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Post by Independent Thoughts on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:33 pm


But we cannot let ourselves off the hook so easily, not as progressives, not as Democrats. The excuses end now! There are some in the Democratic Party who urge caution ... They say this is just a tactical problem. We need better data. We need better social media. We need better outreach. We need better talking points.

"Better talking points"? Are you kidding me? People are so desperate for economic change in this country that Donald Trump was just inaugurated as president, and people think we just have a messaging problem?
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) at the Congressional Progressive Caucus retreat in Baltimore
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/elizabeth-warren-congressional-progressives_us_5895e6b5e4b0406131373015


I'm not a fan of Warren or her message, but I have to admit that she is smarter than Pelosi.  At least Warren can identify and acknowledge that the Democratic party is broken and out of touch.  The fact she's trying to spark a conversation about it also tells me that she's proactively trying to connect with the people and be a better representative to them.  Again, while I'm not a Warren supporter, I do believe that she would be good for the Democratic party's survival and rehabilitation.  Pelosi is just more of the same political machine.  As far as she and the other Democrat elitists are concerned, the problem isn't with the party --- the problem is that voters are too stupid to realize and appreciate their greatness.  


House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) pushed back on the notion the Democratic Party was “out of touch” with average Americans in response to comments made by Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-Mass.) during an interview Sunday on NBC News’ “Meet the Press.”

Pelosi, who has served in the House since 1988, took issue with Warren’s depictions of a severely out-of-touch party in need of desperate revitalization. During a speech delivered Saturday at the Progressive Congress Strategy Summit in Baltimore, Warren demanded her Party “grow a backbone” and implement immediate and sweeping reconstruction.

Does the Democratic Party need new leaders to touch base on this stuff?” host Chuck Todd asked Pelosi. “Whether it’s Hillary Clinton, yourself, [Senate Minority Leader] Chuck Schumer — you’ve all be in power a long time. And there was a rejection of that in the 2016 election. Do you accept that?”

But Pelosi was unwilling to agree with Warren and admit that the Party needed new leadership across the board.

Although Pelosi attempted to deflect Todd's line of questioning throughout the interview and focus on the flaws she perceives that exist within the Republican Party, Todd kept bringing the conversation back to Warren's comments.

And Todd called Pelosi out when she insisted that Warren focused on the "messaging problem" and not the Party's need for fresh leadership and substantive policy changes.

"It's not about a new set of talking points. It's actually about policies that aren't working for those folks," Todd said.

"Well, they, it, we — but they have," Pelosi stammered in response. "What — let's see the record."

But Pelosi's brief review of "the record," which was comprised of one example of the Democrats leading the effort to bail out the auto industry when Republicans cautioned against it, quickly devolved into further Republican bashing as Pelosi deflected.

"The record is that — what did we do? We bailed out the auto industry, saving so many jobs, millions, when you take the indirect increase in jobs in that area," Pelosi said. "The Republicans, at the time, said this would be interfering with the free market system if we bailed out the auto industry. They were on their heels. They're now on top of the world."

It didn't take long for Todd to give up on Pelosi.

"I'm going to leave it right there," Todd concluded.
http://www.lifezette.com/polizette/dem-civil-war-pelosi-fires-back-warren/

(Video of interview at source)

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:46 pm

Not even Warren goes far enough, really. The jobs that the Trump voters are expecting will not be coming back -- they're being done by robots and suicidal Chinese people now.

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(Chinese factory with suicide-prevention nets)

What they need to do is begin what will surely be a long and arduous process of selling the American people on the idea that, now that the old economy they so dearly miss is dead, we are going to need to overhaul our education system, create a massive infrastructure maintenance project to employ people who can only do physical labor, and greatly expand the social safety net in order to afford average Americans a chance at success or at least a life of dignity.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:46 pm

The kind of economic change that Warren calls for is not the same as what Republicans are talking about.  Warren is giving a Bernie Sanders message about all the money ending up in the 1% hands, the bill ending up in the 99% hands.

Trump seems to think that there are bad economic time in the US.  Nothing could be further from the truth.  There are 'help wanted' signs all over the place, including banners hanging from local US Post Offices.  In truth, Obama has left us in the best of economic times.

Trump appears to be taking his cue off of his argument that NAFTA and trade agreements have taken jobs overseas.  That's got to mean that employment is down.  The reality of 'good times' is inconsistent with that message, so in Trump's inimitable fashion he makes up his own reality.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:07 pm

I cannot believe a company had to add suicide-prevention nets to their building!

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Mon Feb 06, 2017 7:17 pm

@OQ
The narrative you present is the reason why the Democrats lost.  People are hurting out there, and instead of acknowledging it and working towards solutions, Democrats tried to paint a happy face on a dying economy and convince everyone that their life wasn't as bad as they were feeling.  Lol.  "Listen to me.  That pain doesn't hurt as much as you feel it hurting you."

