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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:51 am

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we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:59 pm

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Unless you're a Republican woman, or one that happens to be the daughter of our President, or a pro-life woman.




Hahahaha!  







Democrats fought against and voted against civil rights.  I've outlined this and provided sources, numerous times in these threads.




Again...  


http://thepoliticalinsider.com/dnc-rigged-stole-election-from-bernie-sanders/

Yeah, the Democratic party loves democracy soooooo much that they made a farce out of it.  The DNC's own attorney is arguing in court that maintaining a fair and balanced primary was merely a “political promise.”  Just a promise... that they had no intention of keeping.  The Democratic Primary wasn't a democratic event, as it was "promised" to be.  So much for democracy within the Liberal ranks, huh? Wink



LOL!  Yeah, so long as you're not Christian or Jewish.

So, in summary...




Laughing

Once again, poor little know-nothing I/T has proven that he has no clue of just what genuine "Liberalism" is...

No surprise really, when all of his references above are from far-right-wing Teabagger blogsites..
well you are an excellent example of the hate fuelled illiberal of today.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:01 pm

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do you have a problem with the elderly, or are they called seniors over there?

They are called 'seniors'.  And I have no problem with seniors, I'm past my prime myself.  But, let's face it, America is a racist nation.  So older Americans are more liable to fit the mold of the Trump thesis: Make America White Again.  Trump is the last gasp of a dying American brand: older, whiter America.

But more to the point, the cliched blond hair and big tits is giving way to Americans who are more attracted to original thought and creative answers.  Blond hair and big tits are a part of America's past too, like white seniors...women have become mature, thinking beings who no longer need to sell sex in order to succeed in this world.

It's all a dying brand in America.  Why do you think Republicans need to resort to voter suppression and border walls?  It's because, on the numbers, their candidate lost by 10-million votes.
didn;t the democrats, or their forebears practically bring the KKK into existence, wasn't it the republicans that wanted to free the slaves or actually freed them.
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remember this?


No! And nobody else does, either! http://www.snopes.com/clinton-gore-92-confederate/

Remember this?


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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:02 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
didn;t the democrats, or their forebears practically bring the KKK into existence, wasn't it the republicans that wanted to free the slaves or actually freed them.
.

remember this?


No! And nobody else does, either! http://www.snopes.com/clinton-gore-92-confederate/

Remember this?

I do remember that, a man elected to president because he was black. Good for him

and who's the president now.

did you read the snopes page or just what you wanted to see., It doesn't say it was not a button, it even says they have been sold on ebay.

I would take what snopes said with a [pinch of salt as they are not exactly impartial.


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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:03 pm

I don't know. I'm guessing, Vladimir Putin?

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:03 pm

Ooh, ooh, is it Steve Bannon?

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:08 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:I don't know. I'm guessing, Vladimir Putin?
you see that's probably why hilliary lost, even her most rabid apparatchiks didn't know who was running

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:09 pm

hurrah, another win for the good guys

chortle

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 13, 2017 5:24 pm

I'm afraid there is no spanning the divide. We are heading for another civil war. I look around and all I see is hate, and hate returned.

Frankly, I'm OK with the result. We Californians are the one's who could walk away with impunity...and probably Washington and Oregon.

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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:04 pm

hurrah, another win for the good guys

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:11 pm

Original Quill wrote:I'm afraid there is no spanning the divide.  We are heading for another civil war.  I look around and all I see is hate, and hate returned.

Frankly, I'm OK with the result.  We Californians are the one's who could walk away with impunity...and probably Washington and Oregon.
yes you may be right, there certainly is nothing but hate emanating from the snowflakes out there.
shame its the ones they hate that have all the guns

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:12 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
hurrah, another win for the good guys

chortle

-- Adolph Hitler, after the Battle of Bautzen

oh you are a card.

it;s a shame others cant put so much effort into getting to the point.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:15 pm

never mind at least we know most people agree with the op statement. and why not it a perfectly sensible statement to make.


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Post by >THE Ben Reilly< on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:28 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:never mind at least we know most people agree with the op statement. and why not it a perfectly sensible statement to make.


Well, I agreed with the text it was adopted from. I told you I didn't agree with the premise that there are unchecked immigrants pouring across the border, and that's because you presented it as though it was something Trump said or released, while it was actually released before Obama took office.

Another thing, since we're still beating this horse -- you might want to compare notes with some American righties like IT. They (and Trump) have actually been trying to push the narrative that Obama left the borders undefended in the hopes of getting a huge new crop of Democratic voters -- along with something about multiculturalism and PC and white genocide, of course.

So when you point out the fact that Obama deported about 3 million illegals, and you're a fellow righty ... you see what I'm saying? You're a little off-message there. Republicans would prefer you post stuff like this:








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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:42 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:never mind at least we know most people agree with the op statement. and why not it a perfectly sensible statement to make.


Well, I agreed with the text it was adopted from. I told you I didn't agree with the premise that there are unchecked immigrants pouring across the border, and that's because you presented it as though it was something Trump said or released, while it was actually released before Obama took office.

