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Post by *THE Ben Reilly* on Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:46 pm

HARTFORD, NEW HAMPSHIRE - Racist attitudes may be positively correlated with greater intellect, and people with racist beliefs show higher levels of critical thinking according to two controversial studies to be published in the January edition of the New England Journal of Psychology.

A team of researchers from Dartmouth College's Ivan Stang School of Psychology led by Dr. J.R. Dobbs worked with over 2,000 participants in a three-year study to gauge racist attitudes and test intelligence.

"We found that people with beliefs typically considered racist actually performed better on the [intelligence] tests, on average," Dobbs said. "Racist men are generally more intelligent than what we typically call 'tolerant' men by four to six IQ points. The difference is less pronounced among women, but still significant."

In addition to administering standard intelligence tests, participants were put through a battery of critical-thinking assessments, including tests that ascertain a person's ability to evaluate the reliability of sources of information. Again, racists performed significantly better than the general public, the Dartmouth team found.

In parallel research conducted by New Jersey's Astley Institute of Medicine, numerous studies suggesting racists are less intelligent than the general public were upended.

The study, spearheaded by Dr. Karl Koch, examined previous studies of racism and intelligence and found "grievous methodological flaws," the paper states.

"In most cases, we found what must simply be deemed agenda-driven science," Koch said Wednesday. "Questions were not drawn up objectively. They were intentionally skewed to punish experiment participants who held racist attitudes or who did not support multiculturalism."

http://www.latlmes.com/world/studies-show-racists-more-intelligent-1

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 15, 2016 9:57 pm

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:31 pm

So what you are saying is...that one of quills favoured sayings is actually 180 degrees out of sync

and that in fact its "stupid people are generally "lefty's"

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Dec 15, 2016 10:48 pm

and YES...I did "click"

on the interesting "link"

but in the spirit of your election and what took trump to power and all that...... Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz Razz

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Post by Guest on Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:13 pm

  Now That's some data collection sheets I'd very much enjoy getting a look at This group of yuppie college kids went south - into 'redneck nation', and handed out questionnaires to random groups of 'willing racists' to participate in this survey to prove the intelligence ratio of their 'ILK'  Suspect
A team of researchers from Dartmouth College's Ivan Stang School of Psychology led by Dr. J.R. Dobbs worked with over 2,000 participants in a three-year study to gauge racist attitudes and test intelligence.

Was the 'SURVEY' done pre-bonfire party or post-bonfire party ...who supplied the KEGS - how many bongs were allowed and was it a BYOB (bring you own bottle) ...so many questions so few answers  No

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Post by Lord Foul on Thu Dec 15, 2016 11:15 pm



splutter...

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:27 am

scratch

My general observations over the years --  unsupported as they are by any financial backing by either hatemongering groups or Teabaggers --  do not support those whacky conclusions from the O/P...

The most racist and xenophobic people I have encountered have usually also been among the most ignorant, clueless and illogical thinkers. Racist nongs with high intelligence also seem to be quite irrational thinkers at the same time.

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 16, 2016 12:42 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote: scratch

My general observations over the years --  unsupported as they are by any financial backing by either hatemongering groups or Teabaggers --  do not support those whacky conclusions from the O/P...

The most racist and xenophobic people I have encountered have usually also been among the most ignorant, clueless and illogical thinkers. Racist nongs with high intelligence also seem to be quite irrational thinkers at the same time.
Amusing and quite telling isn't it    how quickly the immature thinker latched onto the idea that the 'STUDY' was the end all - be all to something he needed to justify one of his lame opinions! 
He's even encapsulated a segment into his signature! 
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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:53 am

nope it amazing how stuuuupid you are

and that goes for you too wolfie Ya big dummy:P


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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 16, 2016 1:54 am

priceless...

I shall probably chuckle to myself in my sleep

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Fri Dec 16, 2016 8:44 am

Lord Foul wrote:
priceless...

I shall probably chuckle to myself in my sleep

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You know what they say about people who have to resort to laughing at their own pathetic attempts at humour, don't you Victor ???

It's usually because noone else will laugh at your 'jokes'..



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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 16, 2016 9:33 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:priceless...
I shall probably chuckle to myself in my sleep
Rolling Eyes

You know what they say about people who have to resort to laughing at their own pathetic attempts at humour, don't you  Victor  ???

It's usually because noone else will laugh at your 'jokes'..
He's just suffering from his huge ASS BURN    (self inflicked) for falling for one of Stormee's little yarn's and not being mentally astute enough too question the source. 
So once again the ego of Lord Thread Lock has become focused upon a segment but unable to think beyond the surface ...lacking depth of thought leaves him with only his need for condescending abusive humor!  

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:27 am

have YOU clicked on the proffered link????

because it sure as hell dont sound like it.........

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:29 am

I DID....

hence

"but in the spirit of your election and what took trump to power and all that....."