The economy sucks.  It's sucked for the past 10 years.  Obama left us with the lowest workforce participation rate in decades.  GDP never hit 3% --- he's the first president to never hit 3%.  And he had 8 years!!  The US poverty rate hit its all-time high under Obama's watch, and the number of people on welfare also hit its all-time high under his watch.  Do these sound like indicators of a flourishing economy?  I think not.

Warren needs to get on a larger platform and get some support behind her message.  Otherwise, the Democrats can expect another Trump victory in 4 years.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:31 pm

eddie wrote:I cannot believe a company had to add suicide-prevention nets to their building!

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Abuses: With the pressure to produce toys in time for Christmas, factory workers in China are forced to work long hours and sleep in the factory

They are not allowed to talk or listen to music, are forced to eat substandard meals from the factory cafeterias, have no bathroom breaks during their shifts and must clean the toilets as discipline, according to the NLC.

The workers also sleep on site, in factory dormitories, with 14 workers to a room. They must buy their own mattresses and bedding, or else sleep on 28in-wide plywood boards. They 'shower' with a sponge and a bucket.

Samsung also came under fire last month after it was claimed that employees at one of its suppliers are made to work up to 16 hours a day, with only one day's rest a month.

The claim will pile pressure on the South Korean electronics giant to address working practices after it admitted excessive overtime and fines for employees in China.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2245066/Real-Toy-Story-The-Chinese-factory-workers-forced-sleep-factory-floors.html

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:36 pm

2012 Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, on the Chinese factory his company Bain Capital bought:


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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:45 pm

Oh my god. There were people who want to work there despite the crappy conditions??

Why is this still happening?


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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 07, 2017 2:09 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:@OQ
The narrative you present is the reason why the Democrats lost.  People are hurting out there, and instead of acknowledging it and working towards solutions, Democrats tried to paint a happy face on a dying economy and convince everyone that their life wasn't as bad as they were feeling.  Lol.  "Listen to me.  That pain doesn't hurt as much as you feel it hurting you."

The economy sucks.  It's sucked for the past 10 years.  Obama left us with the lowest workforce participation rate in decades.  GDP never hit 3% --- he's the first president to never hit 3%.  And he had 8 years!!  The US poverty rate hit its all-time high under Obama's watch, and the number of people on welfare also hit its all-time high under his watch.  Do these sound like indicators of a flourishing economy?  I think not.

Warren needs to get on a larger platform and get some support behind her message.  Otherwise, the Democrats can expect another Trump victory in 4 years.

Ahah...but Democrats did not lose. That's an argument with misplaced causation. The electoral college does not determine popularity or prosperity. The simple fact is that economic fortune abounds, and it is as a result of Obama. The Dow is up over 20,000, and Obama brought unemployment down from over 10% to 4.2%. At every juncture he's made the precise right moves for success.

And what do you give us? GDP? GDP is a measure of the level of prices of all new, domestically produced, final goods and services in an economy. It's not a measure of how people are doing. Given today's distribution of wealth, it's really a measure of how the wealthy are doing.

Again, you are talking about trade and relative strength between nations, not the well-being of individuals. I've just gotten through exposing the fact that Trump takes his argument from the losses from trade agreements...not from how real people are dong. We need less nuggets like GDP--jingles and catch-phrases--and more real thinking through of the process.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:10 am

Lord Independent Thoughts wrote:@OQ
The narrative you present is the reason why the Democrats lost.  People are hurting out there, and instead of acknowledging it and working towards solutions, Democrats tried to paint a happy face on a dying economy and convince everyone that their life wasn't as bad as they were feeling.  Lol.  "Listen to me.  That pain doesn't hurt as much as you feel it hurting you."

The economy sucks.  It's sucked for the past 10 years.  Obama left us with the lowest workforce participation rate in decades.  GDP never hit 3% --- he's the first president to never hit 3%.  And he had 8 years!!  The US poverty rate hit its all-time high under Obama's watch, and the number of people on welfare also hit its all-time high under his watch.  Do these sound like indicators of a flourishing economy?  I think not.

Warren needs to get on a larger platform and get some support behind her message.  Otherwise, the Democrats can expect another Trump victory in 4 years.

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Your figures are basically bullshit,  I/T    !!!!


Unemployment in the USA is the lowest in more than a decade --  it peaked between 10 and 15 years ago,  under GWB;

Again the poverty rate peaked under GWB  --  it's around 40% lower, at the end of Obama's run;

Welfare rates are pretty flat --  it's an outright lie on your part they peaked within the past 8 years..

The stock market last year was at its' highest since the GFC..


You can keep on peddlingmyour outright lies as much as you like,  but the stat's simply don't support your trash-talking teabagger nonsense !           Pelosi vs Warren: When Democrats Attack! 3350646086

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