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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 3:56 pm

SALT LAKE CITY — Researchers at the Huntsman Cancer Institute say a protein discovered in elephants appears to attack and destroy cancer cells found in humans. Dr. Joshua Schiffman and a team of researchers have spent the last few years searching for a cure for cancer in what might seem like an unusual place: elephant blood.

"The elephants have had 55 million years of research and development to really design the perfect cancer-fighting protein," Schiffman explained. "Nature has already solved the problem."

Due to their size and the number of cells their bodies generate, Schiffman said statistically, nearly all elephants should get cancer, yet in reality that rarely ever happens. "Elephants almost never get cancer," Schiffman said. "And we think the reason why is they have extra copies of this cancer-fighting protein." After synthesizing that protein called P-53 in a lab, Schiffman and his team unleashed it onto human cancer cells in petri dishes.

He said the results were astonishing.
"What we've found is that the cancer cells are all dying very quickly when they're exposed to this elephant cancer protein," Schiffman said. "It is remarkable. The lab is so excited."

For the next phase of the study, The Hunstman Cancer Institute is working with a lab in Israel to synthetically produce more of the protein, which would then be tested on mice and eventually dogs.




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He said the results were astonishing.
"What we've found is that the cancer cells are all dying very quickly when they're exposed to this elephant cancer protein," Schiffman said. "It is remarkable. The lab is so excited."

That's what happens to cancer cells when you put cannabis oil in the Petri dish.
All cures to be found in nature.

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eddie wrote:He said the results were astonishing.
"What we've found is that the cancer cells are all dying very quickly when they're exposed to this elephant cancer protein," Schiffman said. "It is remarkable. The lab is so excited."

That's what happens to cancer cells when you put cannabis oil in the Petri dish.
All cures to be found in nature.


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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:01 pm

who?

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:02 pm

Lord Foul wrote:who?


Eddie, who claims you have no more need to see GP's anymore
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eddie wrote:He said the results were astonishing.
"What we've found is that the cancer cells are all dying very quickly when they're exposed to this elephant cancer protein," Schiffman said. "It is remarkable. The lab is so excited."

That's what happens to cancer cells when you put cannabis oil in the Petri dish.
All cures to be found in nature.

No cannabis oil does not kill cancer cells either in a Petri dish
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IMPORTANT – we have become aware that scammers are tricking cancer patients and their families into handing over money for “cannabis oil”, yet receiving nothing in return. Some of these fraudsters are using the email address ukcancerresearchcentre @ gmail.com and claiming to be based at 407 St John Street.  This is a scam, and has nothing to do with Cancer Research UK or our employees. If you believe you have been a victim of this fraud, please contact the police. [KA 20/04/15]


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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:13 pm

I dont think she's said that has she....

actually the BEST way to make use of cannabis' anti cancer ativity is to take it (in cooperation with an understanding specialist) in conjunction with standard treatments.
firstly it will alleviate some of the worst side effects of the strong drugs used (for instance cannabis gives you tyhe "munchies" ...always good when many of the anti cancer drugs cause inappetance.
Secondly there is no doubt that cannabis DOES have anti cancer and more importantly anti inflammatory effects thus providing a secondary means of fighting the disease, differnt in action to the main drug, thus providing a mechanism whereby, although at present unproven beyond doubt, it is likely that resistance to the main drug is reduced. (since the survivor cells of the main drug are likely to be hit hard by the cannabis. Whether or not cancer cells can become resistant to cannabis is as yet of course unknown as is the mechanism wherby it does destroy them)

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Lord Foul wrote:I dont think she's said that has she....

