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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:05 am

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Back in 2015, when Jim Webb ended his campaign to become the Democrat’s presidential nominee, I referred to him as “the Dems’ only adult.” It had been clear, for months, that Webb stood no chance of gaining any sort of traction among the rabid lefties that control today’s Democrat party.  It was just never going to happen.

The reason? He’s sane.

That alone disqualified him.  Before he even announced his candidacy, his very sanity doomed him.  Democrats demanded candidates who would drag the entire country into a radical left-wing morass, so they ended up with Bernie and Hillary.

As the saying goes, “human events proceed with irresistible logic.”  Dems suffered a disastrous, soul-crushing, hysteria-inducing defeat at the hands of their ultimate boogeyman, Donald Trump.  They face another electoral bloodbath in 2018 and their 2020 bench is as shallow as a puddle of spit in the Sahara.

This weekend, Jim Webb did a nice job of laying out the Democrats’ woes…


Democrats are looking at 2018. And they don’t have a message.

The message that has been shaped by the Democratic party has been shaped toward identity politics and they’ve lost the key part of their base.

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The Democrats have not done the kind of self-reflection that they should have starting in 2010. You’ve lost white working people. You’ve lost flyover land, and you saw in this election what happens when people get frustrated enough that they say, ‘I’m not going to take this.

There is an aristocracy now that pervades American politics. It’s got to be broken somehow in both parties, and I think that’s what the Trump message was that echoed so strongly in these flyover communities.


He’s 100% correct. Right now, Dems are scrambling to do the impossible: find a message that will play to normal, non-rabid, human beings without alienating their bat-crap crazy base.  “Impossible” in this case, is not used lightly, since any move to the center will be met with the same kind of violence and rage we currently see directed at conservatives.

By the way, Democrats could have recognized this issue a while back.  All they needed to do was heed the warnings of ...presidential candidate Jim Webb.
For the record, Jim Webb’s presidential hopes ended with the sentence “The party has moved way far to the left and that’s not my Democratic party.”


Congratulations, Democrats.  You ignored his warnings and your party faceplanted hard enough to leave an impact crater.

Please, do us all a favor and stay the course. Continue to blame hackers, Comey, Obama, Trump, racism, talk radio, sexism, fake news, Nazis, global warming, Fox, Bush, whatever.

We’re all better off while the left is trapped in denial.
http://canadafreepress.com/article/jim-webb-has-figured-out-why-democrats-are-losing-so-badly.-...heres-why-th#


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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:12 am

It's true.  People are sick and tired of lefties and Liberals.

According to Politico a recent Morning Consult poll conducted on the 9th and 10th of February, Warren’s continued hard lean to the left, and the reaction from hard leftists to it, is not helping her garner the support she may be wishing for.

Politico wrote:
But, in the fourth week of Trump’s presidency, a new POLITICO/Morning Consult poll shows that Democrats could be in trouble — and Trump could triumph — if they continue their lurch to the left.

Despite the public’s increasing misgivings about Trump’s behavior and tactics in the White House, he still beats Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) in a hypothetical matchup, 42 percent to 36 percent — a fairly impressive margin for a less-than-popular president against the prominent senator.
http://www.politico.com/story/2017/02/poll-trump-democrats-elizabeth-warren-235026

That means even with awareness and sympathy for Warren at its height, she still cannot overcome the current Republican president. What’s more, this poll is Democrat heavy with a D+7 sample. Up against any other Democrat, Trump loses 43 to 35. In other words, Democrats would love to vote for a Democrat, so long as that Democrat is not Elizabeth Warren.  She's too left and people have a very negative view of the left.


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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:34 am

Hahaha, you're so full of shit Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. 2984306523

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:58 am

I know that it's a jagged pill to swallow, Ben, but people have had it with the lefties and liberals.
Just look at Politico's poll of Trump vs Warren. What do those results tell you? That's right, it says that even though Trump is unpopular, he's still more popular than a Liberal.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:03 am

How the fuck do you lose the popular vote by 3 million and then gloat and lecture to the side that won? Laughing

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How do you read an article like that and feel anything but doomed as a shameless Trump cocksucker? Oh, God bless but you are priceless Smile

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:33 am

Ben wrote:
How the fuck do you lose the popular vote by 3 million and then gloat and lecture to the side that won?

Won?  Lol!!
What did you "win"?  In case you hadn't noticed, Trump is our new POTUS. You Lost.  The popular vote that you tout isn't anything more than a conciliatory prize -- a participation trophy for the Liberals to cling to when they're feeling depressed.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:40 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:I know that it's a jagged pill to swallow, Ben, but people have had it with the lefties and liberals.  
Just look at Politico's poll of Trump vs Warren.  What do those results tell you?  That's right, it says that even though Trump is unpopular, he's still more popular than a Liberal.

