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Post by eddie on Sun Feb 05, 2017 7:53 pm

A A petition to cancel Donald Trump’s state visit to the United Kingdom has amassed over one and a half million signatures, signed by those who object to restrictions the president has imposed on those traveling to the U.S. from seven Muslim-majority countries.

The petition acknowledges the inevitability of Trump visiting the UK “in his capacity as head of the U.S. government” but demands that no invitation to make an official state visit should be extended to him as “it would cause embarrassment to the Queen.”

Now the re-surfacing of tweets that Trump sent back in 2012 about the Queen’s granddaughter-in-law, the Duchess of Cambridge, have only added fuel to the fire.

The tweets were sent in response to pictures of Kate Middleton sunbathing topless while on vacation in France; they were taken with a long-lens camera and published in the French magazine Closer, against which Kate and Prince William later took legal action.

“Who wouldn’t take Kate’s picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing,” Trump tweeted. “Come on Kate!”
He added, “Kate Middleton is great—but she shouldn’t be sunbathing in the nude—only herself to blame.”

The five-year-old tweets could certainly make a potential conversation with Queen Elizabeth II awkward, and protestors argue that the president should be denied the ceremony of a meeting with the queen.

Trump has also said that he could have had sex with Diana, Princess of Wales—making the comments only a few days after the princess’s death in 1997.

Radio host Howard Stern asked him, “You could have got her, right? You could’ve nailed her.”

“I think I could have,” said Trump—seemingly unaware that one day his comments would have serious repercussions for any potential meeting with Britain’s head of state in his capacity as president of the U.S.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:24 pm

16 Muslim countries ban entry to Jews... and it is illegal in Saudi Arabia to openly practice Christianity!


If kate wants to sunbathe top less then there will be photographers all too happy to take pics of her and sell on to the highest bidder...


Diana did a lot of sleeping around... if there is any embarrassment being caused... then it will be her behaviour that caused it...

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Feb 06, 2017 1:13 am

Strict father ethic, tommy...you and Trump: reward and punishment. Bad, bad daughter...

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 2:36 am

Rolling Eyes

This is what the world has come to expect from Путин Америки, unfortunately !!!


Not only is he sleazy, amoral and lude;  but a total fuckwit as well...

Topless isn't "nude", by any definition..

Except for braindead turds and his like-minded 'born again' boosters.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:30 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:16 Muslim countries ban entry to Jews

Not true, some Muslim countries ban entry to Israeli citizens (of any religion) but not to anybody based on religion. Most predominantly Muslim countries have Jewish minority citizens as well.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 5:45 pm

scratch

Why is Tommy trying to deflect and misdirect here ???

Is he so enamoured with justifying the Dumpster's pecadilloes, that at every turn we see if jumping to the Don's defence like this..

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:25 pm

[quote="eddie"]

He should never have been invited by the queen in the first place....I hope the state visit IS cancelled.
Let him make his own arrangements to come here if he wants to....the man is an utter disgrace,

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 07, 2017 12:05 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:16 Muslim countries ban entry to Jews

Not true, some Muslim countries ban entry to Israeli citizens (of any religion) but not to anybody based on religion. Most predominantly Muslim countries have Jewish minority citizens as well.


And trumps ban was all citizens of those 7 countries... not just the Muslims...


Funny how some want to talk about detail one way but wilfully ignore it other times...

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Post by Ben Reilly on Tue Feb 07, 2017 3:28 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:16 Muslim countries ban entry to Jews

Not true, some Muslim countries ban entry to Israeli citizens (of any religion) but not to anybody based on religion. Most predominantly Muslim countries have Jewish minority citizens as well.


And trumps ban was all citizens of those 7 countries... not just the Muslims...


Funny how some want to talk about detail one way but wilfully ignore it other times...

He said it was to stop "radical Islamic terrorism" so it's obvious it was aimed at Muslims, which is a violation of the US constitution. I'm glad he did it; makes him easier to impeach.

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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:03 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:

Not true, some Muslim countries ban entry to Israeli citizens (of any religion) but not to anybody based on religion. Most predominantly Muslim countries have Jewish minority citizens as well.

And trumps ban was all citizens of those 7 countries... not just the Muslims...

Funny how some want to talk about detail one way but wilfully ignore it other times...

The ban is on all Muslims, save some significant exceptions.  The nations excepted are all countries like Egypt and Saudi Arabia, where Trump properties have business interests.  In addition, of course, Saudi Arabia has oil, which is hugely of interest to America.

The proof is in the pudding, tommy.  Trump carved out religious exceptions in the ban...notably no ban would be imposed on Christians, even from the banned nations.  If that isn't identifying religions for exceptional treatment, what is?  It's a clear violation of the Establishment Clause.

