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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:57 pm

Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable



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[th]Poll[/th][th]Date[/th][th]Sample[/th][th]Favorable[/th][th]Unfavorable[/th][th]Spread[/th]
RCP Average1/12 - 2/8--42.450.0-7.6
PPP (D)2/7 - 2/8712 RV4552-7
Economist/YouGov2/5 - 2/71315 RV4551-6
Quinnipiac2/2 - 2/61155 RV4352-9
FOX News1/15 - 1/181006 RV4255-13
Rasmussen Reports1/17 - 1/181000 LV5248+4
Reuters/Ipsos1/13 - 1/172070 A5050Tie
CBS News1/13 - 1/161257 A3242-10
ABC News/Wash Post1/12 - 1/151005 A4054-14
CNN/ORC1/12 - 1/151000 A4453-9
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl1/12 - 1/151000 A3848-10
Monmouth1/12 - 1/15708 RV3545-10
All Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable Polling Data




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by The Devil, You Know on Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:48 pm

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Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable






Polling Data









































[th]Poll[/th][th]Date[/th][th]Sample[/th][th]Favorable[/th][th]Unfavorable[/th][th]Spread[/th]
RCP Average1/12 - 2/8--42.450.0-7.6
PPP (D)2/7 - 2/8712 RV4552-7
Economist/YouGov2/5 - 2/71315 RV4551-6
Quinnipiac2/2 - 2/61155 RV4352-9
FOX News1/15 - 1/181006 RV4255-13
Rasmussen Reports1/17 - 1/181000 LV5248+4
Reuters/Ipsos1/13 - 1/172070 A5050Tie
CBS News1/13 - 1/161257 A3242-10
ABC News/Wash Post1/12 - 1/151005 A4054-14
CNN/ORC1/12 - 1/151000 A4453-9
NBC News/Wall St. Jrnl1/12 - 1/151000 A3848-10
Monmouth1/12 - 1/15708 RV3545-10
All Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable Polling Data




http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/trump_favorableunfavorable-5493.html

I presume the figure on the right is the favourable figure

wouldn't that suggest from the trend his figures are rising slightly or more or less flat
as it seems to start in december and goes to last week


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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by The Devil, You Know on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:01 pm

ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
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the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.


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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:06 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
.
the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.


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lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:06 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
.
the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.
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But compared to every other president since 1781, he's got the quickest, worst dive.

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by The Devil, You Know on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:12 pm

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The Devil, You Know wrote:ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
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the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.
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But compared to every other president since 1781, he's got the quickest, worst dive.
except his rating have been pretty consistent for months if you look at all the polls.
in the last month he has gone from -10 to -7.6 which seems to be an upward trend to me.

maybe you read polls differently over there, but here when we have that sort of poll we often count the difference as being the true measure.
trump has been meandering along the high 30 to mid 40's for several months yet he still became president, that says something surely.

I dont know if there was corresponding polls about clinton, I presume there must have been. it would be interesting to see what her figures were considering she lost

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:21 pm

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
.
the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.


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lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:55 am

Idea

ON THURSDAY (Friday down here..) Donnie the Dumpster repeated his promise to slash corporate tax rates this year...

During the election campaign,  he also promised the faithful that they could look forward to more jobs, more pay, and tax breaks for average workers..

So,  to maintain some government revenue, Team Trump will be asking Congress to introduce a swag of new indirect taxes, levies, excises and gov't charges over his term in office --  that's really the only way he can possibly finance even half his promises !  That 20% tariff on Mexican_sourced imports is only the beginning..

Now watch his approval ratings crash even faster, as his supporters realise what a "three card trick" he has actually dealt them  !!!            

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:00 pm

Thorin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.
did you look beyond the poll results you posted.
there is a list that goes back months and he has gone from mid to high 30's to mid to low 40's, the spread between approval and disapproval has been falling.

the fundamental point perhaps is that he still won the presidency even on 40 ish % approval ratings.

did you find similar polls for clinton who lost the presidency.


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:01 pm

Thorin wrote:
Thorin wrote:

lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.
again the spread has fallen from 10 point to 7.6 over the last month or so.

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:02 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:
did you look beyond the poll results you posted.
they is a list that goes back months and he has gone from mid to high 30's to mid to low 40's, the spread between approval and disapproval has been falling.

the fundimental point perhaps is that he still won the presidency even on 40 ish % approval ratings.

did you find similar polls for clinton who lost the presidency.


You stated trend, the recent trend shows he is losing support, since he peaked in September and even more since he became President in January

Now stop wasting my time, with your pathetic alternative facts.

In other words garbage

That is a fact, what I presented is a fact, you tried to skew the stats.

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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:03 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:
again the spread has fallen from 10 point to 7.6 over the last month or so.

That is over many months, not since December as I stated.

Please go back to school and do basic maths, you are embarrassing yourself

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:30 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea

ON THURSDAY (Friday down here..) Donnie the Dumpster repeated his promise to slash corporate tax rates this year...