Another thing, since we're still beating this horse -- you might want to compare notes with some American righties like IT. They (and Trump) have actually been trying to push the narrative that Obama left the borders undefended in the hopes of getting a huge new crop of Democratic voters -- along with something about multiculturalism and PC and white genocide, of course.

So when you point out the fact that Obama deported about 3 million illegals, and you're a fellow righty ... you see what I'm saying? You're a little off-message there. Republicans would prefer you post stuff like this:







I would suggest that if he deported 3 million, which he did then the problem of illegals is far bigger than just those 3 million or is it being suggested that he got them all?
another poster, suggested they were all criminals and about 5%, it may have been the same poster, cant remember, if it was 5 % then that would mean there are around 60million (or more) illegals currently residing in america. Mind you a poster on this thread compared mexicans to migrating elephants so it could all be bollox.

however I am not concerned by what a republicans, democrats or the man in the moon said, I only wanted to get an opinion on what the OP said. you have given yours, you agree with and are against it at the same time so at least we have cleared that up.

I imagine that some of the others here are still waiting to get the memo on how they think on this issue.
some will take a contrary view to anything I post.
so it is not surprising they cannot bring themselves to agree with the very reasonable statement.

but if that is the case then they should stand up and be counted and say they dont think illegals should be allowed and that those who employ then should face no sanctions, which would, in my view, be what someone who disagrees with the OP is ultimately saying no matter what weasel words or otherwise they employ.


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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:42 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I'm afraid there is no spanning the divide.  We are heading for another civil war.  I look around and all I see is hate, and hate returned.

Frankly, I'm OK with the result.  We Californians are the one's who could walk away with impunity...and probably Washington and Oregon.
yes you may be right, there certainly is nothing but hate emanating from the snowflakes out there.
shame its the ones they hate that have all the guns

That's one side of the picture. The other side is busy building a wall. Laughing

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:48 pm

Deean wrote:I would suggest that if he deported 3 million, which he did then the problem of illegals is far bigger than just those 3 million or is it being suggested that he got them all?
another poster, suggested they were all criminals and about 5%, it may have been the same poster, cant remember, if it was 5 % then that would mean there are around 60million (or more) illegals currently residing in america. Mind you a poster on this thread compared mexicans to migrating elephants so it could all be bollox.

however I am not concerned by what a republicans, democrats or the man in the moon said, I only wanted to get an opinion on what the OP said. you have given yours, you agree with and are against it at the same time so at least we have cleared that up.

I imagine that some of the others here are still waiting to get the memo on how they think on this issue.
some will take a contrary view to anything I post.
so it is not surprising they cannot bring themselves to agree with the very reasonable statement.

but if that is the case then they should stand up and be counted and say they dont think illegals should be allowed and that those who employ then should face no sanctions, which would, in my view, be what someone who disagrees with the OP is ultimately saying no matter what weasel words or otherwise they employ.

Tsk..tsk. Erm...when will they be eligible to vote?

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 8:07 pm

phil shiner wrote:
Deean wrote:I would suggest that if he deported 3 million, which he did then the problem of illegals is far bigger than just those 3 million or is it being suggested that he got them all?
another poster, suggested they were all criminals and about 5%, it may have been the same poster, cant remember, if it was 5 % then that would mean there are around 60million (or more) illegals currently residing in america. Mind you a poster on this thread compared mexicans to migrating elephants so it could all be bollox.

however I am not concerned by what a republicans, democrats or the man in the moon said, I only wanted to get an opinion on what the OP said. you have given yours, you agree with and are against it at the same time so at least we have cleared that up.

I imagine that some of the others here are still waiting to get the memo on how they think on this issue.
some will take a contrary view to anything I post.
so it is not surprising they cannot bring themselves to agree with the very reasonable statement.

but if that is the case then they should stand up and be counted and say they dont think illegals should be allowed and that those who employ then should face no sanctions, which would, in my view, be what someone who disagrees with the OP is ultimately saying no matter what weasel words or otherwise they employ.

Tsk..tsk.  Erm...when will they be eligible to vote?
who, the illegals? never, but as we know it is easy to get a voter registration card in america. you dont even need photo id. apparently because black people are too stupid to sort it out. not something I subscribe to, but seems to be the democrat stance.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 17, 2017 9:55 am

just in case you forgot

we all agree on the need to better secure the border and punish employers who chose to hire illegal immigrants, we are a generous and welcoming people in the united states but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law and they are showing disregard for those who are following the law.
We simply cannot allow people to pour into the united states, undetected, undocumented, unchecked and circumventing the line of people who are waiting patiently diligently and lawfully to become immigrants in this country

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:44 am

The Devil, You Know wrote:never mind at least we know most people agree with the op statement. and why not it a perfectly sensible statement to make.


And as seen, it still would be wrong, as I easily reasoned.
A consensus of views, does not make something correct, but it does show how desperate someone is on a debate, that they fail to offer substance and look towards opinion instead off a consensus view

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Thu Feb 23, 2017 6:35 pm

ok so you dont like the OP
then how about this one?

"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."




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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:17 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:ok so you dont like the OP
then how about this one?

"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."

Wrong at the premise.  Immigrants create jobs and become taxpayers.

The real question is, Why are you afraid?  Can't you measure up to the competition?

