restrained by the deputies escorting him through the building, “Due to the fact that the courts do not want individuals on trial to be seen with restraining devices on, or per se, in custody,” Greene told WKBN. 

Seman had swapped his orange jail jumpsuit for civilian clothing before going to court and wore a brace under his pant leg to prevent him from running"



http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4398784/Ohio-man-jumps-court-balcony-death-trial.html

So I see.  Everything else fits...the civilian clothes and lack of restraints.  What isn't explained is, why wasn't he in custody?  Someone fooked up.

He had just left the courtroom and was presumably being led back to his cell.....God knows considering the charges he was facing why he wasn't restrained.

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Syl wrote:
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So I see.  Everything else fits...the civilian clothes and lack of restraints.  What isn't explained is, why wasn't he in custody?  Someone fooked up.

He had just left the courtroom and was presumably being led back to his cell.....God knows considering the charges he was facing why he wasn't restrained.

Generally, it is presumed prejudicial for an accused to be seen by any member of the jury in restraints or a prison uniform.

But he is normally walked between two guards until out of range, then the the cuffs are reapplied. It sounds like the guards in this case screwed up and allowed him to get away.

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 12:21 pm

Its obvious in the video that the guards escorting him through the courthouse,, one who should be in front one behind took their eye off him.
On the bright side, him jumping saves the bother of a retrial.

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Post by magica on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:09 pm

Syl wrote:Its obvious in the video that the guards escorting him through the courthouse,, one who should be in front one behind took their eye off him.
On the bright side, him jumping saves the bother of a retrial.

Yeah the coward couldn't face prison. Glad he got what he deserved. Hope he suffered first Twisted Evil

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:20 pm

If we now champion guilty until proven innocent, I've got a few conservatives and rednecks in mind for a stay in Leavenworth.

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:58 pm

http://wkbn.com/2017/04/11/prosecutors-reveal-evidence-in-seman-triple-murder-case/

"YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – Prosecutors released new evidence Tuesday morning in the case of Robert Seman — the accused triple murderer who fell to his death Monday after leaping off a fourth-floor balcony in the Mahoning County Courthouse.
They held a press conference, telling some of the evidence they would have presented in trial next week in Portage County.
Seman was accused of setting fire to a Youngstown home in March of 2015, killing 10-year-old Corinne Gump and her grandparents, Bill and Judy Schmidt. Prosecutors said Seman set fire to the house where they lived because Gump was set to testify against him in a rape case."

"Later that morning — after Seman appeared in court for a hearing on his rape charges — deputies found make-up prosecutors claim was purchased on his way to the courthouse. They say it was used to cover burns on his face and head"


It seems he wasn't watched very well for a man facing such heinous charges,



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Syl wrote:http://wkbn.com/2017/04/11/prosecutors-reveal-evidence-in-seman-triple-murder-case/

"YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – Prosecutors released new evidence Tuesday morning in the case of Robert Seman — the accused triple murderer who fell to his death Monday after leaping off a fourth-floor balcony in the Mahoning County Courthouse.
They held a press conference, telling some of the evidence they would have presented in trial next week in Portage County.
Seman was accused of setting fire to a Youngstown home in March of 2015, killing 10-year-old Corinne Gump and her grandparents, Bill and Judy Schmidt. Prosecutors said Seman set fire to the house where they lived because Gump was set to testify against him in a rape case."

"Later that morning — after Seman appeared in court for a hearing on his rape charges — deputies found make-up prosecutors claim was purchased on his way to the courthouse. They say it was used to cover burns on his face and head"


It seems he wasn't watched very well for a man facing such heinous charges,

Frankly, it doesn't sound like he was in custody. How could he just mosey on into a store and purchase rouge (or whatever) if he was in handcuffs? And who would accompany/permit him?

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Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:http://wkbn.com/2017/04/11/prosecutors-reveal-evidence-in-seman-triple-murder-case/

"YOUNGSTOWN, Ohio (WKBN) – Prosecutors released new evidence Tuesday morning in the case of Robert Seman — the accused triple murderer who fell to his death Monday after leaping off a fourth-floor balcony in the Mahoning County Courthouse.
They held a press conference, telling some of the evidence they would have presented in trial next week in Portage County.
Seman was accused of setting fire to a Youngstown home in March of 2015, killing 10-year-old Corinne Gump and her grandparents, Bill and Judy Schmidt. Prosecutors said Seman set fire to the house where they lived because Gump was set to testify against him in a rape case."

"Later that morning — after Seman appeared in court for a hearing on his rape charges — deputies found make-up prosecutors claim was purchased on his way to the courthouse. They say it was used to cover burns on his face and head"


It seems he wasn't watched very well for a man facing such heinous charges,

Frankly, it doesn't sound like he was in custody.  How could he just mosey on into a store and purchase rouge (or whatever) if he was in handcuffs?  And who would accompany/permit him?

I thought the same...its all a bit contradictory.
It says he came from jail to court and was allowed to change out of his orange prison garb....it says he wore a leg brace rather than visible restraints, it says the two deputies acted properly.

I would dispute all that watching the video and reading about the make up he was allowed to purchase and apply.

Maybe there is more to this than has yet been published.

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