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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:31 am


A MOTHER who has illegally resided in the United States for two decades has been deported back to Mexico, sparking furious protests.

The case of Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, a mother-of-two children from Phoenix, Arizona, has become a cause worth fighting for among activist groups who believe Mr Trump’s approach to immigration is unfairly tearing apart countless families.

Her arrest prompted a raucous demonstration in downtown Phoenix earlier this week as protesters blocked enforcement vans from leaving a US immigration office. Seven people were arrested.

It came after Mr Trump signed a new executive order on January 25 called “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States”, and vowed to deport illegal aliens, with an emphasis on those with criminal histories.

The order is a dramatic extension of the Obama administration, which had prioritised the expulsion of undocumented immigrants who threatened national security, had ties to criminal gangs or were criminal offenders.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/motheroftwo-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-deported-to-mexico-under-trumps-new-law/news-story/3be18c3abbee180f5fd5736ccd624151


FROM ILLEGAL RESIDENCE TO DEPORTATION

Garcia de Rayos illegally moved from Mexico to the United States with her parents in the mid-1990s when she was 14.


The family snuck across the border into Nogales, Arizona, from an impoverished corner of the Mexican state of Guanajuato.

In 2008, she was arrested during a workplace raid at Goldland Sunsplash in Mesa, a suburb in Phoenix.

She was slapped with a level 6 felony after it was discovered she was using a fake Social Security number to remain employed.

Garcia de Rayos spent three months in a county jail, followed by three months in immigration detention.

Since her release, she has made eight visits to the immigration check-in in Phoenix.

After each meeting, she went back to her husband and family.

But this week was different. When Garcia de Rayos showed up for her check-in on Wednesday, she was detained by the authorities. Less than 24 hours later, she was deported to her native Mexico — handed over to Mexican authorities at a border crossing in Nogales, Arizona, at around 10am.

She wasn’t merely detained for being an illegal immigrant, but more specifically because she was one with a criminal record, despite being a nonviolent offender.

She was reportedly aware of her fate that potentially awaited her at her appointment, with activists and her own lawyer warning her.

But she decided to face the odds, in a move that would in part be a political statement.

Her lawyer, Ray Maldonado, claims she is a victim of the President’s tougher stance on illegal immigrants.

“I think this is a direct result of the new executive orders that are being put into actions by President Trump calling them ‘enhancing public safety,’ which really appears only to be attacking immigrant communities and people of colour,” he said.

“We’re living in a new era now, an era of war on immigrants.”

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:37 pm

veya_victaous wrote:

A MOTHER who has illegally resided in the United States for two decades has been deported back to Mexico, sparking furious protests.

The case of Guadalupe Garcia de Rayos, a mother-of-two children from Phoenix, Arizona, has become a cause worth fighting for among activist groups who believe Mr Trump’s approach to immigration is unfairly tearing apart countless families.

Her arrest prompted a raucous demonstration in downtown Phoenix earlier this week as protesters blocked enforcement vans from leaving a US immigration office. Seven people were arrested.

It came after Mr Trump signed a new executive order on January 25 called “Enhancing Public Safety in the Interior of the United States”, and vowed to deport illegal aliens, with an emphasis on those with criminal histories.

The order is a dramatic extension of the Obama administration, which had prioritised the expulsion of undocumented immigrants who threatened national security, had ties to criminal gangs or were criminal offenders.

http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/real-life/news-life/motheroftwo-guadalupe-garcia-de-rayos-deported-to-mexico-under-trumps-new-law/news-story/3be18c3abbee180f5fd5736ccd624151


FROM ILLEGAL RESIDENCE TO DEPORTATION

Garcia de Rayos illegally moved from Mexico to the United States with her parents in the mid-1990s when she was 14.


The family snuck across the border into Nogales, Arizona, from an impoverished corner of the Mexican state of Guanajuato.

In 2008, she was arrested during a workplace raid at Goldland Sunsplash in Mesa, a suburb in Phoenix.

