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Trump Was Just Asked About Anti-Semitism In The US. His Answer Is Embarassing

Post by Lurker on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:37 pm

Trump proves yet again what a blooming idiot he is. His brain works at a kindergarten level:

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/15/trump-just-asked-anti-semitism-us-answer-embarassing/

So-Called President Trump welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu to the White House today, where the two held a joint press conference.

Trump began his remarks by reversing decades of American foreign policy and declaring that we can “live” with a one-state solution to the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, giving a green light to the illegal Israeli occupation and condemning Palestinians to a future as second-class citizens in their own country.

He was then asked by a reporter about the growing anti-Semitic sentiment in the United States, and his answer was a national humiliation.


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Re: Trump Was Just Asked About Anti-Semitism In The US. His Answer Is Embarassing

Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:46 pm

Lurker wrote:Trump proves yet again what a blooming idiot he is. His brain works at a kindergarten level:

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/15/trump-just-asked-anti-semitism-us-answer-embarassing/

So-Called President Trump welcomed Israeli Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu to the White House today, where the two held a joint press conference.

Trump began his remarks by reversing decades of American foreign policy and declaring that we can “live” with a one-state solution to the conflict between Israelis and Palestinians, giving a green light to the illegal Israeli occupation and condemning Palestinians to a future as second-class citizens in their own country.

He was then asked by a reporter about the growing anti-Semitic sentiment in the United States, and his answer was a national humiliation.

What have I been telling y'all, all along? It's an Israeli Lebensraum. Trump will want the Iraqi oil, of course.

trump may just blunder his way into WW III after all.

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Re: Trump Was Just Asked About Anti-Semitism In The US. His Answer Is Embarassing

Post by Guest on Wed Feb 15, 2017 11:52 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Lurker wrote:Trump proves yet again what a blooming idiot he is. His brain works at a kindergarten level:

http://occupydemocrats.com/2017/02/15/trump-just-asked-anti-semitism-us-answer-embarassing/



What have I been telling y'all, all along?  It's an Israeli Lebensraum.  Trump will want the Iraqi oil, of course.

trump may just blunder his way into WW III after all.


And its clear I need to easily refute your claim again, as I did before, that glaringly crosses over in antisemitism.




How can you applaud something that has happened before in history?
Making the West Bank and and East Jerusalem Judenrein. As it once before happened when the Jordanians Ethically cleansed the West Bank and East Jerusalem of Jews after they conquered these areas in 1948.

Whilst I support the view to condemn Israel on the demolition of homes and displacement of Palestinian civilians. Which occurs to terrorist families in the main. The claim that Israel cannot resettle Jews into areas they were ethnically cleansed from, goes against the Geneva convention and 1922 Mandate that called for all the areas of the West Bank and East Jerusalem to be a part of the historical Jewish home. Which stated for the resettlement of Jewish refugees. This has never been rescinded and is binding in international law. Jordan was the partitioned part created for the Arabs. The Arabs in the area going to be the creation of the home for Jews, committed countless atrocities against the Jews. With throughout countless times, always refusing to recognizing the self determination of the Jewish people in the Middle East. 

The Uk went to war against Germany because of the self determination of the Polish people and this resolution is rewarding the aggressors, the Palestinians Arabs, for countless violence, wars and terrorism. It would be like rewarding Germany after the defeat in world war 2. This resolution is as bad and so one sided, its as appalling as the British white paper of 1939. That sentenced to death hundreds of thousands of Jews in Europe, by restricting the number of Jewish refugees and all to appeal to violence from Arabs.

Now I can go into great detail how in fact there is no legal bases for this resolution, as there has never been a Palestinian state recognized  that can be classed as in occupation. Especially when the areas were originally assigned to the Jews. Hence why Jordan was created for the Arabs. Now in 1993 the settlements were not an obstacle for peace for the Oslo accords.


Here is a map of the settlements in 1993.



 Here is a map of the settlements today overlapped with 1993.



The myth of "expanding settlements" is the single biggest lie in conflict, and it is one that is repeated ad nauseam by top US, European and UN officials as settled fact. That's why they always use population figures instead of amount of hectares of space taken up by Jewish communities - because those actual numbers don't fit the narrative of Israel destroying the chances for peace.

If peace was possible in 1993, it is now. If it wasn't then, it isn't now. Nothing fundamental has changed - except the amount of demonization of Israel by her supposed "friends."

