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An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Post by eddie on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:07 pm

It's long, but a good read:



An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Jeremy Nix is a Citizen Journalist who writes for the The Huffington Post. I recently came across a blog post from him that I thought many of you would like to read. I need to make it clear that this article does not reflect the views of Educate Inspire Change but nonetheless I think it is well written and feel that many of you – both Trump supports and haters will be able to take something useful from.


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I’m cool with you removing me from your friends list if you don’t like this post. You can even disown me if you like. But Donald Trump isn’t a good person, nor would he be a good president. I can understand a difference in politics. I can understand if you don’t like a government run by Democrats. I can understand if you don’t like certain ideologies, like Socialism. But I can’t understand why you would support someone as hateful, sexist, racist and ignorant as Donald Trump.

How do you support him so blindly? Ask yourself, are you a racist, sexist, hateful and ignorant person as well? I hear his supporters saying they like him because he tells the truth, because he’s so rich he can say whatever he feels like with no apologies. Just because Trump is saying these things doesn’t suddenly make them right. It’s not okay to discriminate against an entire religion based on a small percentage of its followers who have become terrorists by twisting the words of the religion to fit their crazy ideals. It’s not okay to marginalize an entire race of people, saying things like all the Mexicans are lazy, that they are all stealing our jobs and bringing drugs into our country.

White people also have bad apples. So does every race of people. We’re all human. Some humans are really bad people. Some are really good. And it doesn’t matter what color they are, it makes no difference whatsoever. Trump says he is just telling the truth. But whose truth? There are lazy people in every race and there are dangerous violent people in every race and every religion. Kicking all Muslims out of the country is not the answer, nor is it the acceptable behavior of a person in an extremely powerful position, like the President of the United States.

The Japanese Internment camps were wrong, Segregation was wrong, Slavery was wrong. We fought wars amongst ourselves to rise above racism and hatred. In WWII more than 60 million people died worldwide. Why? Because of twisted people who were whipping up the population into a frenzy and making ridiculous statements, killing innocent people simply because of their race or religion. The United States lost more than 400,000 lives fighting in that war, against the same ideas that Trump is pushing. The idea that certain religions are more dangerous than others and the idea that people should be judged based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

“They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now.”

We’re still healing from the damage inflicted by the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq and the War on Terror. And it isn’t just ISIS or Al-Qaeda. It’s our own people in this country killing their fellow countrymen over differences of opinion, like whether or not you believe abortion is okay or what kind of political ideology you support. And then there are just the plainly insane people who finally snap and go on shooting rampages for no discernible reason at all. They just went mad.


The kind of leadership Trump is displaying is irresponsible and dangerous. His virulent ideas are seeping into the brains of his supporters. Supporters who think it’s okay to say things like “light the mother@!$%#er on fire” while a protester is being dragged out of one of his rallies. Maybe the protester was wrong to be where he was at the time, but no matter what he did, there was no reason to set him on fire. In fact, there is NEVER a reason to set anyone on fire. Unless it’s because they are dead and they wish to be cremated.

Trump’s supporters are angry, and anger is infectious. I can tell you as a non-supporter of Trump I am just as angry. We need the kind of leader that seeks to bring us together, not tear us apart. Why do we have to fight against helping each other, against common sense, against a united Nation? The American Dream is a nightmare and we are feeding it, making it worse every day. Trump is a bully, a loud mouth, ignorant, sexist, racist, disgusting example of how horrible humans can potentially be.

He is the crazy person at your dinner table who won’t stop running his mouth. The only reason he is allowed to carry on with his ugly hateful rhetoric is because you have too much respect for Grandma to get into a fist fight in her home. He’s the guy you have to endure until he leaves, all the while hating every minute that you have to occupy the same space. Lucky for us, this isn’t Grandma’s house, so feel free to punch him in the mouth in the form of getting out and making your vote count.

They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now. Differences of political ideals are one thing, I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women or the judgment of others based on their appearance or their disability, or their sexual preference.

By supporting Trump do you think things will go back to the way they were? Back when gay people had to hide in fear, back when people of any other color than white had to worry about getting lynched, back when it was okay to openly hate? Do you think empowered women will suddenly quit their jobs and go back to the kitchen ? Because electing Trump won’t make any of that come true. We’re past that as a nation, or at least I thought we were.

“I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women…”

If you’re not a racist, bigoted, misogynistic jerk, then voting for Trump simply because you don’t like Democrats is wrong. If you are one of his supporters and you’re just a racist and you don’t care who knows it then vote for him, but know that the good people of America will not stand for it and he will never win a fair election. And please consider pursuing an education and work on your empathy toward your fellow human beings. Whatever led you to believe that racism is okay can be unlearned if you open your mind. I’m sorry that you were raised to believe that you deserve better treatment than the rest of the people on the planet that have different views than yours, worship different gods than you and have skin that isn’t white.

