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Post by Syl on Fri Apr 07, 2017 1:23 pm

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Will it be a vote catcher for Corbyn and the labour party, or is just another last ditch attempt to get labour voters back?

"Anti- poverty campaigners today hailed Labour ’s flagship pledge to fund free primary school meals for all children with a new tax on private school fees.
The Child Poverty Action Group said Labour had made a “compelling” argument to stop kids going hungry and remove the “stigma” of free school meals for the poorest children.
Labour Leader Jeremy Corbyn unveiled the £700million policy today and said it would be fully funded by slapping a 20% VAT charge on private school fees .
“This is a welcome move which we have long campaigned for,” said Alison Garnham, head of the Child Poverty Action Group.

Critics pointed out that the poorest kids already qualify for free school meals, and so Mr Corbyn’s plan was actually a hand-out for richer parents whose kids attend state schools"





http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/jeremy-corbyn-strikes-school-winner-10174672


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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:26 am

Ben Reilly wrote:
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So you want all to be treated equally, no matter their background then?

Inclusive to all?

Makes sense and I agree

All children whilst within school, should have and be given the same. Where in this case it be food.


It may save money for some parents, but that is not the point here, is it?

Its to ensure all children have free food whilst learning

That there is no price on food for children whilst learning.

The cost is taken up by the nation

Great example of my to make things inclusive and equal

Exactly, every child in a school run by the government should get free meals, no exclusions, no charge to any student. I wish we'd do that here.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:44 am

Parents should pay for their children's food whether they are at home or at school.


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Post by Guest on Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:12 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Parents should pay for their children's food whether they are at home or at school.



So based on the above, you want all people to pay for their own medical costs, whether they are unwell or not?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 1:35 pm

Waffle...

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Tommy Monk wrote:Waffle...

For breakfast?

No I had toast thanks.

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With all the different types of food that are required by all the different kids these days... and because of all the restrictions on other types of food for religious reasons or allergies etc... it is high time that all parents should be providing packed lunches for their children... it is cheapest and fairest way of doing things.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Parents should pay for their children's food whether they are at home or at school.

How about defense costs?  I mean, if we're going to disassemble the public sector, no better place to start.

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Post by eddie on Sun Apr 09, 2017 5:58 pm

Of course every child should get free school meals.
Who would be against that????

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:41 pm

It's about choice... some parents don't want their kids eating school dinners... all get child benefit... this should be used to either pay for school dinners or to pay for packed lunch or to pay for the food that the kids who go home for lunch are given...



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Tommy Monk wrote:It's about choice... some parents don't want their kids eating school dinners... all get child benefit... this should be used to either pay for school dinners or to pay for packed lunch or to pay for the food that the kids who go home for lunch are given..

Tommy sometimes you come across as either completely naive or just ignorant.  
People on low incomes use that child's benefit on bills and it can just get somehow swallowed up in the house hold necessities - you know...real life?
Do you think people live so neatly like little perfect accountant parents and each amount of money coming in slots nicely into their respective outgoing boxes?  Have you ever run a household containing actual people and/or children?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Single parent of 2 children... not working...

Firstly gets jsa/income support @ £73.10 fortnightly so £36.55 a week...

Plus rent paid through housing benefit of... (bexley borough rate)...

Two Bedrooms Rate:£198.11 per week
Three Bedrooms Rate:£242.40 per week


Plus child benefit at...

Who the allowance is for Rate (weekly)
Eldest or only child £20.70
Additional children £13.70 per child

So that's another  £34.40 per week...


Then add on the tax credits... from the online gov tax credits calculator


You could get

£470.01 every four weeks
towards your household costs


So that's another £117.50 a week on top of all that...



So when you add it all up... an unemployed single parent of 2 will get rent paid up to around £240 quid a week for a nice 3 bed house... and then get just under £200 a week cash to spend too!!!


Plus whatever other money they might be getting given off the other parent each week or any little bits of cash in hand work they might be doing...!!!


Hardly likely to be in need of a food bank... don't you think...!!!???

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Apr 09, 2017 6:57 pm

So people have children without being able to afford to feed them?

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Post by eddie on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:10 pm

Oh dear lord.

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:31 pm

eddie wrote:Of course every child should get free school meals.
Who would be against that????