The people who blame Jewish settlements for the lack of peace - while ignoring the Second Intifada, and the "knife intifada," and constant incitement to murder Jews, and every PA map that erases the Jewish state - are hypocrites and liars. And that includes Barack Obama, John Kerry, and nearly every Western world leader.
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If you have patience, here are two B'Tselem maps, one from 2002 - right after the Clinton parameters that Arafat rejected - and one from 2011. See how much these Jewish communities have supposedly grown. Graphics design experts may want to show the actual differences in the size of Jewish communities over the time period. (I wish I had the skill to do that.)

In actuality, the answer is very little. The communities took about 2% of the land over the Green Line then and they still do.





As you can see, the world is being told a whopper of a lie by Kerry. All that is happened is the expansion of previously created infrastructure built for Jews in areas, that once had Jews living in many cases. In other words it was not an issue then, but now with their expansion. The claim is it is going to stop any peace.
So how was it not a problem to initiate talks before for the Oslo accords, but it is now?

What you have is Obama pandering not only to terrorism violence from the Palestinians. Thinking wrongly he will win over Muslims into stop hating the US. Negating that when the US and many EU countries stepped in and helped stopped the genocide of Muslims in Bosnia. That it matters little to those who's goal is the Islamification of the world and the biggest obstacle at present is the US to this for the extremists. The rhetoric of hate is against democracy itself by the Salafists. Plus the fact the Palestinians have on countless occasions thwarted the chance to have a Palestinian state themselves countless times.




Lastly I will deal with the usual poor and unjustified claim of Lebensraum.

Israel's Arab population has continually grown and they enjoy more rights than any other Arab state.

Israel has given up land for peace






What did the US doing on its creation as a nation?




Lets look at the history here and see an actual comparisons to Lebensraum, as since then all the land has been taken by the US.



Because a significant number of Indians consistently rebuffed demands that they cede their lands and because Americans were determined to acquire them anyway, the United States constantly pursued war against Indians. Indeed, America was born fighting Indians. In the early phases of the Revolutionary War most Indian nations allied with Great Britain in large measure because they saw a new settler nation as an unprecedented threat to their lands.

After 1815, the United States intensified its efforts to expand. To do so, it adopted a policy, formally institutionalized through the Indian Removal Act of 1830, of moving all Indians living east of the Mississippi River to Indian Territory (the modern states of Kansas and Oklahoma). As measured by lives lost, Indian removal was far more destructive than the earlier period of war. Consider the three largest Indian nations east of the Mississippi, the Choctaws, Creeks, and Cherokees, each with approximately 20,000 people. During the removal process in the 1830s, approximately 2,000 Choctaws, 4,500 Creeks, and 5,000 Cherokees perished, mostly from intersecting factors of disease, starvation, exposure, and demoralization. Many hundreds died during the journey west, though the “trail of tears” metaphor obscures the fact that the majority of deaths occurred in internment camps while awaiting transportation west and in the first few years after relocation. The death toll for all three nations—close to 20 percent—is equivalent to 60 million for the current U.S. population. Smaller nations north of the Ohio also suffered significant losses through removal. A reported forty-three Potawatomis in a group of eight hundred died as they traveled from Indiana to Kansas, while sixty Wyandots, mostly young children, in a group of seven hundred died from disease shortly after their arrival in the West.

http://americanhistory.oxfordre.com/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780199329175.001.0001/acrefore-9780199329175-e-3


So I take it you do understand the double standard you are applying based off US history and that you are from California?

Lets compare Israel to the US in landmass



And to top it off the US itself occupies people and this is what it says to the UN

Among the annual UN demands of the US concerning Guam is:

Called once again upon the administering Power to take into consideration the expressed will of the Chamorro people as supported by Guam voters in the referendum of 1987 and as subsequently provided for in Guam law regarding Chamorro self-determination  efforts, encouraged the administering Power and the territorial Government to enter into negotiations on the matter, and stressed the need for continued close monitoring of the overall situation in the Territory;


Here is how the US responds to the UN demands for self-determination in Guam:

In a letter dated 2 November 2006 addressed to the delegate of American Samoa to the United States House of Representatives, the Assistant Secretary of State for Legislative Affairs elaborated on the position of the Government of the United States. He indicated that the status of the insular areas regarding their political relations with the federal Government was an internal United States issue, and not one that came within the purview of the Special Committee on the Situation with regard to the Implementation of the Declaration on the Granting of Independence to Colonial Countries and Peoples. He also noted that the Special Committee had no authority to alter in any way the relationship between the United States and those territories and had no mandate to engage the United States in negotiations on their status.


