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Post by Guest on Tue Jan 17, 2017 7:15 pm

According to a new CNN/ORC poll, Donald Trump will take office Friday with the lowest approval ratings for any recent president and his transition efforts. The president-elect will be sworn in while his approal rating is 44 percentage points below outgoing President Barack Obama’s; and while approval ratings for his transition efforts are more than 20 percentage points below Obama’s, George W. Bush’s, and Bill Clinton’s. Across the board, approval ratings for various aspects of Trump’s transition have plummeted since November. Nearly 53 percent of Americans surveyed now say Trump’s handling of his transition since Election Day has made them less confident in his ability to handle the highest office in the land—a 10 percentage-point increase in disapproval since November. Additionally, the disapproval of his handling of transition efforts has climbed 7 percentage points to 52 percent, and the percentage of those who think Trump will be a good president dropped 5 points since the election.


 Naturally, Trump himself responded on Twitter on Tuesday morning, declaring approval polls “rigged.” 


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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:01 pm

Meanwhile, Obama is enjoying his highest approval rating since 2009, and the majority of Americans say they'll miss him:

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.

A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.

Amid those glowing reviews, one-quarter of Americans (25%) say Obama is one of the nation's greatest presidents, far outpacing the share who felt that way about other recent presidents as their terms ended (11% described Reagan that way, 10% Clinton, and 5% or fewer said so about either President Bush). Still, nearly as many (23%) call Obama a poor president, more than said so about Reagan, Clinton or the first president Bush, but well below the 46% who said George W. Bush was a poor president as he prepared to leave the White House.

That assessment of Obama's presidency, as well as his approval ratings, are marked by sharp partisan divides. While 54% of Democrats consider Obama one of the greatest presidents, 54% of Republicans call him a poor president. Though he has earned near universal approval among Democrats (95% approve), just 18% of Republicans say they approve of how he handled the presidency. That gap explains the difference between Obama's approval rating and those of the two former presidents who left office with higher marks.

Both Reagan and Clinton held approval ratings above 9-in-10 among their own partisans, yet their approval ratings among those in the opposing party outpaced Obama's, with 39% of Republicans saying they approved of Clinton at the end of his term and 38% of Democrats approving of Reagan as he prepared to leave office.

Looking back at the critical issues of the Obama years, Americans give the President positive ratings for handling several issues that were central to his first run for office: the economy, foreign affairs and race relations among them.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/18/politics/obama-approval-rating-cnn-orc-poll/

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Post by eddie on Wed Jan 18, 2017 7:18 pm

I should think they will miss him, he was slightly too polished for my liking but he's been your best president in recent history imo.

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:20 am

Ben Reilly wrote:Meanwhile, Obama is enjoying his highest approval rating since 2009, and the majority of Americans say they'll miss him:

Washington (CNN)President Barack Obama will leave office Friday with his highest approval rating since 2009, his presidency largely viewed as a success, and a majority saying they will miss him when he is gone.

A new CNN/ORC poll finds Obama's approval rating stands at 60%, his best mark since June of his first year in office. Compared with other outgoing presidents, Obama lands near the top of the list, outranked only by Bill Clinton's 66% in January 2001 and Ronald Reagan's 64% in January 1989. About two-thirds (65%) say Obama's presidency was a success, including about half (49%) who say that was due to Obama's personal strengths rather than circumstances outside his control.

Amid those glowing reviews, one-quarter of Americans (25%) say Obama is one of the nation's greatest presidents, far outpacing the share who felt that way about other recent presidents as their terms ended (11% described Reagan that way, 10% Clinton, and 5% or fewer said so about either President Bush). Still, nearly as many (23%) call Obama a poor president, more than said so about Reagan, Clinton or the first president Bush, but well below the 46% who said George W. Bush was a poor president as he prepared to leave the White House.

That assessment of Obama's presidency, as well as his approval ratings, are marked by sharp partisan divides. While 54% of Democrats consider Obama one of the greatest presidents, 54% of Republicans call him a poor president. Though he has earned near universal approval among Democrats (95% approve), just 18% of Republicans say they approve of how he handled the presidency. That gap explains the difference between Obama's approval rating and those of the two former presidents who left office with higher marks.

Both Reagan and Clinton held approval ratings above 9-in-10 among their own partisans, yet their approval ratings among those in the opposing party outpaced Obama's, with 39% of Republicans saying they approved of Clinton at the end of his term and 38% of Democrats approving of Reagan as he prepared to leave office.

