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Post by Angry Andy on Wed Dec 21, 2016 10:32 am

[size=39]Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
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Published:16:25 GMT+00:00 Wed 21 December 2016
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‘These individuals are a political cesspit.’Photograph: Nigel Roddis/EPA

[size=35]These are times of grave danger, with dissent recast as treason, racism unchained and intolerance on the march. We must take a stand before things get even worse[/size][/size]
No more pussyfooting around: [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nigel-farage]Nigel Farage[/url] and his associates have poisoned our country’s political culture, and it’s time to push back. Their offensive – in every sense of the word – has been so swift, so devastating, that we risk normalising it.
Let’s take a moment to absorb their latest intervention. In June this year, [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/jo-cox]Jo Cox[/url], a Labour MP, was murdered by [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder]Thomas Mair[/url], a fascist, white supremacist terrorist. As he stabbed and shot her, he yelled “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!” This was a political act: the use of violence to achieve political ends. The individual who politicised Jo’s death was the terrorist who killed her.
If anybody has a right to speak out about the dangers of hatred and extremism in modern Britain, it is Jo’s bereaved husband, [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/nov/23/brendan-cox-youve-heard-so-much-about-jos-death-wed-like-to-talk-about-her-life]Brendan[/url].
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On Tuesday morning, hours after a [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/berlin-christmas-market-attack]truck was driven into a Berlin Christmas market[/url], Nigel Farage [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]spotted an opportunity[/url]. “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote, not even bothering to separate his horror and his vindication with a comma. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]Brendan Cox’s response[/url] – “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists? That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – was logically flawless.
Farage’s response in turn – that Cox “would know more about extremists than me” because of his links to the anti-fascist organisation Hope Not Hate– is shocking on a number of levels. First, he is talking about a widower whose wife was murdered by an extremist six months ago. Second, he smeared an organisation that exists to drive back racism – at a time when hate crimes have surged after a referendum campaign made inflammatory by politicians including Nigel Farage.
[url=x-gu://playvideo/gu-video-58591efee4b008a61d88ba9f] Play Video. Duration:1:25[/url]Farage accuses Brendan Cox of backing extremist groups

[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder[/url]

Then came Farage’s sidekicks. “When are we allowed to say that Brendan Cox is a total arse?” tweeted the Breitbart columnist James Delingpole. “I’m sorry about his wife but he chose to massively politicise it. Who does that?” asked Ukip bankroller Arron Banks, accusing Jo’s widower – rather than the far-right terrorist who killed her – of politicising her death.
When Hope Not Hate threatened legal action to defend its reputation after being [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/video/2016/dec/20/farage-accuses-brendan-cox-of-backing-extremist-groups-video]smeared on national radio[/url] by a prominent politician, Farage’s henchman [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/oct/31/raheem-kassam-pulls-out-of-ukip-leadership-contest]Raheem Kassam[/url] accused the organisation of “using threats to attempt to silence political opposition. Idiots don’t realise how powerful he became this year”.
When Farage’s power was queried, Kassam responded with a picture of Farage and Donald Trump in the president-elect’s golden lift. Don’t mess with Farage, was Kassam’s implication, because he now has the patronage of the soon-to-be most powerful man on Earth. (You can donate to Hope not Hate’s ]legal fund here.)
These individuals are a political cesspit. They are almost farcically unpleasant comic-book villains. Kassam has called for [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nicola-sturgeon]Nicola Sturgeon[/url]’s mouth to be taped shut, “and her legs so she can’t reproduce”, while Banks has ridiculed journalists for reporting racist incidents. Farage himself stood in front of a poster featuring dark-skinned migrants and the words “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants]BREAKING POINT[/url]” just days before the referendum.
Some say: just ignore them. Treat them as internet trolls who thrive on attention. They want nothing more than to be ignored.
This is, I’m afraid, terribly naive. These individuals are transforming political culture in Britain. Consider how much more venomous, poisonous and intolerant politics has become in just the course of the year. Left unchecked, it will get much, much worse.
There is a deliberate attempt to delegitimise all shades of progressive opinion. This is the approach of the rightwing authoritarian populism sweeping the western world: to treat all left-of-centre opinion as illegitimate, extremist and even treasonous. The British press – dominated as it is by rightwing oligarchs – is instrumental in forging this intolerant new culture.
Two months ago, the Daily Mail – Britain’s second newspaper – had a front page that read: “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/media/2016/oct/12/daily-mail-bremoaners-brexit-mps-cbi-bbc-paul-dacre]Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people.[/url]” The Daily Express opted for “Time to silence EU exit whingers.” As [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/eu-referendum]Brexit[/url] encounters trouble – as it will – this will deteriorate, and rapidly so. Critics of the government’s Brexit agenda will be transformed into traitors and wreckers responsible for sabotaging Britain’s grand national revolution.