During the election campaign,  he also promised the faithful that they could look forward to more jobs, more pay, and tax breaks for average workers..

So,  to maintain some government revenue, Team Trump will be asking Congress to introduce a swag of new indirect taxes, levies, excises and gov't charges over his term in office --  that's really the only way he can possibly finance even half his promises !  That 20% tariff on Mexican_sourced imports is only the beginning..

Now watch his approval ratings crash even faster, as his supporters realise what a "three card trick" he has actually dealt them  !!!            
people are quite happy when they have more money in their pockets, it means they can decide what to spend it on.
low corporation tax means more money for investment and more jobs ultimately.
Taxing until the pips squeak, which is a popular labour approach over here, just means the costs are passed onto the consumer at best or the company goes out of business at worst. governments have no money. Everything they have they get from you or I. by and large they produce little. low taxation tends to bring in more money than high taxation as there is less incentive to avoid taxes.
companies like to set up business in places that have low taxation, they are not so keen on places that have high taxation.
indirect taxes are I agree a sly way to fill in shortfalls, but it is the way all governments work. Labour in the UK were past masters of the indirect tax, but also they put up income taxes as well and still could not fill their financial black holes.
the perfect government should not spend more or less than it takes in.

america's budget deficit is huge. trump has to try and close that gap somehow. workers should not be seen as a cash cow by governments.

in britain under labour in 2010 the around first £6500 was not taxed, over that it was 20%, 40% or 50%, although the 50% rate was only brought in just before labour left office, on top of that workers also pay another 10 or 11% in national insurance, meaning top rate payers paid 61% and bottom rate payers 31%
the coalition removed the 50% rate and reduced it again to 45% and the amounts brought in by that change exceeded what was being collected by the 50% rate. all those rates are far too high in my view and I speak as someone who does not even have an income enough to break the current tax allowance these days which now stands around the £11000 mark.

the coalition and the tories did more for the low paid in the coalitions term than labour did in 13 years. they took millions out of paying income tax altogether.
Of course we all still get hammered by green taxes which force the price of everything through the roof. I am sure if the money raised in the name of green taxation was entirely spent on finding an alternative to fossil fuels people might not mind so much, however it isn't it is used to fill the massive black holes in government spending. If all those green taxes had been spent on alternative energy sources over the last decade or so then we would all no doubt be carrying personal fusion reactors and driving flying cars.

I would rather choose to spend my own money on things I want rather than see it disappear into a government black hole. indirect taxation means you choose whether you want to pay the taxes by whether you want to buy item A,B or C.
essential items should not be taxed in my view, the rest however should be taxed at whatever rate is decided.
the VAT on a supercar would be huge, the VAT on a bottle of beer or packet of fags not so much. So the rich would still pay more than the poor as the rich are likely to buy more luxury items.

if you are happy to pay more than your fair share there are ways you can pay extra money to the taxman.


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:33 pm

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The Devil, You Know wrote:

again the spread has fallen from 10 point to 7.6 over the last month or so.

That is over many months, not since December as I stated.

Please go back to school and do basic maths, you are embarrassing yourself
no the table you posted goes from 12th january to the present.
in that time he has gone from a 10 point spread to a 7.6 point spread.

there is a table on the website that goes back months. his lowest point there was about 35% approval.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:36 pm

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:ah when you look at the actual web page it all becomes clear.

he's gone from -10 to -7.6 in a month
american dates are a bit confusing.
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the cbs poll seems to be a bit of an outlier though as their favorability rating is way out from pretty much all the other polls.

I would say it's not that bad considering how much he is hated by some people over there.


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lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.
what you posted was a list of individual polls with approval and disapproval rates for each poll.

the dates the polls covered is in the first column

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Re: Trump: Favorable/Unfavorable

Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:39 pm

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:

did you look beyond the poll results you posted.
they is a list that goes back months and he has gone from mid to high 30's to mid to low 40's, the spread between approval and disapproval has been falling.

the fundimental point perhaps is that he still won the presidency even on 40 ish % approval ratings.

did you find similar polls for clinton who lost the presidency.


You stated trend, the recent trend shows he is losing support, since he peaked in September and even more since he became President in January

Now stop wasting my time, with your pathetic alternative facts.

In other words garbage

That is a fact, what I presented is a fact, you tried to skew the stats.
if you base it on the differencve between approval and disapproval which is what we do in the UK then it is falling.

surely you have seen leaders rating in the uk with negative figures

the last I saw had the green woman on the highest score at -2

corbyn was somewhere around -30 and May about -20 or so I think, from memory


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 4:40 pm

Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:

again the spread has fallen from 10 point to 7.6 over the last month or so.

That is over many months, not since December as I stated.

Please go back to school and do basic maths, you are embarrassing yourself
you mean like I said to you on my second post

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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:38 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:

That is over many months, not since December as I stated.

Please go back to school and do basic maths, you are embarrassing yourself
no the table you posted goes from 12th january to the present.
in that time he has gone from a 10 point spread to a 7.6 point spread.

there is a table on the website that goes back months. his lowest point there was about 35% approval.


