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Post by Original Quill on Sat Mar 25, 2017 3:28 pm

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New York Post wrote:Melania Trump refuses to share a bed with Donald
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Melania Trump has issued her own executive order: She refuses to share a bed with Donald Trump.

Inside sources have told US Weekly that the 46-year-old Slovenian stunner does not sleep in the same bed with the president even during the rare times when they are in the same city.

“They have separate bedrooms,” one Trump insider told the magazine. “They never spend the night together — ever.”

Added a second insider, “Melania does not keep hidden from everyone around her how miserable she is.”

A third source told the magazine that the couple sleeps in the same room but keeps separate beds, explaining, “It’s very ‘royal’ of them!”

The magazine features the story on its current cover, headlined, “Separate Bedrooms — Behind closed doors Melania and Donald Trump give each other lots of space and continue to live very much apart.”

A rep for Melania strongly denied the separate-bed claim, telling the magazine, “It’s unfortunate that you are going to feature unnamed ‘sources’ that have provided fictional accounts.”

Still, it’s indisputable that the first couple has continued to spend most of their time at least 200 miles apart, with Donald in Washington and Melania remaining with their son, Barron, 11, in the family’s triplex penthouse at Trump Tower in Manhattan.

She keeps the most limited of public schedules as first lady.

“Melania wants as little to do with Donald as possible,” an insider, described as a “family source,” told the magazine.

“She is not interested in Donald, the presidency or anything involving him.”

We all noticed  the hostile looks at the inauguration.  Looks like there is something to that.

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 4:24 am

eddie wrote:Quill it is entirely possible for him to use cocaine - most powerful people use it, probably Bill Clinton uses it, lawyers, bankers, doctors, nurses, architects, microbiologists.....I know many many many people from all professions who use it.

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".. -- most powerful people use it, .."

That's a pretty broad and all-ecompassing absolute generalisation there, eddie.  With zero real substantiation, and only a relatively small sample to draw on..

Surely the more correct claim should be :  "Many powerful people use it."  ?

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:19 am

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veya_victaous wrote:

One of the few humans with a more evil heart than Trump

He bought patents to life saving medicine than increased the price by 50000% (500 times the original price)

Yes, Raggs told me.  My use of his picture was purely by coincidence.  I googled images displaying curiosity, and got him.

I like reading about the guy - he always seems to be in trouble for one reason or another. His stock market deals have annoyed some people who dabbled in short selling.

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Syl on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:12 pm

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Syl wrote:

I did say it....my memory seems to be more accurate than yours.
What 'onslaught'? You surely don't mean the tittle tattle you were coming out with.

You said she wouldn't bother to sue any publication because 'celebrities' seldom won  this kind if defamation, I produced reports of several celebrities that had sued....and won.

The Point still stands that you repeat gossip and post it as if it were fact.

When you have no answers, it means you lose.  The subject is Donald Trump and his cocaine habit.  Changing the subject is not an answer.  It's an escape.

End of...

The cocaine habit that YOU keep mentioning he has do you mean? Rolling Eyes
You are a gossip Quill...and a repetitive one at that.

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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Mar 27, 2017 12:29 pm

Trump has just set up a SWAT squad to investigate opiate abuse with the bureaucracy within the White House.
Led by his son-in-law.
No doubt he will turn a blind eye to one special coke addict.

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 2:29 pm

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Eww. Big round eyes are said to depict avarice, so my mother says anyway.
Did he not care about AIDS sufferers dying?? Greedy lil turd.

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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:01 pm

eddie wrote:Quill it is entirely possible for him to use cocaine - most powerful people use it, probably Bill Clinton uses it, lawyers, bankers, doctors, nurses, architects, microbiologists.....I know many many many people from all professions who use it.

I don't see your point. You think he might use it, it's your opinion that he does.  


Bloody hellfire, What a Face I think you got a bit carried away there, eds. And you also say you personally witnessed many people taking it,  .... this means that maybe you move (or moved) in the wrong circles! I worked very closely among numerous medical professionals and none of them took cocaine as far as I know.

Sensible intelligent folk know what a toxic, evil drug cocaine is, so I doubt they would touch it with a bargepole. Let's try to avoid the sort of language that makes use of cocaine look normal or routine.
 





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eddie wrote:Okay....but if I'd said the same thing of the Clintons, and they probably don't share a bed either, then you'd have said it was all irrelevant to how good a job she can do as president.

It's an article showing they don't sleep in the same bad but for all anyone knows they may fuck on the kitchen table and hang from the bedroom light shades.  

I doubt if his 70 yo hip joints are up that sort of malarkey. What a Face lol!
I've no idea of the Donald takes cocaine so I won't join in the speculation but he's obviously quite unhinged at times.
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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:31 pm

Angry Andy wrote:Trump has just set up a SWAT squad to investigate opiate abuse with the bureaucracy within the White House.
Led by his son-in-law.
No doubt he will turn a blind eye to one special coke addict.

http://dailym.ai/2mGH6Ck

Cocaine/Coke is not an opiate. Opiates are essentially sedatives ie the total opposite.
Cocaine is a strong stimulant, stronger than speed/amphetamine.