[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Donald Trump on tape saying 'every racist thing ever', claims actor Tom Arnold[/url]

Online, you can see how hysteria and hatred are being stirred up. During the referendum campaign a far-right activist photoshopped a picture of me holding a whiteboard explaining my reasons for voting remain: it was changed to claim it was because “Britain’s loss of independence is justice for colonialism”. It was shared on various far-right websites, including Britain First. Using their own names, people responded by suggesting we “should start just shooting these freaks”, that I was “a traitor and [need] to be erased”, that I needed a “smack in the face with a baseball bat”, and so on.
From politicians to journalists, many of those deemed to be dissenting from the tide of rightwing populism have experienced the same. Next month Donald Trump will enter the White House, becoming the chief patron of the rightwing populists, and there will be many elections in which such movements are expected to succeed, such as in France and the Netherlands.
The atmosphere is intolerant now; the risk is it may become suffocating. And as it does, as more hysteria and hatred is stirred up, violent extremists – such as Jo Cox’s killer – will become ever more emboldened. For some reason we forget that it was only five years ago that the far-right terrorist [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/anders-behring-breivik]Anders Breivik[/url]marched on to a Norwegian island and murdered dozens of young socialists. Why? Because he considered them to be traitors to their country, responsible for the “Islamisation” of Norway and Europe.
We face a great danger, and not even those who will suffer because of it have realised just how grave it is. Intolerance and hatred have been legitimised across the western world. Dissent is becoming treason. That is bad enough. But there are other violent extremists who are being both radicalised and legitimised across the west. If we don’t take a stand now, new dark chapters are soon to arrive.



Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by nicko on Wed Dec 21, 2016 11:26 am

Owen Jones, your scraping the bottom of the barrel, a right little tit.

Of course that's just my opinion, [along with thousands of others]
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 21, 2016 12:52 pm


What a complete load of idiotic hysterical ranting bullshit...!



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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Angry Andy on Wed Dec 21, 2016 1:57 pm

Jones clearly has the far right in a blather. Hecis bright, intellegent and articulate. Moreover, he is in tune with a lot of people.
Some on her wont like him simply because he is gay.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by nicko on Wed Dec 21, 2016 2:42 pm

Oh, he's gay is he? I honestly didn't know that. Still a tit though.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Dec 21, 2016 3:13 pm

It is the 'progressives' who have been exposed as neither 'left' or 'centre left' or 'democratic' as it has become increasingly aparrant to the overwhelming vast majority of British (and also vast majority of people of other European countries) that they (the 'progressives') only exist for their surreptitious pursuit of imposing their own agenda, and which is one that is completely unwanted/unsupported by majority of any of those whom they purport to represent!



Nobody voted FOR what you have been sneakily doing behind your webs of lies and deceit... and voting for people who are against you and your treacherous betrayals is a lot less 'far right' than you have ever been honest and democratic and doing what the electorate ever wanted in the first place!!!


