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Post by eddie on Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:14 am

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Firstly my own disclaimer: this is a Katie Hopkins article in the Daily Mail (horrid paper), so I'm not sure how much of it is true....a lot of 'parent hearsay'.
I'm putting this here for discussion as I think it's rather interesting:


KATIE HOPKINS: Schools are supposed to teach kids HOW to think for themselves, not WHAT to think. So why are so many liberal teachers bullying and brain-washing children with their own intolerant views?

Are you sitting comfortably, children? Then I have a creative task for you. Tell me, is this poem from the Bush era, still relevant today?

'When the president talks to god

Does he ever think that maybe he's not?

That that voice is just inside his head

When he kneels next to the presidential bed

Does he ever smell his own bulls**t When the president talks to god.

I doubt it. I doubt it.'

This, ladies and gentlemen, is what is being taught in British schools. Teachers asking children to think about Trump and his bulls**t. And whether he smells it.

Do they smell their own I wonder? I doubt it, I doubt it.

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Thirteen-year-old children were given this poem in a 'creative writing task', and were asked to imagine 'how Trump would react'


Another teacher made protest banners with her class of twelve-year-olds (I repeat: twelve-year-olds) which she took along to the protest against Trump outside Westminster.

She even had a pathetic picture taken to commemorate the occasion.

Tell me: would you be happy if this was the teacher of your twelve-year-old?

Even as my suspicions have been growing about the indoctrination of our young children by so-called liberals, so has the number of stories arriving in my inbox.

Worried parents whose little kids come home repeating opinions they have been taught in school, rather than lessons, wondering how they should talk to the school about it without getting their kids into trouble.

Children being taught that Trump is a bad man and a racist. That Brexit is wrong. That the correct answer is Clinton.

A young man aged 17 from Hertfordshire was ostracised from his politics class for daring to admit he supported Trump. He was told by the teacher to have 'less strong views' and was isolated by his class.

Eventually he dropped the subject completely because no one would sit with him or talk to him.

A child isolated for his opinion and hounded for his views.  

Another worried mother, Rachel from Solihull recounts that her eight-year-old came home from primary school and asked her why she liked Trump when he is a racist and hates women.

And then this from a mum in Bournemouth

'My seven-year-old daughter came home from school saying she had been learning Donald Trump's job is to take care of all the people but he doesn't because he is a nasty evil man.

'I asked her why, and she said ... in school they had been shown a newspaper of a little girl holding up a sign saying 'not my President' because Trump had held a book and sworn to take care of all people but he lied.

'Because American people don't have newspapers, they cannot see what a horrible man he really is and what he is really like. And a lady wanted to be president and she actually got more votes than him. But they still let him win. And that's not fair.'


Much more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4194048/KATIE-HOPKINS-liberal-brainwashing-schools.html#ixzz4XwsKYiqC


This was pinned to a classroom wall by a teacher. I think it holds a lovely message actually but is it too political for children?

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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:12 pm

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"...Suck, suck your teenage thumb. Toilet trained and dumb. When the power runs out. We'll just hum..."

How many teenagers do you know, Tommy?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:31 pm



Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?

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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?

How many teenagers do you know, Tommy?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:17 pm

Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?



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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?



How are you managing to think Tommy? What makes you decide that they can think any less independently, than you? They have a fresher brain than you and they are open to more ways of finding information - you are older and jaded and already fading in your ability to change your views.

What makes you think you're better equipped to to think independently?

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Post by nicko on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:15 pm

What makes you think you are?
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Post by eddie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:23 pm

nicko wrote:What makes you think you are?

I never said I was. I don't presume I know more than a whole generation of people, Tommy does. Perhaps you asked the wrong person.

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Post by Guest on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:55 pm

nicko wrote:What makes you think you are?

I will easily reason Nicko, why Eddie is beyond question, far better equipped to think independently, compared to Tommy.

Eddie is driven by a will to succeed, no matter what is thrown in front of her path.
No matter how challenging the problem maybe, she has that will to succeed.
A positive attribute, second to none.

Whilst Tommy, is perpetually controlled by his own fears and prejudices.
That means he is side blinded.
A negative attribute, that will constantly plague him.

Now Eddie, is most of all able to listen, no matter even if its something she does not want to hear. Someone like me, being a right royal pain in her arse, by challenging her views. She may not like them and even at times become frustrated with me or angry, but she will still listen to me. No matter if it challenges the very core of her beliefs.

