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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 22, 2017 5:50 pm

Donald Trump, champion of lies, now tries to clean up his act by calling it 'alternative facts'.  Poor Kellyanne Conway, she will be forever known now as the 'alternative facts' lady!



Poor Kellyanne??  How'd you like to have that for your ex-wife?

Remember when in the novel 1984 George Orwell mentioned how totalitarian governments engage in doublethink: language that deliberately obscures, disguises, distorts, or reverses the meaning of words.  I have frequently spoken of how we call our ministries making war, as Department of Defense and Ministry of Defense.  Or we have our peacemakers carry weapons of death and war.  Here, thanks to New Paradigm are other examples:

New Paradigm wrote:1. "More surveillance is needed to stop terrorism..."

In terms of doublespeak what this really means is more surveillance is needed on you and me i.e. we-the-people so that the oppressive regime can grow with less resistance... -It's all part of the hidden agenda.

2. "Anti-Semitism will not be tolerated."

Sure, most people are opposed to racism including myself but what this statement really means in doublespeak language is "don't criticise Israel" so that the oppressive regime can go on with their heinous crimes on Palestinians...

3. "Vaccine denialist"

Those referred to as denialists is an all out attempt to suppress the truth. Denialists are those with the ability to rationalize and think critically. No, they're not the people who are in denial of the truth as they have been made out to be.

More people are becoming aware that vaccines can be ineffective, potentially harmful and toxic... Live viruses in the adjutants (ingredients) can incorporate into our body's cells and alter the DNA... The pharmaceutical companies are immune to prosecution should someone be harmed by the vaccine. Natural immunity is far more effective than artificical.

-What other forms of 'denialism' can you think of?  [Um climate  change denialist comes to mind.]

4. "The war on... "

Pick your choice here, from circumstances, the government are forever blurting out about the wars on: terror, cancer, drugs or war... etc, but nothing ever gets resolved in these conflicts. In other words in Orwellian terms "war = peace" and a number of elitists do indeed make political gains and huge profits from ongoing unresolved conflicts...

5. "Freedom of speech / expression"

After the Charlie Hebdo cartoonists murders in Paris we saw all that demonstration and campaigning which was not much more than sanctimonious, hypocritical blather for freedom of speech. In truth, since the attacks we've seen a crackdown on freedom of speech and a number of arrests... by the Orwellian 'thought police.'

6. "Conspiracy theory..."

There are indeed growing numbers seeing right through the mass media dub 'conspiracy theory' which really means conspiracy fact. This is the elite's biggest weakness that people will in time realize en masse that they have been deceived and will overcome the oppressive regime by outnumbering. That's a certainty.

-So, to you people, still in denial of the truth believing the politicians and mass media dub on conspiracy theorists, that they're crazies... What are you going to say to these conspiracy people who you've ridiculed, laughed at in the face while never questioning their reasoning and talked about behind their backs, caused them isolation and embarrassment... when you finally find out that they were right all along??

Donald 'pussy-grabber' Trump is probably the ultimate doublespeak politician.  Now Kellyanne "alternative facts" Conway tries to institutionalize the pattern.

Anyone still believe this isn't 1984?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:02 pm



We have been complaining about labour lefties double speak for 20 years!!!

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

We have been complaining about labour lefties double speak for 20 years!!!

I know, so you have said.  I think it is rare to get an open admission such as Ms. Conway gave right there in the YouTube video.  

Did you note the lump in her throat right before she said it?  Musta been a huge argument before they settled on that terminology.  I'll bet Kellyanne wasn't in the 'pro' camp. Makes her look like the fool.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 22, 2017 9:11 pm

Didn't watch the vid... so don't know... sorry...

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:16 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Didn't watch the vid... so don't know... sorry...

No problem, tommy. You don't count anyway.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:25 pm

But from the op article...


The use of words as euphemisms, inoffensive synonyms, anodyne bureaucratic jargon and political correctness... serve to socially manipulate the masses into passivity.

Terminology is a favourite for the world stage political con artists knowing they can cover up their ulterior motives with confusing words.

We can get some idea of these tell-tale signs of deception by looking at the language of 'Orwellian doublespeak' that's found its way into the modern-day vernacular. It's definitely worth giving some serious consideration but first allow me to explain with a little bit of background.