We didn't vote for what you have done... we didn't vote for what you intend to carry on doing...!


And we are only ever going to vote for those who are against you now that we can see what you are all about!!!

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Post by Jules on Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:36 pm

Owen Jones is a darling. I've posted a couple of his vlogs. Earnest guy. God bless him!

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Jules on Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:37 pm

Yes he's gay.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:40 pm

I couldn't be bothered with that - it's full of codes and stuff.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Dec 21, 2016 4:43 pm

I did, however, read the link.

To be fair, Mr Cox was the one who started it. I'd have to read up on "Hope not Hate" before I could comment on whether Mr Farage had a point or not.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:42 am

Here is Jones doing a hissy fit and storming off sky news...



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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by eddie on Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:43 am

I quite like him to be fair. He does get rather passionate but I like that.

Farage was being a tit, if you ask me.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 12:57 pm

Hope not Hate want to sue Mr Farage for libel. They need to grow up and realise that politics is a game where all kinds of things will be said.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/hope-not-hate-nigel-farage-lawsuit-sue-crowdfunding-jo-cox-brendan-comments-berlin-attack-a7487226.html

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:10 pm

I'll be contributing - all part of the game. Wink

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:12 pm

You'd think that Hope not Hate would have better things to spend donations on really ...

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:You'd think that Hope not Hate would have better things to spend donations on really ...

Farage is a valid target.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:17 pm

So Hope not Hate are targeting people? Are they really any better than UAF?

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:21 pm

Perfectly reasonable when Farage says stuff like this:

“Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox, he backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful but actually pursue violent and very undemocratic means.”

They must protect their reputation - Farage can have his day in court to substantiate his assertion.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:28 pm

Ziz wrote:Perfectly reasonable when Farage says stuff like this:

“Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox, he backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful but actually pursue violent and very undemocratic means.”

They must protect their reputation - Farage can have his day in court to substantiate his assertion.

They can merely reply and refute what he's saying - if they can. You don't see the Tories or the Labour party suing people for criticising them or blaming them for things they say they haven't done.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:33 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:Perfectly reasonable when Farage says stuff like this:

“Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox, he backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful but actually pursue violent and very undemocratic means.”

They must protect their reputation - Farage can have his day in court to substantiate his assertion.

They can merely reply and refute what he's saying - if they can. You don't see the Tories or the Labour party suing people for criticising them or blaming them for things they say they haven't done.

Better a high profile court case imv - hopefully show Farage for the hate-monger he is.

Hope Not Hate is not a political party.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:41 pm

Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

They can merely reply and refute what he's saying - if they can. You don't see the Tories or the Labour party suing people for criticising them or blaming them for things they say they haven't done.

Better a high profile court case imv - hopefully show Farage for the hate-monger he is.

Hope Not Hate is not a political party.

It's a political organisation. I have nothing against them - after all they speak out against Islamic extremism and they spoke out against Choudary and his ilk. However, suing someone is a bit silly IMO. Of course Mr Farage doesn't like them much - they were very critical of him and UKIP. They need to play the game properly instead of running to the courts.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Angry Andy on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:44 pm

Then Farage should stop making libellous accusations.
Let the courts decide.
If guilty, they should ask for massive damages.Every little helps .


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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:46 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Better a high profile court case imv - hopefully show Farage for the hate-monger he is.

Hope Not Hate is not a political party.

It's a political organisation. I have nothing against them - after all they speak out against Islamic extremism and they spoke out against Choudary and his ilk. However, suing someone is a bit silly IMO. Of course Mr Farage doesn't like them much - they were very critical of him and UKIP. They need to play the game properly instead of running to the courts.

Take a hater who they believe has libelled/slandered them to court is entirely appropriate - if Farage doesn't like it he can withdraw his charge.


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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:48 pm

I don't agree ...

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Angry Andy on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:48 pm

He can save face - and costs, by withdrawing his allegations and settle out of court.
But will he ego allow him to do that.