Tommy cannot do that and why as seen on this thread, he has evaded countless points made to him. Its the self defeating sinking Battleship methodology being played by him. That is he is going down, he will attempt to bring everyone else down with him. I do not need to tell you about people like this in history, completely unable to admit they might be wrong. If you do not believe me Nicko. Ask any German alive today, who in April 1945, was being led by such a mentality, of refusing to admit he could be wrong. Where even more so, was determined, to bring everyone else down with them.

Tommy does not offer a way forward in thinking, but one that is driven backwards. Eddie sees hope in everything. Even when we clash over views around things to help cancer. Where she is best, cutting aside any differences, and being able to listen to any new idea, that may combat cancer. As she still retains her faith in other natural remedies. It allows Eddie to broaden her views. Where as Tommy restricts and limits what he will even listen to.

It does not matter whether Tommy believes Eddie or not on the stories around her son at school. Tommy could witness what Eddie had said, with his own eyes and still not believe. He has  a wall, that will not allow anything through his shield, unless it can adsorb the same prejudices. I do not even need to believe Eddie or not here. What we see ourselves see, is governed also by what we believe. It takes some to be able to pull off these blinkers and allow ourselves to be able to see truly for the first time. That is why I will listen to Tommy myself, until he applies the sinking ship method, as he switches on child mode, as he is doing here.

What you should ask yourself is why is Tommy challenging Liberal values, Nicko.?

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

Ask yourself why Tommy, would not want to live in such a society run this way?
It would thus be one, where peoples lives were instead controlled.
He plays off where illiberals do not adhere and conflict with the above and blames Liberalism, because he simple is not listening. As he is controlled and ruled by his own fears.

Now, apologies for going on about two posters, but you did ask.

Eddie is better equipped here.

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:12 am

Excellent post didge. But you forgot one important detail- it doesn't matter that tommy doesn't know any real teenagers, teachers, climate scientists, gay people, Muslims etc- because the Daily Mail tells him everything he needs to know about life and how it is ruined by those people.

Seriously though, tommy, you're are being outright disrespectful in telling eddie she's wrong here. It's her son and her son's school, what on earth could you know about this? Let alone thinking you know more than eds herself does.

You obviously have a lousy opinion of both students and the education system, yet another example of perpetual and misplaced negativity for no other reason than being stuck in your own echo chamber.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:18 am

Eilzel wrote:Excellent post didge. But you forgot one important detail- it doesn't matter that tommy doesn't know any real teenagers, teachers, climate scientists, gay people, Muslims etc- because the Daily Mail tells him everything he needs to know about life and how it is ruined by those people.

Seriously though, tommy, you're are being outright disrespectful in telling eddie she's wrong here. It's her son and her son's school, what on earth could you know about this? Let alone thinking you know more than eds herself does.

You obviously have a lousy opinion of both students and the education system, yet another example of perpetual and misplaced negativity for no other reason than being stuck in your own echo chamber.


Not the Mail, but his messiah, Pat Condell.

lol!


Thanks Eilzel, but in his defense, its not disrespectful. To not believe she is right. As that is a slippery slope there buddy. We should always be critical of anything, even when its based on stories used as evidence. What is far more important, is for him to understand, that he may actually be wrong sometimes. That he could be mistaken, which he is unwilling to do. I agree he has a lousy opinion of students, but is that any different to his opinion on just about any other group. That does not fit into the world imagined by Tommy?

Sad really, how his negative emotions control him.

Once again thanks, and great post yourself.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?





Eddie... you didn't answer the question....




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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:23 am

Wow thank you didge. I think you were completely spot on about Tommy in his thinking here, he is simply just stuck on a loop. I like Tommy, I like that he challenges and stands up for what he believes in - even though I don't agree with him often at all.
You made some good points, I've no idea if what you said about me is true, I'd certainly like to think so, so thank you again.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:24 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?





Eddie... you didn't answer the question....





Interesting and shows why you cannot understand Tommy, as to why she will know if they are formulating their own ideas.

What is more important is do you know what that is, as to how she would know?

Lets see if you know.

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:25 am

It's not disrespectful to say you don't agree with someone's opinion, I agree.

But to effectively tell someone the teenagers they know (including eds own son) are NOT as free thinking as they think they are is pretty appalling, especially since they don't know those people themselves.

His general opinion of students isn't disrespectful though, just a result of years of anti-youth anti-education narratives from the awful media.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:27 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?



Eddie... you didn't answer the question....


Oh I think you'll find I did. In the little paragraphs I've left scattered like breadcrunks on this thread Tommy, follow those and see the whole gingerbread cottage.
I answered you and I've just answered you again and that's despite of the fact you never answered my question that was posed to you, twice:

How many teenagers do you know, Tommy?

That's thrice. I like the number three, perhaps you may answer it now, as a favour to me.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?





Eddie... you didn't answer the question....