She was slapped with a level 6 felony after it was discovered she was using a fake Social Security number to remain employed.

Garcia de Rayos spent three months in a county jail, followed by three months in immigration detention.

Since her release, she has made eight visits to the immigration check-in in Phoenix.

After each meeting, she went back to her husband and family.

But this week was different. When Garcia de Rayos showed up for her check-in on Wednesday, she was detained by the authorities. Less than 24 hours later, she was deported to her native Mexico — handed over to Mexican authorities at a border crossing in Nogales, Arizona, at around 10am.

She wasn’t merely detained for being an illegal immigrant, but more specifically because she was one with a criminal record, despite being a nonviolent offender.

She was reportedly aware of her fate that potentially awaited her at her appointment, with activists and her own lawyer warning her.

But she decided to face the odds, in a move that would in part be a political statement.

Her lawyer, Ray Maldonado, claims she is a victim of the President’s tougher stance on illegal immigrants.

“I think this is a direct result of the new executive orders that are being put into actions by President Trump calling them ‘enhancing public safety,’ which really appears only to be attacking immigrant communities and people of colour,” he said.

“We’re living in a new era now, an era of war on immigrants.”

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I must have missed the riots/demonstrations when Obama became deporter in chief.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/obamas-deportation-policy-numbers/story?id=41715661
here are some stats from ice for the deportations under obama's watch

https://www.ice.gov/removal-statistics/2016

Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law Fy2016-fig1

trump is not really doing much more than obama has done to around 3million people.


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Post by Original Quill on Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:56 pm

Dean wrote:I must have missed the riots/demonstrations when Obama became deporter in chief.

No, but you do miss the point.  Obama was quietly more efficient in righteous deportations--efficient as he was with many other things--but he was not as callous.

Obama was a champion of The DREAM Act (acronym for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors).  It was an humanitarian measure that would allow the parents of American citizens (by birth) to share in the child's Constitutional right to stay in America.

When it was not passed, owing to a Republican Congress, on June 15, 2012 President Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.   This EO is the background of these events.

Minority president Trump has shown he is willing to be the Gringe in this matter.  This story is about a mother of such a US citizen, now being deported.  The story is published to show how callous the Trump splinter of America is.  It only serves to highlight how humanitarian Dr. Obama was when he was in office.

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Dean wrote:I must have missed the riots/demonstrations when Obama became deporter in chief.

No, but you do miss the point.  Obama was quietly more efficient in righteous deportations--efficient as he was with many other things--but he was not as callous.

Obama was a champion of The DREAM Act (acronym for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors).  It was an humanitarian measure that would allow the parents of American citizens (by birth) to share in the child's Constitutional right to stay in America.

When it was not passed, owing to a Republican Congress, on June 15, 2012 President Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.   This EO is the background of these events.

Minority president Trump has shown he is willing to be the Gringe in this matter.  This story is about a mother of such a US citizen, now being deported.  The story is published to show how callous the Trump splinter of America is.  It only serves to highlight how humanitarian Dr. Obama was when he was in office.
he deported over 3 million people, the most of any president in us history. He was called the deporter in chief.

The point is the self righteous left seem perfectly ok with that.

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Original Quill wrote:
Dean wrote:I must have missed the riots/demonstrations when Obama became deporter in chief.

No, but you do miss the point.  Obama was quietly more efficient in righteous deportations--efficient as he was with many other things--but he was not as callous.

Obama was a champion of The DREAM Act (acronym for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors).  It was an humanitarian measure that would allow the parents of American citizens (by birth) to share in the child's Constitutional right to stay in America.

When it was not passed, owing to a Republican Congress, on June 15, 2012 President Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.   This EO is the background of these events.

Minority president Trump has shown he is willing to be the Gringe in this matter.  This story is about a mother of such a US citizen, now being deported.  The story is published to show how callous the Trump splinter of America is.  It only serves to highlight how humanitarian Dr. Obama was when he was in office.
he deported over 3 million people, the most of any president in us history. He was called the deporter in chief.

