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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:11 pm

Young children at schools up and down the country are to be told to stop using the terms ‘boys’ and ‘girls’.

Guidance being sent out for use by teachers, parents and pupils as young as seven advises against the language because of fears it discriminates against transgender people, the Mail on Sunday reported.

The book instead encourages the use of terms such as cisgender, for children who identify with the gender in which they were born.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/schools-told-to-stop-calling-pupils-boys-and-girls-in-gender-diversity-drive-a3417491.html


The lefties who thought this up and agreed to send this out to schools should be shot!

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by nicko on Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:38 pm

I tHOUGHT this was a joke, please tell me it is.
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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 12:50 pm

'Educate and celebrate' founder Elly Barnes has said the book is 'much needed'.  Rolling Eyes

If a young child is plagued with sexual confusion (and with her making decisions I imagine plenty will be) she would prefer children as young as seven to use the term 'genderqueer' rather than refer to them  boy or girl.

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Post by nicko on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:19 pm

Oh dear----shakes head !
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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:20 pm

It is not official guidance and teachers can simply disregard it if they so choose. A non-story on a slow news day. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:25 pm

Well the book is initially being sent out to 120 "best practice" schools as a guide to teachers, parents and pupils......so no doubt some tree hugger pc parents and teachers will follow it's guidelines.....and anything that confuses already confused kids and is passed as fit for purpose by 120 schools is hardly a non story....specially if your kid is unlucky enough to be one of the pupils where it happens.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:26 pm

Syl wrote:Well the book is initially being sent out to 120 "best practice" schools as a guide to teachers, parents and pupils......so no doubt some tree hugger pc parents and teachers will follow it's guidelines.....and anything that confuses already confused kids and is passed as fit for purpose by 120 schools is hardly a non story....specially if your kid is unlucky enough to be one of the pupils where it happens.

But not by the DES - it is not official guidance and teachers are under no obligation to follow it.

But in any event, if I had a trans-gendered child I might welcome the fact that my child's teacher know something about the subject.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 1:34 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:Well the book is initially being sent out to 120 "best practice" schools as a guide to teachers, parents and pupils......so no doubt some tree hugger pc parents and teachers will follow it's guidelines.....and anything that confuses already confused kids and is passed as fit for purpose by 120 schools is hardly a non story....specially if your kid is unlucky enough to be one of the pupils where it happens.

But not by the DES - it is not official guidance and teachers are under no obligation to follow it.

Ely Barnes, who is pushing this book is founder and chief of the charity "Educate and Celebrate" the organisation that transforms schools into LGBT friendly places....so you think her influence in pushing this book is minimal?

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Post by magica on Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:14 pm

Why cant they just leave well alone. Always dreaming some bloody topic that really is so stupid. How would kids know about transgender at 5?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:21 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

But not by the DES - it is not official guidance and teachers are under no obligation to follow it.

Ely Barnes, who is pushing this book is founder and chief of the charity "Educate and Celebrate" the organisation that transforms schools into LGBT friendly places....so you think her influence in pushing this book is  minimal?


But this is a govt/taxpayer funded "charity"...


I think they should be prosecuted for sending such perverted claptrap to schools!



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Post by Eilzel on Mon Dec 12, 2016 2:51 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Young children at schools up and down the country are to be told to stop using the terms ‘boys’ and ‘girls’.

Guidance being sent out for use by teachers, parents and pupils as young as seven advises against the language because of fears it discriminates against transgender people, the Mail on Sunday reported.

The book instead encourages the use of terms such as cisgender, for children who identify with the gender in which they were born.

http://www.standard.co.uk/news/education/schools-told-to-stop-calling-pupils-boys-and-girls-in-gender-diversity-drive-a3417491.html


The lefties who thought this up and agreed to send this out to schools should be shot!

I think this is a silly idea, that said, saying they should be shot is just stupid.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:22 pm

Don't know why Tommy had to put quotes around progressive in the title -- this idea is practically the definition of progressive.