George Orwell (real name Eric Blair 1903-1950) having been educated at the illuminati associated Eton College; a place that produced some 19 prime ministers was well connected with members of the ruling elite. He was a member of the Fabian Society rubbing shoulders with the likes of Aldus Huxley author of 'Brave New World...'
Charlie Hebdo, Synagogue shootings, Orwell 1984, Orwellian Doublespeak, vaccines, war on terror, war on cancer
Published in 1949 not long before his death (at 46 years old) Orwell's envisioned futuristic nightmare classic novel '1984' about a totalitarian state was something already planned for and is still ongoing today. It has been said that it was code-named the year 1984 because it marks the Fabian society's centenary. The novel is an expose of the secret planned agenda by the ruling elite and their associates, serving as a warning to us that we need to do something to prevent its manifestation.

Consistent with Orwell's 1984, today we are living in a highly deceptive manipulative political world with all its propaganda and doublespeak spun for example by the 'ministry of truth' which is really nothing more than the 'ministry of lies...'
Charlie Hebdo, Synagogue shootings, Orwell 1984, Orwellian Doublespeak, vaccines, war on terror, war on cancer
Doublespeak was never used in the 1984 novel but it was a term coined much later after publication. Doublespeak combines the language of 'newspeak,' government invented to suppress the ability to develop treasonous ideas by the people... and 'doublethink,' a product of newspeak, which essentially means believing in two contradictory statements to be true at the same time... or saying one thing and meaning another.

Doublespeak is therefore purposefully evasive and contradictory. In 1984 the government ministries use doublespeak. For examples, the already mentioned Ministry of Truth erases history and disseminates lies. Then there is the Ministry of peace that creates war while the Ministry of love has a place where there's torture in room 101...etc, these are indeed blunt euphemisms.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 22, 2017 10:44 pm

Orwell used the term 'doublethink', using the noun that is the outcome or ideological result of doublespeak. That is why in the op I used the term 'doublethink'. But the term doublespeak made hundreds of appearances in the events of the novel, and thereafter the term doublespeak was most commonly used to describe how governments create the duplicity.

Noun to verb...it can be the highest compliment to hand to a writer like Orwell: his idea impelled a new language to describe a Brave New World...but that's another writer. Think of it as the verb form of doublethink: one speaks in doublespeak in order to create doublethink. It is by far the more popular usage of the idea derived from 1984.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:16 pm



Call it 'doublespeak/news-speak/doublethink' (or as I like to call it 'quantum thinking'), or even simply referred to as 'spin'... it is something we here in uk have been heavily subjected to from leftie/labour politicians, and been strongly complaining about for 20 years!!!



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Post by veya_victaous on Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:32 pm

Yep this has been heavily mocked down here.

I am surprised how faith in the USA has eroded so quickly.

Glad we have Turnbull as leader and not Abbott. we have a decent chance of finding new allies.

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Post by Original Quill on Sun Jan 22, 2017 11:43 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

Call it 'doublespeak/news-speak/doublethink' (or as I like to call it 'quantum thinking'),  or even simply referred to as 'spin'... it is something we here in uk have been heavily subjected to from leftie/labour politicians, and been strongly complaining about for 20 years!!!

Don't be afraid, tommy. Call it what it is...Lies. Cool

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:14 am

Yes... quite... and we here in uk have already been complaining about the lefties/labour/progressives lying twisting double speak bullshit waffle for 20 years now!!!


I have personally pointed out and argued against countless examples of this, here on this site, over the last couple of years...


Are we really now going to start seeing the leftie/progressives and major purveyors/deniers of lies and spin, start complaining about lies and spin...!?


Most amusing!

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 23, 2017 12:38 am

yes, but your just replacing one set of lies with another.

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:08 am

Hey, hey...let's have a little respect for the king of liars here.  The Ruski, pussy-grabber, golden shower guy is the biggest, most bodacious liar of them all.
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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:20 am

Original Quill wrote:Hey, hey...let's have a little respect for the king of liars here.  The Ruski, pussy-grabber, golden shower guy is the biggest, most bodacious liar of them all.
cheers

I'd say he has Very high Volume of lies but not really very good quality lies.
they are easily demonstrated as false, within minutes of his 1 to 1 and half million lies it was shown the max was about 300,000.. based on the transport ticketing system.

And he is not even a good liar in terms of he lies by default, he could have easily used a more truthful explanation for the lower numbers that most of his supporters where from poorer rural communities in southern states which would have been unlikely to spend what to them would be a lot of money travelling to Washington for the ceremony.
Obama had a higher number of affluent supporters nearer to Washington. thus easy for him to get a high number.

Instead he makes and easily disproved claim, not only not a very good liar but just not very smart either.

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veya_victaous wrote:
Original Quill wrote:Hey, hey...let's have a little respect for the king of liars here.  The Ruski, pussy-grabber, golden shower guy is the biggest, most bodacious liar of them all.
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I'd say he has Very high Volume of lies but not really very good quality lies.
they are easily demonstrated as false, within minutes of his 1 to 1 and half million lies it was shown the max was about 300,000.. based on the transport ticketing system.

