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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:24 pm

I was surprised by this, because it certainly feels like a lot has been going on. But this (admittedly long) examination sifting fact from the B.S. is pretty convincing:

Just weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, you would think that everything had changed. The uproar over the president’s tweets grows louder by the day, as does concern over the erratic, haphazard and aggressive stance of the White House toward critics and those with different policy views. On Sunday, White House aide Stephen Miller bragged, “We have a president who has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration.”

But Miller was dead wrong about this. There is a wide gap, a chasm even, between what the administration has said and what it has done. There have been 45 executive orders or presidential memoranda signed, which may seem like a lot but lags President Barack Obama’s pace. More crucially, with the notable exception of the travel ban, almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations. So far, Trump has behaved exactly like he has throughout his previous career: He has generated intense attention and sold himself as a man of action while doing little other than promote an image of himself as someone who gets things done.

It is the illusion of a presidency, not the real thing.

The key problem here is understanding Trump’s executive orders and presidential memoranda. Trump very quickly seized on the signing of these as media opportunities, and each new order and memo has been staged and announced as dramatic steps to alter the course of the country. Not accustomed to presidents whose words mean little when it comes to actual policy, opponents have seized on these as proof that Trump represents a malign force, while supporters have pointed to these as proof that Trump is actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

Neither is correct. The official documents have all the patina of “big deals” but when parsed and examined turn out to be far, far less than they appear. Take the order authorizing the construction of a border wall between the United States and Mexico. The relevant section of the January 25 order read: “It is the policy of the executive branch to … secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border, monitored and supported by adequate personnel so as to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism.” That sounds indeed like an order to fulfill a controversial campaign promise. The problem? Congress initially passed a Secure Fence Act in 2006 that required the construction of nearly 700 miles of fortified border. By 2011, under the Obama administration, most of that was completed, with a mix of pedestrian fencing and vehicle fortifications. Since then, there has only been minimal funding for further fortifications.

The result is that Trump issued an executive order mandating something that has in many respects already been done—with no congressional funding yet to redo the current fortified border with a larger, more expensive structure. The president does not have the budgetary discretion to build such a wall, and it remains to be seen whether Congress will authorize what promises to be a controversial and redundant project. This executive order, therefore, changes nothing, and only mandates something that has already been mandated, already been constructed and that the president lacks the spending authority to upgrade.

Then take things like the Keystone pipeline permits, the promise to deregulate and the most recently signed orders about crime. The January 24 order on infrastructure begins with a sentiment almost anyone could agree with: “Infrastructure investment strengthens our economic platform, makes America more competitive, creates millions of jobs, increases wages for American workers, and reduces the costs of goods and services for American families and consumers. Too often, infrastructure projects in the United States have been routinely and excessively delayed by agency processes and procedures.” It then declares that the policy of the Executive Branch is to expedite the permitting of such projects. That was followed by two memoranda on the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines that had been denied permits during Obama’s tenure, which urges the companies to re-submit their permit applications for review.

That might seem like an order to have the pipelines built. But Keystone remains almost entirely an idea, and oil shipments and infrastructure from Canada have long since been routed elsewhere given the years and years of delay in ever authorizing it. The Dakota Access Pipeline is largely complete, with a major dispute over its passage through tribal lands, and here too, it is unlikely that a presidential memorandum has any legal bearing on how that issue is resolved given that it lies within the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers and cannot simply be countermanded by the White House.

Or take the orders of deregulation. Those were widely hailed as a rollback of Dodd-Frank, especially given that the morning that the order was issued, February 3, Trump met with bank CEOs and expressed his dislike for many of the legislation’s provisions. The actual order, however, delivers much less than it promises, merely directing the secretary of the Treasury to review existing regulations and report back on which ones might be refined to achieve better outcomes.

Or the crime orders signed on February 9, which were widely hailed as cracking down on “transnational criminal organizations” and “preventing violence against … law enforcement officers.” Nothing in the text of these orders is either objectionable or in any respect a departure from current law and policy. One order states plainly that it shall be the policy of the administration to “enforce all Federal laws in order to enhance the protection and safety of Federal, State, tribal, and local law enforcement officers, and thereby all Americans.” The other says that the administration will seek to use existing laws to crack down on trafficking. You would have known none of that from the headlines both supporting and denouncing the efforts. Breitbart claimed “Trump Signs Three Executive Orders to Restore Safety in America” while many took these orders as a sign that police will have new, expanded powers and protections. In truth, the orders changed the status quo not one whit.