Laws are temporary, and can be changed.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:22 pm

Original Quill wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:ok so you dont like the OP
then how about this one?

"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."

Wrong at the premise.  Immigrants create jobs and become taxpayers.

The real question is, Why are you afraid?  Can't you measure up to the competition?

Laws are temporary, and can be changed.

They don't if they're illegal. At least, they shouldn't because they need a NI number, and proof that they're allowed to work here.

How do they create jobs anyway?

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:28 pm

They create jobs for the Police, who arrest loads of 'em.

Then our crap Judges let them go again.
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Post by Original Quill on Thu Feb 23, 2017 7:51 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Wrong at the premise.  Immigrants create jobs and become taxpayers.

The real question is, Why are you afraid?  Can't you measure up to the competition?

Laws are temporary, and can be changed.

They don't if they're illegal. At least, they shouldn't because they need a NI number, and proof that they're allowed to work here.

Nonsense.  Change the laws and they will be like everyone else.  "Should" is a judgment word.  There's no reasoning behind it.

Raggamuffin wrote:How do they create jobs anyway?

The same way the English, Scots, Irish, Italians, Poles, Swedes, and Asians did.  They pitch in and go to work.

You guys in Europe don't get it.  The immigration issue in America is aimed at one group, and only one: Hispanics. Within the next 20-years, Hispanics will become the largest demographic in America.  And it's a political thing...Hispanics are overwhelmingly anti-Republican in their political perspective.  Over the years, what with Republican racist tendencies toward all brown-skinned races, Hispanics have naturally gravitated toward the left.

Consequently, the Republican Party is dying in America...they know it, and we know it.  Keeping back Hispanics is one way that the Republicans buy just a little more time...maybe 20-years.  But they are already gone.  The largest state in the Union, California, is already overwhelmingly Hispanic.  Soon, Arizona, Texas (another huge state) and Colorado will become predominately Hispanic.  The spread out is inevitable.  Puerto Ricans are coming in from New York State.  Washington, Oregon, Missouri, Illinois, Indiana...the list goes on.  

Don't you get it now?  Hispanics would be just the next in a long chain of immigrants that have peopled the American homeland.  There's nothing wrong with them.  They just don't vote conservative...or Republican.

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Going to work isn't creating a job is it? It's just doing a job that someone else created.

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Raggamuffin wrote:Going to work isn't creating a job is it? It's just doing a job that someone else created.

An economy is inter-connected. An architect creates jobs for contractors, who create jobs for plumbers, electricians, and bricklayers, who create jobs for plumbing manufacturers, wire makers, brick makers, who create jobs for designers, tooling manufacturers, and miners. All of them create jobs for truckers, train men and shippers. The list goes on...

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The Devil, You Know wrote:ok so you dont like the OP
then how about this one?

"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."

Wrong at the premise.  Immigrants create jobs and become taxpayers.

The real question is, Why are you afraid?  Can't you measure up to the competition?

Laws are temporary, and can be changed.
so both statements are wrong then

you seem to have confused legal immigrants with illegal immigrants

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Post by nicko on Fri Feb 24, 2017 11:36 am

Immigrants create jobs and pay taxes, they might in your country,
Here they spend their time marching through towns and Cities waving flags and demanding we change our laws to fit in with theirs !

Before you say that's not true,it is the hard liners that kick up a fuss, the majority stay silent in their houses.
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nicko wrote:Immigrants create jobs and pay taxes, they might in your country,
Here they spend their time marching through towns and Cities waving flags and demanding we change our laws to fit in with theirs !

Before you say that's not true,it is the hard liners that kick up a fuss, the majority stay silent in their houses.


Point of order.
How many of the 7 million foreigners have you seen do this nicko?
Also, how many are even immigrants and not British born?
You seem to be casting many hard working immigrants there Nicko, based off I guess Islamists.
We also have Britain's First and the EDL march through towns demanding laws to be changed. Do you hold all British born people to the same standard as these two groups made up of British born people?
I mean considering there is 7 million foreign born people here and the majority are between the age bracket of 20-40. Even discounting some stay at home women, children and the elderly and unemployment is at 1.6 million. You are being very disingenuous towards where at least 5 million of them are working

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Thorin wrote:
nicko wrote:Immigrants create jobs and pay taxes, they might in your country,
Here they spend their time marching through towns and Cities waving flags and demanding we change our laws to fit in with theirs !

Before you say that's not true,it is the hard liners that kick up a fuss, the majority stay silent in their houses.


Point of order.
How many of the 7 million foreigners have you seen do this nicko?
Also, how many are even immigrants and not British born?
You seem to be casting many hard working immigrants there Nicko, based off I guess Islamists.
We also have Britain's First and the EDL march through towns demanding laws to be changed. Do you hold all British born people to the same standard as these two groups made up of British born people?
I mean considering there is 7 million foreign born people here and the majority are between the age bracket of 20-40. Even discounting some stay at home women, children and the elderly and unemployment is at 1.6 million. You are being very disingenuous towards where at least 5 million of them are working
you seem to be skirting round the issue and that is sharia. are you suggesting that sharia is not a threat to the british way of life. there are a very vocal minority, backed by a largely silent majority, who are working, and I use that term loosely, to ensure sharia law overrides UK law. Allowing any other type of laws to override UK law is the thin end of the wedge. Sharia law is not compatible with the  western way of life in any way, shape or form. It is oppressive.
those that want sharia should be given help to move to the islamic country of their choice.
If islamic countries want to implement sharia then that is their right, just as it is our right to stamp it out wherever it springs up in the UK. Labour and the tories have been to lax in allowing it's growth.

