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Post by Ben Mothafuckin' Reilly on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:24 pm

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I was surprised by this, because it certainly feels like a lot has been going on. But this (admittedly long) examination sifting fact from the B.S. is pretty convincing:

Just weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, you would think that everything had changed. The uproar over the president’s tweets grows louder by the day, as does concern over the erratic, haphazard and aggressive stance of the White House toward critics and those with different policy views. On Sunday, White House aide Stephen Miller bragged, “We have a president who has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration.”

But Miller was dead wrong about this. There is a wide gap, a chasm even, between what the administration has said and what it has done. There have been 45 executive orders or presidential memoranda signed, which may seem like a lot but lags President Barack Obama’s pace. More crucially, with the notable exception of the travel ban, almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations. So far, Trump has behaved exactly like he has throughout his previous career: He has generated intense attention and sold himself as a man of action while doing little other than promote an image of himself as someone who gets things done.

It is the illusion of a presidency, not the real thing.

The key problem here is understanding Trump’s executive orders and presidential memoranda. Trump very quickly seized on the signing of these as media opportunities, and each new order and memo has been staged and announced as dramatic steps to alter the course of the country. Not accustomed to presidents whose words mean little when it comes to actual policy, opponents have seized on these as proof that Trump represents a malign force, while supporters have pointed to these as proof that Trump is actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

Neither is correct. The official documents have all the patina of “big deals” but when parsed and examined turn out to be far, far less than they appear. Take the order authorizing the construction of a border wall between the United States and Mexico. The relevant section of the January 25 order read: “It is the policy of the executive branch to … secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border, monitored and supported by adequate personnel so as to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism.” That sounds indeed like an order to fulfill a controversial campaign promise. The problem? Congress initially passed a Secure Fence Act in 2006 that required the construction of nearly 700 miles of fortified border. By 2011, under the Obama administration, most of that was completed, with a mix of pedestrian fencing and vehicle fortifications. Since then, there has only been minimal funding for further fortifications.

The result is that Trump issued an executive order mandating something that has in many respects already been done—with no congressional funding yet to redo the current fortified border with a larger, more expensive structure. The president does not have the budgetary discretion to build such a wall, and it remains to be seen whether Congress will authorize what promises to be a controversial and redundant project. This executive order, therefore, changes nothing, and only mandates something that has already been mandated, already been constructed and that the president lacks the spending authority to upgrade.

Then take things like the Keystone pipeline permits, the promise to deregulate and the most recently signed orders about crime. The January 24 order on infrastructure begins with a sentiment almost anyone could agree with: “Infrastructure investment strengthens our economic platform, makes America more competitive, creates millions of jobs, increases wages for American workers, and reduces the costs of goods and services for American families and consumers. Too often, infrastructure projects in the United States have been routinely and excessively delayed by agency processes and procedures.” It then declares that the policy of the Executive Branch is to expedite the permitting of such projects. That was followed by two memoranda on the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines that had been denied permits during Obama’s tenure, which urges the companies to re-submit their permit applications for review.

That might seem like an order to have the pipelines built. But Keystone remains almost entirely an idea, and oil shipments and infrastructure from Canada have long since been routed elsewhere given the years and years of delay in ever authorizing it. The Dakota Access Pipeline is largely complete, with a major dispute over its passage through tribal lands, and here too, it is unlikely that a presidential memorandum has any legal bearing on how that issue is resolved given that it lies within the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers and cannot simply be countermanded by the White House.

Or take the orders of deregulation. Those were widely hailed as a rollback of Dodd-Frank, especially given that the morning that the order was issued, February 3, Trump met with bank CEOs and expressed his dislike for many of the legislation’s provisions. The actual order, however, delivers much less than it promises, merely directing the secretary of the Treasury to review existing regulations and report back on which ones might be refined to achieve better outcomes.

