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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:14 am

Is she getting on anyone elses nerves or is it just me?? Rolling Eyes


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Post by eddie on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:38 am

I wish she'd just stick to what she does best which is dance, sing and entertain - all of which she is brilliant at (though not my cup of tea) - and stop turning into a Kardashian.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:43 am

eddie wrote:I wish she'd just stick to what she does best which is dance, sing and entertain - all of which she is brilliant at (though not my cup of tea) - and stop turning into a Kardashian.


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Eddie, a genuine question for you, as I have seen you be negative towards her before.

Why are you negative towards her?

Why does she need to be only known for singing and dancing?

Can she not also be an inspiration to expectant mothers?

Do not many feel very embarrassed about their bodies?

Is this not her trying to empower those women?
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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 10:56 am

I don't think she does empower women....well not unless they aspire to be sluttish.

Years ago she an was incredibly beautiful classy singer, dancer, actress and role model, and role model she is for millions...mainly young impressionable kids. Her talent is undeniable,  when she did speak, she spoke of respect and love.

Then she changed her persona,  gyrating about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with, wrote lyrics that were frankly demeaning to women, and the more publicity her wayward husband attracted about his womanising (which she also wrote about) the more slutty she became on stage.

Now...she is earth mother....sharing her most intimate snaps with....well...everyone. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:01 am

Syl wrote:I don't think she does empower women....well not unless they aspire to be sluttish.

Years ago she an was incredibly beautiful classy singer, dancer, actress and role model, and role model she is for millions...mainly young impressionable kids. Her talent is undeniable,  when she did speak, she spoke of respect and love.

Then she changed her persona,  gyrating about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with, wrote lyrics that were frankly demeaning to women, and the more publicity her wayward husband attracted about his womanising (which she also wrote about) the more slutty she became on stage.

Now...she is earth mother....sharing her most intimate snaps with....well...everyone. Rolling Eyes


How on earth is that sluttish?
Are you saying that any exposure to the female body is sluttish Syl?
Seriously?
Then you are saying that now dancing is like a porn star and that they would be happy with her moves?
Come again?
I think I have been taken back in a time warp to when Elvis, was banned from the waste down.
Its up to you how you define classy, but to say she is sluttish, when she is married with a family is poor to say the least Syl.

Just look at how both you and Eddie saw only the negative from the photo, whilst I an others saw the positive



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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:07 am

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:I don't think she does empower women....well not unless they aspire to be sluttish.

Years ago she an was incredibly beautiful classy singer, dancer, actress and role model, and role model she is for millions...mainly young impressionable kids. Her talent is undeniable,  when she did speak, she spoke of respect and love.

Then she changed her persona,  gyrating about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with, wrote lyrics that were frankly demeaning to women, and the more publicity her wayward husband attracted about his womanising (which she also wrote about) the more slutty she became on stage.

Now...she is earth mother....sharing her most intimate snaps with....well...everyone. Rolling Eyes


How on earth is that sluttish?
Are you saying that any exposure to the female body is sluttish Syl?
Seriously?
Then you are saying that now dancing is like a porn star and that they would be happy with her moves?
Come again?
I think I have been taken back in a time warp to when Elvis, was banned from the waste down.
Its up to you how you define classy, but to say she is sluttish, when she is married with a family is poor to say the least Syl.

Just look at how both you and Eddie saw only the negative from the photo, whilst I an others saw the positive




No you misunderstood Thor.
I don't think the pregnant pic is sluttish...I said it's more 'earth mother'.

Her performances she has given over the last few years ...the words to her songs (that she writes herself) demean her AND other women, and if she is supposed to be empowering young women....I don't think that is the way to do it.

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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:08 am

Who wants to know (in detail) what her and her husband get up to.....do you?

This headline came with the concealed pic of her at the superbowl....hardly a role model.

".ANGRY Super Bowl viewers have complained about Beyonce's half time show, calling her a 'slut' who 'showed her vaginal area to all the world.'"





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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:10 am

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:


How on earth is that sluttish?
Are you saying that any exposure to the female body is sluttish Syl?
Seriously?
Then you are saying that now dancing is like a porn star and that they would be happy with her moves?
Come again?
I think I have been taken back in a time warp to when Elvis, was banned from the waste down.
Its up to you how you define classy, but to say she is sluttish, when she is married with a family is poor to say the least Syl.

Just look at how both you and Eddie saw only the negative from the photo, whilst I an others saw the positive




No you misunderstood Thor.
I don't think the pregnant pic is sluttish...I said it's more 'earth mother'.

Her performances she has given over the last few years ...the words to her songs (that she writes herself) demean her AND other women, and if she is supposed to be empowering young women....I don't think that is the way to do it.


I see nothing wrong with performances and every woman should be able to express themselves to how they feel comfortable with being. Than have people wrongfully and poorly judge them. Again you are holding her up to some standard you have Syl. In how you perceive women should behave and be. The woman is clearly a role model for many women. That is your choice over whether you do not think she empowers women, but I can tell you, there are millions of women and girls out there that would disagree with you, claiming that she has.
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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:12 am

Syl wrote:Who wants to know (in detail) what her and her husband get up to.....do you?