The practice of calling most  prohibited drugs 'narcotics' is also wrong.  'Narcotic' means it induces sleep. Some drug called narcotics are actually the opposite.


Govt authorities lead the way in using misleading labels. Perhaps everyone (govt's, their advisers and the general public) should adopt the simple route and simply classify drugs according to how dangerous they are ... ie Class A or B  or C drugs. And leave chemical classification to real chemists, scientists and allied professions.

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by eddie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 3:48 pm

Jules wrote:
eddie wrote:Quill it is entirely possible for him to use cocaine - most powerful people use it, probably Bill Clinton uses it, lawyers, bankers, doctors, nurses, architects, microbiologists.....I know many many many people from all professions who use it.

I don't see your point. You think he might use it, it's your opinion that he does.  


Bloody hellfire, What a Face I think you got a bit carried away there, eds. And you also say you personally witnessed many people taking it,  .... this means that maybe you move (or moved) in the wrong circles! I worked very closely among numerous medical professionals and none of them took cocaine as far as I know.

Sensible intelligent folk know what a toxic, evil drug cocaine is, so I doubt they would touch it with a bargepole. Let's try to avoid the sort of language that makes use of cocaine look normal or routine.
 





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eddie wrote:Okay....but if I'd said the same thing of the Clintons, and they probably don't share a bed either, then you'd have said it was all irrelevant to how good a job she can do as president.

It's an article showing they don't sleep in the same bad but for all anyone knows they may fuck on the kitchen table and hang from the bedroom light shades.  

I doubt if his 70 yo hip joints are up that sort of malarkey. What a Face lol!
I've no idea of the Donald takes cocaine so I won't join in the speculation but he's obviously quite unhinged at times.


Of course it's a toxic and evil substance - just like too much alcohol (still a bigger problem yet more acceptable than cocaine) - and of course people shouldn't dismiss it.
That wasn't my point though, was it?  I have seen many professionals using it, I've been to parties and clubs (back in the 90's) and met loads of lawyers, nurses (loads of nurses) and people training g to be doctors and doctors themselves....all out of it on coke, ecstasy, amphetamines.  

You may have worked with many professionals and simply not seen them using. People who do coke tend to party with people who do coke.  It's that simple  

The general public are often really naive about what actually goes on and who uses drugs.  There are so many more than you probably realise.


I can move in many circles Jules, I love a variety of people as I'm no better than anyone else. It doesn't make me a bad person - more well-rounded perhaps - but it does mean that I know what I'm talking about.

Alcohol abuse ruins far more people than cocaine in any case but because most people drink they tend to ignore the actual crap it does.

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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:27 pm

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Eww. Big round eyes are said to depict avarice, so my mother says anyway.
Did he not care about AIDS sufferers dying??  Greedy lil turd.

(do we have a smiley that depicts disgust?? if not, that one /\ will do.)

Daraprim isn't specifically a drug for AIDS, it's an antiparasitic drug, although it can also be used to prevent or treat Pneumocystis pneumonia which can be found in those with compromised immune systems, including those with HIV/AIDS.


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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:37 pm

Jules wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:Trump has just set up a SWAT squad to investigate opiate abuse with the bureaucracy within the White House.
Led by his son-in-law.
No doubt he will turn a blind eye to one special coke addict.

http://dailym.ai/2mGH6Ck

Cocaine/Coke is not an opiate. Opiates are essentially sedatives ie the total opposite.
Cocaine is a strong stimulant, stronger than speed/amphetamine.


The practice of calling most  prohibited drugs 'narcotics' is also wrong.  'Narcotic' means it induces sleep. Some drug called narcotics are actually the opposite.


Govt authorities lead the way in using misleading labels. Perhaps everyone (govt's, their advisers and the general public) should adopt the simple route and simply classify drugs according to how dangerous they are ... ie Class A or B  or C drugs. And leave chemical classification to real chemists, scientists and allied professions.
Very much aware they are different , Jules, but they both are classified as Class A drugs. Highly addictive and a tolerence to the effects is acquired over time, requiring ever increasing doses to service the depedency.
I strongly believe Trump is a coke head, but there are no physical indications of opiate abuse ( weight loss, gaunt look).
Having a world leader with his finger on the red nuclear button whose actions and words many suspect are affected by drugs is a real concern. Perhaps he should be randomly tested by a medical team next time he visits Miami.
A doctor can certify a Pilot or ship's captain is unfit to work through drink or drugs, surely there must be a protocol in place for the President?

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Post by eddie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 6:57 pm

So perhaps, as this video shows, either Clinton is under some sort of mind control or hypnosis (sound stupid?) or he's on some drugs.