Looking back at the critical issues of the Obama years, Americans give the President positive ratings for handling several issues that were central to his first run for office: the economy, foreign affairs and race relations among them.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/18/politics/obama-approval-rating-cnn-orc-poll/

I think a mix of the media and racism are responsible for the massive disparity in views of Obama. For some, and I don't care is the word is thrown around a lot these days, some racist idiots could NEVER get over the fact Obama was a black President with a foreign sounding name. For them, everything he did would be terrible and to hell with giving him a chance.

But more importantly, the media in the US has become so polarising that there seems to be (from an outsiders pov, the Americans I work with are wholly Democratic liberals), that the country has been pushed further and further apart based on where they get their information. Medicaid is either the single greatest achievement of Obama, bringing healthcare to MILLIONS of poorer people OR Obamacare is a disgusting infringement on a person's right to choose and a display of ego-maniacal big government interference. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground there either.

With such split narratives it's little wonder there is such a difference in views- where one man can be seen as one of the greatest or worst of all time.


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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:38 am

@Eilzel

I think you forgot the import word?
for some, 'racists' or 'hillshepherds' maybe

I also think that it is entirely accurate too.
the idea that healthcare reform was anything but Absolutely needed is quite simple Ludacris

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Post by Ben Reilly on Thu Jan 19, 2017 5:40 am

@Les: That is really true -- and I think conservatives can't really complain about the so-called liberal media anymore, given they have a whole host of conservative media catering to them now.

My problem with these media outlets on the right is that they don't work the way mainstream media outlets work. Mainstream media outlets strive first and foremost to be objective, while conservative media outlets put politics ahead of the facts.

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Post by Eilzel on Thu Jan 19, 2017 9:15 am

You are quite right, veya. Ammended as appropriate.

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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:09 am

Eilzel wrote:
Ben Reilly wrote:Meanwhile, Obama is enjoying his highest approval rating since 2009, and the majority of Americans say they'll miss him:



http://www.cnn.com/2017/01/18/politics/obama-approval-rating-cnn-orc-poll/

I think a mix of the media and racism are responsible for the massive disparity in views of Obama. For some, and I don't care is the word is thrown around a lot these days, some racist idiots could NEVER get over the fact Obama was a black President with a foreign sounding name. For them, everything he did would be terrible and to hell with giving him a chance.

But more importantly, the media in the US has become so polarising that there seems to be (from an outsiders pov, the Americans I work with are wholly Democratic liberals), that the country has been pushed further and further apart based on where they get their information. Medicaid is either the single greatest achievement of Obama, bringing healthcare to MILLIONS of poorer people OR Obamacare is a disgusting infringement on a person's right to choose and a display of ego-maniacal big government interference. There doesn't seem to be any middle ground there either.

With such split narratives it's little wonder there is such a difference in views- where one man can be seen as one of the greatest or worst of all time.



As I have said time and time again, most people, including me. think he is one of the best domestically Presidents ever and yet just about the worst foreign policy wise. I mean a president who does not refer to Islamic terrorism, as Islamic is just about as naive and wrong as it gets. His poor decision to believe Iran is going to not build any nukes, its as bad as Clinton with North Korea, the same failing. His inaction with Syria, has led to hundreds of thousands of dead and his anti Israel stance, has pushed back the peace process for years. So yes lets applaud his domestic polices, but foreign policy wise he has pandered to Islamic extremism. Wrongly thinking that if the US panders to the likes PA, Iran etc, that Muslims will see the US in a better light. Its naive beyond belief when there is a constant rhetoric of hate against the US within the Muslim world. Where also many Muslims hate him for killing Bin Laden, especially the Palestinians.

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:16 pm

@Thorin: Only Congress can declare wars.  By refusing to even consider the proposed war bill sent up to the hill in 2013, Congress arm-wrestled the President into a stalemate.  It's a bit more than hypocritical to lay the blame on the President's doorstep when whole mess is that of the recalcitrant Republicans.

Indeed, Dr. Obama has done a yeoman's job out-maneuvering Republicans in foreign policy using only executive powers...given the Republican's morally treasonous foot-dragging.

@Les: Learning at Lee Atwater's symposium, Republicans turned the game of politics into one of buzz-words and dog whistles.  This, in turn, led to covert agendas in which truth and duplicity were the stock in trade.  

When that happened, there came into being room for debate on framing.  Simultaneously, the cable industry came along, opening up wild competition on the communications networks.  In America, it was no longer ABC, CBS and NBC alone...but Fox News on the right and MSNBC on the left, and a thousand in-between outlets.  That, more than anything else, has polarized America.

And the competition for even more radical views is still on-going...look at Breitbart News.  Indeed, the competition is no longer for radical alternative framing, but for testing how close to the edge of truth one can skate without being called a liar and a fraud.