What is wrong with being open about their sex life.
It shows how comfortable they are with each other.
Many people do this.
You may not approve, it does not mean its wrong Syl
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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:15 am

Here is another interesting point over her honesty with hr sex life.

I bet all those who do not approve of her being open on her sex life, still read every single detail or listened to every detail she had to say on the matter.
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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:16 am

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:Who wants to know (in detail) what her and her husband get up to.....do you?


What is wrong with being open about their sex life.
It shows how comfortable they are with each other.
Many people do this.
You may not approve, it does not mean its wrong Syl

I edited and added to my post above Thor...you are too quick for me. Laughing
Oh come on....she is mid 30's he is pushing 50. Their target audience are youngsters.
Read some of the lyrics she writes.....yuck.


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Post by Syl on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:19 am

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:

No you misunderstood Thor.
I don't think the pregnant pic is sluttish...I said it's more 'earth mother'.

Her performances she has given over the last few years ...the words to her songs (that she writes herself) demean her AND other women, and if she is supposed to be empowering young women....I don't think that is the way to do it.


I see nothing wrong with performances and every woman should be able to express themselves to how they feel comfortable with being. Than have people wrongfully and poorly judge them. Again you are holding her up to some standard you have Syl. In how you perceive women should behave and be. The woman is clearly a role model for many women. That is your choice over whether you do not think she empowers women, but I can tell you, there are millions of women and girls out there that would disagree with you, claiming that she has.

Well I hope they don't take her words literally then Thor, I can see lots of underage pregnancies and STD's spreading around if they do.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:20 am

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:


What is wrong with being open about their sex life.
It shows how comfortable they are with each other.
Many people do this.
You may not approve, it does not mean its wrong Syl

I edited and added to my post above Thor...you are too quick for me. Laughing
Oh come on....she is mid 30's he is pushing 50. Their target audience are youngsters.
Read some of the lyrics she writes.....yuck.



What has age got to do with anything Syl?   Smile
Why do you wrongly feel the target audience is for youngsters?
Do you have a break down on who buys her records on their ages?
I listen to her songs. So I do know them

And people calling her a slut for that show during the Superbowl, are just empowering the argument, that women are asking for trouble dressed sexy or dancing sexily if they end up raped, because people wrongly view them as looking like sluts.

That is what you need to understand Syl


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Post by Thorin on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:21 am

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:


I see nothing wrong with performances and every woman should be able to express themselves to how they feel comfortable with being. Than have people wrongfully and poorly judge them. Again you are holding her up to some standard you have Syl. In how you perceive women should behave and be. The woman is clearly a role model for many women. That is your choice over whether you do not think she empowers women, but I can tell you, there are millions of women and girls out there that would disagree with you, claiming that she has.

Well I hope they don't take her words literally then Thor, I can see lots of underage pregnancies and STD's spreading around if they do.

Have to dash...x


Well considering teenage pregnancies have declining for years now, your fears are clearly unfounded sly

See you later and have a good evening   Laughing

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Post by Jules on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:36 am

The OP asks if this woman gets on people's nerves. My own answer is ''no she does not get on my nerves''. Just like for example - Richard Branson promoting himself, and Mr & Mrs Beckham promoting the Beckham brand nonstop by posting up all the achievements of their 4 kids, do not get on my nerves either.


What all these people have in common is that they are all business people at heart. They are doing what it takes to build their various business empires. Once you see something for what it is, and recognise it for what it is, you understand it more and thus you are less likely to be annoyed or irritated by it.



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Post by Jules on Sat Feb 04, 2017 11:44 am

Lol the photo reminds me of Richard Branson in a £10k bride's dress to promote virgin airlines, and this was 20 years ago!!!  Few 'macho'  men would pull such a stunt. Laughing

This guy's empire includes diverse businesses such as music, mobile phones, railway, airlines, space travel and he has promoted them all, in every which way.

Off topic, but my point is ... PROMOTERS WILL PROMOTE.







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Post by Original Quill on Sat Feb 04, 2017 3:39 pm

Jules wrote:The OP asks if this woman gets on people's nerves. My own answer is ''no she does not get on my nerves''.  Just like for example - Richard Branson promoting himself, and Mr & Mrs Beckham promoting the Beckham brand nonstop by posting up all the achievements of their 4 kids, do not get on my nerves either.  


What all these people have in common is that they are all business people at heart. They are doing what it takes to build their various business empires. Once you see something for what it is, and recognise it for what it is, you understand it more and thus you are less likely to be annoyed or irritated by it.

My thoughts exactly, Jules.

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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:09 am

Mybe it's just me then.  Smile

All I know is the Beyoncé of a few years ago, the beautiful respectful talented girl who made brilliant videos has turned into a would be pornstar, simulating sex in her videos and talking like she has zero respect for herself where men are concerned.
Not such an empowering woman to me.

Compare how she was in an earlier vid to what she writes and performs now.