Then you cannot read the maths, trying use the graph, with the mean at 44% at Trumps peak

Its not rocket science, this simple maths you cannot grasp

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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:39 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:

lol alternate facts

That is a mean value, based off the spread of Polls

He has continually gone down, trend wise since the start of 2017

Since he peaked at a mean of 44 in Dec, this has now gone down to a mean of 42 and support against him is growing.

48 in December to now 50%

Here is a great example where a posters tries to skew the stats to create an illusion.
what you posted was a list of individual polls with approval and disapproval rates for each poll.

the dates the polls covered is in the first column


That is not even a counter just a load of whinging again

put up or shut up, its quite simple

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Post by Guest on Sun Feb 12, 2017 5:40 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Thorin wrote:

You stated trend, the recent trend shows he is losing support, since he peaked in September and even more since he became President in January

Now stop wasting my time, with your pathetic alternative facts.

In other words garbage

That is a fact, what I presented is a fact, you tried to skew the stats.
if you base it on the differencve between approval and disapproval which is what we do in the UK then it is falling.

surely you have seen leaders rating in the uk with negative figures

the last I saw had the green woman on the highest score at -2

corbyn was somewhere around -30 and May about -20 or so I think, from memory



You are not even the UK
What you do, you do in turkey as a resident and again all irrelevent to the points I made

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:04 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea

ON THURSDAY (Friday down here..) Donnie the Dumpster repeated his promise to slash corporate tax rates this year...

During the election campaign,  he also promised the faithful that they could look forward to more jobs, more pay, and tax breaks for average workers..

So,  to maintain some government revenue, Team Trump will be asking Congress to introduce a swag of new indirect taxes, levies, excises and gov't charges over his term in office --  that's really the only way he can possibly finance even half his promises !  That 20% tariff on Mexican_sourced imports is only the beginning..

Now watch his approval ratings crash even faster, as his supporters realise what a "three card trick" he has actually dealt them  !!!            
people are quite happy when they have more money in their pockets, it means they can decide what to spend it on.
low corporation tax means more money for investment and more jobs ultimately.
Taxing until the pips squeak, which is a popular labour approach over here, just means the costs are passed onto the consumer at best or the company goes out of business at worst. governments have no money. Everything they have they get from you or I. by and large they produce little. low taxation tends to bring in more money than high taxation as there is less incentive to avoid taxes.
companies like to set up business in places that have low taxation, they are not so keen on places that have high taxation.
indirect taxes are I agree a sly way to fill in shortfalls, but it is the way all governments work. Labour in the UK were past masters of the indirect tax, but also they put up income taxes as well and still could not fill their financial black holes.
the perfect government should not spend more or less than it takes in.

america's budget deficit is huge. trump has to try and close that gap somehow. workers should not be seen as a cash cow by governments.

in britain under labour in 2010 the around first £6500 was not taxed, over that it was 20%, 40% or 50%, although the 50% rate was only brought in just before labour left office, on top of that workers also pay another 10 or 11% in national insurance, meaning top rate payers paid 61% and bottom rate payers 31%
the coalition removed the 50% rate and reduced it again to 45% and the amounts brought in by that change exceeded what was being collected by the 50% rate. all those rates are far too high in my view and I speak as someone who does not even have an income enough to break the current tax allowance these days which now stands around the £11000 mark.

the coalition and the tories did more for the low paid in the coalitions term than labour did in 13 years. they took millions out of paying income tax altogether.
Of course we all still get hammered by green taxes which force the price of everything through the roof. I am sure if the money raised in the name of green taxation was entirely spent on finding an alternative to fossil fuels people might not mind so much, however it isn't it is used to fill the massive black holes in government spending. If all those green taxes had been spent on alternative energy sources over the last decade or so then we would all no doubt be carrying personal fusion reactors and driving flying cars.

I would rather choose to spend my own money on things I want rather than see it disappear into a government black hole. indirect taxation means you choose whether you want to pay the taxes by whether you want to buy item A,B or C.
essential items should not be taxed in my view, the rest however should be taxed at whatever rate is decided.
the VAT on a supercar would be huge, the VAT on a bottle of beer or packet of fags not so much. So the rich would still pay more than the poor as the rich are likely to buy more luxury items.

if you are happy to pay more than your fair share there are ways you can pay extra money to the taxman.


Idea

You economic illiteracy shines through every time you attempt to look smart on here DYKbrain...

Corporations don't create jobs anymore,  they ultimately destroy them...

Over the past 30 years,  "Big Business's" share of the workforce has fallen from over 15% to less than 10%, at the same time as the world population and economy have both grown.

Largely due to the combined effects of automation,  mechanisation, multi-tasking, and "off-shoring" of jobs..

More indirect taxes leads to higher price inflations.
Wiping out any gains from any payroll tax cuts..

While any extra left over for "discretionary" spending is constantly being eroded by increasing costs off essentials, such as food, energy, transport and housing costs...

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