Let's speculate as to what we think. Say what you see.


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Post by eddie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:00 pm

Loads to speculate on, if you really want to look.


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Post by Syl on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:13 pm

eddie wrote:Loads to speculate on, if you really want to look.


I have seen this vid before. /\
The first one you posted ...he looks as if he is in a trance, but its been slowed down so maybe he was just day dreaming...its odd though.

The second vid, is the orator trying to say the Clintons are old and past it, maybe they are, but they are both marginally younger than Trump. Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:18 pm

eddie wrote:So perhaps, as this video shows, either Clinton is under some sort of mind control or hypnosis (sound stupid?) or he's on some drugs.

Let's speculate as to what we think. Say what you see.


I see a make up girl putting make up or powder on his face - nothing unusual about that. He would  be expressionless whilst she's doing that - he wouldn't want make up or powder to go adrift - although it is a bit odd that he didn't smile when she'd finished.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:23 pm

Angry Andy wrote:BILL Clinton was very generous to Monica. He splashed out on a new dress every week.
As to  Trump, would any of you ladies on here want a shag off him?
Fat , with a gnarled stump of a cock. Fetid, stale sperm oozing from the end. His only concern during the act is is HE getting any pleasure?

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:24 pm

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Syl wrote:On the other hand, he could just often have a snotty or blocked up nose.

A cold?  Are you kidding?  I've had many a cold and flu, and never have I behaved like that.  Those are not cold sniffles, those are agitated mucous membrane sniffles.

Syl wrote:Honestly Quill....for an experienced and learned   lawyer you are very loose with possible libelous statements.

Fortunately, it's not about me.  I think that conservatives world-wide turn a blind eye to the foibles of minority-President Trump, because after a black president they want desperately to be somehow vindicated by a spokesman of their own ideology.  Their ideology is being confirmed, however, it's not a very pretty picture.  Trump is who the RW is, what they believe, and the way they behave.

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Post by eddie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 7:27 pm

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eddie wrote:So perhaps, as this video shows, either Clinton is under some sort of mind control or hypnosis (sound stupid?) or he's on some drugs.

Let's speculate as to what we think. Say what you see.


I see a make up girl putting make up or powder on his face - nothing unusual about that. He would  be expressionless whilst she's doing that - he wouldn't want make up or powder to go adrift - although it is a bit odd that he didn't smile when she'd finished.


I think ne looks dazed and out of it. And if you zoom in at the end his right eye is staring ahead whilst his left one is wandering off the the left of the screen.

Perhaps it's nothing. But if this were a video of Trump, doing the same thing, he'd be on "cocaine" or something.

That's my point really.

I don't like Trump and I'm not defending him with or without him supposedly abusing cocaine, but let's be fair, we can all find videos of people doing odd things.

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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:13 pm

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eddie wrote:Quill it is entirely possible for him to use cocaine - most powerful people use it, probably Bill Clinton uses it, lawyers, bankers, doctors, nurses, architects, microbiologists.....I know many many many people from all professions who use it.

I don't see your point. You think he might use it, it's your opinion that he does.  


Do they? Don't they know that it's addictive and that it can destroy their noses?

You'd be surprised how popular cocaine is.   Anyone who thinks professionals don't use it, is wrong.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:22 pm

Codeine is an opiate and available over the counter in uk without prescription... it metabolises into morphine in the liver... and is regarded as being one of the most widely abused drugs here in uk...

Oxycodone addiction is rife in the usa... and a huge problem.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:30 pm

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Do they? Don't they know that it's addictive and that it can destroy their noses?

You'd be surprised how popular cocaine is.   Anyone who thinks professionals don't use it, is wrong.

I was querying the claim that most professionals use it really.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:33 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Codeine is an opiate and available over the counter in uk without prescription... it metabolises into morphine in the liver... and is regarded as being one of the most widely abused drugs here in uk...

Oxycodone addiction is rife in the usa... and a huge problem.

It's pretty mild though in its over-the-counter therapeutic dose, and it's generally mixed with other painkillers, so you wouldn't want to be scoffing those all day. Laughing

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:50 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:Codeine is an opiate and available over the counter in uk without prescription... it metabolises into morphine in the liver... and is regarded as being one of the most widely abused drugs here in uk...

Oxycodone addiction is rife in the usa... and a huge problem.

It's pretty mild though in its over-the-counter therapeutic dose, and it's generally mixed with other painkillers, so you wouldn't want to be scoffing those all day. Laughing


8mg of codeine per tablet is the maximum over counter available... normally paracetamol based plus the codeine.

The prescription ones are 30mg codeine with same amount of paracetamol.

I have read that there is a way of extracting the codeine... also that drinking pineapple juice with taking tablets maximises effects...

You can also get prescription 30mg codeine on its own without any other combined paracetamol too!