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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:19 pm

1) Copout reply and we have been over this before. where you came unstuck applying the Brexit attitude

2) He has been worse than Bush foreign policy wise and that is saying something

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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:31 pm

Thorin wrote:1) Copout reply and we have been over this before. where you came unstuck applying the Brexit attitude

2) He has been worse than Bush foreign policy wise and that is saying something

Unresponsive and irresponsible.  Proper analysis requires more than just throwing up a few value adjectives, without any calibration or factual grounding.  

Why was the Bush foreign policy better than Obama's, when Bush's program opened up a new wound worldwide in the Christian/Muslim split, led to the longest war in American history, cost $17-trillion, championed rape, torture, kidnapping, murder and renewed concentrations camps, and caused the world to enter into the second Great Depression?  Who could top that?

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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 19, 2017 2:38 pm

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Thorin wrote:1) Copout reply and we have been over this before. where you came unstuck applying the Brexit attitude

2) He has been worse than Bush foreign policy wise and that is saying something

Unresponsive and irresponsible.  Proper analysis requires more than just throwing up a few value adjectives, without any calibration or factual grounding.  

Why was the Bush foreign policy better than Obama's, when Bush's program opened up a new wound worldwide in the Christian/Muslim split, led to the longest war in American history, cost $17-trillion, championed rape, torture, kidnapping, murder and renewed concentrations camps, and caused the world to enter into the second Great Depression?  Who could top that?


Well if you care to read back I already did

So you place the value of money over human lives

That says it all to me

As I have said time and time again, most people, including me. think he is one of the best domestically Presidents ever and yet just about the worst foreign policy wise. I mean a president who does not refer to Islamic terrorism, as Islamic is just about as naive and wrong as it gets. His poor decision to believe Iran is going to not build any nukes, its as bad as Clinton with North Korea, the same failing. His inaction with Syria, has led to hundreds of thousands of dead and his anti Israel stance, has pushed back the peace process for years. So yes lets applaud his domestic polices, but foreign policy wise he has pandered to Islamic extremism. Wrongly thinking that if the US panders to the likes PA, Iran etc, that Muslims will see the US in a better light. Its naive beyond belief when there is a constant rhetoric of hate against the US within the Muslim world. Where also many Muslims hate him for killing Bin Laden, especially the Palestinians.


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Jan 19, 2017 3:46 pm

Thorin wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

Unresponsive and irresponsible.  Proper analysis requires more than just throwing up a few value adjectives, without any calibration or factual grounding.  

Why was the Bush foreign policy better than Obama's, when Bush's program opened up a new wound worldwide in the Christian/Muslim split, led to the longest war in American history, cost $17-trillion, championed rape, torture, kidnapping, murder and renewed concentrations camps, and caused the world to enter into the second Great Depression?  Who could top that?


Well if you care to read back I already did

So you place the value of money over human lives

That says it all to me

As I have said time and time again, most people, including me. think he is one of the best domestically Presidents ever and yet just about the worst foreign policy wise. I mean a president who does not refer to Islamic terrorism, as Islamic is just about as naive and wrong as it gets. His poor decision to believe Iran is going to not build any nukes, its as bad as Clinton with North Korea, the same failing. His inaction with Syria, has led to hundreds of thousands of dead and his anti Israel stance, has pushed back the peace process for years. So yes lets applaud his domestic polices, but foreign policy wise he has pandered to Islamic extremism. Wrongly thinking that if the US panders to the likes PA, Iran etc, that Muslims will see the US in a better light. Its naive beyond belief when there is a constant rhetoric of hate against the US within the Muslim world. Where also many Muslims hate him for killing Bin Laden, especially the Palestinians.


Didge, I want to stop us from killing any more babies. You want to launch yet another war replete with killing more babies. How is that in any way involving money?

If anyone is playing with money, it's you who want to engage in another costly war, potentially bankrupting the world just like last time.

Bring it down to earth. If we go on another Muslim-killing rampage with ISIS, we'll just be playing wack-a-mole. There's another movement waiting to pop up just around the corner.

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Well if you care to read back I already did

So you place the value of money over human lives

That says it all to me

As I have said time and time again, most people, including me. think he is one of the best domestically Presidents ever and yet just about the worst foreign policy wise. I mean a president who does not refer to Islamic terrorism, as Islamic is just about as naive and wrong as it gets. His poor decision to believe Iran is going to not build any nukes, its as bad as Clinton with North Korea, the same failing. His inaction with Syria, has led to hundreds of thousands of dead and his anti Israel stance, has pushed back the peace process for years. So yes lets applaud his domestic polices, but foreign policy wise he has pandered to Islamic extremism. Wrongly thinking that if the US panders to the likes PA, Iran etc, that Muslims will see the US in a better light. Its naive beyond belief when there is a constant rhetoric of hate against the US within the Muslim world. Where also many Muslims hate him for killing Bin Laden, especially the Palestinians.