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 16, 2016 2:24 pm

Lord Foul wrote:have YOU clicked on the proffered link????

because it sure as hell dont sound like it.........
affraid     You get 'PLAYED' like a cheap assed AIR GUITAR daily!   
Did you think that that MUSIC VIDEO CLIP wasn't/hadn't been rolling around many FB pages forever confused   
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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Dec 16, 2016 5:40 pm

Of course dear..... Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Fri Dec 16, 2016 11:59 pm

LF, as you have now used this as your signature, you really need to know who Ivan Stang is.



Ivan Stang
Not to be confused with Ivan Strang.

Ivan Stang (2007)
Rev. Ivan Stang,[1] born Douglass St. Clair Smith (August 21, 1953) is an American writer, filmmaker and broadcaster, best known as the author and publisher of the first screed of the Church of the SubGenius. He is credited with founding the Church with friend Philo Drummond in 1979, though Stang himself denies this and claims the organization was founded in 1953 by J. R. "Bob" Dobbs.
Born in Washington, D.C. and raised in Fort Worth, Texas, he attended the St. Mark's School of Texas. Since the publication of the first SubGenius pamphlet in 1980, Stang has embarked on a worldwide crusade (spanning at least three continents) to promote the Church. In May 2006 he finished writing, editing and designing a new SubGenius book for Thunder's Mouth Press, The SubGenius Psychlopaedia of Slack: The Bobliographon. He has appeared on several national radio and television shows, including The Jon Stewart Show on MTV. Stang is an instructor on the faculty of the Maybe Logic Academy.[2] Both he and J.R. "Bob" Dobbs appear as characters in John Shirley's science fiction novel Kamus of Kadizar: The Black Hole of Carcosa.

SubGenius Foundation

Stang also founded the business entity of the Church, the SubGenius Foundation. The SubGenius Foundation was located in Dallas, Texas, for most of its life, though in 1999 Stang himself relocated to Cleveland Heights, Ohio. The SubGenius Foundation is now based there, and the syndicated show The Hour of Slack is produced partially at WCSB at Cleveland State University. His "Rants" are a regular feature at the Starwood Festival,[3] and WinterStar Symposium[4] both produced by the Association for Consciousness Exploration (ACE). The Church has collaborated with ACE on a number of projects, including CDs, DVDs and the Rant 'n Rave events in Cleveland, Ohio. He was awarded Best Crack-Pot Preacher by the Cleveland Scene in 2000.[5] Stang himself continues to promote the Church, and he is a prominent member of Cleveland's underground pop culture scene.

High Weirdness By Mail

In 1988, Stang compiled a book called High Weirdness By Mail – A Directory of the Fringe: Crackpots, Kooks & True Visionaries. The book examined many non-mainstream or marginal cultural movements of the period, as well as providing contact information for those wishing to interact directly with people involved in these movements.

Filmmaking

Stang is a filmmaker and editor. In addition to creating several stop-motion short films with such titles as Reproduction Cycle Among Unicellular Life Forms Under the Rocks of Mars and Let's Visit the World of the Future, he also edited the 1989 feature-length VHS video spoof-documentary Arise! for the Church of the SubGenius, as well as providing narration and commentary for the 1999 documentary Grass. Commercial jobs have included a 60-second "Art Break" animated short for MTV, animation in a Devo music video, as well as writing and editing the feature-length documentaries China Run and The Cu-Chi Tunnels.

Bibliography


  • 1983 – The Book of the SubGenius (McGraw-Hill) ISBN 0-07-062229-9 / Reprinted 1987 (Simon & Schuster/Fireside) ISBN 0-671-63810-6
  • 1988 – High Weirdness by Mail (Simon & Schuster/Fireside) ISBN 0-671-64260-X
  • 1990 – Three-Fisted Tales of "Bob" (Simon & Schuster/Fireside) ISBN 0-671-67190-1
  • 1994 – Revelation X: The "Bob" Apocryphon – Hidden Teachings and Deuterocanonical Texts of J. R. "Bob" Dobbs (Simon & Schuster/Fireside), with illustrations by St. Joe Riley et al., ISBN 0-671-77006-3
  • 2006 – The SubGenius Psychlopaedia of Slack: The Bobliographon (Avalon/Thunder's Mouth Press), with illustrations by St. Joe Riley et al., ISBN 1-56025-939-6

Discography

Partial discography includes:

  • Starwood Slack! (recorded rant on cassette) (ACE)
  • Invisible College Drop-Outs (recorded rant on cassette) (ACE)
  • The Stupid Rant (recorded rant on cassette) (ACE)
  • High Weirdness By Mail (recorded rant on cassette) (ACE)
  • Rev. Stang Live at Starwood (recorded rant on CD + music) ISBN 1-59157-005-0 (ACE)
  • I Was A Cultist For The A.T.F. (radio drama starring Stang)
  • The Once and Future Legend (panel discussion on cassette with Ariana Lightningstorm, Patricia Monaghan, Jeff Rosenbaum, Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson) (ACE)
  • What IS the Conspiracy, Anyway? (panel discussion on cassette with Anodea Judith, Jeff Rosenbaum, Robert Shea and Robert Anton Wilson) (ACE)

Filmography

Partial filmography includes:

  • 1969 – The Wad and the Worm (Director, writer, animator)
  • 1973 – Let's Visit the World of the Future (Director, writer, & actor)
  • 1978 – Reproduction Cycle Among Unicellular Life Forms Under the Rocks of Mars (Director, writer, & narrator)
  • 1979 – Mono (Director & writer)
  • 1987 – China Run (Video editor)
  • 1989 – Arise!: The SubGenius Video (Island Records) (Director, writer, & appears as self)
  • 1990 – The Cu Chi Tunnels (Video & script editor)
  • 1992 – Arise!: The SubGenius Video (Polygram Records) ASIN 6302311616 (Director, writer, & appears as self)
  • 1992 – Church of the Subgenius: Sect? Satire? Or Satanism? (Appears as self)
  • 1999 – Grass (Narrator & does commentary)
  • 2000 – Duelin' Firemen! (Actor)
  • 2003 – Maybe Logic: The Lives and Ideas of Robert Anton Wilson (Appears as self)
  • 2008 – God's Cartoonist: The Comic Crusade of Jack Chick (Appears as self)[6]

See also


  • Notable alumni of St. Mark's School of Texas

References

[list=references]
[*]^ Stang, I.; Jacobsen, S.D. (1 October 2014). "Reverend Ivan Stang: Co-Founder & Author, Church of the SubGenius". In-Sight (6.A).
[*]^ Maybe Logic Academy{}
[*]^ Witchvox article on Starwood
[*]^ WinterStar 2001 Slackathon: Exhausting!!, article by Rev. Ivan Stang
[*]^ "Best Crack-Pot Preacher of 2000", Cleveland Scene Archived September 26, 2007, at the Wayback Machine.
[*]^ IMDb.com entry on Douglass Smith
[/list]

  • Beale, Scott "SubGenius Reunion on Puzzling Evidence" (November 27, 2005)
  • Gilboa, Netta "Getting Gray With Reverend Ivan Stang", interview with Rev. Stang
  • Gill, Michael (2005). "Circle of Ash" Cleveland Free Times (July 7, 2005) Feature article includes Ivan Stang discussing Starwood
  • Hermes, Will "Slack Is Back" City Pages (January 31, 1996)
  • Krassner, Paul (2005). "Life Among the Neopagans" in The Nation, August 24, 2005 (web only).
  • Niesel, Jeff "Slack Is Back: Quit Your Job! Make Waste! The Church of the SubGenius Has Come to Town!" Cleveland Scene (April 6, 2000)

External links


  • The Church of the SubGenius
  • The Return of High Weirdness By Mail
  • Dogma Free America podcast interview with Ivan Stang
  • Douglass Smith at the Internet Movie Database


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Post by Irn Bru on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:01 am

Oh holy Jesus. Along with Dr Dobbs we have a right couple of crackpots in there.

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Post by Irn Bru on Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:08 am

I looked them up.

Church of SubGenius

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_the_SubGenius

At least Rick Astley may get some royalities from the link in the OP.

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Just before I go let me introduce you to Ivan Stang...




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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 17, 2016 2:39 am

Lord Foul wrote:So what you are saying is...that one of quills favoured sayings is actually 180 degrees out of sync

and that in fact its "stupid people are generally "lefty's"

Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing Laughing

You called, m'lord? Rolling Eyes

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I'll be retiring soon, m'lord. Will you be needing anything else this evening?


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Just in case you missed this LF, you might need to change your signature lol

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:25 pm

nope ...I think...YOU missed MY point

Laughing

hence

"but in the spirit of your election and what took trump to power and all that....."

a hint just for the plain dumb

(fake news)


you seriously dont think ...for ONE moment , that after seeing that link I thought it was REAL news...did you?

surely even YOU and your cohorts can be so intellectually impaired as to have missed the implication in the post I mad and repeated above for you???? can you???

jesus...so much for the intelligence of the lefty......


why do you think 4ever and wolfies posts afforded me so much amusement???

sigh........


dont try clever humour on leftys
a) they dont have a sense(of humour(
b) they aint got any sense


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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:32 pm

sassy wrote:Just in case you missed this LF, you might need to change your signature lol

   And admit that he got played   
Never happen, now he'll just leave it and fake a superior bluff that will just fall flat due to being had by so many of us! 
Hell, that all rolled out better than any of Ben's pretend April Fools - Spoof's ...and it wasn't planned by any of us!   

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Post by Lord Foul on Sat Dec 17, 2016 7:42 pm

says you ......

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:35 am

Lord Foul wrote:nope ...I think...YOU missed MY point

Laughing

hence

"but in the spirit of your election and what took trump to power and all that....."

a hint just for the plain dumb

(fake news)

you seriously dont think ...for ONE moment , that after seeing that link I thought it was REAL news...did you?

surely even YOU and your cohorts can be so intellectually impaired as to have missed the implication in the post I mad and repeated above for you???? can you???

jesus...so much for the intelligence of the lefty......

why do you think 4ever and wolfies posts afforded me so much amusement???

sigh........

dont try clever humour on leftys
a) they dont have a sense(of humour(
b) they aint got any sense

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