The point is the self righteous left seem perfectly ok with that.

If I may borrow this:

Quill wrote:No, but you do miss the point. Obama was quietly more efficient in righteous deportations--efficient as he was with many other things--but he was not as callous.

Obama was a champion of The DREAM Act (acronym for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors). It was an humanitarian measure that would allow the parents of American citizens (by birth) to share in the child's Constitutional right to stay in America.

When it was not passed, owing to a Republican Congress, on June 15, 2012 President Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT. This EO is the background of these events.

Minority president Trump has shown he is willing to be the Gringe in this matter. This story is about a mother of such a US citizen, now being deported. The story is published to show how callous the Trump splinter of America is. It only serves to highlight how humanitarian Dr. Obama was when he was in office.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:07 pm

If someone is in a country illegally, surely they must know that they could be deported.

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Raggamuffin wrote:If someone is in a country illegally, surely they must know that they could be deported.

The problem, Rags, is the woman is the mother of an infant US citizen. What kind of a heartless beast forces the issue of her deportation, when it also means the deportation of a US citizen.

Ironically, this could have happened to Trump himself. For a while his own mother was an illegal alien.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:19 am

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Raggamuffin wrote:If someone is in a country illegally, surely they must know that they could be deported.

The problem, Rags, is the woman is the mother of an infant US citizen.  What kind of a heartless beast forces the issue of her deportation, when it also means the deportation of a US citizen.

Ironically, this could have happened to Trump himself.  For a while his own mother was an illegal alien.
what heartless mother leaves her child behind?

I have a friend (not mexican) who has lived in america for 35 years and has residency there, but she had to flee becasue of an abusive husband who wanted to take her kids as an act of revenge. She has had to return as she was threatened with losing her residency, and she did everything legally and has 4 America children.

the thing is if you do something illegal you cant really complain when there are consequences.


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Raggamuffin wrote:If someone is in a country illegally, surely they must know that they could be deported.

The problem, Rags, is the woman is the mother of an infant US citizen.  What kind of a heartless beast forces the issue of her deportation, when it also means the deportation of a US citizen.

Ironically, this could have happened to Trump himself.  For a while his own mother was an illegal alien.

Shouldn't she have thought about that herself?

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Post by veya_victaous on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:22 pm

she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.

So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.

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Post by Guest on Sat Feb 11, 2017 10:27 pm

The definition of Irony

A country denying people the right to live based off an invented concept through the law. That people cannot come to better their lives within the US, deeming them illegal aliens. Where they face poverty and thus are rightly drawn to a nation where they can better their lives from oppression. Even though the US was born and grew off illegal immigration, settlements, subjugation, annexation and war. Which also has a monument, the "Statue of Liberty" that encapsulates universally liberty and freedom for all.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Feb 12, 2017 8:26 am

veya_victaous wrote:she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.

So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.

This isn't about Brits, but you just can't help yourself can you?

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Post by nicko on Sun Feb 12, 2017 9:33 am

He's not British, so hates being second best.
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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:17 pm

nicko wrote:
He's not British, so hates being second best.

Cool

"Second best" to who exactly,  nicko  ???

Britain exported her 'best and brightest' to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Hong Kong over the last 300 years;

Exhausted most of its natural resources over the past 2000 years;
Squandered all those riches you lot looted and pillaged from the 'colonies'..
And has watched it's empire, economy and military falling behind over the past century..

Tell  me again what you're #1 at ?
As it's certainly neither modesty nor facing up to reality..
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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:47 pm

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head wrote:I must have missed the riots/demonstrations when Obama became deporter in chief.

No, but you do miss the point.  Obama was quietly more efficient in righteous deportations--efficient as he was with many other things--but he was not as callous.

Obama was a champion of The DREAM Act (acronym for Development, Relief, and Education for Alien Minors).  It was an humanitarian measure that would allow the parents of American citizens (by birth) to share in the child's Constitutional right to stay in America.