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 8:57 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

It's pretty mild though in its over-the-counter therapeutic dose, and it's generally mixed with other painkillers, so you wouldn't want to be scoffing those all day. Laughing


8mg of codeine per tablet is the maximum over counter available... normally paracetamol based plus the codeine.

The prescription ones are 30mg codeine with same amount of paracetamol.

I have read that there is a way of extracting the codeine... also that drinking pineapple juice with taking tablets maximises effects...

You can also get prescription 30mg codeine on its own without any other combined paracetamol too!


Yes, but you can't get codeine on it's own over the counter. As least the higher strengths you can get via prescription are supervised and monitored by a GP - in theory anyway.

There is apparently a way to extract it, but I don't think it should be encouraged. Laughing


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Post by HoratioTarr on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:17 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

It's pretty mild though in its over-the-counter therapeutic dose, and it's generally mixed with other painkillers, so you wouldn't want to be scoffing those all day. Laughing


8mg of codeine per tablet is the maximum over counter available... normally paracetamol based plus the codeine.

The prescription ones are 30mg codeine with same amount of paracetamol.

I have read that there is a way of extracting the codeine... also that drinking pineapple juice with taking tablets maximises effects...

You can also get prescription 30mg codeine on its own without any other combined paracetamol too!


12.8 mg is the max you can buy over the counter.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Mar 27, 2017 9:35 pm

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8mg of codeine per tablet is the maximum over counter available... normally paracetamol based plus the codeine.

The prescription ones are 30mg codeine with same amount of paracetamol.

I have read that there is a way of extracting the codeine... also that drinking pineapple juice with taking tablets maximises effects...

You can also get prescription 30mg codeine on its own without any other combined paracetamol too!


12.8 mg is the max you can buy over the counter.


Is it...?

Which ones are they?

Not saying I don't believe you... it's just that I had sciatica a couple years ago and before i could get to see a doctor, i tried to get the strongest painkillers I could buy from pharmacy and they said that the best over counter ones they had were 8mg codeine/500mg paracetamol...


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:08 pm

You can get 12.8mg with ibuprofen or paracetamol.

All codeine tablets are only supposed to be taken for three days.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:26 pm

Yes... but which ones...?

I have only found 8mg before and was told that was max available...

I also tried to get some another time when I broke my little toe... again told only 8mg was strongest available...


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes... but which ones...?

I have only found 8mg before and was told that was max available...

I also tried to get some another time when I broke my little toe... again told only 8mg was strongest available...


8mg does seem to be the standard over the counter, but apparently you can get 12.8 from Boots.

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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:38 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Jules wrote:

Eww. Big round eyes are said to depict avarice, so my mother says anyway.
Did he not care about AIDS sufferers dying??  Greedy lil turd.

(do we have a smiley that depicts disgust?? if not, that one /\ will do.)

Daraprim isn't specifically a drug for AIDS, it's an antiparasitic drug, although it can also used to prevent or treat Pneumocystis pneumonia which can be found in those with compromised immune systems, including those with HIV/AIDS.

Correct, and Daraprim was around DECADES before anyone had even heard of HIV/AIDS.
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Re: Not tonight Donny--you wet the bed, remember?

Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:51 pm

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Jules wrote:
Bloody hellfire, What a Face I think you got a bit carried away there, eds. And you also say you personally witnessed many people taking it,  .... this means that maybe you move (or moved) in the wrong circles! I worked very closely among numerous medical professionals and none of them took cocaine as far as I know.

Sensible intelligent folk know what a toxic, evil drug cocaine is, so I doubt they would touch it with a bargepole. Let's try to avoid the sort of language that makes use of cocaine look normal or routine.
 



Of course it's a toxic and evil substance - just like too much alcohol (still a bigger problem yet more acceptable than cocaine) - and of course people shouldn't dismiss it.
That wasn't my point though, was it?  I have seen many professionals using it, I've been to parties and clubs (back in the 90's) and met loads of lawyers, nurses (loads of nurses) and people training g to be doctors and doctors themselves....all out of it on coke, ecstasy, amphetamines.  

You may have worked with many professionals and simply not seen them using. People who do coke tend to party with people who do coke.  It's that simple  

The general public are often really naive about what actually goes on and who uses drugs.  There are so many more than you probably realise.


I can move in many circles Jules, I love a variety of people as I'm no better than anyone else. It doesn't make me a bad person - more well-rounded perhaps - but it does mean that I know what I'm talking about.  

Alcohol abuse ruins far more people than cocaine in any case but because most people drink they tend to ignore the actual crap it does.


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I am far better than all the cokeheads you witnessed at those parties, Eddie. You should have reported them to the authorities!



Joking!!  Laughing
Look, ... each to his own. I know I personally wouldn't touch that shit with a bargepole. I won't judge those who do.