Me for one.

If we had an unlimited budget it may be a good idea, as it is we don't, and money is desperately needed in the community elsewhere....so if parentse can afford to pay for school dinners (as they always have done) they should.

Free school meals are a benefit, designed to help people who need financial help which is right, benefits should not be available to all....that defeats the object.

This latest 'free dinners for all primary school pupils regardless of their parents income' is a bit of a piss take really.
Who is going to pay the £700 million that this proposed scheme will cost?? its not the government, its other parents who pay out enough to give their child a decent education.

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Post by eddie on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:37 pm

It's been working well for the last few years and I don't care what it costs. I like to know that every child in the country is getting one good and healthy meal a day at the very least.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:39 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:Of course every child should get free school meals.
Who would be against that????

Me for one.

If we had an unlimited budget it may be a good idea, as it is we don't, and money is desperately needed in the community elsewhere....so if parentse can afford to pay for school dinners (as they always have done) they should.

Free school meals are a benefit, designed to help people who need financial help which is right, benefits should not be available to all....that defeats the object.

This latest 'free dinners for all primary school pupils regardless of their parents  income' is a bit of a piss take really.
Who is going to pay the £700 million that this proposed scheme will cost?? its not the government, its other parents who pay out enough to give their child a decent education.


And no doubt this will be another lucratuve privatised contract give away...

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eddie wrote:It's been working well for the last few years and I don't care what it costs.  I like to know that every child in the country is getting one good and healthy meal a day at the very least.

It hasn't even come in yet Eddie...and it wont unless Labour are voted in, this is just a ploy to get more Labour voters back on side.

At present infants get free school meals, that stops at 7 years old I believe, unless parents are on certain benefits, and then the meals are still paid for. Corbyns pledge is to extend free school meals for ALL state school children up to the age of 11.
Plenty well off people send their kids to state schools....why the hell should they get free meals when they can well afford to pay?

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Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:Of course every child should get free school meals.
Who would be against that????

Me for one.

If we had an unlimited budget it may be a good idea, as it is we don't, and money is desperately needed in the community elsewhere....so if parentse can afford to pay for school dinners (as they always have done) they should.

Free school meals are a benefit, designed to help people who need financial help which is right, benefits should not be available to all....that defeats the object.

This latest 'free dinners for all primary school pupils regardless of their parents  income' is a bit of a piss take really.
Who is going to pay the £700 million that this proposed scheme will cost?? its not the government, its other parents who pay out enough to give their child a decent education.

This is an excellent argument against military spending. At a minimum, food is more essential for citizens than bullets.

If you want to make a market argument, put the military to the market test: make people hire their own bodyguards and pay for their own tanks, and those who can't...fook 'em. In a nutshell, that's the market model.

The military is a highly socialized organization. It is unnecessary if we forego all these foreign adventures, so let's defund it and put the money into food for kids.

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:53 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

Me for one.

If we had an unlimited budget it may be a good idea, as it is we don't, and money is desperately needed in the community elsewhere....so if parentse can afford to pay for school dinners (as they always have done) they should.

Free school meals are a benefit, designed to help people who need financial help which is right, benefits should not be available to all....that defeats the object.

This latest 'free dinners for all primary school pupils regardless of their parents  income' is a bit of a piss take really.
Who is going to pay the £700 million that this proposed scheme will cost?? its not the government, its other parents who pay out enough to give their child a decent education.

This is an excellent argument against military spending.  At a minimum, food is more essential for citizens than bullets.  

If you want to make a market argument, put the military to the market test: make people hire their own bodyguards and pay for their own tanks, and those who can't...fook 'em.  In a nutshell, that's the market model.

The military is a highly socialized organization.  It is unnecessary if we forego all these foreign adventures, so let's defund it and put the money into food for kids.

This is twice you have attempted to equate school dinners with guns Quill....sorry, no matter which way you paint it I don't see the connection.
Maybe a new thread would be a good idea. Twisted Evil

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Syl wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

This is an excellent argument against military spending.  At a minimum, food is more essential for citizens than bullets.  

If you want to make a market argument, put the military to the market test: make people hire their own bodyguards and pay for their own tanks, and those who can't...fook 'em.  In a nutshell, that's the market model.