To all the people, of all the races and religions that Donald Trump stands against, to all the women that don’t meet his standards of beauty, to all the good Muslims, and Christians, Mormons and Catholics and Jewish, Italians, Irish and Asians, to the African-Americans and Native Americans, to anyone who has ever been persecuted, belittled, made to feel inferior or bullied based on ignorance like the kind that Trump is spewing, please, I implore you to get out and vote against him. Don’t let the progress of this great nation be halted. We’ve come too far.

In this country we FIGHT and DIE for freedom, for Truth and Justice. We fight for what’s right. And what Trump is doing and saying isn’t right. Some have attributed the following statement to Abraham Lincoln*:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed.”

And he couldn’t be more right. Trump IS the one percent, he IS working on your prejudices, and he WILL destroy the Republic if he is elected, make no doubt about it.

If you don’t believe me, just look at the level of crazy coming out of his own mouth:

“[I am] calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on” — Donald Trump. That’s religious discrimination.


“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud” — Donald Trump. That’s an outright lie.

“Arianna Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.” — Donald Trump. This is sexism, and just plain rude.

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of @!$%#.” – Donald Trump. This is misogyny at its finest.

“I will build a great wall — and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me — and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.” – Donald Trump. The words of an arrogant hate monger.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“Our great African-American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.” — Donald Trump. The words of an @!$%#.

“The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.” – Donald Trump. So Vain.

“It’s freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming!” – Donald Trump. Ignorant.

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.” – Donald Trump. Gross.

“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are beautiful.” – Donald Trump. Sexist. As if women are possessions rather than people. And also a lie. A lie about how honest he is.

How can you support this man?




*I am aware of the fact that snopes.com claims the Lincoln Capitalism Prophecy quote is false. It’s a quote that has been going around for more than a hundred years. The quote has also been attributed to a letter that Lincoln supposedly wrote to Col. William F. Elkins in 1864. Scholars have cited The Lincoln Encyclopedia: The Spoken and Written Words of A. Lincoln Arranged for Ready Reference by Archer H. Shaw. Snopes still claims the letter referred to in this encyclopedia is a fraud, forged by Emanuel Hertz in his book Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait. So in the interest of full disclosure, these may or may not have been Lincoln’s words. Whether they were written by Hertz or Lincoln, they were still written and they still pertain to the point I was trying to make. Income inequality is a serious issue in this country, and Donald Trump is working on the prejudices of the people.



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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:23 pm

It is becoming increasing difficult to find even 1 valid reason for supporting Trump. I just wish he wore a waistcoat with a bullseye on it.

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:30 pm

Why would you unfriend anyone or disown them because of who they support though?

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Post by eddie on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:49 pm

Syl wrote:Why would you unfriend anyone or disown them because of who they support though?

Because you're judgemental, narrow-minded and think you're right?

But really, birds of a feather and all that. I mean, I don't have any friends who are racists or belong to the EDL, for example?

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:54 pm

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Why would you unfriend anyone or disown them because of who they support though?

Because you're judgemental, narrow-minded and think you're right?

But really, birds of a feather and all that. I mean, I don't have any friends who are racists or belong to the EDL, for example?

Good point.

I think Thatcher divided the UK and split people into two groups....probably like Trump is doing in America.
I suppose if you see your community collapsing, like many of the miners did back in Thatchers day, it would be hard to remain friendly with someone who supported her.

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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:57 pm

I was unfriended on FB by someone who was once a reasonable friend, but who become increasingly xenophobic and downright racist as he got older. In the end his language to other races and couloured people was beyond reason. W*gs, co@ns and nig$ers were the nicest thing he said. 
I miss him not an iota.
What I and others who know him ( but no longer as friends) cannot work out is what happened to him, why such a radical change?

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:59 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I was unfriended on FB by someone who was once a reasonable friend, but who become increasingly xenophobic and downright racist as he got older. In the end his language to other races and couloured people was beyond reason. W*gs, co@ns and nig$ers were the nicest thing he said. 
I miss him not an iota.
What I and others who know him ( but no longer as friends) cannot work out is what happened to him, why such a radical change?

Dementia can change a persons personality drastically....maybe he was suffering from that?

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Post by eddie on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:03 pm

Angry Andy wrote:I was unfriended on FB by someone who was once a reasonable friend, but who become increasingly xenophobic and downright racist as he got older. In the end his language to other races and couloured people was beyond reason. W*gs, co@ns and nig$ers were the nicest thing he said. 
I miss him not an iota.
What I and others who know him ( but no longer as friends) cannot work out is what happened to him, why such a radical change?