But comparing it to alcohol doesn't wash cos alcohol is far less powerful - that is why you can give it to kids at communion mass and also in European restaurants. In my grandma's day people even gave  a drop of rum/brandy to colicky, crying babies. (In fact I think some anticolic pharmacy mixtures contain very weak alcohol,  even today .. not too sure. ) personally I ingest very little alcohol btw. I've never had a love affair with alcohol in my life. I just have a little every now and then, on rare occasions. I say this cos I sometimes get the  'drunkeness' jibe thrown at me when people lose arguments and can think of nowt else to say.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Mar 27, 2017 10:59 pm

I must say that talking about "professional" people using Cocaine is a bit controversial IMO. It gives the impression that it's somehow respectable and that it's something used by "intelligent" people.

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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:05 pm

eddie wrote:So perhaps, as this video shows, either Clinton is under some sort of mind control or hypnosis (sound stupid?) or he's on some drugs.

Let's speculate as to what we think. Say what you see.

This is a pathetic joke.  It is not a  simple one minute clip, it is a composite clip probably lasting 4 to 5 minutes, containing some selected bits joined side by side repeatedly. The bit with the lady's shadow encroaching on his face is shown at least 3 or 4 times!  

Additionally, they took a still clip lasting about 2 seconds and deliberately prolonged it to last 10/15 seconds, making him look as if he's in a trance. Eddie don't forget you can do anything in photoshop nowadays, people can even make a corpse in a coffin 'wink'. You can take any old still photo and animate it with a wink. I know, cos I put a wink in someone's still avvy photo for them, on request.

You can even get the mouth of a person to say things that another mouth is saying which is a very sinister development. Owt's possible.


Even a photoshop novice like me can see it a mile off. The second one is just as crappily pointless, created by a hostile anti-clinton creep.  I have contempt for these people who cannot even be bothered to make things look authentic. You can do anything with clips, you can run them backwards to tell a very different story to what really happened, the BBC did this with the queen when she  sat for a protrait, and they admitted guilt and had to  apologise afterwards. If these two tapes are the best you can present to make a case for cocaine use, then they are both completely vindicated.


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Post by eddie on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:14 pm

Yes that's my fucking point. You can read whatever you like into whatever you like.

Does anyone read my posts?

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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:16 pm

eddie wrote:Yes that's my fucking point. You can read whatever you like into whatever you like.

Does anyone read my posts?
 NO! Laughing
And I know you dislike the Clintons.
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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:27 pm

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eddie wrote:Okay....but if I'd said the same thing of the Clintons, and they probably don't share a bed either, then you'd have said it was all irrelevant to how good a job she can do as president.

It's an article showing they don't sleep in the same bad but for all anyone knows they may fuck on the kitchen table and hang from the bedroom light shades.  

I doubt if his 70 yo hip joints are up that sort of malarkey. What a Face lol!
I've no idea of the Donald takes cocaine so I won't join in the speculation but he's obviously quite unhinged at times.


MY Gawwd, me and my many typos!!  Shocked  Shocked
I'll just write the above 2 sentences again, minus the errors this time.


I doubt if his 70 year old hip joints are up  to that sort of malarkey. What a Face lol!
I've no idea if the Donald takes cocaine so I won't join in the speculation but he's obviously quite unhinged at times.

There!  I feel better now.
I think I will go make a fun thread about typos now.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:35 pm

Bill Clinton is not the president, nor has he been for 16-years. I think his opiate was women, and I've not heard much about use of drugs at his house. That said, his day is over, and if he wants to torch himself, it's of no consequence to me.

It is of consequence if a sitting President wants to coke himself up. I hope the Secret Service surreptitiously takes away the blow-everything-up brief case before he blows lines. Although, from what I've heard about them, they might need some policing themselves.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:41 pm

Jules wrote:MY Gawwd, me and my many typos!!  Shocked  Shocked
I'll just write the above 2 sentences again, minus the errors this time.

I doubt if his 70 year old hip joints are up  to that sort of malarkey. What a Face lol!
I've no idea if the Donald takes cocaine so I won't join in the speculation but he's obviously quite unhinged at times.

There!  I feel better now.
I think I will go make a fun thread about typos now.

We heard ya. Everyone makes typos. Sometimes they are inadvertently funny, but otherwise no worries.

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Post by Jules on Mon Mar 27, 2017 11:44 pm

Yeah everytime this administration criticises Clinton or Obama, journalists should immediately shut them down.

It's Trump in power now. The buck stops with HIM. Keep previous presidents out of the blame game, it won't wash.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:11 am

Jules wrote:
eddie wrote:


Of course it's a toxic and evil substance - just like too much alcohol (still a bigger problem yet more acceptable than cocaine) - and of course people shouldn't dismiss it.
That wasn't my point though, was it?  I have seen many professionals using it, I've been to parties and clubs (back in the 90's) and met loads of lawyers, nurses (loads of nurses) and people training g to be doctors and doctors themselves....all out of it on coke, ecstasy, amphetamines.  