actually the BEST way to make use of cannabis' anti cancer ativity is to take it (in cooperation with an understanding specialist) in conjunction with standard treatments.
firstly it will alleviate some of the worst side effects of the strong drugs used (for instance cannabis gives you tyhe "munchies" ...always good when many of the anti cancer drugs cause inappetance.
Secondly there is no doubt that cannabis DOES have anti cancer and more importantly anti inflammatory effects thus providing a secondary means of fighting the disease, differnt in action to the main drug, thus providing a mechanism whereby, although at present unproven beyond doubt, it is likely that resistance to the main drug is reduced. (since the survivor cells of the main drug are likely to be hit hard by the cannabis. Whether or not cancer cells can become resistant to cannabis is as yet of course unknown as is the mechanism wherby it does destroy them)

Yes she basically did

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I will absolutely stand by the fact that though GP's aren't evil, they are just robots programmed to read something and say "here's a tablet - my screen tells my you need to take three a day"
Do you know how many people take a GP's word as gospel??????

I've never ever taken their word as gospel. I do what I think after reading just a little and I take half of what I'm prescribed.
Next time, I won't take the tablets at all. I'll do it all by diet and not tell them and when I am in thyroid remission I'll tell them their tablets were a pile of overpriced profit-making junk.

There are two types of people: those that think doctors are God and those who know they simply are humans and will do their own research and find their own way.
Gps are not so needed anymore TBH

http://www.newsfixboard.com/t19496-the-facade-of-breast-cancer-awareness-susan-g-komen-and-the-pink-ribbon#376788


As to the rest of your points I agree, but again she made the claim that cannabis oil killed cancers cells in a petri dish, that is bollocks
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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:26 pm

Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:who?


Eddie, who claims you have no more need to see GP's anymore

I never said people shouldn't see GP'S and this thread isn't about GP's.

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Lord Foul wrote:I dont think she's said that has she....

actually the BEST way to make use of cannabis' anti cancer ativity is to take it (in cooperation with an understanding specialist) in conjunction with standard treatments.
firstly it will alleviate some of the worst side effects of the strong drugs used (for instance cannabis gives you tyhe "munchies" ...always good when many of the anti cancer drugs cause inappetance.
Secondly there is no doubt that cannabis DOES have anti cancer and more importantly anti inflammatory effects thus providing a secondary means of fighting the disease, differnt in action to the main drug, thus providing a mechanism whereby, although at present unproven beyond doubt, it is likely that resistance to the main drug is reduced. (since the survivor cells of the main drug are likely to be hit hard by the cannabis. Whether or not cancer cells can become resistant to cannabis is as yet of course unknown as is the mechanism wherby it does destroy them)

That's basically what I've said yes.
I would never tell someone not to have chemo if that's what they chose to do. My friend Lisa asked my advice about chemo and I actively said "It's your decision and I will support anything YOU choose to do".
I never once, suggested she should not have chemo if that's what she wanted.

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eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:


Eddie, who claims you have no more need to see GP's anymore

I never said people shouldn't see GP'S and this thread isn't about GP's.

You fundamentally claimed you knew more than GP's falsely claimed people worship them and basically not to listen to them and claimed they are not needed so much anymore. When they are over worked all the time
You are fucking childishily irresponsible with the rubbish you are posting
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eddie wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:I dont think she's said that has she....

actually the BEST way to make use of cannabis' anti cancer ativity is to take it (in cooperation with an understanding specialist) in conjunction with standard treatments.
firstly it will alleviate some of the worst side effects of the strong drugs used (for instance cannabis gives you tyhe "munchies" ...always good when many of the anti cancer drugs cause inappetance.
Secondly there is no doubt that cannabis DOES have anti cancer and more importantly anti inflammatory effects thus providing a secondary means of fighting the disease, differnt in action to the main drug, thus providing a mechanism whereby, although at present unproven beyond doubt, it is likely that resistance to the main drug is reduced. (since the survivor cells of the main drug are likely to be hit hard by the cannabis. Whether or not cancer cells can become resistant to cannabis is as yet of course unknown as is the mechanism wherby it does destroy them)

That's basically what I've said yes.
I would never tell someone not to have chemo if that's what they chose to do. My friend Lisa asked my advice about chemo and I actively said "It's your decision and I will support anything YOU choose to do".
I never once, suggested she should not have chemo if that's what she wanted.