I had to unfriend my friends husband on FB as he was really racist about Muslims. I argued with him endlessly and so I just got rid of him. He actually 'liked' a comment that said "Muslims...kill them all"
What a vile bastard.

Know what was weird though? He got a job in his local school which has a huge percentage of Muslim students!!! I was gobsmacked.
He had deleted all his previous FB posts though. Vile and a coward.

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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 8:25 pm

Syl wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:I was unfriended on FB by someone who was once a reasonable friend, but who become increasingly xenophobic and downright racist as he got older. In the end his language to other races and couloured people was beyond reason. W*gs, co@ns and nig$ers were the nicest thing he said. 
I miss him not an iota.
What I and others who know him ( but no longer as friends) cannot work out is what happened to him, why such a radical change?

Dementia can change a persons personality drastically....maybe he was suffering from that?
No. He started changing his attitude in his lste 30's. Whether he got in with the wrong crowd I dont know. Apparently hes a real bastard now. An out and out racist in the Alf Garnett/BernardManning mould. His wife left him as well. He is alone as far as I know.
Serves him right.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:21 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Because you're judgemental, narrow-minded and think you're right?

But really, birds of a feather and all that. I mean, I don't have any friends who are racists or belong to the EDL, for example?

Good point.

I think Thatcher divided the UK and split people into two groups....probably like Trump is doing  in America.
I suppose if you see your community collapsing, like many of the miners did back in Thatchers day, it would be hard to remain friendly with someone who supported her.


Joining the EEC/eu in 1973 was about trade of coal and steel., and that was when the big change happened that meant it was cheaper to import coal than dig it out of the ground ourselves... and labour closed more coal mines than tory did under Thatcher...


I was a child in the 70's... but I remember the power cuts and the getting the candles out... and the strikes etc... and during my teen years in the 80's I remember a period of constant strikes by the leftie teachers 2-3 days a week which fucked up many kids educations as well as forcing parents to take time off work to look after us and losing well needed wages... while the teachers claimed they were striking for our best interests...!


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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:50 am

I've tried to wrap my head around the phenomenon of seemingly-decent people supporting Trump a LOT. It's really tough. I keep picking at this one thing that you've heard so many of them say variations of:

"The media always is taking Trump literally. It never takes him seriously… I think a lot of the voters who vote for Trump take Trump seriously, but not literally.” - Trump supporter Peter Thiel

“I guess I thought that, you know, he would not do this, he would not take health insurance away knowing it would affect so many peoples lives.” - Debbie Mills, an Obamacare enrollee who supported Trump

I don't know what it is that makes voters disregard campaign promises made by the candidate they're voting for that will clearly do them personal harm, but there it is.

Also, if you search the Internet for "Trumpgrets," you'll find lots of people who seem to think that Trump was going to change once he got into the White House.



Again, I don't understand this expecting someone who's acting like an immature asshole to become statesmanlike once he wins.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Feb 16, 2017 7:02 am

The guy didn't actually say that people had unfriended or disowned him, he said they could if they wanted to. Anyway, people on Facebook or other social media aren't necessarily friends are they?

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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:25 am

It's childish anyway writing such a letter - people have a right to vote for who they want , why let it ruin friendships .

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eddie wrote:It's long, but a good read:



An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Jeremy Nix is a Citizen Journalist who writes for the The Huffington Post. I recently came across a blog post from him that I thought many of you would like to read. I need to make it clear that this article does not reflect the views of Educate Inspire Change but nonetheless I think it is well written and feel that many of you – both Trump supports and haters will be able to take something useful from.


Follow Jeremy Nix on Twitter: www.twitter.com/thejeremynix

I’m cool with you removing me from your friends list if you don’t like this post. You can even disown me if you like. But Donald Trump isn’t a good person, nor would he be a good president. I can understand a difference in politics. I can understand if you don’t like a government run by Democrats. I can understand if you don’t like certain ideologies, like Socialism. But I can’t understand why you would support someone as hateful, sexist, racist and ignorant as Donald Trump.

How do you support him so blindly? Ask yourself, are you a racist, sexist, hateful and ignorant person as well? I hear his supporters saying they like him because he tells the truth, because he’s so rich he can say whatever he feels like with no apologies. Just because Trump is saying these things doesn’t suddenly make them right. It’s not okay to discriminate against an entire religion based on a small percentage of its followers who have become terrorists by twisting the words of the religion to fit their crazy ideals. It’s not okay to marginalize an entire race of people, saying things like all the Mexicans are lazy, that they are all stealing our jobs and bringing drugs into our country.