You may have worked with many professionals and simply not seen them using. People who do coke tend to party with people who do coke.  It's that simple  

The general public are often really naive about what actually goes on and who uses drugs.  There are so many more than you probably realise.


I can move in many circles Jules, I love a variety of people as I'm no better than anyone else. It doesn't make me a bad person - more well-rounded perhaps - but it does mean that I know what I'm talking about.  

Alcohol abuse ruins far more people than cocaine in any case but because most people drink they tend to ignore the actual crap it does.


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I am far better than all the cokeheads you witnessed at those parties, Eddie. You should have reported them to the authorities!



Joking!!  Laughing
Look, ... each to his own. I know I personally wouldn't touch that shit with a bargepole. I won't judge those who do.

But comparing it to alcohol doesn't wash cos alcohol is far less powerful - that is why you can give it to kids at communion mass and also in European restaurants. In my grandma's day people even gave  a drop of rum/brandy to colicky, crying babies. (In fact I think some anticolic pharmacy mixtures contain very weak alcohol,  even today .. not too sure. ) personally I ingest very little alcohol btw. I've never had a love affair with alcohol in my life. I just have a little every now and then, on rare occasions. I say this cos I sometimes get the  'drunkeness' jibe thrown at me when people  lose arguments and can think of nowt else to say.


It was perfectly legal to buy cocaine and morphine here in uk until about 100 years ago... in fact 'Fortnums and Masons' and 'harrods' used to do a range of 'hampers' for sale...

It is said that Queen Victoria herself had indulgent tastes... said to include even enjoying marijuana...


It is not a new thing for people to want to be eating/drinking/smoking numerous different naturally found forms of plants/vegetation for their own enjoyment etc... this has been happening since the earliest records of human existence have shown...


Why is it that some get to decide what others can and can't do... when we are talking about the taking/using of natural plants found growing widely and freely in our natural world?


Is it really about being concerned for my health etc....!?


Cos... there are plenty of things out there in the countryside etc, that I could come across, and choose to ingest, and that could cause me acute injuries and even death... but there are no laws in place against me doing/trying to do so...



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Post by Jules on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:29 am

Not too sure why you have attached your opinion to my post. My original point was that cocaine use should never be made to seem like normal or routine activity. Children could read it. I also said that I don't judge.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Mar 28, 2017 12:40 am

My post was attached to both yours and Eddie's comments as I felt that you had both expanded the parameters of discussion enough to accommodate my interjection...



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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Mar 28, 2017 4:13 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Jules wrote:
eddie wrote:


Of course it's a toxic and evil substance - just like too much alcohol (still a bigger problem yet more acceptable than cocaine) - and of course people shouldn't dismiss it.
That wasn't my point though, was it?  I have seen many professionals using it, I've been to parties and clubs (back in the 90's) and met loads of lawyers, nurses (loads of nurses) and people training g to be doctors and doctors themselves....all out of it on coke, ecstasy, amphetamines.  

You may have worked with many professionals and simply not seen them using. People who do coke tend to party with people who do coke.  It's that simple  

The general public are often really naive about what actually goes on and who uses drugs.  There are so many more than you probably realise.


I can move in many circles Jules, I love a variety of people as I'm no better than anyone else. It doesn't make me a bad person - more well-rounded perhaps - but it does mean that I know what I'm talking about.  

Alcohol abuse ruins far more people than cocaine in any case but because most people drink they tend to ignore the actual crap it does.


I am!
I am far better than all the cokeheads you witnessed at those parties, Eddie. You should have reported them to the authorities!



Joking!!  Laughing
Look, ... each to his own. I know I personally wouldn't touch that shit with a bargepole. I won't judge those who do.

But comparing it to alcohol doesn't wash cos alcohol is far less powerful - that is why you can give it to kids at communion mass and also in European restaurants. In my grandma's day people even gave  a drop of rum/brandy to colicky, crying babies. (In fact I think some anticolic pharmacy mixtures contain very weak alcohol,  even today .. not too sure. ) personally I ingest very little alcohol btw. I've never had a love affair with alcohol in my life. I just have a little every now and then, on rare occasions. I say this cos I sometimes get the  'drunkeness' jibe thrown at me when people  lose arguments and can think of nowt else to say.


It was perfectly legal to buy cocaine and morphine here in uk until about 100 years ago... in fact 'Fortnums and Masons' and 'harrods' used to do a range of 'hampers' for sale...

It is said that Queen Victoria herself had indulgent tastes... said to include even enjoying marijuana...


It is not a new thing for people to want to be eating/drinking/smoking numerous different naturally found forms of plants/vegetation for their own enjoyment etc... this has been happening since the earliest records of human existence have shown...


Why is it that some get to decide what others can and can't do... when we are talking about the taking/using of natural plants found growing widely and freely in our natural world?


Is it really about being concerned for my health etc....!?