The military is a highly socialized organization.  It is unnecessary if we forego all these foreign adventures, so let's defund it and put the money into food for kids.

This is twice you have attempted to equate school dinners with guns Quill....sorry, no matter which way you paint it I don't see the connection.
Maybe a new thread would be a good idea. Twisted Evil

You see the connection, just fine. You don't have an answer.

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Post by eddie on Sun Apr 09, 2017 7:58 pm

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eddie wrote:It's been working well for the last few years and I don't care what it costs.  I like to know that every child in the country is getting one good and healthy meal a day at the very least.

It hasn't even come in yet Eddie...and it wont unless Labour are voted in, this is just a ploy to get more Labour voters back on side.

At present infants get free school meals, that stops at 7 years old I believe, unless parents are on certain benefits, and then the meals are still paid for. Corbyns pledge is to extend free school meals for ALL state school children up to the age of 11.
Plenty well off people send their kids to state schools....why the hell should they get free meals when they can well afford to pay?

Children 0-7 years old already get free meals.

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:02 pm

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Syl wrote:

It hasn't even come in yet Eddie...and it wont unless Labour are voted in, this is just a ploy to get more Labour voters back on side.

At present infants get free school meals, that stops at 7 years old I believe, unless parents are on certain benefits, and then the meals are still paid for. Corbyns pledge is to extend free school meals for ALL state school children up to the age of 11.
Plenty well off people send their kids to state schools....why the hell should they get free meals when they can well afford to pay?

Children 0-7 years old already get free meals.  

I know,,,thats what I said.

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Original Quill wrote:
Syl wrote:

This is twice you have attempted to equate school dinners with guns Quill....sorry, no matter which way you paint it I don't see the connection.
Maybe a new thread would be a good idea. Twisted Evil

You see the connection, just fine.  You don't have an answer.

PS: don't try to tell me what to write about.  If we're going to assign subjects to others, you stick to the grooming tips.

I don't see the connection because there isn't one.

Nothing wrong with grooming threads (which accounts for a very small % of what I write about btw) maybe you could learn a few tips in them Quill....especially if they touch on good manners. Wink

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eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:

It hasn't even come in yet Eddie...and it wont unless Labour are voted in, this is just a ploy to get more Labour voters back on side.

At present infants get free school meals, that stops at 7 years old I believe, unless parents are on certain benefits, and then the meals are still paid for. Corbyns pledge is to extend free school meals for ALL state school children up to the age of 11.
Plenty well off people send their kids to state schools....why the hell should they get free meals when they can well afford to pay?

Children 0-7 years old already get free meals.  

I know,,,thats what I said.

Pfffff. It wasn't in bold then and I didn't have my glasses on.


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Syl wrote:
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You see the connection, just fine.  You don't have an answer.

PS: don't try to tell me what to write about.  If we're going to assign subjects to others, you stick to the grooming tips.

I don't see the connection because there isn't one.

Nothing wrong with grooming threads (which accounts for a very small % of what I write about btw) maybe you could learn a few tips in them Quill....especially if they touch on good manners. Wink

Don't be silly. We are talking about government funding, whether it be school lunches or expensive military hardware. Over here, I'll stop defending school lunches on the day they decommission the unnecessary military.

Don't talk to me about manners, ms. officious intermeddler. You just worry about your own posts, and stop trying to monitor other's.

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eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:

I know,,,thats what I said.

Pfffff. It wasn't in bold then and I didn't have my glasses on.


Rolling Eyes ....Here...put these on.

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I don't see the connection because there isn't one.

Nothing wrong with grooming threads (which accounts for a very small % of what I write about btw) maybe you could learn a few tips in them Quill....especially if they touch on good manners. Wink

Don't be silly.  We are talking about government funding, whether it be school lunches or expensive military hardware.  Over here, I'll stop defending school lunches on the day they decommission the unnecessary military.

Don't talk to me about manners, ms. officious intermeddler.  You just worry about your own posts, and stop trying to monitor other's.

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Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:It's been working well for the last few years and I don't care what it costs.  I like to know that every child in the country is getting one good and healthy meal a day at the very least.

It hasn't even come in yet Eddie...and it wont unless Labour are voted in, this is just a ploy to get more Labour voters back on side.


