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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:51 pm

and she had to be dragged away by police for shouting during the minute silence for Westminster bridge victims .

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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:01 pm

That picture was taken at the same time as the confrontational one. Same hair, same clothes, same event.
Prove you assertion with a link.

Or is the statement by VD yet another far right lie?

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Post by Syl on Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:04 pm

The girl herself has said the photo of her being escorted away by police was for her own safety after the confrontation.

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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Apr 12, 2017 1:19 pm

But VD implied she was being escorted away from the Westminster bridge silence. Which is probably not the case. I asked for evidence by way of a link to her assertion.

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Apr 12, 2017 3:48 pm

Personally I feel she went to cause trouble and played the race card . How could anyone see she was an islamic woman she never had a head scarf on , or did she have a sign pinned to her saying ' I am an islamic woman '

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Post by nicko on Wed Apr 12, 2017 4:43 pm

A report I heard on Sky showed footage of other demo's and she was picked out on several as being with the UAF shouting nd throwing objects at the EDL and the police. She is a well known political activist. She was escorted away because she was being objectionable. I do not support the EDL, I think most are a bunch of thugs, but there is another side to this woman and people should know this !
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Post by Jules on Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:33 pm

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I like her jacket and trousers and "messy updo".  She's probably got high heels on too, cos she's taller than the guy. Everything about her says "naughty rebel"  
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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:14 pm

nicko wrote:A report I heard on Sky showed footage of other demo's and she was picked out on several as being with the UAF shouting nd throwing objects at the EDL and the police. She is a well known political activist. She was escorted away because she was being objectionable.   I do not support the EDL,  I think most are a bunch of thugs, but there is another side to this woman and people should know this !

She played the victim and the press fell for it - like you say there is another side to this sneak .

The EDL demonstration went peacefully so it was this woman that was out to cause trouble .
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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:15 pm

Angry Andy wrote:But VD implied she was being escorted away from the Westminster bridge silence. Which is probably not the case. I asked for evidence by way of a link to her assertion.

No I didn't I said she was escorted away because she was disrupting the minute silence in honour of the Westminster bridge victims .


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Post by Syl on Wed Apr 12, 2017 6:22 pm

She comes across in interviews as well spoken and intelligent. Her version of that confrontation is she saw another Asian woman in a scarf being bullied and pushed around a bit, she went over to support her.

I don't know the truth of it, but the fact that she is pretty and feisty, and the EDL marchers are often seen as being a bit thick and bullying, certainly does her no harm.

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:59 pm

Syl wrote:She comes across in interviews as well spoken and intelligent. Her version of that confrontation is she saw another Asian woman in a scarf being bullied and pushed around a bit, she went over to support her.

I don't know the truth of it, but the fact that she is pretty and feisty, and the EDL marchers are often seen as being a bit thick and bullying, certainly does her no harm.
That doesn't mean she is honest. She said the EDL members were pointing at her because she was a muslem , so how could they have known this if she had no head scarf , she must have been wearing a sign with this information on it.

i don't believe she is all innocent I think she went out to provoke and as usual the media have selected what to tell us .

It's not very kind to say people are thick , they have every right to their opinions and have every right even if they are less educated . Maybe they are just so sick of the country putting a certain religion before them and others and the only way they can express this is the way they behave . It's my understanding that the demonstration was peaceful and without any trouble so they're was nothing for her to be offended about .
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Apr 12, 2017 9:23 pm

What does the way she looks have to do with it?

I can't see the pic in the OP by the way.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:41 pm



Of course the op pic is not photoshopped in any way...


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:42 am

Jules wrote:
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I like her jacket and trousers and "messy updo".  She's probably got high heels on too, cos she's taller than the guy. Everything about her says "naughty rebel"  

I agree.  She looks quite pleasant and happy for someone being treated adversely.  Frankly, she could pass for a naive, but cheerful tourist.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:09 am

In the documentary Is Australia Racist the peaceful (not even protesting) Muslim activist was taken away by police 'for her own safety' at the ADL demonstration
https://www.theguardian.com/tv-and-radio/2017/feb/26/is-australia-racist-sbs-documentary-makes-for-uncomfortable-viewing

it was very interesting, It was good to see that at Parramatta train station (Western Sydney) Racist that were bullying other where confronted almost straight away by members of the public.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:12 am

Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote: Personally I feel she went to cause trouble and played the race card . How could anyone see she was an islamic woman she never had a head scarf  on , or did she have a sign pinned to her saying ' I am an islamic woman '


I don't think she has to Islamic to find racist scum offensive
Normal people find racist scum offensive Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:45 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Vicar of Dibley (vod) wrote: Personally I feel she went to cause trouble and played the race card . How could anyone see she was an islamic woman she never had a head scarf  on , or did she have a sign pinned to her saying ' I am an islamic woman '


I don't think she has to Islamic to find racist scum offensive
Normal people find racist scum offensive Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

Idea

I find VoD and her fellow racist scum on here offensive...