From this /\...to this \/




Driver roll up the partition please
Driver roll up the partition please
I don't need you seeing 'yonce on her knees
Took 45 minutes to get all dressed up
We ain't even gonna make it to this club
Now my mascara running, red lipstick smudged
Oh he so horny, he want to fuck
He bucked all my buttons, he ripped my blouse
He Monica Lewinski all on my gown
or...
I've been drinking, I've been drinking
Hold up
That D'USSÉ is the shit if I do say so myself
If I do say so myself, if I do say so myself
Hold up, stumble all in the house tryna backup all that mouth
That you had all in the car, talking 'bout you the baddest bitch thus far
Talking 'bout you be reppin' that verb, wanna see all that shit I heard
Know I sling Clint Eastwood, hope you can handle this curve
Foreplay in the foyer, fucked up my Warhol
Slid the panties right to the side
Ain't got the time to take draws off, on site
Catch a charge I might, beat the box up like Mike
In '97 I bite, I'm Ike, Turner, turn up
Baby no I don't play, now eat the cake, Annie Mae
Said, "Eat the cake, Annie Mae!"
I'm nice, for y'all to reach these heights we gon' need G3
4, 5, 6 flights, sleep tight
We sex again in the morning, your breasteses is my breakfast
We going in, we be all night
I get filthy when that liquor get into me
I've been thinking, I've been thinking
Why can't I keep my fingers off you, baby?
I want you, na na
Why can't I keep my fingers off you, baby?
I want you, na na

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Post by Thorin on Sun Feb 05, 2017 5:22 am

Syl wrote:Mybe it's just me then.  Smile

All I know is the Beyoncé of a few years ago, the beautiful respectful talented girl who made brilliant videos has turned into a would be pornstar, simulating sex in her videos and talking like she has zero respect for herself where men are concerned.
Not such an empowering woman to me.

Compare how she was in an earlier vid to what she writes and performs now.


From this /\...to this \/


Again so what?
What is far worse is that you are empowering chauvinistic sexist pigs to think its acceptable to cast women and girls as sluts for how they dress and dance. Where even worse you compare a married woman for how she dances to being comparable to a Prostitute. Again empowering the belief in rapists and sexual perverts who wrongly believe the woman are wanting sex for how they dance and dress. For goodness sake.
Again she is a married woman and nobody is demanding that you like her music and you can be as critical as you like of her music and her as a person, but where you cross the line is to cast her wrongly comparable to a prostitute for her openness on sex with her husband and even worse as sluttish for how she dresses and dances.
Again we are back to the 50's with Elvis with his sexual gyrating whilst dancing.  Rolling Eyes
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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:04 am

Thorin wrote:
Syl wrote:Mybe it's just me then.  Smile

All I know is the Beyoncé of a few years ago, the beautiful respectful talented girl who made brilliant videos has turned into a would be pornstar, simulating sex in her videos and talking like she has zero respect for herself where men are concerned.
Not such an empowering woman to me.

Compare how she was in an earlier vid to what she writes and performs now.


From this /\...to this \/


Again so what?
What is far worse is that you are empowering chauvinistic sexist pigs to think its acceptable to cast women and girls as sluts for how they dress and dance. Where even worse you compare a married woman for how she dances to being comparable to a Prostitute. Again empowering the belief in rapists and sexual perverts who wrongly believe the woman are wanting sex for how they dance and dress. For goodness sake.
Again she is a married woman and nobody is demanding that you like her music and you can be as critical as you like of her music and her as a person, but where you cross the line is to cast her wrongly comparable to a prostitute for her openness on sex with her husband and even worse as sluttish for how she dresses and dances.
Again we are back to the 50's with Elvis with his sexual gyrating whilst dancing.  Rolling Eyes

Well what would be your definition of sluttish behaviour Thor?
I recall you think it's perfectly OK for couples to have sex in public....so I'm not sure if your standards are the yardstick to go by.
I haven't compared her to a prostitute either.
But now you come to mention it, the act she is giving publicly...she IS selling sex. Her lyrics alone are demeaning to women, based on doing whatever you have to sexually to keep a man.

It was you who first mentioned that she was  'empowering women'.....her increasingly graphic act that proves that sex sells....that's hardly empowering for women, unless you aspire to be a woman who relies on her sexuality to get what she wants.

Maybe now she is pregnant again she will tone it down....hopefully for her childrens sake, and IF she wants them to grow up respecting themselves and their bodies she will.

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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:35 am

Jules wrote:The OP asks if this woman gets on people's nerves. My own answer is ''no she does not get on my nerves''.  Just like for example - Richard Branson promoting himself, and Mr & Mrs Beckham promoting the Beckham brand nonstop by posting up all the achievements of their 4 kids, do not get on my nerves either.  


What all these people have in common is that they are all business people at heart. They are doing what it takes to build their various business empires. Once you see something for what it is, and recognise it for what it is, you understand it more and thus you are less likely to be annoyed or irritated by it.



True, but the smoke and mirror act that (some) adults can see through is not how her younger targeted fan base will see it. To them if Beyoncé acts, dresses, talks like that....I will too.
I personally think people who have manufactured their brand to be made into icons by the public have a duty to not exploit that.
By all means build your business empire, but not at the expense of your morals.