British law should be supreme in britain.

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Thorin wrote:


Point of order.
How many of the 7 million foreigners have you seen do this nicko?
Also, how many are even immigrants and not British born?
You seem to be casting many hard working immigrants there Nicko, based off I guess Islamists.
We also have Britain's First and the EDL march through towns demanding laws to be changed. Do you hold all British born people to the same standard as these two groups made up of British born people?
I mean considering there is 7 million foreign born people here and the majority are between the age bracket of 20-40. Even discounting some stay at home women, children and the elderly and unemployment is at 1.6 million. You are being very disingenuous towards where at least 5 million of them are working
you seem to be skirting round the issue and that is sharia. are you suggesting that sharia is not a threat to the british way of life. there are a very vocal minority, backed by a largely silent majority, who are working, and I use that term loosely, to ensure sharia law overrides UK law. Allowing any other type of laws to override UK law is the thin end of the wedge. Sharia law is not compatible with the  western way of life in any way, shape or form. It is oppressive.
If islamic countries want to implement sharia then that is their right, just as it is our right to stamp it out wherever it springs up in the UK. Labour and the tories have been to lax in allowing it's growth.

British law should be supreme in britain.


Where am I skirting around sharia in my post?
Never even mentioned this.
There are many things that are a threat to secular values.
Like the Far Right, the Far Left and religious ideologies.
No religious law should supersede British law, I made this very clear in this thread on any country.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19847-sweden-hate-speech-just-for-imams

So out of the 7 million foreigners, are you now claiming they are all Muslims?
You seem to only be concerned at one ideology, when I am critical of many

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Thorin wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
you seem to be skirting round the issue and that is sharia. are you suggesting that sharia is not a threat to the british way of life. there are a very vocal minority, backed by a largely silent majority, who are working, and I use that term loosely, to ensure sharia law overrides UK law. Allowing any other type of laws to override UK law is the thin end of the wedge. Sharia law is not compatible with the  western way of life in any way, shape or form. It is oppressive.
If islamic countries want to implement sharia then that is their right, just as it is our right to stamp it out wherever it springs up in the UK. Labour and the tories have been to lax in allowing it's growth.

British law should be supreme in britain.


Where am I skirting around sharia in my post?
Never even mentioned this.
There are many things that are a threat to secular values.
Like the Far Right, the Far Left and religious ideologies.
No religious law should supersede British law, I made this very clear in this thread on any country.

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19847-sweden-hate-speech-just-for-imams

So out of the 7 million foreigners, are you now claiming they are all Muslims?
You seem to only be concerned at one ideology, when I am critical of many
I am claiming that the biggest threat to the western way of life is from allowing sharia law a foothold in our country or any western country.
illiberals like you dont seem to understand that.


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Original Quill wrote:I'm afraid there is no spanning the divide.  We are heading for another civil war.  I look around and all I see is hate, and hate returned.

Frankly, I'm OK with the result.  We Californians are the one's who could walk away with impunity...and probably Washington and Oregon.
yes you may be right, there certainly is nothing but hate emanating from the snowflakes out there.
shame its the ones they hate that have all the guns

Let's see...a war between California and Alabama. Hmmm...tough choice. Evil or Very Mad

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yes you may be right, there certainly is nothing but hate emanating from the snowflakes out there.
shame its the ones they hate that have all the guns

Let's see...a war between California and Alabama.  Hmmm...tough choice.  Evil or Very Mad
yep, california would not stand a chance. there would not be enough safe spaces to cower in.

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Original Quill wrote:

Let's see...a war between California and Alabama.  Hmmm...tough choice.  Evil or Very Mad
yep, california would not stand a chance. there would not be enough safe spaces to cower in.

here piggy piggy.

Adjectives and pronouns have no force.  If you haven't got anything to say, or don't realize what others are saying, keep quiet and learn.

If the US dissolves into 50 different political entities--which appears to be the conservative 'state's rights' agenda--then California is going to do very well.  It is the 5th-largest economy in the world.  Moreover, any other state that stands with it is going to do very well also.

The inverse of that fact is, those states that stand against California will do very poorly.  Ironically, the money in the US social safety net flows from the wealthy states to the poor states, yet the poor states are southern states that oppose such assistance.

As John Stuart Mill said, I didn't say conservatives are always stupid, but that stupid people are always conservative.  Southern states are stupid, and look...they stand against their own interests: most in need of assistance, first to reject assistance.  Market economics is inevitably a win/lose game, so someone has to be the winner in this equation.  That would be California.

Anyone who thinks California can be eaten up by Alabama believes the tail can wag the dog.  If, under any circumstances, one assumes any kind of union of Alabama and California, trust me...California will end up controlling the union.  So enough with your idiotic theory that the weak can control the strong.