Then, if the ban is a "Travel ban" and not a ban on Muslims, why isn't it a ban on travel from those nations which have admittedly exported terrorism to the US directly: Germany, Belgium and France?  15 of the 19 terrorists who brought down the World Trade Center and Pentagon on 9/11, flew into the US directly from Germany.  If the answer is a Wall against next door neighbors, then Germany, Belgium and France are the next door neighbors to our airport connection with Europe.

Finally, if the ban is not a "Muslim ban", why did Trump tweet that it was a ban on Muslims at the inception?  In a legal proceeding we would call that an open admission...Trump, as so-called president, is a legitimate agent of the US:

Mardindale.com wrote:Under Rule 801, [of the Federal Rules of Evidence] admissions of a party-opponent are [open admissions and] are not hearsay.  One type of admission by a party opponent is a statement by an agent of the party-opponent.  According to Rule 801(d)(2)(D), a statement is not hearsay if it is offered against a party and was made by "the party's agent or servant concerning a matter within the scope of the agency or employment, made during the existence of the relationship." Emphasis added.

Travel ban my ass.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 07, 2017 6:53 pm

The ban was on all from those countries...



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Tommy Monk wrote:The ban was on all from those countries...

No, as I understand it, he wanted to except Christians:

The New York Times wrote:In an executive order that he said was part of an extreme vetting plan to keep out “radical Islamic terrorists,” Mr. Trump also established a religious test for refugees from Muslim nations: He ordered that Christians and others from minority religions be granted priority over Muslims.

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Tommy Monk wrote:The ban was on all from those countries...

No, as I understand it, he wanted to except Christians:

The New York Times wrote:In an executive order that he said was part of an extreme vetting plan to keep out “radical Islamic terrorists,” Mr. Trump also established a religious test for refugees from Muslim nations: He ordered that Christians and others from minority religions be granted priority over Muslims.


From the 7 countries listed... the ban was on all...!

Your quote from article is not referring to those countries.

Although I suspect that you already knew that all too well...!



But while we're on the subject... given the extreme persecution and brutality that many non Muslims are subjected to from considerable numbers of Muslims in Muslim countries, surely it can only be a good/right thing for a civilised nation (like USA) to recognise this, and try to help make sure that those who are genuinely most seriously at risk/in danger/in need, are the ones who are most likely to be helped and helped first...!?


Some of you may not be aware of (or have conveniently 'forgotten') the very real and very barbaric/brutal levels of pain and suffering that some people are being subjected to every day in Muslim countries, by Muslims... simply for not being Muslims...!!!


It's a bit like offering priority help to Jews fleeing Nazi death camps in ww2...



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Post by Original Quill on Tue Feb 07, 2017 8:40 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

No, as I understand it, he wanted to except Christians:




From the 7 countries listed... the ban was on all...!

Your quote from article is not referring to those countries.

Although I suspect that you already knew that all too well...!

But while we're on the subject... given the extreme persecution and brutality that many non Muslims are subjected to from considerable numbers of Muslims in Muslim countries, surely it can only be a good/right thing for a civilised nation (like USA) to recognise this, and try to help make sure that those who are genuinely most seriously at risk/in danger/in need, are the ones who are most likely to be helped and helped first...!?

Some of you may not be aware of (or have conveniently 'forgotten') the very real and very barbaric/brutal levels of pain and suffering that some people are being subjected to every day in Muslim countries, by Muslims... simply for not being Muslims...!!!

It's a bit like offering priority help to Jews fleeing Nazi death camps in ww2...

The problem is, anytime you make an exception based upon religious grounds, you are in trouble with the First Amendment Establishment Clause. If the other guy makes a thing of a religion, and the US gives relief generally, then they are only relieving the effects of oppression and persecution. But if the US establishs a class for special consideration in your own program, as Trump has done, he is establishing a special class based upon religion.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:38 pm

Could you post up the 'first ammendment clause' you are referring to for me please?



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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Feb 07, 2017 9:56 pm

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A A petition to cancel Donald Trump’s state visit to the United Kingdom has amassed over one and a half million signatures, signed by those who object to restrictions the president has imposed on those traveling to the U.S. from seven Muslim-majority countries.

The petition acknowledges the inevitability of Trump visiting the UK “in his capacity as head of the U.S. government” but demands that no invitation to make an official state visit should be extended to him as “it would cause embarrassment to the Queen.”

Now the re-surfacing of tweets that Trump sent back in 2012 about the Queen’s granddaughter-in-law, the Duchess of Cambridge, have only added fuel to the fire.

The tweets were sent in response to pictures of Kate Middleton sunbathing topless while on vacation in France; they were taken with a long-lens camera and published in the French magazine Closer, against which Kate and Prince William later took legal action.

“Who wouldn’t take Kate’s picture and make lots of money if she does the nude sunbathing thing,” Trump tweeted. “Come on Kate!”
He added, “Kate Middleton is great—but she shouldn’t be sunbathing in the nude—only herself to blame.”