On it goes: The recent crackdown on undocumented immigrants that followed Trump’s January 25 order on enforcement priorities may depart from Barack Obama’s post-2102 policies to de-emphasize deportation of undocumented immigrants who do not have criminal records, but it appears fully consistent with deportation actions during both Obama’s first term and during significant portions of George W. Bush’s administration. The orders on health care, on defeating ISIS, on rebuilding the armed forces—all were essentially statements of intent with no legal force and requiring no action except a mandate to relevant departments and agencies to study issues and report back.

The travel ban, of course, is different. It was an actual policy order that dramatically changed immigration and visa policies for seven Muslim-majority countries. It was swiftly rejected by the courts, however, which meant that the signature policy of the Trump administration is now not a policy at all—at least, unless and until the White House finds a different approach.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/president-trump-has-done-almost-nothing-214775

Amazing that all this nothing has netted Trump a net 25 percent disapproval rating, with people saying he's off to the worst start since William Henry Harrison (who died a month after taking office).

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:35 pm

Sounds like a pretty biased article written by a butt-hurt snowflake.
Let's take a real look, for some real perspective.

-DOW closing at record highs, since Trump won the election.
-Israel and Russia wanting to repair relations
-Eased relations with Russia
-Dakota pipeline gets approved
-Carrier is no longer sending 1000 jobs to Mexico (directly due to Trump)
-Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in Trump
-Intel, in Show of Support for Trump, Announces Factory in Arizona
(BTW... this plant will bring over 10,000 jobs)

So, he's been in office for 3 weeks and has already saved nearly 12,000 jobs, for starters.  That's more than Obama managed to save in 8 years. fiesta

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:37 pm

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:Sounds like a pretty biased article written by a butt-hurt snowflake.
Let's take a real look, for some real perspective.

-DOW closing at record highs, since Trump won the election.
-Israel and Russia wanting to repair relations
-Eased relations with Russia
-Dakota pipeline gets approved
-Carrier is no longer sending 1000 jobs to Mexico (directly due to Trump)
-Ford cancels Mexico plant. Will create 700 U.S. jobs in 'vote of confidence' in Trump
-Intel, in Show of Support for Trump, Announces Factory in Arizona
(BTW... this plant will bring over 10,000 jobs)

So, he's been in office for 3 weeks and has already saved nearly 12,000 jobs, for starters.  That's more than Obama managed to save in 8 years. fiesta

The Dakota Access Pipeline is largely complete, with a major dispute over its passage through tribal lands, and here too, it is unlikely that a presidential memorandum has any legal bearing on how that issue is resolved given that it lies within the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers and cannot simply be countermanded by the White House.

Dow & Israel have nothing to do with Trump, Carrier is a lie (your own link proves it), and the rest is piss in the ocean compared to the jobs Obama saved.

Doesn't Trump get annoyed with you swinging from his nuts all day?

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:38 pm

Listen, I'm not great with American politics especially, but that article made complete and perfect sense to me! It's all double-talk and waffle. Looking extra busy and doing nothing.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:39 pm

Turns out, this is how Trump operates:

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:43 pm

I said it first.

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:45 pm

Ben wrote:
Dow & Israel have nothing to do with Trump

Puh-leeeze!
Stocks are on a tear, and the US dollar is rising — all since Donald Trump was elected the 45th US president.


And here's more of the "nothing" he's been doing.
CNN Money wrote:
"We are excited to work with President-elect Trump and his administration to do our part to drive economic growth and create jobs in the U.S.," said Sprint (S) CEO Marcelo Claure. He called it "critical" for business and government to work together.
President-elect Donald Trump is claiming another victory: Sprint will bring back 5,000 jobs to the U.S.

That makes 17,000 jobs in 3 weeks. Saved. You never got these results from Obama in 8 years!


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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:49 pm

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Ben wrote:
Dow & Israel have nothing to do with Trump

Puh-leeeze!  
Stocks are on a tear, and the US dollar is rising — all since Donald Trump was elected the 45th US president.