No you said cannabis oils killed cancer cells in a petri dish

No they have not
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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:32 pm

Didge you need to calm yourself and take yourself off to the many many many people all over the Internet who have tried and tested their own means, and tell them they're talking rubbish too.

I never said "People should not go and see GP's"
I don't bother unless I need an appointment to see a specialist. GP's are good middle-men if you need a specialist, that much is true. As to minor ailments, what can they tell you that NHS Direct, for example, doesn't?

And getting rude and obnoxious will result in my ignoring you. Take that as gospel.

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eddie wrote:Didge you need to calm yourself and take yourself off to the many many many people all over the Internet who have tried and tested their own means, and tell them they're talking rubbish too.

I never said "People should not go and see GP's"
I don't bother unless I need an appointment to see a specialist. GP's are good middle-men if you need a specialist, that much is true. As to minor ailments, what can they tell you that NHS Direct, for example, doesn't?

And getting rude and obnoxious will result in my ignoring you. Take that as gospel.

Yes i will tell them the same as you, that like you, they have no medical qualifications or years of experience in the medical profession. What you are again telling me to do is be calm about idiots endangering peoples lives with false claims. As far as I am concerned is criminal negligence.

All can read what you said and I will continue to expose your rubbish on this, because the fact is most of what you know on health is rubbish and even worse you are trying to convince people based off further lies on medicine to try other things that could have a damaging effect on their health

Like I said you are bloody childishly irresponsible
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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:46 pm

I think you already did that one didge. You're copy and pasting your own copy and pastes now.

I bet though, that someone, somewhere in forum land, posted about elephant protein a year or so ago and there was a dude on there going "You're an idiot".

Still. Whatevs.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:50 pm

eddie wrote:I think you already did that one didge. You're copy and pasting your own copy and pastes now.

I bet though, that someone, somewhere in forum land, posted about elephant protein a year or so ago and there was a dude on there going "You're an idiot".

Still. Whatevs.


You see this is what you fail to grasp
I post up information, because after explaining you are wrong, you still continue to post rubbish, so I then post up evidence and you bury you head in the sand.
I am angry, because I care about you and I cannot believe how irresponsible you are being.
Again people like you have convinced people to not take medical treatments and have paid the price with their lives. For people not medically trained to advise on things they know next to nothing on is dangerous.
I mean would you attempt to carry out heart surgery based on just thinking you understand the operation?
That is how naive you are being and my anger is more at how irresponsible your views can have on other people. Leave the medical profession to those who understand it, you dont
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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 4:53 pm

thing is thorin, the dcos DONT always "know best"

i have psoriasis. quite bad on arms and legs....

now I saw a specialist who prescribed 3 different lots of meds...
one was a vit D booster which made me sick within 2 hours of applying it
one was a uv sensitiser....which meant keeping OUT of sunlight , and required they use of sunglasses even in "light haze" conditions...PFFFT as if...
the third I never bothered with seeing as what the first 2 were like...

I now treat it with a herbal mixture (for the last 4 months)

containing coconut oil beeswax and about 6 or 8 essential oils in varying amounts...

result... my arms and legs are almost clear of the psoriasis and the skin is returning to normal

now its not "cured" the psoriasis, there is at present no "cure" for what is an autoimmune disease and I will likely have to keep using it as and when any plaques start to show....but it HAS cleared the symptoms...

WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS......

the specialist was "gob smacked"..

when I last saw her (1 month ago) she said "oh good, the stuff I gave you works then
I said ...nope ...only used one of them twice...and explained how it made me sick....

so what you doing then she asked

so i told her.....

at which point she went "deaf" , muttered something about "whatever floats your boat" and dismissed me...