Cos... there are plenty of things out there in the countryside etc, that I could come across, and choose to ingest, and that could cause me acute injuries and even death... but there are no laws in place against me doing/trying to do so...



Tommy is right, those fancy 'snuff boxes' common in period literature are cocaine holders.
Most of the Laws are because the USA is a world leader in the production of tobacco and alcohol, but not cocaine and marijuana IF they were all legal then Tobacco would be less profitable and South America far richer and more powerful. which would definitely have made Brazil and Mexico etc a threat to the USA's regional dominance 100 years ago. Plus in the case of Alcohol it is the European traditional intoxicant. as mentioned, even used in religious ceremony, notice we ignored the fact that peyote has been used in religious ceremonies for millennia by Native Americans

And Additionally
Alcohol is NOT less powerful, it is very powerful it is just the generations of use and abuse by Europeans have left those of European heritage with a high tolerance. the same is not true in many Asian and indigenous societies where it is not traditionally consumed. one of the most obvious example is Kava similar to alcohol and traditionally used in Polynesia, many Polynesians can consume it in vast quantities of Kava but give them 2 beers and they are wasted and the same in reverse a European decent person (Aussie in my case ) can consume large qualities of alcohol but glass of Kava and it's like consuming a litre of hard spirits.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Mar 28, 2017 5:19 am

I used to take Kava to calm down; two small pills and I'd feel like it was probably not a good idea to drive. It's marketed in the U.S. and I'm sure in other English-speaking countries as an herbal sedative.

The thing for me was, though, if I used Kava more than a few days a week, my tolerance built up really quickly. I'm just a very difficult person to get intoxicated Smile

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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:21 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


It was perfectly legal to buy cocaine and morphine here in uk until about 100 years ago... in fact 'Fortnums and Masons' and 'harrods' used to do a range of 'hampers' for sale...

It is said that Queen Victoria herself had indulgent tastes... said to include even enjoying marijuana...


It is not a new thing for people to want to be eating/drinking/smoking numerous different naturally found forms of plants/vegetation for their own enjoyment etc... this has been happening since the earliest records of human existence have shown...


Why is it that some get to decide what others can and can't do... when we are talking about the taking/using of natural plants found growing widely and freely in our natural world?


Is it really about being concerned for my health etc....!?


Cos... there are plenty of things out there in the countryside etc, that I could come across, and choose to ingest, and that could cause me acute injuries and even death... but there are no laws in place against me doing/trying to do so...



Tommy is right, those fancy 'snuff boxes' common in period literature are cocaine holders.
Most of the Laws are because the USA is a world leader in the production of tobacco and alcohol, but not cocaine and marijuana IF they were all legal then Tobacco would be less profitable and South America far richer and more powerful. which would definitely have made Brazil and Mexico etc a threat to the USA's regional dominance 100 years ago. Plus in the case of Alcohol it is the European traditional intoxicant. as mentioned, even  used in religious ceremony, notice we ignored the fact that peyote has been used in religious ceremonies for millennia by Native Americans

And Additionally
Alcohol is NOT less powerful, it is very powerful it is just the generations of use and abuse by Europeans have left those of European heritage with a high tolerance. the same is not true in many Asian and indigenous societies where it is not traditionally consumed. one of the most obvious example is Kava similar to alcohol and traditionally used in Polynesia, many Polynesians can consume it in vast quantities of Kava but give them 2 beers and they are wasted and the same in reverse a European decent person (Aussie in my case ) can consume large qualities of alcohol but glass of Kava and it's like consuming a litre of hard spirits.

Could you explain that further? You're saying that tolerance to alcohol is some kind of  evolutionary issue?

Did you really mean "decent" or "descent"?


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Post by eddie on Tue Mar 28, 2017 7:23 am

Ben Reilly wrote:I used to take Kava to calm down; two small pills and I'd feel like it was probably not a good idea to drive. It's marketed in the U.S. and I'm sure in other English-speaking countries as an herbal sedative.

The thing for me was, though, if I used Kava more than a few days a week, my tolerance built up really quickly. I'm just a very difficult person to get intoxicated Smile


Erm knowing you as I do, you would've needed Kava Xtra plus. Cool

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Mar 28, 2017 8:45 am

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12.8 mg is the max you can buy over the counter.


Is it...?

Which ones are they?

Not saying I don't believe you... it's just that I had sciatica a couple years ago and before i could get to see a doctor, i tried to get the strongest painkillers I could buy from pharmacy and they said that the best over counter ones they had were 8mg codeine/500mg paracetamol...


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Post by Jules on Tue Mar 28, 2017 3:04 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


It was perfectly legal to buy cocaine and morphine here in uk until about 100 years ago... in fact 'Fortnums and Masons' and 'harrods' used to do a range of 'hampers' for sale...

It is said that Queen Victoria herself had indulgent tastes... said to include even enjoying marijuana...