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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 9:43 am

Just to prove you can be raunchy, without lowering your standards bordering on the obscene....Beyoncé at her best. x


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Post by Thorin on Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:06 am

Syl wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Again so what?
What is far worse is that you are empowering chauvinistic sexist pigs to think its acceptable to cast women and girls as sluts for how they dress and dance. Where even worse you compare a married woman for how she dances to being comparable to a Prostitute. Again empowering the belief in rapists and sexual perverts who wrongly believe the woman are wanting sex for how they dance and dress. For goodness sake.
Again she is a married woman and nobody is demanding that you like her music and you can be as critical as you like of her music and her as a person, but where you cross the line is to cast her wrongly comparable to a prostitute for her openness on sex with her husband and even worse as sluttish for how she dresses and dances.
Again we are back to the 50's with Elvis with his sexual gyrating whilst dancing.  Rolling Eyes

Well what would be your definition of sluttish behaviour Thor?
I recall you think it's perfectly OK for couples to have sex in public....so I'm not sure if your standards are the yardstick to go by.
I haven't compared her to a prostitute either.
But now you come to mention it, the act she is giving publicly...she IS selling sex. Her lyrics alone are demeaning to women, based on doing whatever you have to sexually to keep a man.

It was you who first mentioned that she was  'empowering women'.....her increasingly graphic act that proves that sex sells....that's hardly empowering for women, unless you aspire to be a woman who relies on her sexuality to get what she wants.

Maybe now she is pregnant again she will tone it down....hopefully for her childrens sake, and IF she wants them to grow up respecting themselves and their bodies she will.

OMG now you are being ridiculous.
You are calling her sluttish and a prostitute for how she performs and dresses in songs.
Yes you did compare her to a Prostitute with her dancing.
No I don't have an issue with people having sex in public, as humans have been doing that for centuries.
As long as its not in front of children, why would I have an issue?

She is empowering many women, who see her as someone who has very much succeeded in life and has a wonderful family. Again with this prudish backward stance on now graphic acts? 

I really need to think you need to stop judging others by your standards.
You are not the bases for what is nothing more than a concept people have which is subjective to say the least. Its not up to you to brand people as sluts for how they dress and dance, its just born from the out dated concept of Victorian prudishness. At then end of the day they are nothing more than songs and video's, of which for teens are nothing compared to what they actually watch daily on tv.

Again you cross the line to make the most unfounded and abhorrent claims onto women, simple because they express themselves in how they dress, dance and more than any thing are sexually liberated. By this you empower sexists men, who then think they can label women as well with how they dress and dance.
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Post by eddie on Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:23 am

I think it's a difference of opinion, between you both, over what constitutes decency. Times have changed and sex sells.
That's the point you're both debating: is it okay that sex sells?

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Post by Thorin on Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:27 am

eddie wrote:I think it's a difference of opinion, between you both, over what constitutes decency.  Times have changed and sex sells.
That's the point you're both debating: is it okay that sex sells?


In what way is she selling sex?
I have not seen her do any porn videos with her husband.
i think you are confusing sexy dance with actual sex.
As to lyrics in songs, this is no different than can be found in novels, TV, etc.
There is a combination of many things that sell a song, but most of all it will be down to if they like the music, vocals itself
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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 10:29 am

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OMG now you are being ridiculous.
You are calling her sluttish and a prostitute for how she performs and dresses in songs.
Yes you did compare her to a Prostitute with her dancing.
You are the one who first used the word prostitute Thor. I then agreed that she is selling sex (with her music)....so there is a comparison there.

No I don't have an issue with people having sex in public, as humans have been doing that for centuries.
As long as its not in front of children, why would I have an issue?
Society has to have standards. If you want to see people having sex in public go dogging or something.  Wink
I firmly believe the vast majority of civilised human beings want certain things to remain private between consenting adults.


She is empowering many women, who see her as someone who has very much succeeded in life and has a wonderful family. Again with this prudish backward stance on now graphic acts? 
Its all an act....in fact the more public her husband infidelities became the raunchier her stage show (including her simulating sex with him) became.
The lyrics of her songs became increasing desperate too....you don't empower women by treating yourself as a woman who will be whatever her man insists she be.


I really need to think you need to stop judging others by your standards.
You are not the bases for what is nothing more than a concept people have which is subjective to say the least. Its not up to you to brand people as sluts for how they dress and dance, its just born from the out dated concept of Victorian prudishness. At then end of the day they are nothing more than songs and video's, of which for teens are nothing compared to what they actually watch daily on tv.
I am not in the public eye Thor....it's not my standards that are up for discussion here.

Again you cross the line to make the most unfounded and abhorrent claims onto women, simple because they express themselves in how they dress, dance and more than any thing are sexually liberated. By this you empower sexists men, who then think they can label women as well with how they dress and dance.
See, this is where we differ. I believe it is performances like Beyoncé gives that are empowering men.
Women are empowered by being themselves, strong, independent and sexual in their own right....not some male fantasy of how a woman should be.


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eddie wrote:I think it's a difference of opinion, between you both, over what constitutes decency.  Times have changed and sex sells.
That's the point you're both debating: is it okay that sex sells?

I'm amazed at ads these days. The other day I saw an ad for erectile dysfunction. Can you imagine it your mother saw that ad? My mother thought underwear ads were "dirty".

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eddie wrote:I think it's a difference of opinion, between you both, over what constitutes decency.  Times have changed and sex sells.
That's the point you're both debating: is it okay that sex sells?