White people also have bad apples. So does every race of people. We’re all human. Some humans are really bad people. Some are really good. And it doesn’t matter what color they are, it makes no difference whatsoever. Trump says he is just telling the truth. But whose truth? There are lazy people in every race and there are dangerous violent people in every race and every religion. Kicking all Muslims out of the country is not the answer, nor is it the acceptable behavior of a person in an extremely powerful position, like the President of the United States.

The Japanese Internment camps were wrong, Segregation was wrong, Slavery was wrong. We fought wars amongst ourselves to rise above racism and hatred. In WWII more than 60 million people died worldwide. Why? Because of twisted people who were whipping up the population into a frenzy and making ridiculous statements, killing innocent people simply because of their race or religion. The United States lost more than 400,000 lives fighting in that war, against the same ideas that Trump is pushing. The idea that certain religions are more dangerous than others and the idea that people should be judged based on the color of their skin rather than the content of their character.

“They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now.”

We’re still healing from the damage inflicted by the Civil War, WWI, WWII, Vietnam, Iraq and the War on Terror. And it isn’t just ISIS or Al-Qaeda. It’s our own people in this country killing their fellow countrymen over differences of opinion, like whether or not you believe abortion is okay or what kind of political ideology you support. And then there are just the plainly insane people who finally snap and go on shooting rampages for no discernible reason at all. They just went mad.


The kind of leadership Trump is displaying is irresponsible and dangerous. His virulent ideas are seeping into the brains of his supporters. Supporters who think it’s okay to say things like “light the mother@!$%#er on fire” while a protester is being dragged out of one of his rallies. Maybe the protester was wrong to be where he was at the time, but no matter what he did, there was no reason to set him on fire. In fact, there is NEVER a reason to set anyone on fire. Unless it’s because they are dead and they wish to be cremated.

Trump’s supporters are angry, and anger is infectious. I can tell you as a non-supporter of Trump I am just as angry. We need the kind of leader that seeks to bring us together, not tear us apart. Why do we have to fight against helping each other, against common sense, against a united Nation? The American Dream is a nightmare and we are feeding it, making it worse every day. Trump is a bully, a loud mouth, ignorant, sexist, racist, disgusting example of how horrible humans can potentially be.

He is the crazy person at your dinner table who won’t stop running his mouth. The only reason he is allowed to carry on with his ugly hateful rhetoric is because you have too much respect for Grandma to get into a fist fight in her home. He’s the guy you have to endure until he leaves, all the while hating every minute that you have to occupy the same space. Lucky for us, this isn’t Grandma’s house, so feel free to punch him in the mouth in the form of getting out and making your vote count.

They always say it’s so important to make your voice heard, to get out and vote. But I’m not sure if it’s ever been more important than now. Differences of political ideals are one thing, I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women or the judgment of others based on their appearance or their disability, or their sexual preference.

By supporting Trump do you think things will go back to the way they were? Back when gay people had to hide in fear, back when people of any other color than white had to worry about getting lynched, back when it was okay to openly hate? Do you think empowered women will suddenly quit their jobs and go back to the kitchen ? Because electing Trump won’t make any of that come true. We’re past that as a nation, or at least I thought we were.

“I can agree to disagree on many matters across a wide array of topics, but racism isn’t one of them, neither is hate, neither is the belittling of women…”

If you’re not a racist, bigoted, misogynistic jerk, then voting for Trump simply because you don’t like Democrats is wrong. If you are one of his supporters and you’re just a racist and you don’t care who knows it then vote for him, but know that the good people of America will not stand for it and he will never win a fair election. And please consider pursuing an education and work on your empathy toward your fellow human beings. Whatever led you to believe that racism is okay can be unlearned if you open your mind. I’m sorry that you were raised to believe that you deserve better treatment than the rest of the people on the planet that have different views than yours, worship different gods than you and have skin that isn’t white.

To all the people, of all the races and religions that Donald Trump stands against, to all the women that don’t meet his standards of beauty, to all the good Muslims, and Christians, Mormons and Catholics and Jewish, Italians, Irish and Asians, to the African-Americans and Native Americans, to anyone who has ever been persecuted, belittled, made to feel inferior or bullied based on ignorance like the kind that Trump is spewing, please, I implore you to get out and vote against him. Don’t let the progress of this great nation be halted. We’ve come too far.

In this country we FIGHT and DIE for freedom, for Truth and Justice. We fight for what’s right. And what Trump is doing and saying isn’t right. Some have attributed the following statement to Abraham Lincoln*:

“I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and cause me to tremble for safety of my country; corporations have been enthroned, an era of corruption in High Places will follow, and the Money Power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the People, until the wealth is aggregated in a few hands, and the Republic destroyed.”