Or the crime orders signed on February 9, which were widely hailed as cracking down on “transnational criminal organizations” and “preventing violence against … law enforcement officers.” Nothing in the text of these orders is either objectionable or in any respect a departure from current law and policy. One order states plainly that it shall be the policy of the administration to “enforce all Federal laws in order to enhance the protection and safety of Federal, State, tribal, and local law enforcement officers, and thereby all Americans.” The other says that the administration will seek to use existing laws to crack down on trafficking. You would have known none of that from the headlines both supporting and denouncing the efforts. Breitbart claimed “Trump Signs Three Executive Orders to Restore Safety in America” while many took these orders as a sign that police will have new, expanded powers and protections. In truth, the orders changed the status quo not one whit.

On it goes: The recent crackdown on undocumented immigrants that followed Trump’s January 25 order on enforcement priorities may depart from Barack Obama’s post-2102 policies to de-emphasize deportation of undocumented immigrants who do not have criminal records, but it appears fully consistent with deportation actions during both Obama’s first term and during significant portions of George W. Bush’s administration. The orders on health care, on defeating ISIS, on rebuilding the armed forces—all were essentially statements of intent with no legal force and requiring no action except a mandate to relevant departments and agencies to study issues and report back.

The travel ban, of course, is different. It was an actual policy order that dramatically changed immigration and visa policies for seven Muslim-majority countries. It was swiftly rejected by the courts, however, which meant that the signature policy of the Trump administration is now not a policy at all—at least, unless and until the White House finds a different approach.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/president-trump-has-done-almost-nothing-214775

Amazing that all this nothing has netted Trump a net 25 percent disapproval rating, with people saying he's off to the worst start since William Henry Harrison (who died a month after taking office).

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Re: Smoke and noise aside, Trump has done virtually nothing since taking office

Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:28 am

Thorin wrote:Where is the link for that claim on stocks?

Or is this from twitter again?
are you suggesting it is not correct?
where is your evidence for that

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:32 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:Where is the link for that claim on stocks?

Or is this from twitter again?
are you suggesting it is not correct?
where is your evidence for that

PMSL, you made the claim, the onus is on you to present the evidence.
Its like you saying that god exists, and its down to me to disprove something you have not proven.

He has been in term one month, so we need to see after one month comparison for each President and by what increase.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:33 am

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
but what did he get it for?
he certainly hasn't promoted peace and harmony around the world. It is a far more violent place than the one he inherited, and that was pretty violent. He hasn't brought peace anywhere, and certainly not in his first months of office. He divided america across race lines far more than other presidents. So please give us an inkling as to why he got a nobel peace prize. was it
"coz i'z black"?  as one satirist used to say


Which shows you do not understand why it is awarded do you?

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Obama ticked all the above boxes.
so why did he get it. He divided america on racial lines, presided over the rise of daesh and the death of a million iraqis and syrians. undertook bombing on at least 7 country's. all surprisingly Muslim and I may be wrong, but all on the infamous list of country's where more vetting is required for travellers.
Deported 3million illegal immigrants.
He alienated the only true ally in the middle east. and took us to the bring of war with russia. so yes he did wonders fro peace and harmony.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:36 am

Thorin wrote:
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thankfully all of us can make a point without resorting to personal abuse.something you are a bit of a master at.

But lucky for you you are teachers pet.


Contradiction alert and only a few posts back

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oh do shut up you islamaphobic racist
what are you babbling about now grudgy.

He has made many Islamophobic, racist and misogynistic comments against my wife.

and by doing so and getting away with it would suggest he is teachers pet

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:37 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Which shows you do not understand why it is awarded do you?

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Obama ticked all the above boxes.
so why did he get it. He divided america on racial lines, presided over the rise of daesh and the death of a million iraqis and syrians. undertook bombing on at least 7 country's. all surprisingly Muslim and I may be wrong, but all on the infamous list of country's where more vetting is required for travellers.
Deported 3million illegal immigrants.
He alienated the only true ally in the middle east. and took us to the bring of war with russia. so yes he did wonders fro peace and harmony.

He did not divide the US on racial lines, more fake crap news.
What has ISIS got to do with the above points and when he received the award?
What has immigrants got to do with the points awarded for the prize?

Like I said, you have no conception as to why its awarded

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:38 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Contradiction alert and only a few posts back


what are you babbling about now grudgy.

He has made many Islamophobic, racist and misogynistic comments against my wife.

and by doing so and getting away with it would suggest he is teachers pet

And, does that excuse you from being abusive?

