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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:54 am

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Well, very often that's true, eds.  Look...I don't object to that, because my M.O. is to meet them on the battlefield.  But, speech is made for a variety of reasons.  Tommy has just started a thread on how the Ohio State U. stabber was "influenced" by ISIS.  Influenced??  What does that mean?  How is that news, fcs?  It's just a way of saying that Muslims are the new "niggahs" around, and we need to include them in the code of discrimination.

Scrat is making some damn insightful points here.  And by the way, I appreciate his higher education...he acts like it and presents some quality food for thought.

I also post up stories that I don't agree with, so I can debate them? scratch

As I said...I don't mind it. But that's because I take posts like that head-on, in the battlefield.

But there is something a bit subversive in those who lay down a streak of diarrhea, and offer it as chocolate. (Pardon the bad image.) If you C&P and article and then go one and comment further on it, you're doing what is expected. But if your posts constantly have a subcurrent of racism about them, and you don't bring that to the fore right away--primarily because you are trying to duck the well-deserved criticism--you will admit you are being a bit subversive.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by eddie on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:13 am

Right I know what you're saying but scrat is accusing me of being RW because I posted up a story about "a scrounges in benefits" or something simliar headline.

But then, he's easily excitable and not always able to understand the nuances of life.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:24 am

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nicko wrote:I don't "cheer" anyone on,   And Major and Tommy are as much entitled to their opinions as you are, and you only come here to slag certain posters off.

Bullshite.  You've got to read posters on different levels.  Wolf is up front...would you rather someone be upfront with you, or subversive?

Major and Tommy are entitled to their opinions, but it does get under your skin how subversively they promote what are ideas of the most primitive sort.

I don't want to get into things when they are not present.
 But just understand me, thus far.  I like someone who leaves no doubt what he is saying.  Wolf does that.


It's ok... I'm here... explain yourself please...!?

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:26 am

eddie wrote:Right I know what you're saying but scrat is accusing me of being RW because I posted up a story about "a scrounges in benefits" or something simliar headline.

But then, he's easily excitable and not always able to understand the nuances of life.

It's called baiting...putting something out on a hook, to see what you bring in.

I don't necessarily agree with everything scrat says. I think you have RW sentiments, but you are not a baiter. However there are some extreme baiters around this place.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:31 am

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Bullshite.  You've got to read posters on different levels.  Wolf is up front...would you rather someone be upfront with you, or subversive?

Major and Tommy are entitled to their opinions, but it does get under your skin how subversively they promote what are ideas of the most primitive sort.

I don't want to get into things when they are not present.
 But just understand me, thus far.  I like someone who leaves no doubt what he is saying.  Wolf does that.


It's ok... I'm here... explain yourself please...!?

We've been discussing the concept at great length.  It's called 'baiting'...posting uniformly racist or homophobic threads, ostensibly for the story, but consistently having racist/homophobic overtones.  

So far no one has had any difficulty following along.  We are well into the conversation. If you have any specific questions, tommy, ask.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:37 am

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eddie wrote:Hmmm according to scrats twisted logic, if you post a story about something - you haven't posted it up for debate, you posted it because you "back it".

Scrat are actually over the age of 10 yet?


...Tommy has just started a thread on how the Ohio State U. stabber was "influenced" by ISIS.  Influenced??  What does that mean?  How is that news, fcs?...



You know very well what it means and also how it is news...!




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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by nicko on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:39 am

You see quill you have a "Band of Brothers" here,  Veya Wolfie,Ben and youself, neither of you will have a word said about each other, possibly because you were a group of yes men who "started"this Fofum.  You should never have opened it up to posters who disagree with your mates views.

PS I have never posted anything that could be taken as Homophobic or Racist, Have I?
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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by sassy on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:40 am

nicko wrote:You see quill you have a "Band of Brothers" here,  Veya Wolfie,Ben and youself, neither of you will have a word said about each other, possibly because you were a group of yes men who "started"this Fofum.  You should never have opened it up to posters who disagree with your mates views.