And he couldn’t be more right. Trump IS the one percent, he IS working on your prejudices, and he WILL destroy the Republic if he is elected, make no doubt about it.

If you don’t believe me, just look at the level of crazy coming out of his own mouth:

“[I am] calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country’s representatives can figure out what is going on” — Donald Trump. That’s religious discrimination.


“An ‘extremely credible source’ has called my office and told me that Barack Obama’s birth certificate is a fraud” — Donald Trump. That’s an outright lie.

“Arianna Huffington is unattractive, both inside and out. I fully understand why her former husband left her for a man – he made a good decision.” — Donald Trump. This is sexism, and just plain rude.

“You know, it really doesn’t matter what the media write as long as you’ve got a young, and beautiful, piece of @!$%#.” – Donald Trump. This is misogyny at its finest.

“I will build a great wall — and nobody builds walls better than me, believe me — and I’ll build them very inexpensively. I will build a great, great wall on our southern border, and I will make Mexico pay for that wall. Mark my words.” – Donald Trump. The words of an arrogant hate monger.

“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending the best. They’re not sending you, they’re sending people that have lots of problems and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists… And some, I assume, are good people.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“Our great African-American President hasn’t exactly had a positive impact on the thugs who are so happily and openly destroying Baltimore.” — Donald Trump. Racist.

“If I were running ‘The View’, I’d fire Rosie O’Donnell. I mean, I’d look at her right in that fat, ugly face of hers, I’d say ‘Rosie, you’re fired.” — Donald Trump. The words of an @!$%#.

“The beauty of me is that I’m very rich.” – Donald Trump. So Vain.

“It’s freezing and snowing in New York – we need global warming!” – Donald Trump. Ignorant.

“My fingers are long and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other parts of my body.” – Donald Trump. Gross.

“I think the only difference between me and the other candidates is that I’m more honest and my women are beautiful.” – Donald Trump. Sexist. As if women are possessions rather than people. And also a lie. A lie about how honest he is.

How can you support this man?




*I am aware of the fact that snopes.com claims the Lincoln Capitalism Prophecy quote is false. It’s a quote that has been going around for more than a hundred years. The quote has also been attributed to a letter that Lincoln supposedly wrote to Col. William F. Elkins in 1864. Scholars have cited The Lincoln Encyclopedia: The Spoken and Written Words of A. Lincoln Arranged for Ready Reference by Archer H. Shaw. Snopes still claims the letter referred to in this encyclopedia is a fraud, forged by Emanuel Hertz in his book Abraham Lincoln: A New Portrait. So in the interest of full disclosure, these may or may not have been Lincoln’s words. Whether they were written by Hertz or Lincoln, they were still written and they still pertain to the point I was trying to make. Income inequality is a serious issue in this country, and Donald Trump is working on the prejudices of the people.



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Post by Syl on Thu Feb 16, 2017 12:49 pm

I sort of agree that if anyone can see Trump as a decent human being they must have very different values to me, you, or the billions of others who think he is vile.
Where would it stop though if you judge people for who they vote for?
Thatcher?? I knew people who supported her when she seemed to be dividing the country up and ruining generations old communities.
What about religion? peoples beliefs vary so much, would you abandon anyone who believed in religious views the polar opposite to your own.

Does washing your hands of someone because they hold political views opposed to yours, just not create more divide in the world?

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:19 pm

eddie wrote:
Angry Andy wrote:
I was unfriended on FB by someone who was once a reasonable friend, but who become increasingly xenophobic and downright racist as he got older. In the end his language to other races and couloured people was beyond reason. W*gs, co@ns and nig$ers were the nicest thing he said. 
I miss him not an iota.
What I and others who know him ( but no longer as friends) cannot work out is what happened to him, why such a radical change?


I had to unfriend my friends husband on FB as he was really racist about Muslims. I argued with him endlessly and so I just got rid of him. He actually 'liked' a comment that said "Muslims...kill them  all"
What a vile bastard.

Know what was weird though? He got a job in his local school which has a huge percentage of Muslim students!!! I was gobsmacked.
He had deleted all his previous FB posts though. Vile and a coward.

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I'VE had a couple of former friends who had a similar mindset, social values, empathy and the likes, to me and our (then) social circle,  who would change jobs and neighbourhoods, and when you meet up again a year or two later they have done a complete 180 --  become the complete opposite of what they were before...

Such people seem to be easily influenced by their current social settings --  and will often be quite flexible and willing to accommodate more obnoxious agendas --  which also highlights their total lack of conviction to any philosophical or,political viewpoints..