When it was not passed, owing to a Republican Congress, on June 15, 2012 President Obama announced that his administration would stop deporting young undocumented individuals who match certain criteria previously proposed under the DREAM ACT.   This EO is the background of these events.

Minority president Trump has shown he is willing to be the Gringe in this matter.  This story is about a mother of such a US citizen, now being deported.  The story is published to show how callous the Trump splinter of America is.  It only serves to highlight how humanitarian Dr. Obama was when he was in office.
I am sure those deported felt so relieved that it was obama doing it.


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Raggamuffin wrote:If someone is in a country illegally, surely they must know that they could be deported.

The problem, Rags, is the woman is the mother of an infant US citizen.  What kind of a heartless beast forces the issue of her deportation, when it also means the deportation of a US citizen.

Ironically, this could have happened to Trump himself.  For a while his own mother was an illegal alien.
because none of the 3 million deported by obama has us kids did they

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veya_victaous wrote:she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.

So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.
isn't that what trump wants to do?

so 3 million of those illegals deported had committed violent crimes?

it's not a good advert for allowing illegals into a country is it.

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Thorin wrote:The definition of Irony

A country denying people the right to live based off an invented concept through the law. That people cannot come to better their lives within the US, deeming them illegal aliens. Where they face poverty and thus are rightly drawn to a nation where they can better their lives from oppression. Even though the US was born and grew off illegal immigration, settlements, subjugation, annexation and war. Which also has a monument, the "Statue of Liberty" that encapsulates universally liberty and freedom for all.
can you point to any countrys that dont have the invented concept of law.

Even animals have rudimentary laws and you are so fond of equating mexicans to animals as we already know.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:52 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
He's not British, so hates being second best.

Cool

"Second best" to who exactly,  nicko  ???

Britain exported her 'best and brightest' to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Hong Kong over the last 300 years;

Exhausted most of its natural resources over the past 2000 years;
Squandered all those riches you lot looted and pillaged from the 'colonies'..
And has watched it's empire, economy and military falling behind over the past century..

Tell  me again what you're #1 at ?
As it's certainly neither modesty nor facing up to reality..
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we we exported out worst criminals to australia, the best ones didnt get caught.

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
nicko wrote:
He's not British, so hates being second best.

Cool

"Second best" to who exactly,  nicko  ???

Britain exported her 'best and brightest' to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Hong Kong over the last 300 years;

Exhausted most of its natural resources over the past 2000 years;
Squandered all those riches you lot looted and pillaged from the 'colonies'..
And has watched it's empire, economy and military falling behind over the past century..

Tell  me again what you're #1 at ?
As it's certainly neither modesty nor facing up to reality..
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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.


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Thorin wrote:The definition of Irony

A country denying people the right to live based off an invented concept through the law. That people cannot come to better their lives within the US, deeming them illegal aliens. Where they face poverty and thus are rightly drawn to a nation where they can better their lives from oppression. Even though the US was born and grew off illegal immigration, settlements, subjugation, annexation and war. Which also has a monument, the "Statue of Liberty" that encapsulates universally liberty and freedom for all.
can you point to any countrys that dont have the invented concept of law.

Even animals have rudimentary laws and you are so fond of equating mexicans to animals as we already know.

Misdirection as the point is on irony and clearly ethically humans are the lowest form of animals, when it comes to sharing with its own species.
All humans are animals, that is a simple fact, you though equate this as if its an insult using the derogative form.
I never even made any such claim on Mexicans, you again present fake news, because you cannot even debate, but act like a child
Did you do biology at school?

Now grow the fuck up and counter the point made

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:12 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
veya_victaous wrote:she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.

So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.

This isn't about Brits, but you just can't help yourself can you?

yes it does cause You are British

Why do YOU say a 14 year old 'should have known' the consequences and should suffer the consequences 20 years later yet say a 14 year old Brit that squanders their access to education shouldn't have to suffer the lesser consequences of that 20 year later?

Hypocrite like I said Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:19 am

nicko wrote:He's not British, so hates being second best.