Still waiting...



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Tommy Monk wrote:

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?

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Post by eddie on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:33 am

eddie wrote:
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Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?



Eddie... you didn't answer the question....


Oh I think you'll find I did. In the little paragraphs I've left scattered like breadcrunks on this thread Tommy, follow those and see the whole gingerbread cottage.
I answered you and I've just answered you again and that's despite of the fact you never answered my question that was posed to you, twice:

How many teenagers do you know, Tommy?

That's thrice. I like the number three, perhaps you may answer it now, as a favour to me.

Tommy you're really trying my patience.

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:38 am

eddie wrote:Wow thank you didge. I think you were completely spot on about Tommy in his thinking here, he is simply just stuck on a loop. I like Tommy, I like that he challenges and stands up for what he believes in - even though I don't agree with him often at all.
You made some good points, I've no idea if what you said about me is true, I'd certainly like to think so, so thank you again.


You are welcome Eddie

Its true what i said, you may not see this, but you have these traits.
What he fails to see is why you recognize why people can formulate their own ideas.
They will do as you do, and open the door both ways, to views and ideas, even if its ones that you may not even like. Tommy's door is always firmly shut and barring anyone from entering, unless they meet his requirements. That is why he cannot recognize or even see where people can think for themselves, if they hold opposing views. Now I know Tommy can actually think for himself. Sadly he keeps on denying himself the ability to do so. Not always, but mostly. When his negative emotions cloud his judgement. 

The only way Tommy knows how to deal with issue's is to attempt to pus them away. You see it in his debate, when he sometimes gets agitated. When he has no reasoned argument. He then fires off misdirection, to attempt to rattle his opponent. If he could truly recognize people being able to formulate their own ideas and never question whether you can yourself. As he contradicts himself over you on this very same thing. As you have formulated your own ideas. As you generally do not judge a person for their views, but for their actions.

Nobody can actually teach that trait. Its not governed by any emotion. You know that people can make mistakes. You then look to see if they learn from them, but are still more often than not, at least willing to give them a try. Its thus not judging a book by its cover, but whats found and play out within the pages of that book. You also know that each chapter ends, and a new start to another chapter has begun. You look forwards, he looks backwards.


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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:39 am

Eilzel wrote:It's not disrespectful to say you don't agree with someone's opinion, I agree.

But to effectively tell someone the teenagers they know (including eds own son) are NOT as free thinking as they think they are is pretty appalling, especially since they don't know those people themselves.

His general opinion of students isn't disrespectful though, just a result of years of anti-youth anti-education narratives from the awful media.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?





Eddie... you didn't answer the question....

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Post by Eilzel on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:42 pm

You didn't answer hers.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:44 pm

I asked first and am still waiting for an answer...

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:50 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I asked first and am still waiting for an answer...


Actually I asked you questions first, many of which you failed to answer, even on the previous page.
So you are in no position to hound Eddie over answering your question, when you constantly avoid answering yourself.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:10 pm

Thorin wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I asked first and am still waiting for an answer...


Actually I asked you questions first, many of which you failed to answer, even on the previous page.
So you are in no position to hound Eddie over answering your question, when you constantly avoid answering yourself.


Prove it!!!



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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:15 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Actually I asked you questions first, many of which you failed to answer, even on the previous page.
So you are in no position to hound Eddie over answering your question, when you constantly avoid answering yourself.


Prove it!!!



Do you want me to bump all the posts of questions posed to you and where you failed to respond to them?


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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:16 pm

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Maybe the teacher should have been showing the video of democrat president bill clinton telling the world how he did not have sexual relations with the woman who he had sexual relations with...!?



So you want to combine current history with infidelity in regards to a poem, that has zero connection?

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:16 pm

Thorin wrote:
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I wonder what would have happened if one of the class had declared that they thought trump was great and was in support of the building of the wall on border with Mexico, and supported the travel ban on the 7 countries, and supported the tougher action in deporting illegal immigrants etc...?


lol!


I'm sure those views would have been given the same 'freedom and equality' that the others were...


Maybe you can show where the questions asked of the students reflect that?
Or are you also so despate to deflect Tommy?
So ok, you are a teacher. Explain, how Trump thinks its okay to grab a pussy? To your students?

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:16 pm

Thorin wrote:
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Suggestion is a powerful influence...


Usa pres election has nothing to do with uk eu referendum.


And I bet my summary of the class debate is 100% accurate.



Suggestion?

Are you saying you were brainwashed at school Tommy and now cannot think for yourself?

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:17 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:What has usa pres election got to do with uk eu referendum...?




When democracy is abused..

Show me in the poem lesson, and the other picture where it asked this Tommy?