It's progressive to take a societal problem, apply brain power to it and create and implement a solution. The conservative approach is to blame the people affected by the problem and justify the system which created the problem.

Now, I don't think removing the labels "boy" and "girl" is going to work in the least -- but I'll take that mentality over someone who declares we're living in the "best of all possible worlds" and gives up on the idea of improvement.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:03 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

But not by the DES - it is not official guidance and teachers are under no obligation to follow it.

Ely Barnes, who is pushing this book is founder and chief of the charity "Educate and Celebrate" the organisation that transforms schools into LGBT friendly places....so you think her influence in pushing this book is  minimal?

Yes.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:04 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Syl wrote:

Ely Barnes, who is pushing this book is founder and chief of the charity "Educate and Celebrate" the organisation that transforms schools into LGBT friendly places....so you think her influence in pushing this book is  minimal?


But this is a govt/taxpayer funded "charity"...


I think they should be prosecuted for sending such perverted claptrap to schools!



LGBT people are no more perverts than non-LGBT people - the real perverts are people who promote hatred like yourself.

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Post by eddie on Mon Dec 12, 2016 4:12 pm

Tommy, I think it's a silly idea myself, but why use words like "perverted"?

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:29 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Ely Barnes, who is pushing this book is founder and chief of the charity "Educate and Celebrate" the organisation that transforms schools into LGBT friendly places....so you think her influence in pushing this book is  minimal?

Yes.
I don't agree, but if that will be the case what a huge waste of tax payers money that's badly needed elsewhere to fund worthwhile educational projects.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:32 pm

magica wrote:Why cant they just leave well alone.  Always dreaming some bloody topic that really is so stupid.  How would kids know about transgender at 5?

They wont, maybe some know they are somehow different to the 'norm' but encouraging others to label a little girl or boy who is already confused as 'genderqueer' is beyond stupid imo.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:40 pm

One of Elly Barnes...'Proud to be' videos.


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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:56 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Yes.
I don't agree, but if that will be the case what a huge waste of tax payers money that's badly needed elsewhere to fund worthwhile educational projects.

I don't have a problem accommodating the needs of LGBT children.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 5:58 pm

Ziz wrote:
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I don't agree, but if that will be the case what a huge waste of tax payers money that's badly needed elsewhere to fund worthwhile educational projects.

I don't have a problem accommodating the needs of LGBT children.

Neither do I...encouraging other children to label them so early in life is not imo helping them though.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:00 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I don't have a problem accommodating the needs of LGBT children.

Neither do I...encouraging other children to label them so early in life is not imo helping them though.

I don't have expertise on LGBT children so I don't know if it's helpful or not - I defer to those who do.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:14 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Neither do I...encouraging other children to label them so early in life is not imo helping them though.

I don't have expertise on LGBT children so I don't know if it's helpful or not - I defer to those who do.


Well this woman herself has no children and she openly admits she sailed through early life and accepted her sexuality without problems'
I wonder if she had been labelled genderqueer from an early age instead of just the normal girl she was, that would have made her life any better.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:15 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I don't have expertise on LGBT children so I don't know if it's helpful or not - I defer to those who do.


Well this woman herself has no children and she openly admits she sailed through early life and accepted her sexuality without problems'
I wonder if she had been labelled genderqueer from an early age instead of just the normal girl she was, that would have made her life any better.

She's LGBT - so she knows more than I do about it.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:20 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:


Well this woman herself has no children and she openly admits she sailed through early life and accepted her sexuality without problems'
I wonder if she had been labelled genderqueer from an early age instead of just the normal girl she was, that would have made her life any better.

She's LGBT - so she knows more than I do about it.

Well she knows how she felt, which was fine, not sure what her thinking is in trying to discourage the description of BOY and GIRL...she is probably imagining problems where none exist.
Are LGBT children so different they need to have further labels stuck on them....No they don't.