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. Ripliberalism

Here we go again

You invoke Liberalism is dead?

Are you thus saying you believe Democracy is dead?

Free Speech?

Equality?

Civil Rights?

Freedom of Expression?

Freedom of the Press?

Secular Governments?

Free Markets?

Or are you saying and backing an autocratic Totalitarian system?
Which are you also saying, that the US under Trump is Totalitarianism?


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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:54 am

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Are you thus saying you believe Democracy is dead?

Liberalism != Democracy

Quit conflating the two.
They're two different words that mean two different things.

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. What-is-the-definition-of-democracy_3

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. The-dictionary-liberal-moonbat-politics-1311767850

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:57 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Thorin wrote:
Are you thus saying you believe Democracy is dead?

Liberalism != Democracy

Quit conflating the two.
They're two different words that mean two different things.

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. What-is-the-definition-of-democracy_3


Democracy is a Liberal Value

So its not conflating anything

Liberalism is a political philosophy or worldview founded on ideas of liberty and equality.[1][2][3] Whereas classical liberalism emphasises the role of liberty, social liberalism stresses the importance of equality.[4] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but generally they support ideas and programmes such as freedom of speechfreedom of the pressfreedom of religionfree marketscivil rightsdemocratic societiessecular governmentsgender equality, and international cooperation.

So piss poor misdirection again and you avoided the questions again for the third day running


Here we go again

You invoke Liberalism is dead?

Are you thus saying you believe Democracy is dead?

Free Speech?

Equality?

Civil Rights?

Freedom of Expression?

Freedom of the Press?

Secular Governments?

Free Markets?

Or are you saying and backing an autocratic Totalitarian system?
Which are you also saying, that the US under Trump is Totalitarianism?

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:40 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Thorin wrote:
Are you thus saying you believe Democracy is dead?

Liberalism != Democracy

Quit conflating the two.
They're two different words that mean two different things.

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. What-is-the-definition-of-democracy_3

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. The-dictionary-liberal-moonbat-politics-1311767850

You do realize in most nations Liberal means Right Wing? Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

most nations are between liberal capitalists and democratic socialists (labour parties founded in the unionist movement)
Only in the USA is it liberal capitalist and authoritarian fascists Razz Razz Razz Razz

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:45 am

@op
this is why China will be so much better as world leader:roll: Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
Liberal (the Democratic party) is the equivalent of the Right wing parties of Australia (literal called Liberal party) and the UK (Tories)

the poor public education system in the USA has rendered it's leadership out of touch with the rest of the world, quite simple apart from North Korea no one else has enough uneducated people to allow an autocrat power

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:09 pm

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Democracy is a Liberal Value

No, it's not. Control and authority are Liberal values -- two values that cannot cohabit with Democracy.
To Liberals, Democracy is a symbol or a "promise" that has no real life.

Exhibit A


DNC lawyers have just responded to a class-action lawsuit over their primary being rigged, arguing that maintaining a fair and balanced primary was merely a “political promise.”

The lawyers argued that “Courts have uniformly rejected attempts to litigate on the basis of purported political promises, including ‘statements of principle and intent in the political realm.”

Essentially, the DNC’s promise to remain neutral and fair during the primary is a political promise similar to “policy proposals made in campaign platforms that aren’t fulfilled when in office.”

What’s worse is that the DNC’s lawyers claimed that Bernie Sanders’ supporters were aware that the DNC and chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz were biased against their candidate, an argument that has never been substantiated.

http://thepoliticalinsider.com/dnc-rigged-stole-election-from-bernie-sanders/

Yeah, the Democratic party loves democracy soooooo much that they made a farce out of it. The DNC's own attorney is arguing in court that maintaining a fair and balanced primary was merely a “political promise.” Just a promise... that they had no intention of keeping. The Democratic Primary wasn't a democratic event, as it was "promised" to be. So much for democracy within the Liberal ranks, huh?
http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19676p100-donald-trump-the-president-of-the-united-states-of-america-is-absolutely-right

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You do realize in most nations Liberal means Right Wing?

Yes and, when speaking within the contexts of those other countries, I try to keep the party alignments correct.


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Post by 'Wolfie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:45 pm

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I know that it's a jagged pill to swallow, Ben, but people have had it with the lefties and liberals.  
Just look at Politico's poll of Trump vs Warren.  What do those results tell you?  That's right, it says that even though Trump is unpopular, he's still more popular than a Liberal.