The strong are strong because they are healthy.  The weak are weak because they are not healthy.  New York and California are healthy; Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama are infirm and disabled.  New York and California are liberal.  Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are conservative.  So much for which ideology fosters good health.

Good health is strength; strength is dominance; dominance determines who will rule.  If we are going to break up into 50 individual states in a state's right movement...I'm the luckiest guy of all.

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yep, california would not stand a chance. there would not be enough safe spaces to cower in.

here piggy piggy.

Adjectives and pronouns have no force.  If you haven't got anything to say, or don't realize what others are saying, keep quiet and learn.

If the US dissolves into 50 different political entities--which appears to be the conservative 'state's rights' agenda--then California is going to do very well.  It is the 5th-largest economy in the world.  Moreover, any other state that stands with it is going to do very well also.

The inverse of that fact is, those states that stand against California will do very poorly.  Ironically, the money in the US social safety net flows from the wealthy states to the poor states, yet the poor states are southern states that oppose such assistance.

As John Stuart Mill said, I didn't say conservatives are always stupid, but that stupid people are always conservative.  Southern states are stupid, and look...they stand against their own interests: most in need of assistance, first to reject assistance.  Market economics is inevitably a win/lose game, so someone has to be the winner in this equation.  That would be California.

Anyone who thinks California can be eaten up by Alabama believes the tail can wag the dog.  If, under any circumstances, one assumes any kind of union of Alabama and California, trust me...California will end up controlling the union.  So enough with your idiotic theory that the weak can control the strong.

The strong are strong because they are healthy.  The weak are weak because they are not healthy.  New York and California are healthy; Louisiana, Mississippi, and Alabama are infirm and disabled.  New York and California are liberal.  Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama are conservative.  So much for which ideology fosters good health.

Good health is strength; strength is dominance; dominance determines who will rule.  If we are going to break up into 50 individual states in a state's right movement...I'm the luckiest guy of all.

hows about these apples then

https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasdelbeccaro/2017/02/22/ca-the-physical-collapse-of-a-social-state/#6d2e393f6bdb

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I've already answered that Forbes article over on the "California..." thread, in the US News section.

However, for convenience, here it is...

Original Quill wrote:Talk about faux news...search the whole story, and there's no substantiation.  It says...

Forbes wrote:Meanwhile, the basic infrastructure of the state, so necessary for the economy long and short term, is collapsing.

It's been comical watching the national news fuss so much over us.  But it's a myth...there is no evidence that any infrastructure is collapsing.  We have welcomed record rains, and our dams have held.  Our levies are fine.  The potholes are being filled.  Route 37 is back open.  The Interstates have been repaired.  Everything is completely restored here, two days after the rain stopped...no worries.

Certainly all over the country the Republican McConnell-Boehner doctrine (failure to enact legislation while the opposite party is in power)  has led to a deterioration of the infrastructure all over the country.  Bridges have fallen in Minnesota and Missouri. Trains have derailed in Pennsylvania.   Tornadoes have toppled schools in Texas.  Shit happens.

But hey...who better than California to pick up the slack left behind by the lazy Republicans?  California can afford it. It is the 5th largest economy in the world. There has not been even a dent in our ability to provide.  But can Alabama afford it?  Can South Carolina?  Those states go crying for federal help as soon as they get a speck of dust in their eye. I think they might be in trouble, but not California..

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Nothing to it.  Doin fine over here. Smile

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Original Quill wrote:

Let's see...a war between California and Alabama.  Hmmm...tough choice.  Evil or Very Mad
yep, california would not stand a chance. there would not be enough safe spaces to cower in.

here piggy piggy.

Laughing

Alabama !?!

Youu're a funny man, DYKnose..

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Original Quill wrote:I've already answered that Forbes article over on the "California..." thread, in the US News section.

However, for convenience, here it is...

Original Quill wrote:Talk about faux news...search the whole story, and there's no substantiation.  It says...



It's been comical watching the national news fuss so much over us.  But it's a myth...there is no evidence that any infrastructure is collapsing.  We have welcomed record rains, and our dams have held.  Our levies are fine.  The potholes are being filled.  Route 37 is back open.  The Interstates have been repaired.  Everything is completely restored here, two days after the rain stopped...no worries.

Certainly all over the country the Republican McConnell-Boehner doctrine (failure to enact legislation while the opposite party is in power)  has led to a deterioration of the infrastructure all over the country.  Bridges have fallen in Minnesota and Missouri. Trains have derailed in Pennsylvania.   Tornadoes have toppled schools in Texas.  Shit happens.

But hey...who better than California to pick up the slack left behind by the lazy Republicans?  California can afford it. It is the 5th largest economy in the world. There has not been even a dent in our ability to provide.  But can Alabama afford it?  Can South Carolina?  Those states go crying for federal help as soon as they get a speck of dust in their eye. I think they might be in trouble, but not California..

Don't believe everything you read on the Internet.