I don't think it terms of 'best'. there is a best in different category but no nation is without failings.

that is what is wrong with your opinions you think someone is 'best'
and then to be so vain and self promoting to say it's you.
One thing your can't denying being very poor at is Humility.
Once a valued British trait your lack of humility actually shows HOW FAR you have fallen from they days when the UK was a power and not a vassal Rolling Eyes

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Feb 13, 2017 12:33 am

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nicko wrote:
He's not British, so hates being second best.

Cool

"Second best" to who exactly,  nicko  ???

Britain exported her 'best and brightest' to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Hong Kong over the last 300 years;

Exhausted most of its natural resources over the past 2000 years;
Squandered all those riches you lot looted and pillaged from the 'colonies'..
And has watched it's empire, economy and military falling behind over the past century..

Tell  me again what you're #1 at ?
As it's certainly neither modesty nor facing up to reality..
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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.  


Care to remind us which branch of politics it is that tends to like selling off a nations resources to the highest bidder, head?

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Cool

"Second best" to who exactly,  nicko  ???

Britain exported her 'best and brightest' to America, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa and Hong Kong over the last 300 years;

Exhausted most of its natural resources over the past 2000 years;
Squandered all those riches you lot looted and pillaged from the 'colonies'..
And has watched it's empire, economy and military falling behind over the past century..

Tell  me again what you're #1 at ?
As it's certainly neither modesty nor facing up to reality..
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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.  

Laughing

You really are a pathetic fucking liar,  DYKbrain..

Where is your evidence to back up your lies that Oz is selling off its resources too fast ???
That outright lie on your part  just proves what an outright lying coward you are, dickhead..

Making up outrageous lies to  cover your weak position is the act of a lying craven coward..
You have no evidence to back your outright lies simply because there isn't any..


Not only did Britain run out of many of  it's natural resources 400 years ago, (hence the need to invade so many foreign countries),  Australia still has more mineral resources, more coal, and more iron ore, than Britain ever had.  Australia also has more Uranium than Russia and the US combined..

The only natural resource that Britain has more of, is deep rich quality soil for growing fruit and vege's  --  and even there, Britain isn't a scratch on France, Canada, the US, or especially Brazil..  Plus your guvm'nt hamstrung your farming sector by sending many of your best farmers over to Oz, New Zealand, Canada, during the 1800s..       Idea


Keep on hiding your military_shy fact_deficient fascist cowardly self away over there..
One day your criminal past will catch up to you, you weak little turd..

Your lack of education and knowledge, allied with your poor breeding, shines through in your hopeless efforts of upstaging your opponents on here, with you constantly tripping yourself up with hopelessy incompetent lies.

Having some of your weasel-mouthed handmaidens badmouth me on here won't help your lying, either - attempting to paint me as a "renown liar" won't work, turd-muncher --  because I'm calling you out here and now as the #1 outright fabricator of lies that you are  !         Arrow

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:38 am

Plus they maintain archaic farming traditions instead of moving toward industrialized farming.
it's like having a garment industry they still uses sewing needles instead of sewing machines

Australia punches well above it's weight on Agricultural exports as well as resources. Increasingly it is the 'premium quality' producer for Asian importers.
Our highly developed and controlled Agricultural standards are bringing dividends while Brittan is known for mad cow disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities
Australia appears 7 times UK only 2, and one of them is wool where the UK is 4th largest and Australia 2nd largest.
Squandering their advantage seem to be a new aspect of the British culture and economy. they do it in education, trade and agriculture.

Ohh and the best British Criminals are sitting in palaces and the house of lords, the stole entire nations while hanging the man stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad

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Idea

Most of the UK wool production comes out of Scotland -- and as most of that is coarse wool for carpets and coats, thay are of no competitive interest to Oz and NZ...