Sex has always sold....maybe I prefer the romantic image, though torrid sex is a good selling point too. Cool

I think my main point with Thor is he talks of women being empowered by acting slutty (or whatever word you prefer to use) I think the woman is falling into the category of acting slutty to satisfy the mans ego.

Read some of her lyrics, she wants to be his "best bitch" for eg.
In reality, if most men wanted that of a woman he would be sat in casualty with his divorce papers tucked into his pocket.

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Hmmmm I'm kind of stuck in the middle as I find myself not being intolerant of sexy videos etc but I also would rather watch a video of the artist perform the actual song. Half the time, the gyrating vagina has nothing to do with the actual song context, or indeed, content. They may be singing about getting empowerment but I'd rather listen to their message than look at their fanny flapping about.

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You are the one who first used the word prostitute Thor. I then agreed that she is selling sex (with her music)....so there is a comparison there.
Society has to have standards. If you want to see people having sex in public go dogging or something.  Wink
I firmly believe the vast majority of civilised human beings want certain things to remain private between consenting adults.


Its all an act....in fact the more public her husband infidelities became the raunchier her stage show (including her simulating sex with him) became.
The lyrics of her songs became increasing desperate too....you don't empower women by treating yourself as a woman who will be whatever her man insists she be.


I am not in the public eye Thor....it's not my standards that are up for discussion here.
See, this is where we differ. I believe it is performances like Beyoncé gives that are empowering men.
Women are empowered by being themselves, strong, independent and sexual in their own right....not some male fantasy of how a woman should be.



Really? You did say Porn, Star, which is basically the same thing, selling your body for sex.
So stop trying poorly to get out of some fundamentally poor views you have of women, based of some prudish backward Victorian nonsense.

You firmly believe do you? Is that why many people do actually have sex in public? You see, you are basing this off your own perception. Then you claim civilized, based on what factors? What you are basically claiming is sex is wrong and taboo. But that is not even the point here and poor misdirection from your poor slander against her. Where your only bases to slag her off, is based on her dancing sexily, her liberated view on sex and how she dresses.

So what, then why watch it, or why is it even bothering you, that she performs that way on stage? What her husband does, in no way allows you to cast her as sluttish. You do not even offer me any evidence teens are copying her on her sexual liberation? Really, you claim it does not empower more people to be sexually liberated. You are completely wrong and thank goodness she does express this.

Yes you are when you are on social media, like forums and thus I am sure you would not like to be called such unfounded names. That does nothing for the liberation of women, but tries to lock them up in a chastity belt.

No where we differ is I do not look at the negatives, as you do when you see a picture, a performance or listen to a song. I see the many positives and that is where we are fundamentally different. 
The fact is, there is absolutely no justification for your abuse towards this woman, that is done in such a sexist format, that empowers sexist men. Like I say, bitch about her all you like, but you cross the line by calling her comparable to a Porn Star/Prostitue and sluttish. You do nothing for women's rights by acting that way.

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eddie wrote:Hmmmm I'm kind of stuck in the middle as I find myself not being intolerant of sexy videos etc but I also would rather watch a video of the artist perform the actual song. Half the time, the gyrating vagina has nothing to do with the actual song context, or indeed, content.  They may be singing about getting empowerment but I'd rather listen to their message than look at their fanny flapping about.  

I think Thor would be cheering the fanny flap version on. Laughing

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eddie wrote:Hmmmm I'm kind of stuck in the middle as I find myself not being intolerant of sexy videos etc but I also would rather watch a video of the artist perform the actual song. Half the time, the gyrating vagina has nothing to do with the actual song context, or indeed, content.  They may be singing about getting empowerment but I'd rather listen to their message than look at their fanny flapping about.  


That is a reasonable view Eddie and it is more about money these days.
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Syl wrote:Read some of her lyrics, she wants to be his "best bitch" for eg.

Isn't it true that in modern ebonics "bitch" is a term synonymous with, or at least normalized like "dude" or "mate"?

I love the comparison in Ben's post in the "Thinking Deeply" section, that while the LW is horrified by the sexism and abuse suggested in Trump's pussy-grabbing reference, RW'rs are only dismayed by use of the term 'pussy'.

I've never understood those people who will accept actual wars and brutality, yet are offended by mere words and vocal sounds.

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Original Quill wrote:Isn't it true that in modern ebonics "bitch" is a term synonymous with, or at least normalized like "dude" or "mate"?

I love the comparison in Ben's post in the "Thinking Deeply" section, that while the LW is horrified by the sexism and abuse suggested in Trump's pussy-grabbing reference, RW'rs are only dismayed by use of the term 'pussy'.

I've never understood those people who will accept actual wars and brutality, yet are offended by mere words and vocal sounds.


Offended? It not about any offensive from me and am sure many people find it poor to cast females as sluttish, just for simply how they dance, their lyrics and them being sexually liberated. Again such views just empower sexist men like Trump, to be even more sexist.
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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:01 am

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See, this is where we differ. I believe it is performances like Beyoncé gives that are empowering men.
Women are empowered by being themselves, strong, independent and sexual in their own right....not some male fantasy of how a woman should be.



Really? You did say Porn, Star, which is basically the same thing, selling your body for sex.
So stop trying poorly to get out of some fundamentally poor views you have of women, based of some prudish backward Victorian nonsense.