PS I have never posted anything that could be taken as Homophobic or Racist,    Have I?


Quill and Wolfie joined about the same time I did, they didn't start the forum, where do you get that from.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:44 am

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...Tommy has just started a thread on how the Ohio State U. stabber was "influenced" by ISIS.  Influenced??  What does that mean?  How is that news, fcs?...

You know very well what it means and also how it is news...!

If X is a role model for Y, and Y does something stupid, how is that X's fault? Putting aside whether or how I might dislike or admire ISIS, the Ohio State kid has hand only newspaper stories to lead him.

You are trying to impute something negative to people who don't even know the kid. There are plenty of things you could blame ISIS for, but this is not one of them.

I shouldn't have to say, but I am not defending ISIS in any way. I'm just pointing out your lack of good sense in your reasoning.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by eddie on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:47 am

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eddie wrote:Right I know what you're saying but scrat is accusing me of being RW because I posted up a story about "a scrounges in benefits" or something simliar headline.

But then, he's easily excitable and not always able to understand the nuances of life.

It's called baiting...putting something out on a hook, to see what you bring in.

I don't necessarily agree with everything scrat says.  I think you have RW sentiments, but you are not a baiter.  However there are some extreme baiters around this place.

You have no idea about my "sentiments" because most of the time whenever youve quoted me you haven't even read what I've said properly.
Quite often I read what you say about me and I wonder what Eddie you have been reading for the last three years!


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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:56 am

nicko wrote:You see quill you have a "Band of Brothers" here,  Veya Wolfie,Ben and youself, neither of you will have a word said about each other, possibly because you were a group of yes men who "started"this Fofum.  You should never have opened it up to posters who disagree with your mates views.

PS I have never posted anything that could be taken as Homophobic or Racist,    Have I?

I don't know that you have ever been homophobic or racist. You and I traditionally disagree on military issues, and that is not the same.

There is no band of brothers. If you want to impute some collusion here, start with educated, right-thinking individuals who share some common-sense ideas. That's what veya, Wolf, Ben and I have, along with many others...but you only mention those. Wolf and I came here as former members of Speak Free, and formerly as refugees of Female First. Ben and veya already had the place, and it was well established.

Just because 'right-thinking' persons find each other, is no reason to fault anyone. You act like it's a sin to agree. We just see the sense in what each other is saying.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:56 am

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It's ok... I'm here... explain yourself please...!?

We've been discussing the concept at great length.  It's called 'baiting'...posting uniformly racist or homophobic threads, ostensibly for the story, but consistently having racist/homophobic overtones.  

So far no one has had any difficulty following along.  We are well into the conversation.  If you have any specific questions, tommy, ask.


How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?



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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by nicko on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:58 am

SASS, I joined 7-12-13.
you joined 4-1-15.

I 'm sure they were on then.

Could be with different names.
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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:05 am

eddie wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

It's called baiting...putting something out on a hook, to see what you bring in.

I don't necessarily agree with everything scrat says.  I think you have RW sentiments, but you are not a baiter.  However there are some extreme baiters around this place.

You have no idea about my "sentiments" because most of the time whenever youve quoted me you haven't even read what I've said properly.
Quite often I read what you say about me and I wonder what Eddie you have been reading for the last three years!

This environment is no different from any other. I can tell your sentiments by listening to you over these many months and years. Yes, I do have a good idea about your sentiments.

I read you properly. I just, very often, see the same thing through a different prism. I see what is very good in what you are saying, but I also see the dangers and pitfalls in some of the things you say. That's no misinterpretation, nor is that failing to read. It's very much like the 'uncomfortable truths' that scrat was discussing. I bring out the uncomfortable truth in some of the things, not only you, but others have to say.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:11 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

We've been discussing the concept at great length.  It's called 'baiting'...posting uniformly racist or homophobic threads, ostensibly for the story, but consistently having racist/homophobic overtones.  