At present infants get free school meals, that stops at 7 years old I believe, unless parents are on certain benefits, and then the meals are still paid for. Corbyns pledge is to extend free school meals for ALL state school children up to the age of 11.
Plenty well off people send their kids to state schools....why the hell should they get free meals when they can well afford to pay?


It is just more of the same labour lies and spin waffle... an empty promise said now to boost popularity with local elections coming up...

It's not a manifesto commitment for 2020 general election... Corbyn probably won't even be labour leader by then... and even if labour do win the next gen elec in 2020, it will never get through parliament because there are too many labour MPs who send their children to private schools who would vote against it!!!


Wake up people!!!


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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:44 pm

Its a bribe...and like you say, probably an empty one.

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Syl wrote:Its a bribe...and like you say, probably an empty one.

It's an outright lie!!!

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Post by Syl on Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:50 pm

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Syl wrote:Its a bribe...and like you say, probably an empty one.

It's an outright lie!!!

Whether it would ever come to pass, bunging the £700 million charge onto private school fees is a bit hard to swallow Tommy.....but then so was your claim you pay £10 a week for gas and electricity. Razz

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 9:26 pm


Syl... and unless you live in a mansion and walk about naked all day with the heating up full blast, and have a swimming pool to keep heated, and lighting on round the grounds and gardens all night... then I find it hard to believe what you claimed you were paying too!!!


I'm up at 6.00am and out till 7.00pm all week and out much of the weekend too!!!

The only things I have running most of the time are a fridge and an alarm clock plugged in... and a bit of gas heated hot water in the mornings!!!

Heating mostly never on... and I eat out most days too while at work...!

How is a tenner a week so unbelievable from this little useage...?

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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:25 pm

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Syl... and unless you live in a mansion and walk about naked all day with the heating up full blast, and have a swimming pool to keep heated, and lighting on round the grounds and gardens all night... then I find it hard to believe what you claimed you were paying too!!!


I'm up at 6.00am and out till 7.00pm all week and out much of the weekend too!!!

The only things I have running most of the time are a fridge and an alarm clock plugged in... and a bit of gas heated hot water in the mornings!!!

Heating mostly never on... and I eat out most days too while at work...!

How is a tenner a week so unbelievable from this little useage...?

We pay something like £120 a month for dual fuel. And we have a wood burning stove in our living room.
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Re: Free school meals for all primary school children...good or bad idea?

Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:32 pm



Maybe you oldies are using more electricity with your stanner stair lifts and charging up your mobility scooters...!?


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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Sun Apr 09, 2017 11:31 pm

This is just as much to punish the parents who exercise their right to choose to have their children educated privately instead of by the state as it is to pay for free school meals to state pupils.

Corbyn's cronies, and in particular Diane Abbott, loathe private schools and Abbott was waging a particularly virulent campaign against them...until she was exposed in the Press as sending her own child to a fee-paying school! Still, what do you expect from such a hypocrite?

The addition of VAT would immediately increase private school fees by 20 per cent and would punish parents who in very many cases are already making huge sacrifices to give their children an independent education.

Pupil numbers would almost certainly drop and some schools would go out of business, taking with them all the bursaries for disadvantaged children that they currently make available together with their good record of sharing with neighbouring state schools their excellent sports facilities and coaching and specialist art, music and drama tuition.

And on top of all this, local education authorities would be legally bound to take over - and pay for - the education of thousands of additional pupils who would be forced out of the independent sector.

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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:21 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:This is just as much to punish the parents who exercise their right to choose to have their children educated privately instead of by the state as it is to pay for free school meals to state pupils.

Corbyn's cronies, and in particular Diane Abbott, loathe private schools and Abbott was waging a particularly virulent campaign against them...until she was exposed in the Press as sending her own child to a fee-paying school! Still, what do you expect from such a hypocrite?

The addition of VAT would immediately increase private school fees by 20 per cent and would punish parents who in very many cases are already making huge sacrifices to give their children an independent education.

Pupil numbers would almost certainly drop and some schools would go out of business, taking with them all the bursaries for disadvantaged children that they currently make available together with their good record of sharing with neighbouring state schools their excellent sports facilities and coaching and specialist art, music and drama tuition.