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:17 pm

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No... they were not discussing/exploring the topic of politics... they were having a very controlled teacher led guided tour round the leftie/liberal/progressive thought garden...


And I can imagine just how it went... Trump and brexit are bad cos they are both racist... Muslims are great and loads more mass immigration must be allowed because anything else is racist and just like the Nazis etc...


How was it controlled?

Not sure how controlled something is when you ask students to place themselves in the position of a President.

So by your reasoning, you must think Muslims are bad Tommy?

Is that correct?

Based on bad ideas, should we be worried about you?

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:18 pm

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You are just confirming that a certain pc/leftie/liberal/'progressive' way of thinking is being enforced on children...

Enforced?

British values, are based on Liberal values and secularism.
Please show me where they are not.

Equality
Free speech
Freedom of expression
Civil Rights
Civil Liberties
Human rights
Political freedoms
Open Society
Democracy
Ect

How is that a PC agenda? This is what the Uk system is based on.

It seems you would be more at home with something more totalitarian.
Something like sharia law maybe?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:24 pm

I tend to ignore your irrelevant and spurious waffle Didge...


However I was engaged in a direct debate with eddie over the subject of class discussions of politics... to which I am still waiting for a direct answer to a direct and relevant question...

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:29 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I tend to ignore your irrelevant and spurious waffle Didge...


However I was engaged in a direct debate with eddie over the subject of class discussions of politics... to which I am still waiting for a direct answer to a direct and relevant question...


Which translates as "you are unable to respond, because you have no idea as to what you are talking about

You are engaged in nothing more than being a child here.

Everytime you hound her, on this, I will hound you to answer the countless questions you avoided, because you simply have no idea how to.

I can play you at your own childish game

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:31 pm

I actually fail to see what is wrong here.

A poem has been presented.

No views are expressed on the poem, just questions.

Views are asked to have the students use empathic intelligence on what might the present President might think of this poem.

It also asks if the poem is relevant too today. (a hint, this poem, may not have been written recently, it was from the Bush)

The teacher is asking the students to be critical in their thinking..

Teaching students is making them think critically.

It does not ask whether they agreed with the poem.

So what can someone show me what brainwashing is going on, when its just a very immature poem presented and asking students to critically think?

The other picture if you look, is posted on an event wall.

Its claimed its too political?

How exactly?

If anything is trying to teach children, that all students are accepted and welcome.

Its attempting to combat poor stereotypes.

How is that political?

Its teaching equality and can someone tell me what is wrong with that?

I thought American society was based on equality and Liberal values, like secularism, welcome people from all walks of life? True secularism, is allowing for all people to express their views.

How is that different in any other school?

Now if a teacher was being really political. They would not be asking questions, but giving their own biased and demeaning view. In each picture I see none of these claims made.

Many points and questions for Tommy to attempt to answer.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:I tend to ignore your irrelevant and spurious waffle Didge...


However I was engaged in a direct debate with eddie over the subject of class discussions of politics... to which I am still waiting for a direct answer to a direct and relevant question...



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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:39 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:I tend to ignore your irrelevant and spurious waffle Didge...


However I was engaged in a direct debate with eddie over the subject of class discussions of politics... to which I am still waiting for a direct answer to a direct and relevant question...



Which translates as "you are unable to respond, because you have no idea as to what you are talking about

You are engaged in nothing more than being a child here.

Everytime you hound her, on this, I will hound you to answer the countless questions you avoided, because you simply have no idea how to.

I can play you at your own childish game



I actually fail to see what is wrong here.

A poem has been presented.

No views are expressed on the poem, just questions.

Views are asked to have the students use empathic intelligence on what might the present President might think of this poem.

It also asks if the poem is relevant too today. (a hint, this poem, may not have been written recently, it was from the Bush)

The teacher is asking the students to be critical in their thinking..

Teaching students is making them think critically.

It does not ask whether they agreed with the poem.

So what can someone show me what brainwashing is going on, when its just a very immature poem presented and asking students to critically think?

The other picture if you look, is posted on an event wall.

Its claimed its too political?

How exactly?

If anything is trying to teach children, that all students are accepted and welcome.

Its attempting to combat poor stereotypes.

How is that political?

Its teaching equality and can someone tell me what is wrong with that?

I thought American society was based on equality and Liberal values, like secularism, welcome people from all walks of life? True secularism, is allowing for all people to express their views.

How is that different in any other school?

Now if a teacher was being really political. They would not be asking questions, but giving their own biased and demeaning view. In each picture I see none of these claims made.

Many points and questions for Tommy to attempt to answer.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:45 pm

Tommy Monk said...
Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

Eddie said...
No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame
.