And here's more of the "nothing" he's been doing.
CNN Money wrote:
"We are excited to work with President-elect Trump and his administration to do our part to drive economic growth and create jobs in the U.S.," said Sprint (S) CEO Marcelo Claure. He called it "critical" for business and government to work together.
President-elect Donald Trump is claiming another victory: Sprint will bring back 5,000 jobs to the U.S.

That makes 17,000 jobs in 3 weeks.  Saved.  You never got these results from Obama in 8 years!


You keep guzzling that Kool-Aid, I'm going to let some of our other happy warriors chew your ass about this one for now Smile

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:02 pm

Ben wrote:
...I'm going to let some of our other happy warriors chew your ass about this one...

Great.  Tell them to stop by this thread and chew someone else's ass out before swinging by here.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19709-joy-villa-shoots-up-the-album-charts-after-wearing-pro-trump-dress-at-grammys

If they're going to start flinging around the feigned "morals" argument, too, I'd like for them to show some, before preaching about it.

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Post by Lurker on Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:26 pm

LIT, you have always lived in a fantasy world that doesn't exist. Try entering the real world for a change.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I was surprised by this, because it certainly feels like a lot has been going on. But this (admittedly long) examination sifting fact from the B.S. is pretty convincing:

Just weeks into Donald Trump’s presidency, you would think that everything had changed. The uproar over the president’s tweets grows louder by the day, as does concern over the erratic, haphazard and aggressive stance of the White House toward critics and those with different policy views. On Sunday, White House aide Stephen Miller bragged, “We have a president who has done more in three weeks than most presidents have done in an entire administration.”

But Miller was dead wrong about this. There is a wide gap, a chasm even, between what the administration has said and what it has done. There have been 45 executive orders or presidential memoranda signed, which may seem like a lot but lags President Barack Obama’s pace. More crucially, with the notable exception of the travel ban, almost none of these orders have mandated much action or clear change of current regulations. So far, Trump has behaved exactly like he has throughout his previous career: He has generated intense attention and sold himself as a man of action while doing little other than promote an image of himself as someone who gets things done.

It is the illusion of a presidency, not the real thing.

The key problem here is understanding Trump’s executive orders and presidential memoranda. Trump very quickly seized on the signing of these as media opportunities, and each new order and memo has been staged and announced as dramatic steps to alter the course of the country. Not accustomed to presidents whose words mean little when it comes to actual policy, opponents have seized on these as proof that Trump represents a malign force, while supporters have pointed to these as proof that Trump is actually fulfilling his campaign promises.

Neither is correct. The official documents have all the patina of “big deals” but when parsed and examined turn out to be far, far less than they appear. Take the order authorizing the construction of a border wall between the United States and Mexico. The relevant section of the January 25 order read: “It is the policy of the executive branch to … secure the southern border of the United States through the immediate construction of a physical wall on the southern border, monitored and supported by adequate personnel so as to prevent illegal immigration, drug and human trafficking, and acts of terrorism.” That sounds indeed like an order to fulfill a controversial campaign promise. The problem? Congress initially passed a Secure Fence Act in 2006 that required the construction of nearly 700 miles of fortified border. By 2011, under the Obama administration, most of that was completed, with a mix of pedestrian fencing and vehicle fortifications. Since then, there has only been minimal funding for further fortifications.

The result is that Trump issued an executive order mandating something that has in many respects already been done—with no congressional funding yet to redo the current fortified border with a larger, more expensive structure. The president does not have the budgetary discretion to build such a wall, and it remains to be seen whether Congress will authorize what promises to be a controversial and redundant project. This executive order, therefore, changes nothing, and only mandates something that has already been mandated, already been constructed and that the president lacks the spending authority to upgrade.

Then take things like the Keystone pipeline permits, the promise to deregulate and the most recently signed orders about crime. The January 24 order on infrastructure begins with a sentiment almost anyone could agree with: “Infrastructure investment strengthens our economic platform, makes America more competitive, creates millions of jobs, increases wages for American workers, and reduces the costs of goods and services for American families and consumers. Too often, infrastructure projects in the United States have been routinely and excessively delayed by agency processes and procedures.” It then declares that the policy of the Executive Branch is to expedite the permitting of such projects. That was followed by two memoranda on the Keystone and Dakota Access Pipelines that had been denied permits during Obama’s tenure, which urges the companies to re-submit their permit applications for review.