And on top of all this, local education authorities would be legally bound to take over - and pay for - the education of thousands of additional pupils who would be forced out of the independent sector.



My heart bleeds for these over rich families that can easily afford 25k a year for their children to attend private schools. When in fact private schools get away with being exempt VAT.  That means these schools because they are based like a charity have a tax advantage. This is another example of where those privileged in life, wish to maintain an unfair system when it comes to the education of children. You see as a charitable status, these private schools avoid paying taxes in the way all other private firms do so.

And you want to defend that?

Wow

They also pay a much reduced rate of business tax. So at every turn the private schools exploit the system, which again favours the rich in society. I could not care where the idea comes from to have all children with free school meals. The point is no child should go without food.

So your fear arguments that these schools would close, is sheer folly, based on no substance and in reality you are defending these rich schools, who abuse their charitable status to avoid paying their taxes. So I see no bases for numbers dropping, when those who can easily afford 25k a year for a child to attend a private school, would have to pay some more. To claim, all of a sudden, parents who are very wealthy will not be able to afford, is fear mongering nonsense. They will want still the best advantages for their children and pay more.
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Post by eddie on Mon Apr 10, 2017 10:12 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Maybe you oldies are using more electricity with your stanner stair lifts and charging up your mobility scooters...!?


lol!


My electric and gas bills are extortionate. I live in a three storey town house and the bottom floor is always quite cold.

My gas and electric are about £60 each per month.

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 11:59 am

Less than two years ago ONE school was highlighted for asking parents to donate money to buy necessary school items to help towards their childs education.
Now one in six schools write begging letters, asking parents to make regular donations towards the schools upkeep.

IF any money is raised it should not be spent supplying children from well off families (which many state school kids come from) with free food when parents can well afford to pay.

One of the reasons given for this ridiculous idea  is so children can eat at least one hot meal a day....PARENTS should ensure their children eat a hot meal, its part of a parents job to cook decent food and make sure their children eat well fgs.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/12007692/Grammar-school-writes-begging-letter-asking-parents-to-pay-75-a-month-towards-running-costs.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cash-strapped-schools-beg-parents-10192677

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 12:04 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

Maybe you oldies are using more electricity with your stanner stair lifts and charging up your mobility scooters...!?


lol!


My electric and gas bills are extortionate. I live in a three storey town house and the bottom floor is always quite cold.

My gas and electric are about £60 each per month.

I just checked my combined gas/elec bill for this time last year, they came in at just under £350 for 3 months usage....this is for a 3 bed modern (ish) house, but we do live in an exposed area, and it is Manchester where the winters are long and wet....neighbours I check with have similar sized winter bills.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:03 pm

As I sad... must be the stanner stair lift and charging up mobility scooters that's done it...!


lol!

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:05 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:As I sad... must be the stanner stair lift and charging up mobility scooters that's done it...!


lol!


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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:28 pm

Syl wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:As I sad... must be the stanner stair lift and charging up mobility scooters that's done it...!


lol!



Laughing


But seriously... have a go on us witch... it's a energy price comparison website site... I went on it and got with extraenergy... much cheaper than anyone else by miles!!!

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Post by magica on Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:26 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:As I sad... must be the stanner stair lift and charging up mobility scooters that's done it...!


lol!

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Post by magica on Mon Apr 10, 2017 2:28 pm

Syl wrote:Less than two years ago ONE school was highlighted for asking parents to donate money to buy necessary school items to help towards their childs education.
Now one in six schools write begging letters, asking parents to make regular donations towards the schools upkeep.

IF any money is raised it should not be spent supplying children from well off families (which many state school kids come from) with free food when parents can well afford to pay.

One of the reasons given for this ridiculous idea  is so children can eat at least one hot meal a day....PARENTS should ensure their children eat a hot meal, its part of a parents job to cook decent food and make sure their children eat well fgs.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/12007692/Grammar-school-writes-begging-letter-asking-parents-to-pay-75-a-month-towards-running-costs.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cash-strapped-schools-beg-parents-10192677

No, many state schools have parents on benefits Syl, this is why I said if they can have free meals so should parents who work and provide for their children, not relying on the state.