Tommy Monk said...
Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?



Eddie... you didn't answer the questions....


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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:46 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk said...
Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

Eddie said...
No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame
.

Tommy Monk said...
Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?



Eddie... you didn't answer the questions....


I actually fail to see what is wrong here.

A poem has been presented.

No views are expressed on the poem, just questions.

Views are asked to have the students use empathic intelligence on what might the present President might think of this poem.

It also asks if the poem is relevant too today. (a hint, this poem, may not have been written recently, it was from the Bush)

The teacher is asking the students to be critical in their thinking..

Teaching students is making them think critically.

It does not ask whether they agreed with the poem.

So what can someone show me what brainwashing is going on, when its just a very immature poem presented and asking students to critically think?

The other picture if you look, is posted on an event wall.

Its claimed its too political?

How exactly?

If anything is trying to teach children, that all students are accepted and welcome.

Its attempting to combat poor stereotypes.

How is that political?

Its teaching equality and can someone tell me what is wrong with that?

I thought American society was based on equality and Liberal values, like secularism, welcome people from all walks of life? True secularism, is allowing for all people to express their views.

How is that different in any other school?

Now if a teacher was being really political. They would not be asking questions, but giving their own biased and demeaning view. In each picture I see none of these claims made.

Many points and questions for Tommy to attempt to answer.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:52 pm


I'm not interested in your spam wall of waffle Didge... I am interested in Eddie's answer to my question...

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Post by Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:55 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
I'm not interested in your spam wall of waffle Didge... I am interested in Eddie's answer to my question...


For one she has answered, read back

Second, I am just doing what you are doing and clearly you do not like it.

I am happy you cannot respond to my points, as it proves you are gutless.

It also further proves, you cannot respond to sound reasoning

Now please continue to sulk, but I suggest you stop spamming, as Eddie can see for herself you repeating yourself. It does not need to be the latest post for her to see you are spamming questions she originally answered.

Now I suggest you grow up

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:59 pm

Tommy Monk said...
Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

Eddie said...
No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame
.

Tommy Monk said...
Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?



Still waiting...

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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:36 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Tommy Monk said...
Eddie... just admit it... your sons 'politics debate' was just a teacher led controlled airing of leftie views, where all roads led to 'brexit and trump are bad'...

Eddie said...
No Tommy. I just think you're actually ultra-paranoid and I also know that you have absolutely no concept of intelligent 15 and 16 year olds now. All the information they gather and read and digest are off the Internet so they have a huge variety of opinion to choose from. This isn't a generation that watches the news.
I have many of these clever young creatures eating round my dinner table on any given night and their intelligence, knowledge on world affairs  and fairness, would put you to shame
.

Tommy Monk said...
Do you really believe that the ones you know are actually formulating any of the (seemingly big/intelligent) ideas/opinions themselves, that you hear them expressing...?

Are the ones you know really intelligent or just repeating stuff they have heard in their social media echo chambers to try to sound clever...?



Eddie... you didn't answer the questions....

Yep. I surely did.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:48 am


So what was your answer...?


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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:48 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
So what was your answer...?


Oh my god you're simply not listening.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:01 am

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:
So what was your answer...?


Oh my god you're simply not listening.


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TOMMY'S  processing this thread in much the same way that he does with 'Climate Change' topics...

Whenever he receives an answer that he doesn't like, his brain simply refuses to admit this new information --  and then his autonomic "denial reflex" action response (akin to the body's automatic gag, choke and blink reflexes..) kicks in, resulting in him endlessly repeating his "answer the question" mantra..

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:18 am

Idea

TOMMY has pretty well proven on here that he knows nothing about either children, nor the education system in general -- no real surprise from a science-failing dropout like him...

Not only do I seriously doubt that Tommy has any children, I now also doubt that he has a wife --  or even a job -- so no actual ties to hold him back..

Considering how much poor little Tommykins detests his own homeland, and appears to have such a poor regard for genuine British values --  maybe the little turdster should consider exporting himself to a more suitable locale ?

Maybe one of those despotic little fascist regimes in Eastern Europe would be more to his liking --  some little white supremacist village in Hungary or Lithuania springs to mind..

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:23 am

I'm all ears eddie... but I'm still not sure what your answer is/was...

For reason of clarity, would you be so kind as to repost/restate your answer for me...?



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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 11, 2017 3:23 am

Well. Curiosity killed the cat and I'm curious sweetie pie. I've had a couple of whiskys and I will be charming and acquiescing.

What, exactly, in all of my rambling shite, have you not understood?
Ask me a direct question Tommy, just one, and I will do my very best to answer you.

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