Following pretty much the same tone as some of the comments from eddie, Andy and sassy, above there --  life is too short to worry about some (ex-)friends' decisions to radically change their social values/politics/spiritual leanings/philosophies,  especially when there are so many bigger problems facing this planet.

Much easier to distance oneself from such dissidents, rather than attempting to push water uphill..
Unlike your relatives and workmates, You can choose which 'friends' you wish to associate with...


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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 16, 2017 8:44 pm

It's almost impossible to have any sort of sensible political discussion with anyone who bleats about 'dividing the nation' etc when someone they don't like gets elected... but never seem to think that the same must also apply when someone they like gets elected, but with huge numbers of the electorate not supporting them, not voting for them and not at all happy about it...!!!


Every election here in uk you could spin it as there being more people not voting for the 'winner' than for them...

For example...

The crybaby spin waffle goes something like this...

"Torys may have 'won the election' but only got 36% of the votes so that means vast majority of country, 64% of voters, didn't vote for/support/want them as govt, so as most people voted against them and are not happy with the result then this has just 'divided the country' and they don't deserve to be in govt etc... "


But why don't we hear the same idiots making the same arguments when labour win an election with 36% of vote and become govt...!!!???


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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:42 pm

Who gave Wolfie a green?--------and why?
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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:29 pm

nicko wrote:Who gave Wolfie a green?--------and why?

Oh come on nicko! He made a post that was on topic and had some good points without the insults you dislike so much...so what's the problem now?? scratch

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:40 am

Because Eddie THEY lick each others arses no matter what they post.
Havent you noticed? I got a red for pointing it out, I must have touched a nerve !
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:10 am

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Because Eddie THEY lick each others arses no matter what they post.
Havent you noticed?   I got a red for pointing it out,  I must have touched a nerve !

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You're definitely, and well OTT, got to be joking there,  nicko...

You, Tommy, Ragg's,  Nems and company, and the late and unlamented Stormee, are far-and-away the worse offenders of such 'arse licking' back slapping on here --  no moderates or lefties on here come even close --  just look at your constant support of Tommy's racist crappola..

Better check those med's nicko --  you're definitely losing touch with reality somewhere there !

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:42 am

Your talking absolute crap and you know it, trying to butter up your left wing friends is quite obvious. I agree with Tommy when I think he's right, is their a law against it? To say Raggs, Nems and company are the worst offenders proves that you'v really lost it.
To say that i'm racist when I have a black Grandaughter and Grandchildren who I love is unforgivable. You'v never stood up for us who have been insulted by your overseas friends so fuck you !

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:49 am

Just for the record: I think Wolfie deserved the green as it was a good post and I dint think nicko is racist and he adores his family..,,.

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:28 am

TOO LATE !
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:35 pm

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Your talking absolute crap and you know it,  trying to butter up your left wing friends is quite obvious.   I agree with Tommy when I think he's right,   is their a law against it?  To say Raggs, Nems and company are the worst offenders proves that you'v really lost it.

To say that i'm racist when I have a black Grandaughter and Grandchildren who I love is unforgivable. You'v never stood up for us who have been insulted by your overseas friends so fuck you !


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Stop being such an arsehole, and constantly trying to put words into other people's mouths,  nicko --  and claiming that I wrote something that I didn't..


I didn't say that you are a racist --  I said that you support the racists on here...

Which you DO everytime you agree with a racist or xenophobic comment from the likes of Tommy, Stormee or DYKface..


And if it isn't  you lot giving those green swipes to Tommy's (and the late Stormee's) racist and fascist rants,  than who is it ?   It's certainly not me, veya or Quill --  the only genuine "lefties" who are on here most days of the week..         scratch

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:43 pm

Everything is racists and xenophobic to wolfie.  And he's white.  Go figure.


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 3:58 pm

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Everything is racists and xenophobic to wolfie.  And he's white.  Go figure.

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Not everything is "racist and xenophobic",   you arrogant and clueless little N/I/Twit...

I only apply those labels to racist items  and people..
You post a racist item,  you may receive a racist label.

Secondly,  how do you know if I'm "white", black or brindled --  as you have never seen a photo of me, to judge that notion from  ?
Where do you get your false assumptions from,  as you certainly make enough of them  ???

I know that you're relatively new here,  Comrade NITsky, and have often shown pretty poor observational and comprehensive skills, as well  --  so, I will give you a break and tell you something just this once  --  one of my great-grandfathers was Aboriginal --  making me of 'mixed race'..           afro          We're not all "whitebread honkies" like you on here, you inbred dunderkopf..