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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:26 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

She's LGBT - so she knows more than I do about it.

Well she knows how she felt, which was fine, not sure what her thinking is in trying to discourage the description of BOY and GIRL...she is probably imagining problems where none exist.
Are LGBT children so different they need to have further labels stuck on them....No they don't.


Her group is providing non-mandatory guidance to teachers - I've no idea what problems exist or the usefulness of the advice provided - teachers are free to make their own minds up on the matter.

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:36 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Well she knows how she felt, which was fine, not sure what her thinking is in trying to discourage the description of BOY and GIRL...she is probably imagining problems where none exist.
Are LGBT children so different they need to have further labels stuck on them....No they don't.


Her group is providing non-mandatory guidance to teachers - I've no idea what problems exist or the usefulness of the advice provided  - teachers are free to make their own minds up on the matter.

Well lets hope they have more sense than she does then.

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:43 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Her group is providing non-mandatory guidance to teachers - I've no idea what problems exist or the usefulness of the advice provided  - teachers are free to make their own minds up on the matter.

Well lets hope they have more sense than she does then.

Let she without sin... Smile

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Post by Syl on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:44 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Well lets hope they have more sense than she does then.

Let she without sin... Smile

I'm giving an opinion...not casting stones. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Guest on Mon Dec 12, 2016 6:46 pm

Syl wrote:
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Let she without sin... Smile

I'm giving an opinion...not casting stones. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:14 pm

eddie wrote:Tommy, I think it's a silly idea myself, but why use words like "perverted"?

Look up the definition... I am being grammatically correct with the use of the word.


It's this type of leftie nonsense in op that is the problem.

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:21 pm

You aren't being correct in any way at all. And you are deliberately being as nasty about this as possible saying people should be shot and using words like perverted. Making you a deeply unpleasant person to share a forum with.

Cvnt. def: an unpleasant or stupid person.

For clarification, you are objectively the former and often the latter.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:51 pm

Eilzel wrote:You aren't being correct in any way at all. And you are deliberately being as nasty about this as possible saying people should be shot and using words like perverted. Making you a deeply unpleasant person to share a forum with.

Cvnt. def: an unpleasant or stupid person.

For clarification, you are objectively the former and often the latter.


Think you need to get your dictionary out...


And wind your neck in...

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Post by Eilzel on Mon Dec 12, 2016 11:56 pm

Perveted refers to sexually abnormal practices (a subjective subject in itself). No such thing is being discussed.

Saying people who have nothing but good intention should be shot, is objectively unpleasant.

Therefore you are a cvnt according to one of the dictionary definitions.

And I've no intention of winding anything in, not where cvnts are concerned. And as seen, that is what you are.

I didn't begin the nastiness, you did, referring to shooting and perverts unnecessarily.

BTW If you didn't know using those words was unpleasant, then you are pretty stupid; in which case refer back to the latter definition of a cvnt Smile

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:22 am

Eilzel wrote:Perveted refers to sexually abnormal practices (a subjective subject in itself). No such thing is being discussed.

Saying people who have nothing but good intention should be shot, is objectively unpleasant.

Therefore you are a cvnt according to one of the dictionary definitions.

And I've no intention of winding anything in, not where cvnts are concerned. And as seen, that is what you are.

I didn't begin the nastiness, you did, referring to shooting and perverts unnecessarily.

BTW If you didn't know using those words was unpleasant, then you are pretty stupid; in which case refer back to the latter definition of a cvnt Smile


Try spelling it correctly and then looking at the other meaning that is being discussed...


If you really can't see what's wrong in op... then there is something wrong with you too!

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Dec 13, 2016 12:29 am

Typo, don't be cheap.

I already said I thought it is silly in my first post. Are you a blind cvnt?

Still doesn't warrant being shot, or using terms like perverted because it's a trans issue- you knew full well you were being unpleasant when you used those words, deliberately so.

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Dec 13, 2016 3:26 am

Suspect

ALSO,  where is Tommy's evidence that the people distributing the book are "lefties", either ???