The five-year-old tweets could certainly make a potential conversation with Queen Elizabeth II awkward, and protestors argue that the president should be denied the ceremony of a meeting with the queen.

Trump has also said that he could have had sex with Diana, Princess of Wales—making the comments only a few days after the princess’s death in 1997.

Radio host Howard Stern asked him, “You could have got her, right? You could’ve nailed her.”

“I think I could have,” said Trump—seemingly unaware that one day his comments would have serious repercussions for any potential meeting with Britain’s head of state in his capacity as president of the U.S.


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And the future Queen of England getting her tits out isn't? She knew what her status was by that time, and knowing the media being what they are, and the history of future Royalty being compromised by said shots, you'd have thought she'd have had more decorum.
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Post by Vicar of Dibley (vod) on Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:36 pm

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And the future Queen of England getting her tits out isn't?   She knew what her status was by that time, and knowing the media being what they are, and the history of future Royalty being compromised by said shots, you'd have thought she'd have had more decorum.


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Post by eddie on Wed Feb 08, 2017 3:49 pm

Well I think that's debatable - shouldn't she be entitled to some privacy?
And this isn't about her showing her paps to the papers, this is about Trump tweeting about it like it's normal for a man in his position to tweet about stuff like that.

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Post by Original Quill on Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:10 pm

Donald J. Golden Showers should get his own house in order before he criticizes others.  Either that, or accept the consequences and not be so thin-skinned himself.

For a guy who commits so many indiscretions, and then takes such ready umbrage at the slightest mention, he is no one to speak.

Kate was in a zone where one should expect privacy, and the photographs were way out of place.  What if the photographer chanced to have a shot into the bathroom at Kensington Palace...is that also buyer beware?

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Post by Syl on Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:35 pm

Maybe Kate should have kept her bikini top on if she wanted to avoid half naked pics splashed all over the papers, but that doesn't excuse Trumps comments....the man is totally without a shred of decency.

His remarks about Diana are beyond pathetic....like a bragging schoolboy, lies based on nothing but his over inflated ego.

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Tommy Monk wrote:Could you post up the 'first ammendment clause' you are referring to for me please?

US Constitution, 1st Amendment wrote:Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The Constitution addresses religion in two ways: first, it prohibits any establishment or support of any religion; and second, it prohibits any limitation on the free exercise of religion.

Mark Stern wrote:It’s Unconstitutional

Trump’s executive order is an unlawful attack on Muslims that must be struck down in its entirety.

By Mark Joseph Stern

On Saturday night, several federal judges ruled that part of Donald Trump’s immigration ban, which targeted refugees from Muslim-majority countries, likely ran afoul the United States Constitution. The rulings freed hundreds of lawful immigrants who were detained pursuant to Trump’s executive order and threatened with deportation. Protesters who had gathered at airports around the country rightfully celebrated the rulings as an extraordinary victory.

But that triumph was really just the start of the legal battle against Trump’s discriminatory executive order. The Saturday decisions apply only to immigrants who were already in the U.S. or on their way here when Trump signed the order, because the government was actively depriving them of liberty without due process. The rulings do nothing for the thousands of refugees overseas who, as long as the executive order stands, will still be denied entry simply because they are Muslims from majority-Muslim countries.

Luckily for these refugees, the entire executive order—not just its application to those currently in the country—is unlawful. Trump’s attempt to discriminate against refugees on the basis of religion is just as unconstitutional as his efforts to detain and deport lawful immigrants already in America without due process. Any Muslim refugee who was in the process of obtaining a visa when Trump signed his order should have standing to challenge its constitutionality in a U.S. court. Trump’s de facto Muslim ban is a violation of the First Amendment’s Establishment Clause, which prohibits the government from favoring one religion over another. And the courts should strike down the order as an unlawful effort to discriminate against Muslims by executive diktat.

The Establishment Clause forbids the government from making any law “respecting an establishment of religion.” As the Supreme Court explained in 1982’s Larson v. Valente, “the clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another.” This constitutional requirement, the court noted, is “inextricably connected with the continuing vitality of the Free Exercise Clause,” guaranteeing religious liberty for all by barring “favoritism among sects.” The court has also declared that the government may not “aid or oppose any religion. This prohibition is absolute.”

Trump’s executive order officially prefers Christians and Christianity and disfavors Muslims and Islam. The order is sloppy and at times indecipherable—it was apparently signed without any input or review by the executive agencies it affects—but whoever wrote it was smart enough to attempt to dress up its animus in pretext. That pretense, however, does nothing to obscure its discriminatory intent and effect. In addition to targeting seven majority-Muslim countries, the order suspends the U.S. Refugee Admissions Program for 120 days, no matter a refugee’s country of origin. When that freeze ends, the order directs the secretary of state, “in consultation with the Secretary of Homeland Security,” to

make changes, to the extent permitted by law, to prioritize refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution, provided that the religion of the individual is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality. (Emphasis mine.)