Even though Oz's sheep numbers and production were dropping for a while during the '80s and 90s, we still maintained our #1 position as the world's biggest wool exporter ( note here, that Russia is a big net importer of wool;  as is China (China has the highest number of sheep, but they also have the highest number of mills --  and imports wool from Oz and NZ..)..).


Australia is also the world's leading dryland farming technologists --  it was Oz who taught the likes of Israel and several Arab states how to more effectively farm their lands..
Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 1366281442         And Bill Mollinson --  famous as the co-developer of the world-renown Permaculture organic/sustainable farming systems, developed that stuff here in Oz..

P.A. Yeomans is anothet famous ag'innovator, with his development of the 'Keyline' water conservation and irrigation principles..

And of course, there's the Hawkesbury campus of the University of Western Sydney --  I know that place well..


DYKbrain, on the other hand, has shown himself here to be a completely clueless idiot --  making up crap on the run, and spouting lies upon lies, to attempt to cover up his total lack of knowledge on anything to do with economics, agriculture, mining, or world politics..

That drongo is a total fraud, a complete loss as a human being, and a snivelling traitor to his homeland...

Not only a total liar and a literary dunce (as demonstrated in his,failed attempt to quote Trump --  where he couldn't even produce a proper quote..), he has to make this crap up, to attempt and deflect from his failures, by piling more and more lies upon lies..       Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 3350646086

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Cool

FURTHER to DYKnose's incredibly desperate suite of transparently  idiotic lies above,  let's also note his frequent lovefest and enduring admiration on here for one of Britain's worst-ever Prime Ministers...

Back in the 1960s and '70s, Britain's horticultural and dairy industries were still thriving, with the UK in a prime position to cash in on their entry to the EEC..

True to form, however, Margaret Thatcher fucked over their farmers, just as badly as she did the coal industry, many small and medium sized factories, and large swathes of Britain's military.

And even now, we still see the snivelling little DYK cheering on Thatchers supposed "achievements" during the 1980s  !!!           Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 2190311264

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At least we still have cocks,  nicko...

More than can be said for those two little dickless wonders  DYK and No_Independent_Thoughts, after their piss-poor performances on here in recent days..

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nicko wrote:Andy has a bigger cock than any of us, I know, i'v seen it !
I might be well endowed, but at least I am not as big a knob as Dyk Head or IT.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:02 am

veya_victaous wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

This isn't about Brits, but you just can't help yourself can you?

yes it does cause You are British

Why do YOU say a 14 year old 'should have known' the consequences and should suffer the consequences 20 years later yet say a 14 year old Brit that squanders their access to education shouldn't have to suffer the lesser consequences of that 20 year later?

Hypocrite like I said Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

She wasn't 14 when she had a child was she? Are you suggesting that she knew she was in the US legally at that time?

What does a 14-year old Brit who squanders their access to education have to do with anything? Oh, that's right - nothing, but you just love to turn everything around to Brits in the end. The fact that I'm British has nothing to do with it either.

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Post by nicko on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:07 am

Raggs, can't argue with someone who has such a massive chip on his shoulder. Google "mistakes Australian Government has made"

That should shut him up if HE reads it.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:13 am

nicko wrote:Raggs,   can't argue with someone who has such a massive chip on his shoulder. Google "mistakes Australian Government has made"

That should shut him up if HE reads it.

It's just weird the way he turns everything around onto Brits/English people. If we were discussing Russia, he'd do the same thing. Laughing

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I also think that Wolfman should stop being so personal about DYK - it's getting out of hand.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Feb 13, 2017 9:57 am

nicko wrote:Raggs,   can't argue with someone who has such a massive chip on his shoulder. Google "mistakes Australian Government has made"

That should shut him up if HE reads it.

Laughing

Afraid not,  nicko...

That article is simply a far-right-wing puff piece..

See my longer reply, on your other comments elsewhere, re: that article..

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 13, 2017 10:07 am

veya_victaous wrote:she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.


So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.


I think that's the crux of the whole thing; the woman was only 14 when brought here herself.
Surely there should be flexibilty when dealing with individual cases?