Didge, I want to stop us from killing any more babies.  You want to launch yet another war replete with killing more babies.  How is that in any way involving money?  

If anyone is playing with money, it's you who want to engage in another costly war, potentially bankrupting the world just like last time.

Bring it down to earth.  If we go on another Muslim-killing rampage with ISIS, we'll just be playing wack-a-mole.  There's another movement waiting to pop up just around the corner.

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But you never stopped babies from being killed

In fact you sat by and watched thousands die, when the US could have prevented this

Sorry your poor "lets throw in the poor babies being killed argument" is not going to cut it when 12 million children die world wide each year and I dont see the US doing much about it. Another of its failings

Yes I would gladly spend money to bring to justice genocidal killers like Saddam and Assad. As there should never be a price on bringing war criminals to justice. 

Well considering this is not doing the same thing over again and half a million are dead, shows that doing nothing is even worse than getting involved. As this time, half a million are dead in less the time, 2 million wounded and 11 million have been displaced and have caused a massive flood of refugees more so into Europe. Which never happened with the Iraq war. Which by the way was over very shortly and the people freed from a tyrant. What did they do with this freedom? Start butchering each other over supremacy of Islam

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:10 pm

Thorin Just because you are racist doesn't mean Obama has to be
Iran has just as much right to Nu8kes as Israel

AND it not our job to save the world, Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes
people like You are WHY the west is hated in large parts of the world, you can't leave good enough alone and You are so Busy telling Everyone else What is best for them you forget you parliament is Full of Peados

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Post by Guest on Thu Jan 19, 2017 10:12 pm

veya_victaous wrote:Thorin Just because you are racist doesn't mean Obama has to be
Iran has just as much right to Nu8kes as Israel

AND it not our job to save the world,  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes  Rolling Eyes
people like You are WHY the west is hated in large parts of the world, you can't leave good enough alone and You are so Busy telling Everyone else What is best for them you forget you parliament is Full of Peados

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Well Iran has vowed to wipe Israel off the face of the earth
It also is in a proxy war with Saudi, which will no doubt create a second nuclear arms race in the Middle East
Where if such countries have such weapons, it makes it highly likely that terrorists will be able to get their hands on them.

That is why Obama disagrees with you, as the reason he made this deal was to ensure Iran does not obtain any nukes. Where I disagree with Obama, is that he is being fooled to wrongly think they will not make nukes.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Jan 19, 2017 11:42 pm

And IF they can make them of their own accord then...

So you think We should INVADE yet another nation because they Might do something.
They Might become a threat so lets Kill them now?
that is your position is it?

And you wonder why I mock your poorly thought through crusades Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:08 am

veya_victaous wrote:And IF they can make them of their own accord then...

So you think We should INVADE yet another nation because they Might do something.
They Might become a threat so lets Kill them now?
that is your position is it?

And you wonder why I mock your poorly thought through crusades Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


Who needs to invade. The Israeli's will just do what the rest failed to do last time when Saddam was trying to build nukes. Bomb their nuclear reactor. So they will take out their facilities to build any bombs and who can blame them. When its Iran that supplies both Hamas and Hezbollah in their attempts to wipe out the Jews.

So thanks again for basically showing me you have the intellect of a hamster and impart such poor wisdom I never even stated

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Post by veya_victaous on Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:30 am

So what then
you have this one isolated nation nuking it's neighbors

OWNING nukes is not the problem or the mark or morality,
It is Using them !!!
And like you said WE DO KNOW ONE GROUP more than willing to use them with very little provocation.
Clearly they are the Real threat to World peace.
Who ever pushes the Button first is in the Wrong.

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Post by Guest on Fri Jan 20, 2017 1:51 am

veya_victaous wrote:So what then
you have this one isolated nation nuking it's neighbors

OWNING nukes is not the problem or the mark or morality,
It is Using them !!!
And like you said WE DO KNOW ONE GROUP more than willing to use them with very little provocation.
Clearly they are the Real threat to World peace.
Who ever pushes the Button first is in the Wrong.


Nobody is nuking its neighbors

Iran if it did have them, has promised to use them on Israel

Maybe you are wishing for a second holocaust, but I think Israel has a right to defend itself from extinction

Israel has had nukes for years and has never used them

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