Jim Webb has figured out why Democrats are losing so badly. Ripliberalism

Idea

THE O/P is obviously a sick joke right from the getgo...

A sham "poll" run by an alt.right political blogsite is used by a couple of extremist propaganda/"fake news" sites to spin a total load of bulldust..

And then that lot is regurgitated by a serial Teabagger spamming troll in the guise of news ?

Question

I KNOW that you don't have a very good grasp of the English language,  Comrade NITsky --  with it only being a distant second to your native Russki tongue --  however, could you please try and tell us just what you think the following terms mean :  

'Lefties'
Liberals
Democracy
Majority
Polls


As you obviously don't have a clue !          Laughing

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 5:48 pm

Poor LegHumpingWolfie...
Being rude, hostile, and abrasive is the norm for him, but how did he get this way? I don't think I've ever seen anyone this angry this often.

Wolfie, perhaps you should read up on the things you spout off about. It may perhaps lead to better quality posts, from you, because you'll have a better understanding about the things you currently only pretend to understand.

Oh, and while you're in another country, in your mom's basement, you might want to show her that you appreciate her letting you live there by cleaning up a little. Wink Try doing something nice, it might make you feel better.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:02 pm

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Ben wrote:
How the fuck do you lose the popular vote by 3 million and then gloat and lecture to the side that won?

Won?  Lol!!
What did you "win"?  In case you hadn't noticed, Trump is our new POTUS. You Lost.  The popular vote that you tout isn't anything more than a conciliatory prize -- a participation trophy for the Liberals to cling to when they're feeling depressed.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:06 pm

And I think Wolf is dead right about the quality of the source. For example, here's an editorial cartoon from its home page:

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Nice, real "adult" of them Smile But the key here is they published an editorial cartoon with a misspelled name -- it's "Lorne" Michaels, not "Loren."

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Feb 16, 2017 6:32 pm

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And I think Wolf is dead right about the quality of the source.

Wolfie needs to work on the quality of his grammar.

So, Ben, why haven't you Googled it for yourself?  Yes, I know that these facts are very inconvenient for Democrats, but that doesn't diminish their factual standing.  How the Democrats conducted their Primary Election was the antithesis of Democracy.  And that's why they're now in an existential crisis, and is why they've netted more losses this past election, on both federal and state levels.

Ben, there is no shame in admitting that the Democratic party is in shambles and is slowly, but most definitely, eroding around us.  Is this the kind of party you want to support?  At some point, you have to do some introspection and ask yourself if constantly defending their lies and deceit is your purpose in life... or is there a more fulfilling alternative?  

Until you and Wolfie get your Google machine fixed, I went ahead and linked a few more articles for you, below.  Happy reading.

Law Newz wrote:
According to the DNC’s argument, the assumption that the presidential nominating process was fair can not amount to an appropriate basis for a lawsuit because any indications of fairness are nothing more than “purported political promises.” Why did they make that argument? It was a clever legal maneuver. In general, neither donors nor constituents have standing to sue over broken political promises based on a variety of long-held legal principles, not the least of which is that as an appropriate remedy “voters are free to vote out of office those politicians seen to have breached campaign promises…” Only the 2016 election could make assumptions of basic fairness seem dirty and suspect.
DNC Stoops To New Low In Fraud Lawsuit Filed By Bernie Backers
DNC Lawyers Argue No Liability: Neutrality Is Merely a ‘Political Promise’
DNC Admits They Stole the Election From Bernie Sanders
DNC Concede Election Was Definitely Rigged Against Sanders

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Well, at least you didn't degrade women in your post. That's nice to see.
Baby steps.

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The Observer wrote:
Sanders supporters deserve some sort of restitution for the Democratic primaries, as their voices were silenced by the DNC’s efforts to elect Clinton. It would set a dangerous precedent to allow the DNC and Clinton to walk away from the primaries and win the presidency, with no meaningful reforms to address the issues that subverted the democratic process.

If this is how it’s going to be, Democratic presidential candidates will have no reason to specifically court voters in the primaries. Instead they will instead focus on gaining influence within the DNC and Democratic Party leadership, so that behind the scenes, those officials can manufacture consent for their preferred candidate’s coronation among the Democratic Party’s registered voters.
http://observer.com/2016/10/dnc-lawyers-argue-no-liability-neutrality-is-merely-a-promise/

I think everyone knows how the Republicans felt about Trump being the face of their party.
As much as they hated the very notion of it, they didn't try to subvert democracy and the will of the people. Unlike the Democratic Party, the Republicans allowed their voters to decide, just as a democracy should be.

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