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veya_victaous wrote:she migrated to the USA with HER parents when she was 14, 20 years ago

So she was a minor when she migrated.


So if the decisions a parent makes for their 14 year old should be allowed to do this and the negative impact to a family is seen as Fine, then how can you defend Lazy ass Brits that squander their opportunities for education and Now are so useless then can be replaced with uneducated unskilled semi literate migrants?

You are hypocrites and Devil is a moron too cause Obama ONLY deported ones with Violent crimes.


I think that's the crux of the whole thing; the woman was only 14 when brought here herself.
Surely there should be flexibilty when dealing with individual cases?
if she came legally all those years ago she certainly has had time to become a citizen.

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Raggamuffin wrote:I also think that Wolfman should stop being so personal about DYK - it's getting out of hand.
what do you expect from polly parrot, he's seen the bigger boys doing and wants to be in the gang.

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I might be well endowed, but at least I am not as big a knob as Dyk Head or IT.
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At least we still have cocks,  nicko...

More than can be said for those two little dickless wonders  DYK and No_Independent_Thoughts, after their piss-poor performances on here in recent days..

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veya_victaous wrote:Plus they maintain archaic farming traditions instead of moving toward industrialized farming.
it's like having a garment industry they still uses sewing needles instead of sewing machines

Australia punches well above it's weight on Agricultural exports as well as resources. Increasingly it is the 'premium quality' producer for Asian importers.
Our highly developed and controlled Agricultural standards are bringing dividends while Brittan is known for mad cow disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_producing_countries_of_agricultural_commodities
Australia appears 7 times UK only 2, and one of them is wool where the UK is 4th largest and Australia 2nd largest.
Squandering their advantage seem to be a new aspect of the British culture and economy. they do it in education, trade and agriculture.

Ohh and the best British Criminals are sitting in palaces and the house of lords, the stole entire nations while hanging the man stealing a loaf of bread to feed his family Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad Evil or Very Mad
australia is asset stripping its resources and will have none in 100 years.

what is planned for the kimberleys is outrageous.

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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.  


Care to remind us which branch of politics it is that tends to like selling off a nations resources to the highest bidder, head?
all that have massive black holes to fill left by the previous governments.
but it wont ever be the liberals will it.

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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.  

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You really are a pathetic fucking liar,  DYKbrain..

Where is your evidence to back up your lies that Oz is selling off its resources too fast ???
That outright lie on your part  just proves what an outright lying coward you are, dickhead..

Making up outrageous lies to  cover your weak position is the act of a lying craven coward..
You have no evidence to back your outright lies simply because there isn't any..


Not only did Britain run out of many of  it's natural resources 400 years ago, (hence the need to invade so many foreign countries),  Australia still has more mineral resources, more coal, and more iron ore, than Britain ever had.  Australia also has more Uranium than Russia and the US combined..

The only natural resource that Britain has more of, is deep rich quality soil for growing fruit and vege's  --  and even there, Britain isn't a scratch on France, Canada, the US, or especially Brazil..  Plus your guvm'nt hamstrung your farming sector by sending many of your best farmers over to Oz, New Zealand, Canada, during the 1800s..       Idea


Keep on hiding your military_shy fact_deficient fascist cowardly self away over there..
One day your criminal past will catch up to you, you weak little turd..

Your lack of education and knowledge, allied with your poor breeding, shines through in your hopeless efforts of upstaging your opponents on here, with you constantly tripping yourself up with hopelessy incompetent lies.

Having some of your weasel-mouthed handmaidens badmouth me on here won't help your lying, either - attempting to paint me as a "renown liar" won't work, turd-muncher --  because I'm calling you out here and now as the #1 outright fabricator of lies that you are  !         Arrow
you dont know much about your own country do you polly.

ever heard of the kimberleys .

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:22 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
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yep britian has a long and varied history, however australia is selling off its resources at a far faster pace than britian and will have little left in 100 years, but that wont bother you as you throw another raw prawn on the barbie will it. you will be long dead when australia has nothing left to sell.  