You firmly believe do you? Is that why many people do actually have sex in public? You see, you are basing this off your own perception. Then you claim civilized, based on what factors? What you are basically claiming is sex is wrong and taboo. But that is not even the point here and poor misdirection from your poor slander against her. Where your only bases to slag her off, is based on her dancing sexily, her liberated view on sex and how she dresses.

So what, then why watch it, or why is it even bothering you, that she performs that way on stage? What her husband does, in no way allows you to cast her as sluttish. You do not even offer me any evidence teens are copying her on her sexual liberation? Really, you claim it does not empower more people to be sexually liberated. You are completely wrong and thank goodness she does express this.

Yes you are when you are on social media, like forums and thus I am sure you would not like to be called such unfounded names. That does nothing for the liberation of women, but tries to lock them up in a chastity belt.

No where we differ is I do not look at the negatives, as you do when you see a picture, a performance or listen to a song. I see the many positives and that is where we are fundamentally different. 
The fact is, there is absolutely no justification for your abuse towards this woman, that is done in such a sexist format, that empowers sexist men. Like I say, bitch about her all you like, but you cross the line by calling her comparable to a Porn Star/Prostitue and sluttish. You do nothing for women's rights by acting that way.

Dont twist what I said Thor.
I said.... she gyrates about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with.
You mentioned prostitution....I said she is selling sex with her music, so there is a  comparison....
NOWHERE have I said that she is a prostitute or a pornstar,,,if you read that you have read wrongly.

I don't think it's having Victorian standards to not want to see people having sex in public. In fact....it's against the law in many instances....thankfully.

I actually like Beyoncé....it's the pathetic way she has morphed into a man pleasing woman as opposed to her earlier image of strong powerful woman that irks.....now both images have been shed to encompass her latest earth mother one.
It's all a bit too manufactured for my taste....and probably all based on lies anyway.

Your last paragraph is daft.
And women in general do more for womens rights by being true to themselves, expecting and deserving of respect  on their own terms, rather than the ones who tart themselves up to be a mans plaything.
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This in only in my opinion of course...others can disagree all they like. Cool


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Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Isn't it true that in modern ebonics "bitch" is a term synonymous with, or at least normalized like "dude" or "mate"?

I love the comparison in Ben's post in the "Thinking Deeply" section, that while the LW is horrified by the sexism and abuse suggested in Trump's pussy-grabbing reference, RW'rs are only dismayed by use of the term 'pussy'.

I've never understood those people who will accept actual wars and brutality, yet are offended by mere words and vocal sounds.


Offended? It not about any offensive from me and am sure many people find it poor to cast females as sluttish, just for simply how they dance, their lyrics and them being sexually liberated. Again such views just empower sexist men like Trump, to be even more sexist.

"Slutttish" is not the word I used. I was referring to "bitch", which in modern ebonics has become synonymous with "mate". I agree that action words are more motivating, while descriptive words are less, but the meanings of words evolve...particularly in specialized languages.

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Syl wrote:Read some of her lyrics, she wants to be his "best bitch" for eg.

Isn't it true that in modern ebonics "bitch" is a term synonymous with, or at least normalized like "dude" or "mate"?

I love the comparison in Ben's post in the "Thinking Deeply" section, that while the LW is horrified by the sexism and abuse suggested in Trump's pussy-grabbing reference, RW'rs are only dismayed by use of the term 'pussy'.

I've never understood those people who will accept actual wars and brutality, yet are offended by mere words and vocal sounds.

Its not the word 'bitch' ...it's the way it's said in her lyrics, she is thrilled to bits to be her lovers 'best bitch', which puts a different slant on it.

Mere words can often start wars and brutality...so maybe there is a connection somewhere..

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Really? You did say Porn, Star, which is basically the same thing, selling your body for sex.
So stop trying poorly to get out of some fundamentally poor views you have of women, based of some prudish backward Victorian nonsense.

You firmly believe do you? Is that why many people do actually have sex in public? You see, you are basing this off your own perception. Then you claim civilized, based on what factors? What you are basically claiming is sex is wrong and taboo. But that is not even the point here and poor misdirection from your poor slander against her. Where your only bases to slag her off, is based on her dancing sexily, her liberated view on sex and how she dresses.

So what, then why watch it, or why is it even bothering you, that she performs that way on stage? What her husband does, in no way allows you to cast her as sluttish. You do not even offer me any evidence teens are copying her on her sexual liberation? Really, you claim it does not empower more people to be sexually liberated. You are completely wrong and thank goodness she does express this.

Yes you are when you are on social media, like forums and thus I am sure you would not like to be called such unfounded names. That does nothing for the liberation of women, but tries to lock them up in a chastity belt.

No where we differ is I do not look at the negatives, as you do when you see a picture, a performance or listen to a song. I see the many positives and that is where we are fundamentally different. 
The fact is, there is absolutely no justification for your abuse towards this woman, that is done in such a sexist format, that empowers sexist men. Like I say, bitch about her all you like, but you cross the line by calling her comparable to a Porn Star/Prostitue and sluttish. You do nothing for women's rights by acting that way.

Dont twist what I said Thor.
I said.... she gyrates about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with.
You mentioned prostitution....I said she is selling sex with her music, so there is a  comparison....
NOWHERE have I said that she is a prostitute or a pornstar,,,if you read that you have read wrongly.