It is not a new thing for people to want to be eating/drinking/smoking numerous different naturally found forms of plants/vegetation for their own enjoyment etc... this has been happening since the earliest records of human existence have shown...


Why is it that some get to decide what others can and can't do... when we are talking about the taking/using of natural plants found growing widely and freely in our natural world?


Is it really about being concerned for my health etc....!?


Cos... there are plenty of things out there in the countryside etc, that I could come across, and choose to ingest, and that could cause me acute injuries and even death... but there are no laws in place against me doing/trying to do so...



Tommy is right, those fancy 'snuff boxes' common in period literature are cocaine holders.
Most of the Laws are because the USA is a world leader in the production of tobacco and alcohol, but not cocaine and marijuana IF they were all legal then Tobacco would be less profitable and South America far richer and more powerful. which would definitely have made Brazil and Mexico etc a threat to the USA's regional dominance 100 years ago. Plus in the case of Alcohol it is the European traditional intoxicant. as mentioned, even  used in religious ceremony, notice we ignored the fact that peyote has been used in religious ceremonies for millennia by Native Americans

And Additionally
Alcohol is NOT less powerful, it is very powerful it is just the generations of use and abuse by Europeans have left those of European heritage with a high tolerance. the same is not true in many Asian and indigenous societies where it is not traditionally consumed. one of the most obvious example is Kava similar to alcohol and traditionally used in Polynesia, many Polynesians can consume it in vast quantities of Kava but give them 2 beers and they are wasted and the same in reverse a European decent person (Aussie in my case ) can consume large qualities of alcohol but glass of Kava and it's like consuming a litre of hard spirits.

Well in that case .... maybe the time has come to outlaw alcohol and legalise the ''less powerful'' cocaine! Let the legislation begin! Can't say fairer than that!

As for the Asian intolerance to alcohol - I've always understood it to be entirely a genetic (not cultural) reason. I was under the impression that some Asians lack an enzyme that processes alcohol.

Have a good day, Veya! Smile
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Post by veya_victaous on Tue Mar 28, 2017 11:12 pm

[quote="Jules"]
veya_victaous wrote:
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It was perfectly legal to buy cocaine and morphine here in uk until about 100 years ago... in fact 'Fortnums and Masons' and 'harrods' used to do a range of 'hampers' for sale...

It is said that Queen Victoria herself had indulgent tastes... said to include even enjoying marijuana...


It is not a new thing for people to want to be eating/drinking/smoking numerous different naturally found forms of plants/vegetation for their own enjoyment etc... this has been happening since the earliest records of human existence have shown...


Why is it that some get to decide what others can and can't do... when we are talking about the taking/using of natural plants found growing widely and freely in our natural world?


Is it really about being concerned for my health etc....!?


Cos... there are plenty of things out there in the countryside etc, that I could come across, and choose to ingest, and that could cause me acute injuries and even death... but there are no laws in place against me doing/trying to do so...



Tommy is right, those fancy 'snuff boxes' common in period literature are cocaine holders.
Most of the Laws are because the USA is a world leader in the production of tobacco and alcohol, but not cocaine and marijuana IF they were all legal then Tobacco would be less profitable and South America far richer and more powerful. which would definitely have made Brazil and Mexico etc a threat to the USA's regional dominance 100 years ago. Plus in the case of Alcohol it is the European traditional intoxicant. as mentioned, even  used in religious ceremony, notice we ignored the fact that peyote has been used in religious ceremonies for millennia by Native Americans

And Additionally
Alcohol is NOT less powerful, it is very powerful it is just the generations of use and abuse by Europeans have left those of European heritage with a high tolerance. the same is not true in many Asian and indigenous societies where it is not traditionally consumed. one of the most obvious example is Kava similar to alcohol and traditionally used in Polynesia, many Polynesians can consume it in vast quantities of Kava but give them 2 beers and they are wasted and the same in reverse a European decent person (Aussie in my case ) can consume large qualities of alcohol but glass of Kava and it's like consuming a litre of hard spirits.

Well in that case .... maybe the time has come to outlaw alcohol and legalise the ''less powerful'' cocaine! Let the legislation begin! Can't say fairer than that!

As for the Asian intolerance to alcohol - I've always understood it to be entirely a genetic (not cultural) reason. I was under the impression that some Asians lack an enzyme that processes alcohol.

Have a good day, Veya! Smile[/quote

Yes some Asian lack the enzyme and would have died out in Europe since Alcohol was often the safer to drink than bacteria infested water. In Asia the prevalence of tea meant that it wasn't the case so those lacking the enzyme are still around. an example of Evolution in humans Wink

in traditional south American cultures cocaine was actually treated like we treat caffeine today. given it was not the highly processed stuff that is around now. but it was a common pick me up, the leaves chewed by most people.

Alcohol is more powerful and quite damaging to the human body, more so than marijuana and probably more dangerous for you than natural cocaine.

Have a good day too


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