That might seem like an order to have the pipelines built. But Keystone remains almost entirely an idea, and oil shipments and infrastructure from Canada have long since been routed elsewhere given the years and years of delay in ever authorizing it. The Dakota Access Pipeline is largely complete, with a major dispute over its passage through tribal lands, and here too, it is unlikely that a presidential memorandum has any legal bearing on how that issue is resolved given that it lies within the purview of the Army Corps of Engineers and cannot simply be countermanded by the White House.

Or take the orders of deregulation. Those were widely hailed as a rollback of Dodd-Frank, especially given that the morning that the order was issued, February 3, Trump met with bank CEOs and expressed his dislike for many of the legislation’s provisions. The actual order, however, delivers much less than it promises, merely directing the secretary of the Treasury to review existing regulations and report back on which ones might be refined to achieve better outcomes.

Or the crime orders signed on February 9, which were widely hailed as cracking down on “transnational criminal organizations” and “preventing violence against … law enforcement officers.” Nothing in the text of these orders is either objectionable or in any respect a departure from current law and policy. One order states plainly that it shall be the policy of the administration to “enforce all Federal laws in order to enhance the protection and safety of Federal, State, tribal, and local law enforcement officers, and thereby all Americans.” The other says that the administration will seek to use existing laws to crack down on trafficking. You would have known none of that from the headlines both supporting and denouncing the efforts. Breitbart claimed “Trump Signs Three Executive Orders to Restore Safety in America” while many took these orders as a sign that police will have new, expanded powers and protections. In truth, the orders changed the status quo not one whit.

On it goes: The recent crackdown on undocumented immigrants that followed Trump’s January 25 order on enforcement priorities may depart from Barack Obama’s post-2102 policies to de-emphasize deportation of undocumented immigrants who do not have criminal records, but it appears fully consistent with deportation actions during both Obama’s first term and during significant portions of George W. Bush’s administration. The orders on health care, on defeating ISIS, on rebuilding the armed forces—all were essentially statements of intent with no legal force and requiring no action except a mandate to relevant departments and agencies to study issues and report back.

The travel ban, of course, is different. It was an actual policy order that dramatically changed immigration and visa policies for seven Muslim-majority countries. It was swiftly rejected by the courts, however, which meant that the signature policy of the Trump administration is now not a policy at all—at least, unless and until the White House finds a different approach.

http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/02/president-trump-has-done-almost-nothing-214775

Amazing that all this nothing has netted Trump a net 25 percent disapproval rating, with people saying he's off to the worst start since William Henry Harrison (who died a month after taking office).

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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:20 pm

Tommy put a snippet of your link up? Don't make us work hard for your wisdom.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:33 pm

Obama got a nobel prize after a few months as president doing nothing...


If trump is so good at doing nothing... Maybe he will get one in less time than Obama....


Although trump doing nothing means a continuation of what Obama has been increasingly doing in recent years...


The figures on link are quite startling... and especially when you consider that he was hailed as a hero of peace with the nobel award...



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Post by Independent Thoughts on Tue Feb 14, 2017 11:58 pm

In re to Tommy Monk's link and post:


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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:27 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Ben wrote:
...I'm going to let some of our other happy warriors chew your ass about this one...

Great.  Tell them to stop by this thread and chew someone else's ass out before swinging by here.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19709-joy-villa-shoots-up-the-album-charts-after-wearing-pro-trump-dress-at-grammys

If they're going to start flinging around the feigned "morals" argument, too, I'd like for them to show some, before preaching about it.

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The nonsense that you keep on writing, I have to wonder if English is even your native language..

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:23 am

Tommy Monk wrote:Obama got a nobel prize after a few months as president doing nothing...


If trump is so good at doing nothing... Maybe he will get one in less time than Obama....


Although trump doing nothing means a continuation of what Obama has been increasingly doing in recent years...


The figures on link are quite startling... and especially when you consider that he was hailed as a hero of peace with the nobel award...