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Lord Foul wrote:thing is thorin, the dcos DONT always "know best"

i have psoriasis. quite bad on arms and legs....

now I saw a specialist who prescribed 3 different lots of meds...
one was a vit D booster which made me sick within 2 hours of applying it
one was a uv sensitiser....which meant keeping OUT of sunlight , and required they use of sunglasses even in "light haze" conditions...PFFFT as if...
the third I never bothered with seeing as what the first 2 were like...

I now treat it with a herbal mixture (for the last 4 months)

containing coconut oil beeswax and about 6 or 8 essential oils in varying amounts...

result... my arms and legs are almost clear of the psoriasis and the skin is returning to normal

now its not "cured" the psoriasis, there is at present no "cure" for what is an autoimmune disease and I will likely have to keep using it as and when any plaques start to show....but it HAS cleared the symptoms...

WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS......

the specialist was "gob smacked"..

when I last saw her (1 month ago) she said "oh good, the stuff I gave you works then
I said ...nope ...only used one of them twice...and explained how it made me sick....

so what you doing then she asked

so i told her.....

at which point she went "deaf" , muttered something about "whatever floats your boat" and dismissed me...


Are you seriously trying to tell me you are defending Eddies stance on GP's

Doctors do not know everything because there is so many multiple fields, of which they all specialize in one particular field, then up from that you have specialists. But if they do not know, then its less likely the patient is going to know are they?

But did the mixture you use have any effect really?

You are making a claim it has without knowing it may well have more to do with you being outdoors and getting enough UVB into your system, let alone you may well be less stress free for example. You do not need to sunbathe to have UVB from the sun be effective against psoriasis, why because I suffer too.
I am not saying that what you have tried may not have helped, maybe it has, but you cannot claim it was what made it go away.

So I am not surprised she was gobsmacked, i am surprised she did not ask o go into business with you and have this tested, if it was so effective. Again what you claim is based on you think it helped, when there is nothing to prove that it did
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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:00 pm

He will call it hearsay.
No, actually he won't. He will agree with you but if it were me who'd posted it...he'd find a link saying the opposite even though you are living proof.

Glad you got it sorted, by whichever means helped you personally.


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eddie wrote:He will call it hearsay.
No, actually he won't. He will agree with you but if it were me who'd posted it...he'd find a link saying the opposite even though you are living proof.

Glad you got it sorted, by whichever means helped you personally.



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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:14 pm

Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:thing is thorin, the dcos DONT always "know best"

i have psoriasis. quite bad on arms and legs....

now I saw a specialist who prescribed 3 different lots of meds...
one was a vit D booster which made me sick within 2 hours of applying it
one was a uv sensitiser....which meant keeping OUT of sunlight , and required they use of sunglasses even in "light haze" conditions...PFFFT as if...
the third I never bothered with seeing as what the first 2 were like...

I now treat it with a herbal mixture (for the last 4 months)

containing coconut oil beeswax and about 6 or 8 essential oils in varying amounts...

result... my arms and legs are almost clear of the psoriasis and the skin is returning to normal

now its not "cured" the psoriasis, there is at present no "cure" for what is an autoimmune disease and I will likely have to keep using it as and when any plaques start to show....but it HAS cleared the symptoms...

WITHOUT SIDE EFFECTS......

the specialist was "gob smacked"..

when I last saw her (1 month ago) she said "oh good, the stuff I gave you works then
I said ...nope ...only used one of them twice...and explained how it made me sick....

so what you doing then she asked

so i told her.....

at which point she went "deaf" , muttered something about "whatever floats your boat" and dismissed me...


Are you seriously trying to tell me you are defending Eddies stance on GP's

Doctors do not know everything because there is so many multiple fields, of which they all specialize in one particular field, then up from that you have specialists. But if they do not know, then its less likely the patient is going to know are they?

But did the mixture you use have any effect really?

You are making a claim it has without knowing it may well have more to do with you being outdoors and getting enough UVB into your system, let alone you may well be less stress free for example. You do not need to sunbathe to have UVB from the sun be effective against psoriasis, why because I suffer too.
I am not saying that what you have tried may not have helped, maybe it has, but you cannot claim it was what made it go away.