And I'm neither English nor Muslim..

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:37 am

All rational and decent folk will agree Wolfie.
Those who argue against her are the pond life of society. 
They know who they are.


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Post by nicko on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:40 am

I don't know who they are, would you like to tell us?
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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:56 am

nicko wrote:I don't know who they are, would you like to tell us?

That Angry white dude in an EDL shirt on the right side of the picture would be one Wink

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Thu Apr 13, 2017 2:56 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:What does the way she looks have to do with it?

I can't see the pic in the OP by the way.
http://news.sky.com/story/doctors-can-withdraw-life-support-from-sick-baby-charlie-gard-10833718

She said in an interview that the EDL were pointing at her because she was islamic and I just wondered how they could possibly have known as she wasn't wearing any islamic clothing and was wearing denim jacket trousers so how could they have known she was islamic ?

Why is there a link for baby charlie on this am i posting on the wrong thread lol


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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:05 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Jules wrote:

I like her jacket and trousers and "messy updo".  She's probably got high heels on too, cos she's taller than the guy. Everything about her says "naughty rebel"  

I agree.  She looks quite pleasant and happy for someone being treated adversely.  Frankly, she could pass for a naive, but cheerful tourist.

you're looking at the wrong picture - the one I posted was where the police are escorting her away , she is still smiling but she was still being escorted away .
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Post by nicko on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:10 pm

I live in Birmingham, i'v seen her picture in the B,ham Mail before.
She's a known trouble maker !!
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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Apr 13, 2017 4:38 pm

Hand on heart, are you honestly coming from a neutral viewpoint, or are you showing a tad of rw anti Muslim bias?
Could it be she is a trouble maker to EDL racist thugs?

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Apr 13, 2017 5:48 pm

nicko wrote:I live in Birmingham,   i'v seen her picture in the B,ham Mail before.
She's a known trouble maker !!

Nonsense. She looks to be a calm, self-confident young woman. Her demeanor is one of poise and pleasantness. She's smiling. Everything in her facial expression says peace. Were it not for the angry beasts around her, you wouldn't know anything was about.

BTW, she looks Indian. Is she?

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 6:40 pm

Original Quill wrote:
nicko wrote:I live in Birmingham,   i'v seen her picture in the B,ham Mail before.
She's a known trouble maker !!

Nonsense.  She looks to be a calm, self-confident young woman.  Her demeanor is one of poise and pleasantness.  She's smiling.  Everything in her facial expression says peace.  Were it not for the angry beasts around her, you wouldn't know anything was about.

BTW, she looks Indian.  Is she?
Google her Quill, there are several interviews she has given, plus videos of what happened on that particular day.

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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:09 pm

Not sure whether a "messy up-do" has any bearing on her calmness or feistiness or even the price of sausages, it simply means she probably never washed or combed her hair....and so what?

Perhaps she started off peacefully and saw some stuff going on around her? It's one picture at one event that doesn't tell me very much at all.

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Post by nicko on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:10 pm

Quill, you know nothing about her, don't pretend you do !
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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 7:14 pm

nicko wrote:Quill, you know nothing about her, don't pretend you do !

Do you have any links about her from your local newspaper?

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:46 pm

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nicko wrote:I live in Birmingham,   i'v seen her picture in the B,ham Mail before.
She's a known trouble maker !!

Nonsense.  She looks to be a calm, self-confident young woman.  Her demeanor is one of poise and pleasantness.  She's smiling.  Everything in her facial expression says peace.  Were it not for the angry beasts around her, you wouldn't know anything was about.

BTW, she looks Indian.  Is she?

And yet the news said the EDL members were well behaved and it went without incident. Seems he only one making trouble is the indian woman with the messy bun Razz
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Post by Jules on Thu Apr 13, 2017 9:57 pm

eddie wrote:Not sure whether a "messy up-do" has any bearing on her calmness or feistiness or even the price of sausages, it simply means she probably never washed or combed her hair....and so what?