Yeah, Obama should have never begged the Nobel committee for that peace prize Laughing

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Feb 15, 2017 2:26 pm

Arrow

Tommy fallaciously and laughingly claims that Obama "did nothing"  !!!

Proving once again, that Tommy never follows the news or world events,  but exists entirely in his own closeted thought bubbles...

Shut off entirely from any external influences or interactions.

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Post by nicko on Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:58 pm

Nail on the head Ben.
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:32 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:

Great.  Tell them to stop by this thread and chew someone else's ass out before swinging by here.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19709-joy-villa-shoots-up-the-album-charts-after-wearing-pro-trump-dress-at-grammys

If they're going to start flinging around the feigned "morals" argument, too, I'd like for them to show some, before preaching about it.

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The utter bulldust simply flows,  every time you even get near a keyboard...

The nonsense that you keep on writing,  I have to wonder if English is even your native language..

Wolf, what you are witnessing is a quiver of fear in his voice.  The abundance of his posts is the vibrato…as he sees Trump's fakery fall all around him.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Feb 15, 2017 5:55 pm

nicko wrote:Nail on the head Ben.

You get the joke, right?

The Nobel committee makes up its own mind and neither informs nor consults its nominees.

Obama had no idea he was going to get that prize.

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Post by nicko on Wed Feb 15, 2017 6:03 pm

Ben,why did he get it, as far as I can see he'd done nothing to deserve it. Or am I missing something?
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nicko wrote:Ben,why did he get it,    as far as I can see he'd done nothing to deserve it.     Or am I missing something?

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 6-million jobs, saved the American automobile industry, overseen the American stock market soar to over $20,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him.

That's a hell of a record. The only reason Republicans don't like him is because of his race.

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nicko wrote:Ben,why did he get it,    as far as I can see he'd done nothing to deserve it.     Or am I missing something?

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 6-million jobs, saved the American automobile industry, overseen the American stock market soar to over $20,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him.

That's a hell of a record.  The only reason Republicans don't like him is because of his race.  

When you prove them wrong all you get back are crickets. LOL

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Post by Andy on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:16 pm

Which is also the reason Tommy, Dickhead and IT never liked him.
But watch how they swoon over the fat, wig wearing, sexist, misogynistic , racist and alt right wannabe dictator who lies every time he opens his gob.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 15, 2017 7:38 pm

Lurker wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 6-million jobs, saved the American automobile industry, overseen the American stock market soar to over $20,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him.

That's a hell of a record.  The only reason Republicans don't like him is because of his race.  

When you prove them wrong all you get back are crickets. LOL


Wow... he did all that in his first 9 months as president... when he was awarded the nobel peace prize...!?

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Tommy Monk wrote:
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When you prove them wrong all you get back are crickets. LOL


Wow... he did all that in his first 9 months as president... when he was awarded the nobel peace prize...!?

Yep, pretty much...except for the things that took place over time, and even with those, he initiated the actions that set them going at the start.

Don't forget, the Congress for most of his tenure was dedicated to making America fail.  That was the McConnell-Boehner doctrine, which dogged Obama from the beginning.

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"...I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments..."

Said Obama when he was awarded with the nobel prize... after only a few months of becoming President...






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Tommy Monk wrote:"...I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments..."

Said Obama when he was awarded with the nobel prize... after only a few months of becoming President...

Humility...quite a difference from Trump, eh? Twisted Evil Obama was a team player, not a narcissistic fool. Three or four weeks with Trump you forget their were thoughtful, generous people once in that office.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 1:06 am

Smile

WHAT DO  Tommy,  DYKfacedeano and their pet robot troll Lord_No_Independent_Thoughts have in common  ?

They are three clueless and desperate alt.right goons, continually competing against one another to see who can appear the most stupid and uninformed..

Whose whole raisson d'etre is to cause as much disruption, deflection and as many derailments as possible on here...
When will their insanity stop.. The horror, the horror.          affraid

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Feb 16, 2017 3:26 am

Tommy Monk wrote:"...I am both surprised and deeply humbled by the decision of the Nobel Committee. Let me be clear: I do not view it as a recognition of my own accomplishments..."

Said Obama when he was awarded with the nobel prize... after only a few months of becoming President..