And he is not even a good liar in terms of he lies by default, he could have easily used a more truthful explanation for the lower numbers that most of his supporters where from poorer rural communities in southern states which would have been unlikely to spend what to them would be a lot of money travelling to Washington for the ceremony.
Obama had a higher number of affluent supporters nearer to Washington. thus easy for him to get a high number.

Instead he makes and easily disproved claim, not only not a very good liar but just not very smart either.  

Fair point. Maybe there is a god after all. Because he is such a bad liar, perhaps the RW attempt at 'alternative facts' will fail for lack of genuine effort.

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 23, 2017 1:46 am

I stayed up to Watch the inauguration (started about 3am our time) and I found that SO WIERD, all the god stuff.
I have never felt so Culturally different to Americans than watching that.
the weird 'divine provenance' explanations.

down here we say it's all the blood, sweat and tears(beers) that made our nation, not some gods will. Alternative facts--welcome George Orwell 2190311264

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A selection of Alternatives fact tweets Razz Razz Razz


officer I am not drunk, I am alternative sober, #alternativefacts
— kyle humble (@khumble14) January 22, 2017



Next time I stand on the scale to check my weight, I will only accept #alternativefacts.
— Cornelia (@PaladinCornelia) January 22, 2017



Next time I'm late for work, I'm going to tell my boss that I'm not late, that I used an "alternative clock." #AlternativeFacts
— Gordon Bonnet (@TalesOfWhoa) January 22, 2017



I stuck an extension cord in my gas tank so now my car is electric. #AlternativeFacts
— Tommy Campbell (@MrTommyCampbell) January 22, 2017



doctor: you are deeply unhealthy
me (swallowing entire kebab): alternative fact
— Dee (@figgled) January 22, 2017



It's a little known fact that Trump's hair is actually grown in a field near Tromsø, Norway. #AlternativeFacts #Trump pic.twitter.com/sKSAcFE95E
— Alan Mackie (@Oldmanmackie) January 22, 2017

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Post by Original Quill on Mon Jan 23, 2017 4:02 am

lol!

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Post by veya_victaous on Mon Jan 23, 2017 5:11 am

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I know, so you have said.  I think it is rare to get an open admission such as Ms. Conway gave right there in the YouTube video.  

Did you note the lump in her throat right before she said it?  Musta been a huge argument before they settled on that terminology.  I'll bet Kellyanne wasn't in the 'pro' camp.  Makes her look like the fool.

Given I have gotten most I my info on Conway from Samantha Bee (she is a good commentator/comedian I highly recommend her to any fans of John Stewart of John Oliver)
But I find it very hard to have an sympathy for such a terrible person. No No No

And she already looked the fool Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes almost as sexist as trump himself Suspect Suspect

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I love the way she tries and tries, and tries again, to defend her lies...


Being so rself-ighteous abou their outright and ongoing lies..

Complaining about the press pointing out their lying..

And she never answered the original questions  !!!


Also :  she points out that 16.1 million women in the USA are "living in poverty" --  totally ignoring the salient fact that 8 years ago, that figure was over 30 million...

"Alternative facts" !  That whole concept sounds familiar..          Alternative facts--welcome George Orwell 3350646086

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote:Alternative facts--welcome George Orwell 3489511464

I love the way she tries and tries, and tries again, to defend her lies...

Being so rself-ighteous abou their outright and ongoing lies..

Complaining about the press pointing out their lying..

And she never answered the original questions  !!!

Also :  she points out that 16.1 million women in the USA are "living in poverty" --  totally ignoring the salient fact that 8 years ago, that figure was over 30 million...

"Alternative facts" !  That whole concept sounds familiar..          Alternative facts--welcome George Orwell 3350646086

What's interesting is that Trump sends out delegates to lie about his lies.  Sean Spencer says biggest crowds ever, while the camera pans the glaring empty seats in the mall.  Next day Kellyanne Conway is sent out to tell us that Spencer was talking about 'alternate facts' (I, too, feel sorry for her...she will forever after be known as the 'alternative girl'.)

Trump has delegated the feedback cycle...so he'll never have to hear the criticism.  Trump is afraid of the press...he is an inveterate liar and the press keeps making noises (asking questions) that hurt his ears.  What he is doing by sending out surrogates to listen for him, is negating one of his god-given senses: his ears!


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His motto must be: money lets you enjoy the pleasures, but delegate the pain.  The problem is, in Nature pain is not a bad thing.  It's a warning system, that tells you something needs fixing.  To put it in other, stronger words, 'pussy-grabber' Don will never hear a train before it hits him.

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