Where is there any indication or mention of anyone's political leanings..

Just more bigotted empty noise from Tommy and the twat brigade, passing off silly opinions as fact, simply because they think it.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:21 pm



Perverted

- (of a thing) having been corrupted or distorted from its original course, meaning, or state.

- turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.

- Deviating from what is considered right and correct: a perverted idea of justice.



Only a twisted leftie could come up with such drivel as in op... and only a twisted leftie could support if too.

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Post by Eilzel on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:30 pm

And that's the only reason you chose to use the word perverted over 'distorted' is it tommy? BS.

And saying they should be shot is still unpleasant, ergo, a cvnt you are.

And is anyone here actually supporting it. Are you also a repetitive cvnt? Pmsl

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 1:39 pm

Syl wrote:One of Elly Barnes...'Proud to be' videos.



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"...Today eight organisations will be told they are to get a share of £2 million to help prevent and eradicate homophobic, biphobic and transphobic (HBT) bullying. The funding was announced by Jo Swinson, Minister for Women and Equalities, and Secretary of State for Education, Nicky Morgan..."

Educate & Celebrate – £214,048


https://www.gov.uk/government/news/awards-announced-from-2-million-homophobic-bullying-fund




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Post by eddie on Tue Dec 13, 2016 2:34 pm

Fuck off tommy. You are just so way out of touch with what it means to have feelings and empathy in the world around you.

You have no idea what constitutes normal. You're only basing your opinions on what you consider normal and not everyone thinks like you. Thank God for that.

Your language is shite too. "Perverted"?
Who the fucking hell are you to claim that?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:34 pm

eddie wrote:Fuck off tommy. You are just so way out of touch with what it means to have feelings and empathy in the world around you.

You have no idea what constitutes normal. You're only basing your opinions on what you consider normal and not everyone thinks like you. Thank God for that.

Your language is shite too. "Perverted"?
Who the fucking hell are you to claim that?



Perverted

- (of a thing) having been corrupted or distorted from its original course, meaning, or state.

- turned from what is right; wicked; misguided; distorted.

- Deviating from what is considered right and correct: a perverted idea of justice.


The suggestions made in this op guidance booklet are perverted.

Perverting the normal an natural way of things where young children are known simply as boys and girls.

There is nothing wrong with children simply being boys and girls or being referred to as boys and girls.

I'm sure that the vast majority of people will agree with me on this, and only a very very miniscule number of people would be barmy enough to think that the terms 'boys & girls' are wrong or a bad thing, and that it is better to instead start making schools/teachers/children start using made up bullshit words like 'cisgender' or 'transqueer' or the like, as is suggested in this op guidance booklet.


Why is taxpayer cash being used to fund such stupidity and why is such stupidity being allowed to interfere with/influence schools and teachers behaviour/methods?


And eddie, why are you allowing les to repeatedly call me a CVNT in his last few posts?

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by eddie on Tue Dec 13, 2016 4:39 pm

Does the word c unt bother you?

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by Lord Foul on Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:07 pm

truth is an absolute defence Razz

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:14 pm

eddie wrote:Does the word c unt bother you?

Only that I thought such abuse was against the rules here...?

And I thought I'd ask you as you were criticising my use of a word that isn't banned here, and which I was using in a grammatically correct context...


But only a minor side issue... what about the rest of my post?

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by eddie on Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:30 pm

I already said the idea was silly, as did Les. Then you went on to call gay people perverted and I stopped listening to you because you're a twat when it comes to gay topics.

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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Dec 13, 2016 5:37 pm

eddie wrote:I already said the idea was silly, as did Les. Then you went on to call gay people perverted and I stopped listening to you because you're a twat when it comes to gay topics.


Where did I do that on this thread?


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Re: How very "progressive"...

Post by Eilzel on Tue Dec 13, 2016 11:16 pm

My use of the c word was grammatically correct though!

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