Nothing to it.  Doin fine over here. Smile
the oroville dam was a case in point. 12 years ago it was reported as being in urgent need of repair and california ignored it. Only blind luck stopped towns below it ending up under 100 feet of water. If a fraction that had been spent helping illegal immigrants had been spent on that dam then there would have been no need to evacuate 200000 people, if a fraction had been spent on building more reservoirs in california then LA would not need to take water from all over the state.California has been a one party state for donkeys years and should have been able to sort those problems out. They didn't


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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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yep, california would not stand a chance. there would not be enough safe spaces to cower in.

here piggy piggy.

Laughing

Alabama  !?!

Youu're a funny man,  DYKnose..

Once again, Deano shows us what a clueless little nong he really is..
I know you are intellectually challenged and I applaud your nurses for encouraging you to join in, but I would probably bet on those from alabama being able to kick the ass of the snowflakes in california anyday.
I am not sure they are more concerned about safe spaces in alabama than being able to hunt and fish and shoot down there.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Original Quill wrote:I've already answered that Forbes article over on the "California..." thread, in the US News section.

However, for convenience, here it is...



Nothing to it.  Doin fine over here. Smile

the oroville dam was a case in point. 12 years ago it was reported as being in urgent need of repair and california ignored it. Only blind luck stopped towns below it ending up under 100 feet of water.

Sorry to disappoint.  The Oroville dam held.  Granted, the Feather River behind it had a 100-year flood, but all is well.  There was a sink hole in the spillway, but the back-up spillway functioned perfectly.

Deeno wrote:If a fraction that had been spent helping illegal immigrants had been spent on that dam then there would have been no need to evacuate 200000 people, if a fraction had been spent on building more reservoirs in california then LA would not need to take water from all over the state.California has been a one party state for donkeys years and should have been able to sort those problems out. They didn't

Oh, I see...your resident Americans on Flap haven't understood the issues.  California is a sanctuary state, filled with sanctuary cities.  Know what 'sanctuary' means?  It means that the state, and the cities, refuse to spend a centavo on helping the federal government with it's discriminatory immigration policy.  So where is this money that comes from nowhere, being wasted?

Here is where your logic begins to fray.  Los Angeles takes water from all over the state because it has the most need...it is the second largest city in the Nation.  The Central California Aqueduct ships the water from the Sierras directly down to LA County.  Reservoirs would only hold things up and be a waste of time and money for that transfer.  So the money that isn't spent on rounding up immigrants, would otherwise go to building reservoirs that aren't needed??  Didn't think that one through, did you Dean?

Your RW story feeders over at Flap, who feed you arguments about America, are not real informed on that one.  What they have confused is the argument about the drought, on the one hand, and the Oroville Dam story on the other.  Listen closely:  If we build more reservoirs, we could store more water, reducing the consequences of the drought.  But that's the exact opposite logic as needed when the rain comes.  Just as drought is the opposite of rain, so reservoirs are the opposite of what is needed to get water to LA County.  Reservoirs answer to drought by storing water; they don't help get water southward.

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the oroville dam was a case in point. 12 years ago it was reported as being in urgent need of repair and california ignored it. Only blind luck stopped towns below it ending up under 100 feet of water.

Sorry to disappoint.  The Oroville dam held.  Granted, the Feather River behind it had a 100-year flood, but all is well.  There was a sink hole in the spillway, but the back-up spillway functioned perfectly.

Deeno wrote:If a fraction that had been spent helping illegal immigrants had been spent on that dam then there would have been no need to evacuate 200000 people, if a fraction had been spent on building more reservoirs in california then LA would not need to take water from all over the state.California has been a one party state for donkeys years and should have been able to sort those problems out. They didn't

Oh, I see...your resident Americans on Flap haven't understood the issues.  California is a sanctuary state, filled with sanctuary cities.  Know what 'sanctuary' means?  It means that the state, and the cities, refuse to spend a centavo on helping the federal government with it's discriminatory immigration policy.  So where is this money that comes from nowhere, being wasted?

Here is where your logic begins to fray.  Los Angeles takes water from all over the state because it has the most need...it is the second largest city in the Nation.  The Central California Aqueduct ships the water from the Sierras directly down to LA County.  Reservoirs would only hold things up and be a waste of time and money for that transfer.  So the money that isn't spent on rounding up immigrants, would otherwise go to building reservoirs that aren't needed??  Didn't think that one through, did you Dean?

Your RW story feeders over at Flap, who feed you arguments about America, are not real informed on that one.  What they have confused is the argument about the drought, on the one hand, and the Oroville Dam story on the other.  Listen closely:  If we build more reservoirs, we could store more water, reducing the consequences of the drought.  But that's the exact opposite logic as needed when the rain comes.  Just as drought is the opposite of rain, so reservoirs are the opposite of what is needed to get water to LA County.  Reservoirs answer to drought by storing water; they don't help get water southward.
the damn held but was within hours of total collapse. Only a break in the weather and being able to lower it 50 feet saved the day. something that almost caused the collapse by using the emergency spillway which was part of the problem.
the point you have avoided is that the warnings on the damn came 12 years ago and nothing was done because presumably the money wasn't available. Odd considering how well you say california is doing.
you seem obsessed as andwew with t'other place. Are you saying forbes is not a mainstream outlet.

how much is spent on illegal immigrants each year and how much has been spent on the oroville dam.

all californias problems can be put down to their one party state control.