Why does this even matter? It was eight years ago and as I pointed out above, Obama didn't ask for it. A clue would be "I am surprised ..."

I have a feeling that below all the memes and deflections to Obama, there is a deep anguish among nationalists and right-wingers that the most powerful country in the world just (s)elected a hero of the right who is going to go down in history as the most inept, corrupt, dishonest, bumbling, stupid, narcissistic, egomaniacal, insecure, unqualified punchline in the history of the presidency.

I can't decide if after he's gone, I'm going to focus more on my joy that the world is objectively a much safer place, or just rub righties' faces in the shit-stain of Trump for years to come. I'll probably have to settle for a little of both.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:06 pm

So... as I said before... with ref to op... Obama did nothing for a few months after being elected as president and got awarded a nobel peace for it... if trump is so good at doing nothing then he could also get a nobel peace prize and in fewer months than Obama!!!


lol!


And Ben... you are obviously so entrenched in your misguided beliefs and twisted up by the bitterness and hatred you are being fed by the 'progressive' leftie msm in their increasingly hysterical (and I must say, most amusingly farcical fashion)... that you are now saying that you seek some sort of vindictive revenge...!?


Oh dear...!


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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 16, 2017 9:35 pm

Why do "the usual suspects" keep on giving them selves "Greens"

Have they got to bolster each others confidence?
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 10:59 pm

nicko wrote:Why do  "the usual suspects"  keep on giving them selves "Greens"

Have they got to bolster each others confidence?

Rolling Eyes

You can't give yourself a green nicko...

You would need to have two i.d's for that..

P.S.         Why do you only question why someone 'greens' one of your opposition --  but don't seem at all worried why somebody sees fit to swipe that "+" button for some fascist, racist or xenophobic tripe from you, Tommy or your associates on here  ?         scratch

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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 16, 2017 11:06 pm

nicko wrote:Why do  "the usual suspects"  keep on giving them selves "Greens"

Have they got to bolster each others confidence?

I gave him the green.
So we need to explain to other posters why we have given someone a green now?

They're "pretend" points by the way. On here, points don't make prizes.

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:24 am

nicko wrote:Ben,why did he get it,    as far as I can see he'd done nothing to deserve it.     Or am I missing something?

the Nobel committee wanted to ride the coat tails of Obamas popularity Wink

I mean how many people can even name half the awardee in the last decade Suspect Suspect

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:33 am

Smile        The Nobel Prize also carries a cash award, as well as a pretty little plaque to hang up behind your desk...

I am willing to bet that all of that $1.5 million USD plus went to one or more of the charities that the Obamas have been long-time supporters of..

After all,  it wouldn't be proper for for a sitting POTUS to pocket such moolah --  there must be a rule against that, somewhere in the terms of employment ?

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 17, 2017 6:26 am

Well he did buy a new set of expensive Golf clubs !Laughing
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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:13 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:
Ben wrote:
Dow & Israel have nothing to do with Trump

Puh-leeeze!  
Stocks are on a tear, and the US dollar is rising — all since Donald Trump was elected the 45th US president.


And here's more of the "nothing" he's been doing.
CNN Money wrote:
"We are excited to work with President-elect Trump and his administration to do our part to drive economic growth and create jobs in the U.S.," said Sprint (S) CEO Marcelo Claure. He called it "critical" for business and government to work together.
President-elect Donald Trump is claiming another victory: Sprint will bring back 5,000 jobs to the U.S.

That makes 17,000 jobs in 3 weeks.  Saved.  You never got these results from Obama in 8 years!

stocks have risen the most in the first month of a presidents election since johnson
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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:15 am

Original Quill wrote:Eds and Benji sitting in the tree
K-i-s-s-i-n-g!
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Did you get drunk last night? Laughing

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:16 am

Where is the link for that claim on stocks?

Or is this from twitter again?

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nicko wrote:Nail on the head Ben.

You get the joke, right?

The Nobel committee makes up its own mind and neither informs nor consults its nominees.