So I am not surprised she was gobsmacked, i am surprised she did not ask o go into business with you and have this tested, if it was so effective. Again what you claim is based on you think it helped, when there is nothing to prove that it did

Except didge.......within the bounds of the obvious limitations.....I DO have sufficient evidence for it acting as I have said....

see ...I'm not as daft as you seem to think, and where you may well have worked for the NHS, I do not think it was within a "clinical" setting.

I have worked and studied in my younger days in both microbiology and clinical chemistry...



sooooo

firstly I tried it on my arms......and it mostly cleared them (within 3 weeks)...I then put it on one leg......and it cleared that so then I did the other...and that cleared as well...

NOW.....

whats the odds that

a) some other factor cleared those areas IN THAT ORDER at THOSE TIMES
OR
b) the salve I have made is having a beneficial effect on it......

not "conclusive" I would agree

however Its pretty damn convincing.....

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:19 pm

1) Where is the evidence?

2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.


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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:19 pm

Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:He will call it hearsay.
No, actually he won't. He will agree with you but if it were me who'd posted it...he'd find a link saying the opposite even though you are living proof.

Glad you got it sorted, by whichever means helped you personally.



As seen I did not agree with Victor, and now you are stirring Eddie

You are a mod, live up to that standard

I'm a poster and as a poster I am posting. No one is breaking any rules so I'm not posting here as a mod.
Cheap shot.

The point is, people TELL you that these things have happened to them and yet you're still telling them they didn't.
Do you think, possibly, that you just can't bear to be wrong in these matters?

Experience triumphs any article didge.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:21 pm

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Thorin wrote:


As seen I did not agree with Victor, and now you are stirring Eddie

You are a mod, live up to that standard

I'm a poster and as a poster I am posting. No one is breaking any rules so I'm not posting here as a mod.
Cheap shot.

The point is, people TELL you that these things have happened to them and yet you're still telling them they didn't.
Do you think, possibly, that you just can't bear to be wrong in these matters?

Experience triumphs any article didge.


Hearsay, counts for didley Eddie

Evidence is what counts

And people as you have done dangerously advise people to take things, are dangerous period

They should introduce a law based on negligence, where people are lied to in regards to medical treatment online with websites and social media
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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:22 pm

Thorin wrote:1) Where is the evidence?

2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.

ACCEPT IT. He tried it, it worked for him so ACCEPT IT.
Doctors are programmed to prescribe pills and potions abd they don't always work and they're not always needed.
Accept it.

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Thorin wrote:
eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:


As seen I did not agree with Victor, and now you are stirring Eddie

You are a mod, live up to that standard

I'm a poster and as a poster I am posting. No one is breaking any rules so I'm not posting here as a mod.
Cheap shot.

The point is, people TELL you that these things have happened to them and yet you're still telling them they didn't.
Do you think, possibly, that you just can't bear to be wrong in these matters?

Experience triumphs any article didge.


Hearsay, counts for didley Eddie

Evidence is what counts

And people as you have done dangerously advise people to take things, are dangerous period

They should introduce a law based on negligence, where people are lied to in regards to medical treatment online with websites and social media

So because your ego simply won't accept you're wrong, you'd prefer to call Vic a liar.

Discussion finished. It's like arguing with a drunken man who calls himself a deity.

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:24 pm

eddie wrote:
Thorin wrote:1) Where is the evidence?

2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.

ACCEPT IT. He tried it, it worked for him so ACCEPT IT.
Doctors are programmed to prescribe pills and potions abd they don't always work and they're not always needed.
Accept it.


So based on your premise, you tried praying, claim it works and I should accept that.

Only an idiot would

Doctors have the patients best interest at heart and a a understanding you will certainly never achieve on medicines and physiology

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:24 pm

Thorin wrote:1) Where is the evidence?

on my arms and legs....


2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

whats the odds that

a) some other factor cleared those areas IN THAT ORDER at THOSE TIMES
OR
b) the salve I have made is having a beneficial effect on it......