Perhaps she started off peacefully and saw some stuff going on around her?  It's one picture at one event that doesn't tell me very much at all.

It was a fashion statement. I don't think it reflects on her hygiene any more than a grunge look which is also another fashion statement. Messy updo's and grunge are stricly for the very young, they would not look right on anyone over 30.

Oh and you're right, none of this fashion talk has any bearing on this particular topic, I was just trying to lighten the mood. Laughing
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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:10 pm

Yeah on closer inspection i.e. zooming in, she actually looks soapy, which doesn't of course, mean she's trouble.

I'd like to see nicko post some local stories about her.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:26 pm

Look closely at the picture... look at the area around her forehead and eyes... and where this meets the coppers head...

You can see her right eye clearly... but picture all jumbled up between her nose and coppers ear...


Clearly a fake photoshop picture...!!!



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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:30 pm

Here we go again.
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Post by eddie on Thu Apr 13, 2017 10:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Look closely at the picture... look at the area around her forehead and eyes... and where this meets the coppers head...

You can see her right eye clearly... but picture all jumbled up between her nose and coppers ear...


Clearly a fake photoshop picture...!!!



Even if I accepted this was a photoshop - why would this picture need to be photoshopped? scratch

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Post by Syl on Thu Apr 13, 2017 11:27 pm

It wasn't photoshopped.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:09 am

Look closely at the picture hand shandy... I'm sure you know how to zoom in to get close up views of areas of interest of pictures...!?


lol!


Another obvious tell tale giveaway is that if you look at the shadows of people in background of the right hand side of pic... around the top and middle areas... the shadows are cast quite long and to the bottom right direction... plus if you look at other general shadow lines on other various points in image then you see a similar trend towards the bottom right for all shadows... suggesting that the sun's position would be coming from somewhere to the top left direction in image... late afternoonish... and fairly low in the sky...


Now... given the shadow angles... and therefore being fairly conclusive to position of sun... and in the image, we see how it shows how close the woman and copper and EDL bloke are standing... IT IS IMPOSSIBLE FOR EDL MAN TO HAVE THAT MUCH SUNLIGHT ON THE FRONT OF THE CHEST AND BELLY AREA OF HIS T-SHIRT!!!

As these areas would be in the shadows of the woman and copper!!!

And then add in the fact that the pic is all jumbled between womans forehead/nose and coppers head/ear area...


Plus if you look closely at other areas you will find a number of other questionable anomalies too!!!


It is said that... 'a picture can tell a thousand words'...!


But sometimes... the pictures are fake... and the words are lies...!!!


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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 12:27 am

Syl wrote:It wasn't photoshopped.




That video doesn't show any video footage of the alleged confrontation... it just shows 2 still photoshopped images...

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:17 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Look closely at the picture... look at the area around her forehead and eyes... and where this meets the coppers head...

You can see her right eye clearly... but picture all jumbled up between her nose and coppers ear...


Clearly a fake photoshop picture...!!!



Even if I accepted this was a photoshop - why would this picture need to be photoshopped? scratch


It's quite simple eddie...!


The whole story is based around the picture... the story only exists BECAUSE of the picture...

If there are no genuine pictures or film footage of the alleged incident as it is claimed happened...

Then all we're left with is a fake photoshop picture and a lie...

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Post by Syl on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:27 am

Maybe no one videoed that incident, just took photos.
There is video of a group of spectators, this girl was amongst them. One edl member rushed over and kicked a man, another smacked a spectator, , he was led away by police, presumably arrested. Ian Crossland was shouting abuse at the group where the girl was stood.
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There is also video of the girl being escorted away from the crowd by police, she is smiling, she said the police escorted her away for her own protection.

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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:36 am

The photo is fake...


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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Syl on Fri Apr 14, 2017 1:44 am

For what purpose?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:02 am

For the purpose of trying to legitimise the fake story that came with the fake picture...

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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Syl on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:07 am

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Syl wrote:She comes across in interviews as well spoken and intelligent. Her version of that confrontation is she saw another Asian woman in a scarf being bullied and pushed around a bit, she went over to support her.

I don't know the truth of it, but the fact that she is pretty and feisty, and the EDL marchers are often seen as being a bit thick and bullying, certainly does her no harm.
That doesn't mean she is honest. She said the EDL members were pointing at her because she was a muslem , so how could they have known this if she had no head scarf , she must have been wearing a sign with this information on it.

i don't believe she is all innocent I think she went out to provoke and as usual the media have selected what to tell us .