I don't think it's having Victorian standards to not want to see people having sex in public. In fact....it's against the law in many instances....thankfully.

I actually like Beyoncé....it's the pathetic way she has morphed into a man pleasing woman as opposed to her earlier image of strong powerful woman that irks.....now both images have been shed to encompass her latest earth mother one.
It's all a bit to manufactured for my taste....and probably all based on lies anyway.

Your last paragraph is daft.
And women in general do more for womens rights by being true to themselves, expecting and deserving of respect  on their own terms, rather than the ones who tart themselves up to be a mans plaything.
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This in only in my opinion of course...others can disagree all they like. Cool


Its not twisting anything and its you making a comparison to porn stars, in how she dances. Which basically is saying all sexy dancing is born from women who sell their bodies for sex. Which is basically gibberish. Again its up to you what you believe and you can be critical all you like, but you constantly keep crossing the line. Seriously I swear, some of you women seem to spend half your time just bitching about other women, playing the moral high ground card, as if this makes you all perfect. Nobody is perfect, we all have flaws, but nobody deserves to be called sluttish or comparable to a porn star, for how they dress and dance.

My last point is not daft and its you empowering sexist pigs by demeaning her over how she performs, dresses, dances and is sexually liberated and many women would also disagree with your views here. So it may all well be manufactured for your taste, but what you fail to see is when ever people call women sluts etc, you are damaging women's rights, not empowering them. So again you going off being true to yourself, which because she sells records is not being true to herself? How exactly? Its because you perceive her to act a certain way. She is expressing herself in songs and video's and is sexually liberated. That is being true to herself. You really do nothing for standing up for women, by slagging them off in sexist terminology.
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Offended? It not about any offensive from me and am sure many people find it poor to cast females as sluttish, just for simply how they dance, their lyrics and them being sexually liberated. Again such views just empower sexist men like Trump, to be even more sexist.

"Slutttish" is not the word I used.  I was referring to "bitch", which in modern ebonics has become synonymous with "mate".  I agree that action words are more motivating, while descriptive words are less, but the meanings of words evolve...particularly in specialized languages.


I agree on that Quill, on how they develop, and like I say, I fail to see how people are empowering with by basically calling them sluttish for how they dance and dress. I mean we already know in some parts of the world, women are forced to cover up, because of this backward stance on women being denied liberation in how they want to be allowed to dress.
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Post by Syl on Sun Feb 05, 2017 11:23 am

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Dont twist what I said Thor.
I said.... she gyrates about on stage with moves a porn star would be happy with.
You mentioned prostitution....I said she is selling sex with her music, so there is a  comparison....
NOWHERE have I said that she is a prostitute or a pornstar,,,if you read that you have read wrongly.

I don't think it's having Victorian standards to not want to see people having sex in public. In fact....it's against the law in many instances....thankfully.

I actually like Beyoncé....it's the pathetic way she has morphed into a man pleasing woman as opposed to her earlier image of strong powerful woman that irks.....now both images have been shed to encompass her latest earth mother one.
It's all a bit to manufactured for my taste....and probably all based on lies anyway.

Your last paragraph is daft.
And women in general do more for womens rights by being true to themselves, expecting and deserving of respect  on their own terms, rather than the ones who tart themselves up to be a mans plaything.
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This in only in my opinion of course...others can disagree all they like. Cool


Its not twisting anything and its you making a comparison to porn stars, in how she dances. Which basically is saying all sexy dancing is born from women who sell their bodies for sex. Which is basically gibberish. Again its up to you what you believe and you can be critical all you like, but you constantly keep crossing the line. Seriously I swear, some of you women seem to spend half your time just bitching about other women, playing the moral high ground card, as if this makes you all perfect. Nobody is perfect, we all have flaws, but nobody deserves to be called sluttish or comparable to a porn star, for how they dress and dance.

Nope....I posted a video of her performing 'single ladies'...sexy and raunchy, not slutty.

There are other vids of her simulating sex, opening her legs wide, licking her lips, whilst singing about how she will be whatever her man wants her to be...slutty and weak, anything BUT empowering to women.

I don't bitch much about other women...I love to give them credit where it's due.

I agree no one is perfect.....and how boring would it be if we were. However, when someone is in the public eye making fortunes by performing....it's natural that their performances should be criticised as well as praised surely.

My last point is not daft and its you empowering sexist pigs by demeaning her over how she performs, dresses, dances and is sexually liberated and many women would also disagree with your views here. So it may all well be manufactured for your taste, but what you fail to see is when ever people call women sluts etc, you are damaging women's rights, not empowering them. So again you going off being true to yourself, which because she sells records is not being true to herself? How exactly? Its because you perceive her to act a certain way. She is expressing herself in songs and video's and is sexually liberated. That is being true to herself. You really do nothing for standing up for women, by slagging them off in sexist terminology.