No, hence the contradiction

I just love exposing what an angry little boy you are

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:05 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:
Which shows you do not understand why it is awarded do you?

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Obama ticked all the above boxes.

so why did he get it. He divided america on racial lines, presided over the rise of daesh and the death of a million iraqis and syrians. undertook bombing on at least 7 country's. all surprisingly Muslim and I may be wrong, but all on the infamous list of country's where more vetting is required for travellers.
Deported 3million illegal immigrants.
He alienated the only true ally in the middle east. and took us to the bring of war with russia. so yes he did wonders fro peace and harmony.

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THE O/P IS quiet correct...

Team Trump has't done anything positive in it's first four weeks..
But they have managed to do plenty wrong.

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Your claims above there are pure bullshit,  without a modicum of truth to back your idiotic claims...

(Getting a bit lonely back in the TheDYK flopcave, what with many of your regulars hanging out over here, now ?)

Your fallacious attacks against Obama are a clear and desperate attempt to deflect attention from your own regular racist, alt.righr and muddle-headed rants on here..

Why are you such a poor example of a human being , DYKbrain ?   Were you bullied by little foreign girls when you were at school..        

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Fri Feb 17, 2017 2:25 pm

Wow.  That troll, above this post, sure does enjoy attacking others on a personal level, instead of intellectually discussing the topic in a civil manner.

Why are you so angry all the time, Wolfie?  I hear that when a female wolf (also known as a "she-wolf", or "bitch") is in heat, they sometimes get cranky and stay that way until they "get some".

Perhaps you should go out, tonight, and get you "some", your horned up little "she-wolf" (see, I didn't use the other term. Heh!). Just make sure he finishes the job for you. Wink  It may do wonders for that attitude.


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Post by Angry Andy on Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:13 pm

Actually laughed out loud when Dyk brain accused me of Islamaohobia. I know his wife is a Muslim. He tells us every day virtually.
Which makes it even more extraordinary that he runs and promotes such a vile anti Islamic forum from his Turkish home. A forum which preaches racial hatred from many of its posters and which is tolerated by the rest.

 Do the Turkish authorities know? Would they be happy?  Does his wife know?

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:16 pm

Deans wife is an innocent unknowing person to this debate and forums, so there's really no need to bring g her up Andy.

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Post by Angry Andy on Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:21 pm

He brought her up, not me. I sympathise with her. She may well be unwitting to the knowledge of his forum and what bile is spouted on there.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 18, 2017 10:24 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:Wow.  That troll, above this post, sure does enjoy attacking others on a personal level, instead of intellectually discussing the topic in a civil manner.

Why are you so angry all the time, Wolfie?  I hear that when a female wolf (also known as a "she-wolf", or "bitch") is in heat, they sometimes get cranky and stay that way until they "get some".

Perhaps you should go out, tonight, and get you "some", your horned up little "she-wolf" (see, I didn't use the other term. Heh!). Just make sure he finishes the job for you. Wink  It may do wonders for that attitude.


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Yet another total pack of lies from you, you little dumbfuck...

I am not a troll --  a term you often misuse against your detractors on here...

Indeed,  the only true "trolls" on here are you and your new BFF  DYKnose..


And I am certainly nowhere near as "angry" as either of you two..

Whenever anyone calls you out over your incessant spamming and trolling,  all you have are your ridiculous ifantile and churlish alt.right memes and meaningless rhetoric.

You clueless little maggot.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:43 pm

pull yer neck in wolfie....

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:52 pm

Lord Foul wrote:pull yer neck in wolfie....


....And IT actually. He has been making some pretty silly and childish posts himself.

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Post by Angry Andy on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:02 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Contradiction alert and only a few posts back


what are you babbling about now grudgy.

He has made many Islamophobic, racist and misogynistic comments against my wife.

and by doing so and getting away with it would suggest he is teachers pet
Another untruth/fake news/unsupported claim by a Trump supporting arselicker.
I have great sympathy for Dykhead's better half. Actually she is 1000% better than him, not just by a half.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:47 pm

I would suggest HA, that you STOP seeing how far you can push it......Even IF a poster mentions their "other half"....It does NOT empower or confer any right to you, to use them as a stick to poke the poster with...GOT IT?

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