That limitation is critical—and illegal. It is normal to prioritize “refugee claims made by individuals on the basis of religious-based persecution.” There is a long-standing and bipartisan agreement that America’s refugee policies should always focus, at least in part, on those being persecuted on the basis of religion. But this principle is dramatically altered in the very next clause, which states that a refugee persecuted because of his religion will only be prioritized if he “is a minority religion in the individual’s country of nationality.”

The purpose of this limitation is obvious when applied to the Muslim-majority countries with which Trump is concerned: It favors Christian refugees over Muslim refugees. Trump’s executive order will not help Muslim refugees in Muslim countries who face religious persecution. It is instead designed to help Christians in Muslim-majority countries. On a textual and structural level, the order distinguishes between refugees on the basis of religion, helping Christian refugees because they are Christian, and turning away Muslim refugees because they are Muslim. This discrimination plainly contravenes the “clearest command” of the Establishment Clause.

As ACLU National Legal Director David Cole has written, Trump’s own comments amply support this interpretation of the order. Throughout his campaign, Trump repeatedly called for “a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.” He also effectively admitted that he would dress up his Muslim ban in the pretense of a neutral immigration restriction. “People were so upset when I used the word Muslim,” he said on Meet the Press on July 24. “Oh, you can’t use the word Muslim. Remember this. And I’m OK with that, because I’m talking territory instead of Muslim.” When a reporter read him Mike Pence’s tweet criticizing his proposed Muslim ban on the July 17 edition of 60 Minutes, Trump responded, “So you call it territories, OK? We’re gonna do territories. … Call it whatever you want. We’ll call it territories, OK?”

Trump’s order does indeed attempt to use the pretext of “territories,” but it cannot conceal the anti-Muslim animus that lies just beneath its surface. If Trump’s previous comments aren’t enough evidence, consider what his adviser Rudy Giuliani admitted on Saturday night while being interviewed on Fox News: Giuliani explained how he helped Trump create a Muslim ban that would also be legal, per the president’s request. “When he first announced it, he said, ‘Muslim ban,’ ” Giuliani explained.

He called me up and said, “Put a commission together. Show me the right way to do it legally.” I put a commission together … and what we did was we focused on, instead of religion, danger. The areas of the world that create danger for us. Which is a factual basis. Not a religious basis. Perfectly legal, perfectly sensible, and that’s what the ban is based on. It’s not based on religion. It’s based on places where there are [sic] substantial evidence that people are sending terrorists into our country.

But unfortunately for Trump and Giuliani, an unconstitutional executive order does not become lawful because it is dressed up in fatuous legalese. And while courts are sometimes hesitant to examine a law’s legislative history to uncover its true intent, they should not ignore Trump’s own descriptions of his goals. Unlike a congressional act—which requires the votes of myriad people, some of whom may have different views of the bill before them—this executive order was signed by one man: Trump. He is responsible for it, and his words should guide the courts’ interpretation of its meaning and intent.

There are other legal avenues to challenge the Muslim ban. Cato Institute’s David Bier argues persuasively that Trump’s order reaches beyond his executive authority and violates a federal law that forbids discrimination based on national origin in the immigration system. The Fifth Amendment’s Due Process Clause also contains an equal protection component that bars discrimination on the basis of religion, which bolsters the Establishment Clause claim. (In freeing immigrants detained under the order on Saturday night, multiple federal judges cited equal protection principles.) But whatever the exact line of attack, the basic legal logic is straightforward and airtight. The government has no constitutional authority to discriminate against Muslim refugees because of their religion. And that is precisely what Trump just attempted to do.

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Post by Jules on Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:57 pm

Kate's staff would have seen her topless, that's what surprises me. I'm sure gardeners, chefs, butlers and private detectives were around at the time.

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Re: Donald Trump’s Tweet About the Duchess of Cambridge Causes a Stir

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:40 pm




Firstly Quill...


You posted this...


"...US Constitution, 1st Amendment wrote:
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances..."



The presidents executive order didn't breach any of that.

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Re: Donald Trump’s Tweet About the Duchess of Cambridge Causes a Stir

Post by Thorin on Wed Feb 08, 2017 9:49 pm

Why are people concentrating again over something idiotic Trump has said?

He thrives on attention.

When are people going to learn if you deny him, what he most loves, his egotism. He will get just more and more mad and spell his own destruction. Let him tweet like an idiot and just spread the word what he has done, dont engage what is clearly a con artist. Let Trump supporters find out for themselves how badly, they have been conned

He reminds me of the Emperor Caligula or Commodus.
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