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 4:37 pm

nicko wrote:Your talking absolute crap and you know it,  trying to butter up your left wing friends is quite obvious.   I agree with Tommy when I think he's right,   is their a law against it?  To say Raggs, Nems and company are the worst offenders proves that you'v really lost it.
To say that i'm racist when I have a black Grandaughter and Grandchildren who I love is unforgivable. You'v never stood up for us who have been insulted by your overseas friends so fuck you !


Nicko I did not write the post you're replying to - you need to read back.
You have started a thread about me on another forum absolutely lambasting me for something I didn't say.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:32 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Because Eddie THEY lick each others arses no matter what they post.
Havent you noticed?   I got a red for pointing it out,  I must have touched a nerve !

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You're definitely, and well OTT, got to be joking there,  nicko...

You, Tommy, Ragg's,  Nems and company, and the late and unlamented Stormee, are far-and-away the worse offenders of such 'arse licking' back slapping on here --  no moderates or lefties on here come even close --  just look at your constant support of Tommy's racist crappola..

Better check those med's nicko --  you're definitely losing touch with reality somewhere there !

You must be kidding. You're up Veya's arse at every opportunity, tag teaming and sucking up like a Dyson.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:35 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Everything is racists and xenophobic to wolfie.  And he's white.  Go figure.

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Idea         First off...
Not everything is "racist and xenophobic",   you arrogant and clueless little N/I/Twit...

I only apply those labels to racist items  and people..
You post a racist item,  you may receive a racist label.

Secondly,  how do you know if I'm "white", black or brindled --  as you have never seen a photo of me, to judge that notion from  ?
Where do you get your false assumptions from,  as you certainly make enough of them  ???

I know that you're relatively new here,  Comrade NITsky, and have often shown pretty poor observational and comprehensive skills, as well  --  so, I will give you a break and tell you something just this once  --  one of my great-grandfathers was Aboriginal --  making me of 'mixed race'..           afro          We're not all "whitebread honkies" like you on here, you inbred dunderkopf..

All of one eighth Aboriginal. Wow.

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:53 pm

Eddie, please accept my sincere apology, I got you mixed up with Wolfie's post, it's an age thing you know ! Embarassed Embarassed Embarassed
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Post by Jules on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:23 pm

Meet one of Donald's in laws. Holocaust survivor.

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Post by Jules on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:30 pm

Meet mum. Who had to lie about her immigration status on a national census form




Funny how, once some families have clawed their way up the ladder of survival and reached the top, they promptly kick it away, to stop others using it. elephant
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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:46 am

Good post Jules. Green from me.

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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
Because Eddie THEY lick each others arses no matter what they post.
Havent you noticed?   I got a red for pointing it out,  I must have touched a nerve !

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You're definitely, and well OTT, got to be joking there,  nicko...

You, Tommy, Ragg's,  Nems and company, and the late and unlamented Stormee, are far-and-away the worse offenders of such 'arse licking' back slapping on here --  no moderates or lefties on here come even close --  just look at your constant support of Tommy's racist crappola..

Better check those med's nicko --  you're definitely losing touch with reality somewhere there !

You must be kidding. You're up Veya's arse at every opportunity, tag teaming and sucking up like a Dyson.

LOL

I didn't even comment in this thread so Show how full of shit you are and a hypocrite since YOU are one of the worst tag teamers out

Both you and nicko need to STOP with the forum war nonsense. if you cant contribute anything then fuck off

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 19, 2017 10:44 pm

cyclops

RAGGAMUFFIN'S true nature shows out in that total bullshit post of hers...

Whenever any of that r/w mob find that they're painting themselves into a corner, with all of their gang behaviour, attempted bullying and extremist rhetoric, they start shouting their innane and nonsensical insults back at their opponents :  "tag teaming, 'racist', 'troll', 'spam', 'liar', whining, big babies, bullies, etc. .."

Labels that really belong on them --  and not on any of the left-wingers and 'moderates' on here.  Pathetic bunch of whinging losers that those r/w/alt.right types really are..         pirat

(To see who the true "tag teamers" are on NewsFix, all anyone needs do is put Ragg's, nicko, Tommy, horatio, Sly, DYK, and maybe I/T, on their 'foes' list --  and then look at their posting patterns on threads like this !).

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:14 pm

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

You must be kidding. You're up Veya's arse at every opportunity, tag teaming and sucking up like a Dyson.

LOL

I didn't even comment in this thread so Show how full of shit you are and a hypocrite since YOU are one of the worst tag teamers out

Both you and nicko need to STOP with the forum war nonsense. if you cant contribute anything then fuck off

What do you contribute exactly other than banging on and on about "hill shepherds" or how you hate Brits/English people? Wolfman hangs onto you like a limpet, and he's the one who keeps starting arguments - going on and on about other posters all the time. If you had paid attention, you'd see that he started on me when I hadn't even mentioned him.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:15 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:cyclops

RAGGAMUFFIN'S true nature shows out in that total bullshit post of hers...