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You really are a pathetic fucking liar,  DYKbrain..

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Keep on hiding your military_shy fact_deficient fascist cowardly self away over there..
One day your criminal past will catch up to you, you weak little turd..

which branch of the military are you hoping to join when you leave school. Not sure the girl guides count.,

now


would that sort of abuse above be allowed now, just wish to find out if I can take the brakes off?
polly want a cracker.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:28 pm

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Idea

Most of the UK wool production comes out of Scotland -- and as most of that is coarse wool for carpets and coats, thay are of no competitive interest to Oz and NZ...

Even though Oz's sheep numbers and production were dropping for a while during the '80s and 90s, we still maintained our #1 position as the world's biggest wool exporter ( note here, that Russia is a big net importer of wool;  as is China (China has the highest number of sheep, but they also have the highest number of mills --  and imports wool from Oz and NZ..)..).


Australia is also the world's leading dryland farming technologists --  it was Oz who taught the likes of Israel and several Arab states how to more effectively farm their lands..
Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 1366281442         And Bill Mollinson --  famous as the co-developer of the world-renown Permaculture organic/sustainable farming systems, developed that stuff here in Oz..

P.A. Yeomans is anothet famous ag'innovator, with his development of the 'Keyline' water conservation and irrigation principles..

And of course, there's the Hawkesbury campus of the University of Western Sydney --  I know that place well..


DYKbrain, on the other hand, has shown himself here to be a completely clueless idiot --  making up crap on the run, and spouting lies upon lies, to attempt to cover up his total lack of knowledge on anything to do with economics, agriculture, mining, or world politics..

That drongo is a total fraud, a complete loss as a human being, and a snivelling traitor to his homeland...

Not only a total liar and a literary dunce (as demonstrated in his,failed attempt to quote Trump --  where he couldn't even produce a proper quote..), he has to make this crap up, to attempt and deflect from his failures, by piling more and more lies upon lies..       Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 3350646086

http://www.news.com.au/finance/australia-is-selling-off-inheritance/news-story/b9cd431df527e019eb6a65901dd16cf4

http://www.abc.net.au/lateline/content/2012/s3617233.htm

much of those resources are now in chinese hands

china does not to invade country's anymore, it just buys them and is happening everywhere.

please dont try and get holier than thou polly parrott when your country is being bought up wholesale and your resources shipped out to china.

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FURTHER to DYKnose's incredibly desperate suite of transparently  idiotic lies above,  let's also note his frequent lovefest and enduring admiration on here for one of Britain's worst-ever Prime Ministers...

Back in the 1960s and '70s, Britain's horticultural and dairy industries were still thriving, with the UK in a prime position to cash in on their entry to the EEC..

True to form, however, Margaret Thatcher fucked over their farmers, just as badly as she did the coal industry, many small and medium sized factories, and large swathes of Britain's military.

And even now, we still see the snivelling little DYK cheering on Thatchers supposed "achievements" during the 1980s  !!!           Mother-of-two Americans deported to Mexico under Trump’s new law 2190311264
do you know what happened at that time, we joined the EEC.

britain pre thatcher was the sick man of europew, we were ruled by strikes and unelected union leaders who would bring whole companies to a standstill because the wrong person had changed a lightbulb.
Post thatcher britiain was transformed and regained some pride in itself.
Little girls like you will never take that away from britains greatest peacetime prime minister.
the fact that the illiberals hate her with a passion is testament to the good she did.

Like most people she got some things wrong, but by a wide margin britain should be eternally grateful for maggie.
there has not been a PM since who comes close.




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Post by The Devil, You Know on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:34 pm

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My cock is bigger than your cock, Laughing  

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At least we still have cocks,  nicko...

More than can be said for those two little dickless wonders  DYK and No_Independent_Thoughts, after their piss-poor performances on here in recent days..

(Insert pic' of 'Andy's avatar here..).
and I am sure one day you will get to try yours out on a lady or gent of your choice, until then though

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