Obama had no idea he was going to get that prize.
but what did he get it for?
he certainly hasn't promoted peace and harmony around the world. It is a far more violent place than the one he inherited, and that was pretty violent. He hasn't brought peace anywhere, and certainly not in his first months of office. He divided america across race lines far more than other presidents. So please give us an inkling as to why he got a nobel peace prize. was it
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nicko wrote:Ben,why did he get it,    as far as I can see he'd done nothing to deserve it.     Or am I missing something?

The Republicans (Bush and Cheney) left the country in an ugly, purposeless war, on the brink of the next depression, with double-digit unemployment, a $17-trillion deficit and bin Laden still alive and running around.

Obama got the country out of Iraq, saved America from the next Depression, brought unemployment down from 10.5% to 5.1%, overseen the creation of 6-million jobs, saved the American automobile industry, overseen the American stock market soar to over $20,000 average in the Dow Jones (highest ever), finally created a highly successful medical care system (despite the sour grapes of Republicans) and he got bin Laden when the Republican administration was completely inept at even finding him.

That's a hell of a record.  The only reason Republicans don't like him is because of his race.  
and by doing so he brought into existence daesh and all the peace they brought on the world.
I am not sure those that pay for obama care feel it is a good system.
you are a bit of a racist if you think everything boils down to the colour of someones skin.


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Angry Andy wrote:Which is also the reason Tommy, Dickhead and IT never liked him.
But watch how they swoon over the fat, wig wearing, sexist, misogynistic , racist and alt right wannabe dictator who lies every time he opens his gob.
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Wow... he did all that in his first 9 months as president... when he was awarded the nobel peace prize...!?

Yep, pretty much...except for the things that took place over time, and even with those, he initiated the actions that set them going at the start.

Don't forget, the Congress for most of his tenure was dedicated to making America fail.  That was the McConnell-Boehner doctrine, which dogged Obama from the beginning.
is that why he wrote 300+ presidential orders?

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

You get the joke, right?

The Nobel committee makes up its own mind and neither informs nor consults its nominees.

Obama had no idea he was going to get that prize.
but what did he get it for?
he certainly hasn't promoted peace and harmony around the world. It is a far more violent place than the one he inherited, and that was pretty violent. He hasn't brought peace anywhere, and certainly not in his first months of office. He divided america across race lines far more than other presidents. So please give us an inkling as to why he got a nobel peace prize. was it
"coz i'z black"?  as one satirist used to say


Which shows you do not understand why it is awarded do you?

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize shall be awarded to the person who in the preceding year "shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses"

Obama ticked all the above boxes.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

WHAT DO  Tommy,  DYKfacedeano and their pet robot troll Lord_No_Independent_Thoughts have in common  ?

They are three clueless and desperate alt.right goons, continually competing against one another to see who can appear the most stupid and uninformed..

Whose whole raisson d'etre is to cause as much disruption, deflection and as many derailments as possible on here...
When will their insanity stop..   The horror,  the horror.          affraid
thankfully all of us can make a point without resorting to personal abuse.something you are a bit of a master at.

But lucky for you you are teachers pet.

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nicko wrote:Why do  "the usual suspects"  keep on giving them selves "Greens"

Have they got to bolster each others confidence?
yes, it makes themselves feel important

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:26 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Smile

WHAT DO  Tommy,  DYKfacedeano and their pet robot troll Lord_No_Independent_Thoughts have in common  ?

They are three clueless and desperate alt.right goons, continually competing against one another to see who can appear the most stupid and uninformed..

Whose whole raisson d'etre is to cause as much disruption, deflection and as many derailments as possible on here...
When will their insanity stop..   The horror,  the horror.          affraid
thankfully all of us can make a point without resorting to personal abuse.something you are a bit of a master at.

But lucky for you you are teachers pet.


Contradiction alert and only a few posts back

The Devil, You Know wrote:
oh do shut up you islamaphobic racist


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:26 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:Why do  "the usual suspects"  keep on giving them selves "Greens"

Have they got to bolster each others confidence?

Rolling Eyes

You can't give yourself a green nicko...

You would need to have two i.d's for that..

P.S.         Why do you only question why someone 'greens' one of your opposition --  but don't seem at all worried why somebody sees fit to swipe that "+" button for some fascist, racist or xenophobic tripe from you, Tommy or your associates on here  ?         scratch
when you get to kindergarten today ask the teacher about plurals.

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