Whenever any of that r/w mob find that they're painting themselves into a corner, with all of their gang behaviour, attempted bullying and extremist rhetoric, they start shouting their innane and nonsensical insults back at their opponents :  "tag teaming, 'racist', 'troll', 'spam', 'liar', whining, big babies, bullies, etc. .."

Labels that really belong on them --  and not on any of the left-wingers and 'moderates' on here.  Pathetic bunch of whinging losers that those r/w/alt.right types really are..         pirat

(To see who the true "tag teamers" are on NewsFix, all anyone needs do is put Ragg's, nicko, Tommy, horatio, Sly, DYK, and maybe I/T, on their 'foes' list --  and then look at their posting patterns on threads like this !).

Grow a spine and stop hiding behind Veya. Whenever he posts, there are you right behind him sucking up to him. Stand on your own two feet.

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Post by nicko on Mon Feb 20, 2017 7:24 pm

What a prick you are wolfie you "shout you gob off in every post"

Why do you insist on calling posters who disagree with you stupid insulting names? you come across as a little boy who gets a thrill answering back the adults. I think you should grow up a bit. you come across as a typical "Keyboard Warrior" ! Now have a go at me, and prove it !!
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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:07 pm

The gang is growing and restlessly milling about, Wolf. Oh well...

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Original Quill wrote:The gang is growing and restlessly milling about, Wolf.  Oh well...

You need to pay attention as well. Wolfman started on me, as he often does - along with him banging on about other members all the time. Do you expect them not to reply?

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:19 pm

Original Quill wrote:The gang is growing and restlessly milling about, Wolf.  Oh well...

Quill....do you ever actually look at threads in a fair and detached manner?

If someone chooses to name whole blocks of posters in their frequent dribblings, do you not think those named have a right (if they can be arsed) to reply without further being tag teamed by your good self?

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:20 pm

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Original Quill wrote:The gang is growing and restlessly milling about, Wolf.  Oh well...

You need to pay attention as well. Wolfman started on me, as he often does - along with him banging on about other members all the time. Do you expect them not to reply?

We're getting off-topic. This isn't about Wolf.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:23 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

You need to pay attention as well. Wolfman started on me, as he often does - along with him banging on about other members all the time. Do you expect them not to reply?

We're getting off-topic.  This isn't about Wolf.  

It wasn't about me either, but that didn't stop Wolfman having a go at me for no reason, and it didn't stop you making a post which is nothing to do with the topic. This is what you always do - say something off topic, and then complain when someone else replies.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:28 pm

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Original Quill wrote:

We're getting off-topic.  This isn't about Wolf.  

It wasn't about me either, but that didn't stop Wolfman having a go at me for no reason, and it didn't stop you making a post which is nothing to do with the topic. This is what you always do - say something off topic, and then complain when someone else replies.

Usually, my off-topic comments are in response to someone who is already off-message, solely in order to get back to the subject.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:30 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

It wasn't about me either, but that didn't stop Wolfman having a go at me for no reason, and it didn't stop you making a post which is nothing to do with the topic. This is what you always do - say something off topic, and then complain when someone else replies.

Usually, my off-topic comments are in response to someone who is already off-message, solely in order to get back to the subject.  

Not this time. Your post was designed to stir up trouble by implying that Wolfman did not start an argument, and you inserted your beak into something that was nothing to do with you.

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Re: An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Usually, my off-topic comments are in response to someone who is already off-message, solely in order to get back to the subject.  

Not this time. Your post was designed to stir up trouble by implying that Wolfman did not start an argument, and you inserted your beak into something that was nothing to do with you.

I don't think so. I find it tedious when these little tiffs break out. Get back on topic.

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Re: An Open Letter to My Friends Who Support Donald Trump

Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:34 pm

Original Quill wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Not this time. Your post was designed to stir up trouble by implying that Wolfman did not start an argument, and you inserted your beak into something that was nothing to do with you.

I don't think so.  I find it tedious when these little tiffs break out.  Get back on topic.

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 20, 2017 8:34 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:

Not this time. Your post was designed to stir up trouble by implying that Wolfman did not start an argument, and you inserted your beak into something that was nothing to do with you.

I don't think so.  I find it tedious when these little tiffs break out.  Get back on topic.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 20, 2017 9:55 pm

Anyone, that has posted about anything other than the topic, is off-fucking-topic.
Including me.

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