I am glad you have shown you are in favour of criminals rather than the victims.

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"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
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It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."




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Deeno wrote:the damn held but was within hours of total collapse. Only a break in the weather and being able to lower it 50 feet saved the day. something that almost caused the collapse by using the emergency spillway which was part of the problem.

Meh...suppositions about states of affairs we'll never know.  It didn't happen.  The dam held, just like it was designed to do.  I suspect it was a bigger story on Good Morning America, than it was here on the spot.  It was what they call a slow news day.

The break in the weather was fully anticipated...and look, it materialized.  Anticipating the weather was what determined to rate of release down the spillway.  It was all calculated.  Frankly, all-in-all, things worked like clockwork.

Deeno wrote:the point you have avoided is that the warnings on the damn came 12 years ago and nothing was done because presumably the money wasn't available. Odd considering how well you say california is doing.
you seem obsessed as andwew with t'other place. Are you saying forbes is not a mainstream outlet.

Yes, this is another example of Republican obstructionism in Congress.  On October 17, 2005, environmental groups filed a motion with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, urging renovation of the emergency spillway.  Owing to the McConnell-Boehner doctrine, Republicans refused to pass any infrastructure spending legislation as long as a black man was president.  Now, under Trump, I expect they will do away with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission altogether.  Trump doesn't like public protection agencies.  Shame.

Forbes is to print media, what Faux News is to cable media.  It is representative of readers who have Republican expectations.  After all, it is a neo-capitalist magazine:

New York Times wrote:Forbes was conceived and built by the first generation — B. C. Forbes — but fully realized by the second. Malcolm Forbes was a media mogul in full, including a lifestyle replete with islands, palaces, ranches and private jets that embodied the brand. Under his reign, the Forbes formula of how to get/be/stay rich struck an aspirational note perfectly in tune with the times.

Deeno wrote:how much is spent on illegal immigrants each year and how much has been spent on the oroville dam.

Ask Republicans.  Californians refuse to participate in Federal Republican fascist round-up programs.  We like our neighbors.  The Federal ICE has a presence on the borders.  Let them take care of the counting.

Deeno wrote:all californias problems can be put down to their one party state control.

Problems?  In sunny California?  Perish the idea...lol.  Rolling Eyes  All of California's wealth, as well as it's many successes, can be put down to Democratic Party control.  All the rest of the country is in a complete mess, and here's California sailing under clear, blue skies.  Doesn't that make you wonder who's taking care of business?

Perhaps the rest of the country could take lessons.  They should send emissaries to study our successes.  The rest of the country is in a total mess because Republicans choose party over country...they choose not to take care of the nation as long as the other party has the executive power.  For ten years under the McConnell-Boehner doctrine the Republican Congress has obstructed any advancement into the 21st-century.  It's all down to Republican selfishness and racism.

You would think, what with such misery in areas of the south, plains and mid-west, that California would stand out like a beacon.  People should be asking, how do they do so well?  CalTrnns is a well-oiled machine, as are Cal Fish & Game, Cal Parks & Recreation, CHP, bridges and watershed management.  

We in California have recently moved into the position of fifth largest economy in the world, overtaking France...which, notice, is not just a state, but is a major European nation.  We are still moving up.  So what is our relationship with our own nation?  We don't go hat in hand to the feds whenever there's a bump in the road, like Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina.  We fix things first, and then work out the bill with the feds.  California is the one political entity that can deal equally, at arms-length with the federal government.  Think about that the next time you Europeans think about becoming the Republican lap dog.

Republicans and conservatives promote poverty and corruption through their policies of tax cuts for the rich and reduction of public protections; their view of politics is as a pig's trough--to down as much as they can before the neighbor--or indigestion--moves in.  Liberals and progressives view politics as an opportunity to fix things when they go wrong, and otherwise live peaceably under comfortable conditions.  That's how California does it...friendliness, responsibility and diligence.

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Deeno wrote:the damn held but was within hours of total collapse. Only a break in the weather and being able to lower it 50 feet saved the day. something that almost caused the collapse by using the emergency spillway which was part of the problem.

Meh...suppositions about states of affairs we'll never know.  It didn't happen.  The dam held, just like it was designed to do.  I suspect it was a bigger story on Good Morning America, than it was here on the spot.  It was what they call a slow news day.

The break in the weather was fully anticipated...and look, it materialized.  Anticipating the weather was what determined to rate of release down the spillway.  It was all calculated.  Frankly, all-in-all, things worked like clockwork.

Deeno wrote:the point you have avoided is that the warnings on the damn came 12 years ago and nothing was done because presumably the money wasn't available. Odd considering how well you say california is doing.
you seem obsessed as andwew with t'other place. Are you saying forbes is not a mainstream outlet.

Yes, this is another example of Republican obstructionism in Congress.  On October 17, 2005, environmental groups filed a motion with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission, urging renovation of the emergency spillway.  Owing to the McConnell-Boehner doctrine, Republicans refused to pass any infrastructure spending legislation as long as a black man was president.  Now, under Trump, I expect they will do away with the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission altogether.  Trump doesn't like public protection agencies.  Shame.