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Raggamuffin wrote:I don't agree ...

Then you should take it up with Hope Not Hate - perhaps you can persuade them?

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:50 pm

Handy Andy wrote:He can save face - and costs, by withdraeing his allegations and settle out of court.
But will he ego allow him to do that.

Not his ego - his political mission.

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Post by Angry Andy on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:51 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I don't agree ...
Disagree all you like. But its not your call.
Will you accept the court's verdict?

I know at least one genius on here who will refuse to accept the courts decision as binding.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:52 pm

Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't agree ...

Then you should take it up with Hope Not Hate - perhaps you can persuade them?

Why? I'm merely commenting on a forum about it. You're the one getting involved and chucking your money away.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Then you should take it up with Hope Not Hate - perhaps you can persuade them?

Why?
I'm merely commenting on a forum about it. You're the one getting involved and chucking your money away.

I thought you cared.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:53 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't agree ...
Disagree all you like. But its not your call.
Will you accept the court's verdict?

I know at least one genius on here who will refuse to accept the courts decision as binding.

Perhaps the verdict should be put to a referendum? Laughing


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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:54 pm

Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

Why?
I'm merely commenting on a forum about it. You're the one getting involved and chucking your money away.

I thought you cared.

I just explained.

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Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I thought you cared.

I just explained.

Indeed you did.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Thu Dec 22, 2016 1:55 pm

Handy Andy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:I don't agree ...
Disagree all you like. But its not your call.
Will you accept the court's verdict?

I know at least one genius on here who will refuse to accept the courts decision as binding.

It's my right to disagree, so it is my call. You can't force me to agree.

What if the judgement went against Hope not Hate? I bet you'd refuse to accept the court's decision.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:10 pm

nicko wrote:Owen Jones,   your scraping the bottom of the barrel,   a right little tit.

Of course that's just my opinion,    [along with thousands of others]

Jones is a grossly overrated narcissist who is incapable of recognising that others hold opinions that differ from his own and of accepting that they have an equal right to express them.
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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:52 pm

Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:You'd think that Hope not Hate would have better things to spend donations on really ...

Farage is a valid target.



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What the fuk are you saying...!!!???



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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Dec 22, 2016 3:55 pm

Ziz wrote:Perfectly reasonable when Farage says stuff like this:

“Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox, he backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful but actually pursue violent and very undemocratic means.”

They must protect their reputation - Farage can have his day in court to substantiate his assertion.


There is no 'day in court' to be had for anything said by Farage here...


WTF are you wittering on about...!?



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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Jules on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:11 pm

Handy Andy wrote:[size=39]Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough
[url=x-gu://list/https://mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/profile/owen-jones]Owen Jones[/url]


Published:16:25 GMT+00:00 Wed 21 December 2016
[url=x-gu://follow/profile/owen-jones] Following Owen Jones[/url]


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‘These individuals are a political cesspit.’Photograph: Nigel Roddis/EPA