Sorry Thor, I don't think she is acting as if she is sexually liberated ...for all the above reasons.
As for me using  sexist terminology.....I think her lyrics are far more indulgent in that area than I ever am
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Its not twisting anything and its you making a comparison to porn stars, in how she dances. Which basically is saying all sexy dancing is born from women who sell their bodies for sex. Which is basically gibberish. Again its up to you what you believe and you can be critical all you like, but you constantly keep crossing the line. Seriously I swear, some of you women seem to spend half your time just bitching about other women, playing the moral high ground card, as if this makes you all perfect. Nobody is perfect, we all have flaws, but nobody deserves to be called sluttish or comparable to a porn star, for how they dress and dance.

Nope....I posted a video of her performing 'single ladies'...sexy and raunchy, not slutty.

There are other vids of her simulating sex, opening her legs wide, licking her lips, whilst singing about how she will be whatever her man wants her to be...slutty and weak, anything BUT empowering to women.

I don't bitch much about other women...I love to give them credit where it's due.

I agree no one is perfect.....and how boring would it be if we were. However, when someone is in the public eye making fortunes by performing....it's natural that their performances should be criticised as well as praised surely.

My last point is not daft and its you empowering sexist pigs by demeaning her over how she performs, dresses, dances and is sexually liberated and many women would also disagree with your views here. So it may all well be manufactured for your taste, but what you fail to see is when ever people call women sluts etc, you are damaging women's rights, not empowering them. So again you going off being true to yourself, which because she sells records is not being true to herself? How exactly? Its because you perceive her to act a certain way. She is expressing herself in songs and video's and is sexually liberated. That is being true to herself. You really do nothing for standing up for women, by slagging them off in sexist terminology.

Sorry Thor, I don't think she is acting as if she is sexually liberated ...for all the above reasons.
As for me using  sexist terminology.....I think her lyrics are far more indulgent in that area than I ever am
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Thanks for the debate though...I enjoyed it. x


1) Again your perception, which nobody has heralded you as the judge to say what is.

2) And again so what? I think you need to get back in your tardis and go forward in time to the 21st century and then you again demean her by basically calling  her a slut.
When are you going to learn how wrong that is?
Seriously. You are more happy to empower sexist idiots, just so you can feel good about yourself as if it makes you a better person. Its these perceptions that lead to people being bullied, you do realise that, do you not? It does not and it makes you no better than sexist idiots. Again its simply a sexy video, which you want to use to bash her over the head with to then justify demeaning her. I find that immature and childish to be frank and the kind of talk found on the playground at school

3) So you do not think she is acting sexually liberated, which would question if you even understand what it means to be sexually liberated. Which is besides the point. I am not bothered if you think her video's are wrong, or as you see them in poor taste. This is about how you are using poor demeaning language against women themselves. Simply because you have set some standard, you are expecting everyone else to live up to. 

Yes thanks for the debate, though I dont enjoy debates that demean women and empower sexist idiots like Trump, especially when those views come from other women

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Feb 05, 2017 8:32 pm

Surprised

I WONDER how come Syl seems to have so much in-depth knowledge of porn stars, porn movies, the porn industry, and what constitutes "sluttishness"  ?!?

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Post by magica on Mon Feb 06, 2017 6:50 am

Syl wrote:Just to prove you can be raunchy, without lowering your standards bordering on the obscene....Beyoncé at her best. x


Hi Syl, I love this video, she was brilliant.

Not sure i've seen anything she's done lately so cant comment. I do like her pregnant pic, she's not showing anything in that only her bump. She doesn't bother me tbh, theres many more out there that get to me, but shes not one of them .

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:19 am

Some of them are on YouTube Mags...but I wouldn't bother if I were you, her earlier vids and concerts were miles better imo.

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:41 am

Syl wrote:Some of them are on YouTube Mags...but I wouldn't bother if I were you, her earlier vids and concerts were miles better imo.

You ain't gonna win this one Syl Laughing

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:49 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:Some of them are on YouTube Mags...but I wouldn't bother if I were you, her earlier vids and concerts were miles better imo.

You ain't gonna win this one Syl Laughing

Lol...the funny thing is...I actually LIKE Beyoncé, always have, I just don't like the brand she is now peddling.
Nothing else to add though, so I will shut up. Razz

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:50 am

I do sort of see where you're coming from. It's more of a disappointment that you feel, right? Like she was a classy enough artist brimming with talent and she's now selling herself short.

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 06, 2017 10:55 am

eddie wrote:I do sort of see where you're coming from. It's more of a disappointment that you feel, right? Like she was a classy enough artist brimming with talent and she's now selling herself short.

yes....yes....YES.

You see how easy it is to be sexual without being slutty...(think Meg Ryan here)

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Post by eddie on Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:01 am

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:I do sort of see where you're coming from. It's more of a disappointment that you feel, right? Like she was a classy enough artist brimming with talent and she's now selling herself short.

yes....yes....YES.

You see how easy it is to be sexual without being slutty...(think Meg Ryan here)

I'm so glad you're pleased to see me. I promise not to be slutty.

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Post by Syl on Mon Feb 06, 2017 11:06 am

eddie wrote:
Syl wrote:

yes....yes....YES.

You see how easy it is to be sexual without being slutty...(think Meg Ryan here)

I'm so glad you're pleased to see me. I promise not to be slutty.

Bloody hell....I'm not Mary Poppins, I don't mind tasteful slutty. or rampant slutty in private. I just don't want to see people making millions out it when they can do so much better... and they have lots of young fans hanging on to their every word..

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