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:49 pm

magica wrote:
Syl wrote:Less than two years ago ONE school was highlighted for asking parents to donate money to buy necessary school items to help towards their childs education.
Now one in six schools write begging letters, asking parents to make regular donations towards the schools upkeep.

IF any money is raised it should not be spent supplying children from well off families (which many state school kids come from) with free food when parents can well afford to pay.

One of the reasons given for this ridiculous idea  is so children can eat at least one hot meal a day....PARENTS should ensure their children eat a hot meal, its part of a parents job to cook decent food and make sure their children eat well fgs.




http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/secondaryeducation/12007692/Grammar-school-writes-begging-letter-asking-parents-to-pay-75-a-month-towards-running-costs.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/politics/cash-strapped-schools-beg-parents-10192677

No,  many state schools have parents on benefits Syl, this is why I said if they can have free meals so should parents who work and provide for their children, not relying on the state.

Mags, I have said throughout the thread that if parents are low earners or on benefits children  should be entitled to free school meals....that's not the issue.

Parents who work and can afford to pay for their childrens school meals have never been entitled to free meals after the age of seven....so why start now?

Benefits are for people who need them...not people who don't.

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:53 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:



Laughing


But seriously... have a go on us witch... it's a energy price comparison website site... I went on it and got with extraenergy... much cheaper than anyone else by miles!!!

But my summer bills are a lot less......and in comparison to neighbours who are on various tariffs with different companies my bills are not too bad.

I will keep an eye open though Tommy.

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Post by eddie on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:59 pm

All children should be entitled to free school meals up until they leave school for good - in a perfect world.

If we can find the money for a million billion pound stupid cycle lane in London and for the shitty Olympic stadium and for PM's and MP's expenses....well we can feed some children for free, can't we??

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Post by Syl on Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:07 pm

eddie wrote:All children should be entitled to free school meals up until they leave school for good - in a perfect world.

If we can find the money for a million billion pound stupid cycle lane in London and for the shitty Olympic stadium and for PM's and MP's  expenses....well we can feed some children for free, can't we??

Money can always be spent more wisely somewhere else.....and unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world.

If schools are appealing to parents to set up standing orders and contribute towards the cost of their childs education (which is thanks to drastic government cuts) it stands to reason that people who can afford to pay for their childrens dinners should do.

Christ, my mum worked 3 and 4 cleaning jobs and found money for our school dinners....why does EVERYONE want something for nothing nowadays....even when they can well afford to pay for it?

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Post by Guest on Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:16 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:All children should be entitled to free school meals up until they leave school for good - in a perfect world.

If we can find the money for a million billion pound stupid cycle lane in London and for the shitty Olympic stadium and for PM's and MP's  expenses....well we can feed some children for free, can't we??

Money can always be spent more wisely somewhere else.....and unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world.

If schools are appealing to parents to set up standing orders and contribute towards the cost of their childs education (which is thanks to drastic government cuts) it stands to reason that people who can afford to pay for their childrens dinners should do.

Christ, my mum worked 3 and 4 cleaning jobs and found money for our school dinners....why does EVERYONE want something for nothing nowadays....even when they can well afford to pay for it?

How do you mean more wisely?

I cannot think of a better way to ensure all children at school are being fed healthily

A kid more healthy is less likely to become ill, which costs far more for children to attend the GP or even worse the Hospital.

Yes parents should have the responsibility of raising their children, but at school, its the schools responsibility to care for the students.

I fail to see how anyone is quibbling over costs here, when we all as a nation pay for all children to be educated. The fact that schooling costs tens of thousands for each children, those that can afford to feed their kids, could not afford to in many cases, afford their entire schooling costs. Hence why all aspects of schooling should be paid for by the state, as those costs will be recuperated by the years those children go on to work themselves. The point everyone is missing here. That means the money we invest in children will be far better paid back, with all children fed healthily and thus more able to learn

That means all children can have the same start in life at school equally treated the same.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:24 pm

eddie wrote:All children should be entitled to free school meals up until they leave school for good - in a perfect world.

If we can find the money for a million billion pound stupid cycle lane in London and for the shitty Olympic stadium and for PM's and MP's  expenses....well we can feed some children for free, can't we??


Tax people less and then people will have more money to spend on things that are important to them... like their children's lunches for example...

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