[size=35]These are times of grave danger, with dissent recast as treason, racism unchained and intolerance on the march. We must take a stand before things get even worse[/size][/size]
No more pussyfooting around: [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nigel-farage]Nigel Farage[/url] and his associates have poisoned our country’s political culture, and it’s time to push back. Their offensive – in every sense of the word – has been so swift, so devastating, that we risk normalising it.
Let’s take a moment to absorb their latest intervention. In June this year, [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/jo-cox]Jo Cox[/url], a Labour MP, was murdered by [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder]Thomas Mair[/url], a fascist, white supremacist terrorist. As he stabbed and shot her, he yelled “Death to traitors, freedom for Britain!” This was a political act: the use of violence to achieve political ends. The individual who politicised Jo’s death was the terrorist who killed her.
If anybody has a right to speak out about the dangers of hatred and extremism in modern Britain, it is Jo’s bereaved husband, [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/nov/23/brendan-cox-youve-heard-so-much-about-jos-death-wed-like-to-talk-about-her-life]Brendan[/url].
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On Tuesday morning, hours after a [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/berlin-christmas-market-attack]truck was driven into a Berlin Christmas market[/url], Nigel Farage [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]spotted an opportunity[/url]. “Terrible news from Berlin but no surprise,” he wrote, not even bothering to separate his horror and his vindication with a comma. “Events like these will be the Merkel legacy.” [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/dec/20/nigel-farage-accuses-jo-cox-widower-brendan-cox-of-supporting-extremism]Brendan Cox’s response[/url] – “blaming politicians for the actions of extremists? That’s a slippery slope Nigel” – was logically flawless.
Farage’s response in turn – that Cox “would know more about extremists than me” because of his links to the anti-fascist organisation Hope Not Hate– is shocking on a number of levels. First, he is talking about a widower whose wife was murdered by an extremist six months ago. Second, he smeared an organisation that exists to drive back racism – at a time when hate crimes have surged after a referendum campaign made inflammatory by politicians including Nigel Farage.
[url=x-gu://playvideo/gu-video-58591efee4b008a61d88ba9f] Play Video. Duration:1:25[/url]Farage accuses Brendan Cox of backing extremist groups

[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/uk-news/2016/nov/23/thomas-mair-found-guilty-of-jo-cox-murder?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Far-right terrorist Thomas Mair jailed for life for Jo Cox murder[/url]

Then came Farage’s sidekicks. “When are we allowed to say that Brendan Cox is a total arse?” tweeted the Breitbart columnist James Delingpole. “I’m sorry about his wife but he chose to massively politicise it. Who does that?” asked Ukip bankroller Arron Banks, accusing Jo’s widower – rather than the far-right terrorist who killed her – of politicising her death.
When Hope Not Hate threatened legal action to defend its reputation after being [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/video/2016/dec/20/farage-accuses-brendan-cox-of-backing-extremist-groups-video]smeared on national radio[/url] by a prominent politician, Farage’s henchman [url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/oct/31/raheem-kassam-pulls-out-of-ukip-leadership-contest]Raheem Kassam[/url] accused the organisation of “using threats to attempt to silence political opposition. Idiots don’t realise how powerful he became this year”.
When Farage’s power was queried, Kassam responded with a picture of Farage and Donald Trump in the president-elect’s golden lift. Don’t mess with Farage, was Kassam’s implication, because he now has the patronage of the soon-to-be most powerful man on Earth. (You can donate to Hope not Hate’s ]legal fund here.)
These individuals are a political cesspit. They are almost farcically unpleasant comic-book villains. Kassam has called for [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/nicola-sturgeon]Nicola Sturgeon[/url]’s mouth to be taped shut, “and her legs so she can’t reproduce”, while Banks has ridiculed journalists for reporting racist incidents. Farage himself stood in front of a poster featuring dark-skinned migrants and the words “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/politics/2016/jun/16/nigel-farage-defends-ukip-breaking-point-poster-queue-of-migrants]BREAKING POINT[/url]” just days before the referendum.
Some say: just ignore them. Treat them as internet trolls who thrive on attention. They want nothing more than to be ignored.
This is, I’m afraid, terribly naive. These individuals are transforming political culture in Britain. Consider how much more venomous, poisonous and intolerant politics has become in just the course of the year. Left unchecked, it will get much, much worse.
There is a deliberate attempt to delegitimise all shades of progressive opinion. This is the approach of the rightwing authoritarian populism sweeping the western world: to treat all left-of-centre opinion as illegitimate, extremist and even treasonous. The British press – dominated as it is by rightwing oligarchs – is instrumental in forging this intolerant new culture.
Two months ago, the Daily Mail – Britain’s second newspaper – had a front page that read: “[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/media/2016/oct/12/daily-mail-bremoaners-brexit-mps-cbi-bbc-paul-dacre]Damn the unpatriotic Bremoaners and their plot to subvert the will of the British people.[/url]” The Daily Express opted for “Time to silence EU exit whingers.” As [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/politics/eu-referendum]Brexit[/url] encounters trouble – as it will – this will deteriorate, and rapidly so. Critics of the government’s Brexit agenda will be transformed into traitors and wreckers responsible for sabotaging Britain’s grand national revolution.