In other words, when the UN wants to help the residents of Guam to achieve self-determination, the US tells the UN to go to hell.

No protests, no BDS.. The US can act with impunity towards the residents of Guam and keep the island as a colony despite UN attempts to work towards more independence.


And on a final note.



According to the EUMC,
Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities. In addition, such manifestations could also target the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity. Antisemitism frequently charges Jews with conspiring to harm humanity, and it is often used to blame Jews for ‘why things go wrong’.
The EUMC then goes on to cite specific examples of antisemitism including:

  • Calling for, aiding, or justifying the killing or harming of Jews in the name of a radical ideology or an extremist view of religion.




  • Making mendacious, dehumanizing, demonizing, or stereotypical allegations about Jews as such or the power of Jews as collective — such as, especially but not exclusively, the myth about a world Jewish conspiracy or of Jews controlling the media, economy, government or other societal institutions.




  • Accusing Jews as a people of being responsible for real or imagined wrongdoing committed by a single Jewish person or group, or even for acts committed by non-Jews.




  • Denying the fact, scope, mechanisms (e.g. gas chambers) or intentionality of the genocide of the Jewish people at the hands of National Socialist Germany and its supporters and accomplices during World War II (the Holocaust).




  • Accusing the Jews as a people, or Israel as a state, of inventing or exaggerating the Holocaust.




  • Accusing Jewish citizens of being more loyal to Israel, or to the alleged priorities of Jews worldwide, than to the interests of their own nations.



Specifically with respect to Israel, taking into account the overall context, the EUMC gave the following examples:

  • Denying the Jewish people their right to self-determination, e.g., by claiming that the existence of a State of Israel is a racist endeavor.




  • Applying double standards by requiring of it a behavior not expected or demanded of any other democratic nation.




  • Using the symbols and images associated with classic antisemitism (e.g., claims of Jews killing Jesus or blood libel) to characterize Israel or Israelis.




  • Drawing comparisons of contemporary Israeli policy to that of the Nazis.




  • Holding Jews collectively responsible for actions of the state of Israel.

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Re: Trump Was Just Asked About Anti-Semitism In The US. His Answer Is Embarassing

Post by nicko on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:42 am

Can't argue with any of that Didge, could not have been put any plainer.
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Re: Trump Was Just Asked About Anti-Semitism In The US. His Answer Is Embarassing

Post by Guest on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:55 am

nicko wrote:Can't argue with any of that Didge, could not have been put any plainer.



Thanks Nicko. I get bored of the constant use of Nazi Policies wrongly being compared to Israel. Which is done solely to attempt to justify and normalize hating Israel. Even worse where Trump is rightly called out on his silence to antisemitism, then Quill invokes a form of antisemitism. If he wants to be critical of Israel policy, then fine, but it gets boring when people attempt poorly to promote hate through poor unfounded comparisons. Again especially where the US was expanded at the expense of the indigenous native Indians. What people ignore is that in area C (where the Israel settlements are) and has been for a long time, is only 4% of the Palestinian population, the majority are in areas A and B. Even then the Palestinians populations have grown and what also is also completely ignored is Israeli Arabs also live in these settlements. Does anyone call them illegal? 

No

I mean no where else in the world do you have a people classed as claimed to be Living illegally, than you do with Jews in Judea. The name Jew comes from the tribe and Kingdom of Judea. It would be like saying, the English, are living illegally in England. Or the Welsh in Scotland, or the Scottish in Scotland. The land is contested between the Palestinians and Israeli's, but one fact is clear. Its the Jews, who have the historical ties to the place, not the Palestinian Arabs. Judaism was formed and born in these lands. Islam was formed and born in the Arabian Peninsular, where the Arabs are indigenous to. The biggest ignored fact is the vast majority of Palestinian Arabs descend from recent immigration in the last 100 years and when Jordan moved many into the West Bank and Jerusalem, after ethnically cleansing the Jews there in 1948. It seems its right to condemn European colonialism, but Arab colonialism, to the entire Middle East is ignored.

Jews can never be classified as Colonialists. They would be Decolonialists, of those returning from in exile and expulsion from their former lands.

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