3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

uhm...Its "public domain" not my invention

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.

see 2 above

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Accept it didge. Accept that people can and often, cure themselves without little, or any intervention, from doctors.

Just accept it.

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Thorin wrote:


Hearsay, counts for didley Eddie

Evidence is what counts

And people as you have done dangerously advise people to take things, are dangerous period

They should introduce a law based on negligence, where people are lied to in regards to medical treatment online with websites and social media

So because your ego simply won't accept you're wrong, you'd prefer to call Vic a liar.

Discussion finished. It's like arguing with a drunken man who calls himself a deity.


Ask Victor if he thinks I am calling him a liar?

What did I say to him?
That he cannot prove what he used was what helped his condition

The discussion is not finished, what have you changed hates from a poster to mod, when you choose to?

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eddie wrote:Accept it didge. Accept that people can and often, cure themselves without little, or any intervention, from doctors.

Just accept it.


I accept you are ignorant in understanding anything medical
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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:27 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:1) Where is the evidence?

on my arms and legs....


2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

whats the odds that

a) some other factor cleared those areas IN THAT ORDER at THOSE TIMES
OR
b) the salve I have made is having a beneficial effect on it......


3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

uhm...Its "public domain"  not my invention

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.

see 2 above


1) We both know that is not evidence it was your remedy

2) So you think medical testing is done that way, based on deduction? I think not and we both know you are guessing

3) But why not put it forward for testing?

4) See 2
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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:34 pm

okay Victor
Lets really put this to the test.
You PM me exactly what you put together in amounts, how much to apply daily and for how many weeks.
Then after I have done as you have asked, I will PM you picture confirmation, to show before and after.
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Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:1) Where is the evidence?

on my arms and legs....


2) Again it does not matter that you did work in chemistry, you need to show it was the product that improved your condition, and not other factors? Which requires testing. All you are attempting to to is deduction, without ruling out other possibilities.

whats the odds that

a) some other factor cleared those areas IN THAT ORDER at THOSE TIMES
OR
b) the salve I have made is having a beneficial effect on it......


3) Again if your method is so effective, then why not patent your process, and put it up for testing?

uhm...Its "public domain"  not my invention

4) Its not convincing, if another factor was the key to why your condition improved. There is no way you can determine this and we both know this cannot be done without tests.

see 2 above


1) We both know that is not evidence it was your remedy

yeah and they are my arms and legs

2) So you think medical testing is done that way, based on deduction? I think not and we both know you are guessing

in the absence of a £10 billion lab facility, deduction is all I have.....do A and B happens once its interesting Do A and B happens 3 times it becomes evidence of causation....I have a few other isolated patches left....so they will get "experimented on" next......a 4th strike and that IS evidence and NOT coincidence...

3) But why not put it forward for testing?
cos i dont have umpteen millions needed to spend on it......and quite rightly it would be unethical if not unlawful to make others "experiment" with it (even though its harmless in and of itself)

4) See 2

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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:37 pm

Thorin wrote:okay Victor
Lets really put this to the test.
You PM me exactly what you put together in amounts, how much to apply daily and for how many weeks.
Then after I have done as you have asked, I will PM you picture confirmation, to show before and after.
Deal?


We dont need a lab, you have me to use as a test subject Victor
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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:39 pm

Thorin wrote:okay Victor
Lets really put this to the test.
You PM me exactly what you put together in amounts, how much to apply daily and for how many weeks.
Then after I have done as you have asked, I will PM you picture confirmation, to show before and after.
Deal?


ok...since its harm less in and of itself....

BUT as with everything try a TINY bit on the INSIDE of your forearm first (a patch test) to ensure you are not allergic to any of the constiutuents
and as ever ...you do so at your own risk ok


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Post by Thorin on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:41 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Thorin wrote:okay Victor
Lets really put this to the test.
You PM me exactly what you put together in amounts, how much to apply daily and for how many weeks.
Then after I have done as you have asked, I will PM you picture confirmation, to show before and after.
Deal?


ok...since its harm less in and of itself....