[url=x-gu://item/mobile.guardianapis.com/items/us-news/2016/dec/20/donald-trump-apprentice-outtakes-tape-tom-arnold?ArticleReferrer=RichLink]Donald Trump on tape saying 'every racist thing ever', claims actor Tom Arnold[/url]

Online, you can see how hysteria and hatred are being stirred up. During the referendum campaign a far-right activist photoshopped a picture of me holding a whiteboard explaining my reasons for voting remain: it was changed to claim it was because “Britain’s loss of independence is justice for colonialism”. It was shared on various far-right websites, including Britain First. Using their own names, people responded by suggesting we “should start just shooting these freaks”, that I was “a traitor and [need] to be erased”, that I needed a “smack in the face with a baseball bat”, and so on.
From politicians to journalists, many of those deemed to be dissenting from the tide of rightwing populism have experienced the same. Next month Donald Trump will enter the White House, becoming the chief patron of the rightwing populists, and there will be many elections in which such movements are expected to succeed, such as in France and the Netherlands.
The atmosphere is intolerant now; the risk is it may become suffocating. And as it does, as more hysteria and hatred is stirred up, violent extremists – such as Jo Cox’s killer – will become ever more emboldened. For some reason we forget that it was only five years ago that the far-right terrorist [url=x-gu://list/mobile.guardianapis.com/lists/tag/world/anders-behring-breivik]Anders Breivik[/url]marched on to a Norwegian island and murdered dozens of young socialists. Why? Because he considered them to be traitors to their country, responsible for the “Islamisation” of Norway and Europe.
We face a great danger, and not even those who will suffer because of it have realised just how grave it is. Intolerance and hatred have been legitimised across the western world. Dissent is becoming treason. That is bad enough. But there are other violent extremists who are being both radicalised and legitimised across the west. If we don’t take a stand now, new dark chapters are soon to arrive.



Nigel Farage’s attack on Jo Cox’s widower is a new low. Enough

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by eddie on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:13 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:You'd think that Hope not Hate would have better things to spend donations on really ...

Farage is a valid target.

???!!!
What the fuk are you saying...!!!???

Actually Ziz, you need to take a look at how you worded that.

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:23 pm

eddie wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

???!!!
What the fuk are you saying...!!!???

Actually Ziz, you need to take a look at how you worded that.

Not a problem - a valid target for legal action.

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Post by eddie on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:33 pm

Thank you.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Guest on Thu Dec 22, 2016 4:54 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ziz wrote:Perfectly reasonable when Farage says stuff like this:

“Well, of course, he would know more about extremists than me, Mr Cox, he backs organisations like Hope Not Hate, who masquerade as being lovely and peaceful but actually pursue violent and very undemocratic means.”

They must protect their reputation - Farage can have his day in court to substantiate his assertion.


There is no 'day in court' to be had for anything said by Farage here...


WTF are you wittering on about...!?



His day in court will come if he chooses to contest the proposed legal action by Hope Not Hate.

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Post by nicko on Thu Dec 22, 2016 10:33 pm

Should be "Hate not Hope" I'V watched the wankers starting trouble and throwing missiles at the police.
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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 23, 2016 4:38 am

nicko wrote:Should be "Hate not Hope"     I'V watched the wankers starting trouble and throwing missiles at the police.

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Re: A powerful arguement by Owen Jones

Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:04 am

Ziz wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:


There is no 'day in court' to be had for anything said by Farage here...


WTF are you wittering on about...!?