It's not very kind to say people are thick , they have every right to their opinions and have every right even if they are less educated . Maybe they are just so sick of the country putting a certain religion before them and others and the only way they can express this is the way they behave . It's my understanding that the demonstration was peaceful and without any trouble so they're was nothing for her to be offended about .

They don't come across as thick because they are less educated vod, I'm sure many are well educated, but some of them speak like yobs and can hardly string a coherent sentence together.
Maybe the press choose to interview the particularly stupid ones to deliberately show them in that light, but that's often  how edl members are portrayed.

I have watched a few vids of the Birmingham March,  the girl is in the  crowd . A couple of edl members snook up and kicked and punched a couple ofmen she was standing next to, one was led away by police.
The pic you posted earlier in the thread was of her being led away on that day, nothing to do with her disrupting the silence in respect for the dead on Westminster Bridge.  
I believe that was a lie spread by some edl members.

I don't know if that girl has a habit of showing up at marches to cause trouble, I have looked but can't find any proof that she does.

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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:20 am

Tommy Monk wrote:The photo is fake...


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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:43 am

Syl wrote:Maybe no one videoed that incident, just took photos.

lol!


There is video of a group of spectators, this girl was amongst them. One edl member rushed over and kicked a man, another smacked a spectator, , he was led away by police, presumably arrested. Ian Crossland was shouting abuse at  the group where the girl was stood.
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There is also video of the girl being escorted away from the crowd by police, she is smiling, she said the police escorted her away for her own protection.


I'm not a fan of the EDL... but I am against lies and spin, and I am against the way the police always allow groups of left wing thugs to assemble along the route of, and to violently disrupt every single one of the EDLs legally organised and intentionally peaceful marches...!

And I am against the way that the media always then try to portray the EDL as being the troublemakers after they are attacked by the left wing thugs...!


There are plenty of videos of the peaceful EDL being attacked by left wing thugs... but funny how none ever seem to get shown on the MSM... they only tell stories of how the EDL were violent and how the police were needed to get involved to sort them out etc...

When it is always the police collusion with left wing thugs that ensures that the EDL are always met with violent left wing thugs on their planned route...!!!


"Spectators" you say...!?


Not at all!!!


The left wing thugs start the trouble and the media portray it as EDL being hooligans!!!


I remember a couple years ago there was a planned BNP protest in parliament square, just outside parliament... there were only 30-40 or so who turned up... families with children etc... but the left wing thugs were there in huge numbers... blocking the legally authorised route up Whitehall... although none were arrested for unlawful assembly or unauthorised protest within limited area round Westminster parliament etc... then the lefties started volently kicking off, and numbers were arrested and taken away on London red busses!!!



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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:49 am

https://edlcriminals.com/

The EDL themselves are the ones that give a bad name to the EDL

Also, people are allowed to counter protest. That is how the EDL formed, to counter protest extremist Muslims protesting against returning British soldiers. Now some UAF start trouble, as do the EDL, but to claim innocence here, when countless have been convicted. Shows you are being naive Tommy.

I mean, the EDL even fight each other, as well as the Police.


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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Apr 14, 2017 2:57 am

The leftie thugs in my Westminster example had no legal right to be there...


And it is the duty of the police to prevent other groups from assembling near to planned and legal authorised protests and routes, for safety and security reasons...


But it seems that the police expressly allow left wing thugs to assemble in gangs along every legally planned and authorised edl march...


Then when the leftie thugs kick off ... the media always portray it as EDL violent protest etc...

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Re: EDL In Birmingham Shown Where To Go By Mosque And Residents

Post by Thorin on Fri Apr 14, 2017 3:04 am

Fabrication.

The UAF, have every right to counter protest legally.

Article 11 is a qualified right and as such the right to protest and the freedom of association may be limited so long as the limitation:

  • is prescribed by law;

  • is necessary and proportionate; and

  • pursues a legitimate aim, namely:

    • the interests of national security or public safety;
    • the prevention of disorder or crime;
    • the protection of health or morals; or
    • the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.



The requirement to give notice of plans to stage an assembly in advance will not necessarily breach the right to protest as long as notification doesn’t become a hidden obstacle to exercising freedom of assembly.

It seems Tommy is against Freedom of expression, by arguing against the right to counter protest a march.

Now if the UAF kick off, then the EDL should not retaliate, except, they constantly start and do retaliate. The right to protest is enshrined in UK laws around Freedom of expression.

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