Forbes is to print media, what Faux News is to cable media.  It is representative of readers who have Republican expectations.  After all, it is a neo-capitalist magazine:

New York Times wrote:Forbes was conceived and built by the first generation — B. C. Forbes — but fully realized by the second. Malcolm Forbes was a media mogul in full, including a lifestyle replete with islands, palaces, ranches and private jets that embodied the brand. Under his reign, the Forbes formula of how to get/be/stay rich struck an aspirational note perfectly in tune with the times.

Deeno wrote:how much is spent on illegal immigrants each year and how much has been spent on the oroville dam.

Ask Republicans.  Californians refuse to participate in Federal Republican fascist round-up programs.  We like our neighbors.  The Federal ICE has a presence on the borders.  Let them take care of the counting.

Deeno wrote:all californias problems can be put down to their one party state control.

Problems?  In sunny California?  Perish the idea...lol.  Rolling Eyes  All of California's wealth, as well as it's many successes, can be put down to Democratic Party control.  All the rest of the country is in a complete mess, and here's California sailing under clear, blue skies.  Doesn't that make you wonder who's taking care of business?

Perhaps the rest of the country could take lessons.  They should send emissaries to study our successes.  The rest of the country is in a total mess because Republicans choose party over country...they choose not to take care of the nation as long as the other party has the executive power.  For ten years under the McConnell-Boehner doctrine the Republican Congress has obstructed any advancement into the 21st-century.  It's all down to Republican selfishness and racism.

You would think, what with such misery in areas of the south, plains and mid-west, that California would stand out like a beacon.  People should be asking, how do they do so well?  CalTrnns is a well-oiled machine, as are Cal Fish & Game, Cal Parks & Recreation, CHP, bridges and watershed management.  

We in California have recently moved into the position of fifth largest economy in the world, overtaking France...which, notice, is not just a state, but is a major European nation.  We are still moving up.  So what is our relationship with our own nation?  We don't go hat in hand to the feds whenever there's a bump in the road, like Georgia, Alabama, Mississippi or South Carolina.  We fix things first, and then work out the bill with the feds.  California is the one political entity that can deal equally, at arms-length with the federal government.  Think about that the next time you Europeans think about becoming the Republican lap dog.

Republicans and conservatives promote poverty and corruption through their policies of tax cuts for the rich and reduction of public protections; their view of politics is as a pig's trough--to down as much as they can before the neighbor--or indigestion--moves in.  Liberals and progressives view politics as an opportunity to fix things when they go wrong, and otherwise live peaceably under comfortable conditions.  That's how California does it...friendliness, responsibility and diligence.
you are delusional if you think there is not a problem with the oroville dam.
the use of the emergency spillway is what almost caused its collapse.

there have been problems with the dam for 12 years and because there hasn't been any rain the state government decided there wouldn't be any more rain so didn't address those problems. Had the towns below the dam ended up under 100 feet of water you would no doubt still be claiming there isn't a problem.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."




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what no one is going to have a go at the good old boy Bill because of his racist attitudes to johnny foreigner? It's pretty much what trump has said.

Perhaps you now understand why so many people think socialists are such utter hypocrites.

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The Devil, You Know wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:"We are a nation of immigrants.. but we are a nation of laws"
"Our nation is rightly disturbed by the large numbers of illegal aliens entering our country...
Illegal immigrants take jobs from citizens or legal immigrants, they impose burdens on our taxpayers...
It is wrong and ultimately self-defeating for a nation of immigrants to permit the kind of abuse of our immigration laws that has occurred in the last few years.. and we must do more to stop it."




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what no one is going to have a go at the good old boy Bill because of his racist attitudes to johnny foreigner? It's pretty much what trump has said.

Perhaps you now understand why so many people think socialists are such utter hypocrites.

Both Clinton and Obama were doing fine in limiting illegal entry of foreigners into our lands. They didn't need a wall.

That's why it makes no sense to build a wall. It will cost upwards of $30-billion, and accomplish nothing whatsoever. It is largely a symbolic gesture by a narcissistic minority-president, given to symbols and self-congratulation. Methinks he's insecure.

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Bill Clinton, the innovator of American Third Way politics, a socialist?

I guess that makes Obama a full-on Marxist?

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Ben Reilly wrote:Bill Clinton, the innovator of American Third Way politics, a socialist?

I guess that makes Obama a full-on Marxist?
oh look another of those right wing bastards wanting to stop illegal immigration

http://conservativetribune.com/harry-reid-video-illegal-aliens/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

anyone remember Immigration Stabilization Act of 1993

To curb criminal activity by aliens, to defend against acts of
international terrorism, to protect American workers from unfair labor
competition, and to relieve pressure on public services by
strengthening border security and stabilizing immigration into the
United States.


NOT A PEEP

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https://www.bostonglobe.com/news/politics/2017/01/26/when-wall-was-fence-and-democrats-embraced/QE7ieCBXjXVxO63pLMTe9O/story.html

democrats calling for a fence in 2006, a fence is a sort of wall isn't it?

Secure Fence Act of 2006

it is the framework that trump is using to build the wall.

NOT A PEEP when democrats propose it.

you can see why the words "utter hypocrites" apply so much to you, surely.

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