His day in court will come if he chooses to contest the proposed legal action by Hope Not Hate.

My law is now very rusty, to say the least, but I believe I am right in saying that any action for defamation against Farage would have to be taken by an individual official or member of HNH who would be required to show that Farage's words directly impinged on his or her personal reputation.

I'm not sure whether the civil law requirement for a complainant to show that he/she had been "...held open to hatred, ridicule and contempt in the mind of a right-thinking person..." still exists; the current Defamation Act is quite recent and replaced much of the old laws of libel and slander that I studied more than half a century ago.
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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:09 am

Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Ziz wrote:

His day in court will come if he chooses to contest the proposed legal action by Hope Not Hate.

My law is now very rusty, to say the least, but I believe I am right in saying that any action for defamation against Farage would have to be taken by an individual official or member of HNH who would be required to show that Farage's words directly impinged on his or her personal reputation.

I'm not sure whether the civil law requirement for a complainant to show that he/she had been "...held open to hatred, ridicule and contempt in the mind of a right-thinking person..." still exists; the current Defamation Act is quite recent and replaced much of the old laws of libel and slander that I studied more than half a century ago.

Thanks for the clarification - I wonder what HNH intend then?

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Post by Fred Moletrousers on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:31 am

Ziz wrote:
Fred Moletrousers wrote:

My law is now very rusty, to say the least, but I believe I am right in saying that any action for defamation against Farage would have to be taken by an individual official or member of HNH who would be required to show that Farage's words directly impinged on his or her personal reputation.

I'm not sure whether the civil law requirement for a complainant to show that he/she had been "...held open to hatred, ridicule and contempt in the mind of a right-thinking person..." still exists; the current Defamation Act is quite recent and replaced much of the old laws of libel and slander that I studied more than half a century ago.

Thanks for the clarification - I wonder what HNH intend then?

I really don't know, unless a named HNH personality is able to prove damage to his or her personal reputation.

I would think that a skilled counsel acting for Farage would not experience too much difficulty in collating evidence in the form of news videos, mobile phone footage, social media traffic, etc. to show that HNH as a group of activists rather than simply as a legally constituted organisation had not been entirely without blame in recent violent confrontations.

Indeed, the presence of a group of activists engaged in violence orchestrated in the name of HNH, and particularly if led by a recognisable leader, might well be interpreted as conspiracy to commit violence, which would, of course, present the theoretical possibility of any case proceeding under criminal rather than civil law.

Interesting.

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Fred Moletrousers wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Thanks for the clarification - I wonder what HNH intend then?

I really don't know,  unless a named HNH personality is able to prove damage to his or her personal reputation.

I would think that a skilled counsel acting for Farage would not experience too much difficulty in collating evidence in the form of news videos, mobile phone footage, social media traffic, etc. to show that HNH as a group of activists rather than simply as a legally constituted organisation had not been entirely without blame in recent violent confrontations.

Indeed, the presence of a group of activists engaged in violence orchestrated in the name of HNH, and particularly if led by a recognisable leader, might well be interpreted as conspiracy to commit violence, which would, of course, present the theoretical possibility of any case proceeding under criminal rather than civil law.

Interesting.


Yes, very interesting - I sincerely hope that HNH raise the money to take on Farage in whatever manner their legal team advises. It is time to fight back against the far-right.

"This week, on LBC radio, former UKIP leader Nigel Farage launched an outrageous attack on us, on Brendan Cox, husband of murdered MP Jo Cox, and by association on everyone who believes in HOPE not hate. Our lawyer has just sent Farage a letter demanding he retracts and publicly apologises or we will begin legal proceedings against him. Help us take Nigel Farage to court. Please donate."

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Post by eddie on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:55 am

He should have the decency to apologise.

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 23, 2016 5:56 am

eddie wrote:He should have the decency to apologise.

If he had decency he wouldn't have leeched off the EU and then sought to do similar from Trump.

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