BUT as with everything try a TINY bit on the INSIDE of your forearm first (a patch test) to ensure you are not allergic to any of the constiutuents
and  as ever ...you do so at your own risk ok



I am not allergic to anything other than dust mite
I know its at my own risk
Hence why I offer to do this
But please explain to Eddie, that just hearing something means you have to accept it is irrational
That is called faith

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:49 pm

beeswax (UNREFINED filtered)  block (25 - 50 g depending on how stiff you want the mix (i use 35 g)
coconut oil           400ml
almond oil              50ml
eucalyptus oil          5 ml
lavender oil             5 ml
orange oil               5 ml
Margoram            2.5ml
Helichrysum oil     2.5 ml
peppermint oil      2.5 ml
Oregano oil           2.5ml

chop up bees wax and melt into coconut oil

cool slightly and add rest of the oils, mix well


APPLY AT ROOM TEMP... I.E let it COOL before using  the idea is to oil the problem not fry it.... Rolling Eyes

apply morning and night

allow 3-4 weeks for best effect....

but you should see improvement within a week



I hope this DOES indeed work for you as it did for me....

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Lord Foul wrote:beeswax (UNREFINED filtered)  block (25 - 50 g depending on how stiff you want the mix (i use 35 g)
coconut oil           400ml
almond oil              50ml
eucalyptus oil          5 ml
lavender oil             5 ml
orange oil               5 ml
Helichrysum oil     2.5 ml
peppermint oil      2.5 ml
Oregano oil           2.5ml

chop up bees wax and melt into coconut oil

cool slightly and add rest of the oils, mix well


APPLY AT ROOM TEMP... I.E let it COOL before using  the idea is to oil the problem not fry it.... Rolling Eyes

apply morning and night

allow 3-4 weeks for best effect....

but you should see improvement within a week



I hope this DOES indeed work for you as it did for me....


Can I get most of that in a supermarket?

Will no doubt start later next week

Cheers, I hope it works too
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rub in well . it will have no effect on surrounding good skin, doesnt particularly mark clothes or bedding. I would beware of getting it on some artificial fibers since some of the essential oils can attack them...

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the best source for the esential oils and beeswax is online..
the coconut and almond oil yes a supermarket

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Lord Foul wrote:the best source for the esential oils and beeswax is online..
the coconut and almond oil yes a supermarket


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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:57 pm

Thorin wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:beeswax (UNREFINED filtered)  block (25 - 50 g depending on how stiff you want the mix (i use 35 g)
coconut oil           400ml
almond oil              50ml
eucalyptus oil          5 ml
lavender oil             5 ml
orange oil               5 ml
Helichrysum oil     2.5 ml
peppermint oil      2.5 ml
Oregano oil           2.5ml

chop up bees wax and melt into coconut oil

cool slightly and add rest of the oils, mix well


APPLY AT ROOM TEMP... I.E let it COOL before using  the idea is to oil the problem not fry it.... Rolling Eyes

apply morning and night

allow 3-4 weeks for best effect....

but you should see improvement within a week



I hope this DOES indeed work for you as it did for me....


Can I get most of that in a supermarket?

Will no doubt start later next week

Cheers, I hope it works too

I'd go to a proper health shop and buy organic if I were you.
Good luck I hope it works - and I only mean that for your sake and no "point" to be proven.

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Jan 28, 2017 5:58 pm

OH did I mention one small side effect

every dog that passes you will want to lick it off you....... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I think they reckon its a condiment.....Help...It's tasting me........

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Lord Foul wrote:OH did I mention one small side effect

every dog that passes you will want to lick it off you....... Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

I think they reckon its a condiment.....Help...It's tasting me........


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Post by eddie on Sat Jan 28, 2017 6:00 pm

And the lavender oil will keep the spiders away!

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I dont mind spiders

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