So far no one has had any difficulty following along.  We are well into the conversation.  If you have any specific questions, tommy, ask.

How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?

See? You're just playing out the game. When someone calls your bluff, it's palms up and What did I do?

What you did was plant a story on a consistent theme, be it racist or homophobic. It's a sort of double entendre, taking advantage of the ambiguity of the idea of posting.


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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:23 am

Original Quill wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:

How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?

See?  You're just playing out the game.  When someone calls your bluff, it's palms up and What did I do?

What you did was plant a story on a consistent theme, be it racist or homophobic.  It's a sort of double entendre, taking advantage of the ambiguity of the idea of posting.



How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?




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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by eddie on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:35 am

Original Quill wrote:
eddie wrote:
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It's called baiting...putting something out on a hook, to see what you bring in.

I don't necessarily agree with everything scrat says.  I think you have RW sentiments, but you are not a baiter.  However there are some extreme baiters around this place.

You have no idea about my "sentiments" because most of the time whenever youve quoted me you haven't even read what I've said properly.
Quite often I read what you say about me and I wonder what Eddie you have been reading for the last three years!

This environment is no different from any other.  I can tell your sentiments by listening to you over these many months and years.  Yes, I do have a good idea about your sentiments.

I read you properly.  I just, very often, see the same thing through a different prism.  I see what is very good in what you are saying, but I also see the dangers and pitfalls in some of the things you say.  That's no misinterpretation, nor is that failing to read.  It's very much like the 'uncomfortable truths' that scrat was discussing.  I bring out the uncomfortable truth in some of the things, not only you, but others have to say.

Can't agree but I respect your point of view cos I'm easy like a Sunday morning.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:35 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
Original Quill wrote:

See?  You're just playing out the game.  When someone calls your bluff, it's palms up and What did I do?

What you did was plant a story on a consistent theme, be it racist or homophobic.  It's a sort of double entendre, taking advantage of the ambiguity of the idea of posting.


How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?

Tommy, you're still playing, even after I've called you out. The game is over. Twisted Evil

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:37 am

eddie wrote:
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This environment is no different from any other.  I can tell your sentiments by listening to you over these many months and years.  Yes, I do have a good idea about your sentiments.

I read you properly.  I just, very often, see the same thing through a different prism.  I see what is very good in what you are saying, but I also see the dangers and pitfalls in some of the things you say.  That's no misinterpretation, nor is that failing to read.  It's very much like the 'uncomfortable truths' that scrat was discussing.  I bring out the uncomfortable truth in some of the things, not only you, but others have to say.

Can't agree but I respect your point of view cos I'm easy like a Sunday morning.

It's Saturday...

But you can see I've really taken to scrat's idea of uncomfortable truths. I think that's most poignant.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by eddie on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:40 am

Quill I could sit here and spout out any number of "uncomfortable truths" I think about people. It doesn't make them true,

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Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:45 am

eddie wrote:Quill I could sit here and spout out any number of "uncomfortable truths" I think about people. It doesn't make them true,

No, the real ones are true when they come to light. It's very much like an optical illusion...one minute you see one thing, then another minute you suddenly realize the uncomfortable truth. Writers going back to the Greek tragedies have played with that uncanny crossover.

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:07 pm

Original Quill wrote:
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How is the posting of actual news stories, 'baiting'...!?

Or 'racist'...!?

Or 'homophobic'...!?

Tommy, you're still playing, even after I've called you out.  The game is over.  Twisted Evil


Are you saying that the truth is 'racist/homophobic'...?


Or are you saying that I am 'racist/homophobic' for posting the truth...?



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Post by Guest on Sat Dec 03, 2016 1:28 pm

scrat wrote:When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered. We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force.
Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence. We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.
Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution. But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Bobby Kennedy.

Finding that this 'KKK' mindset is established in the very young and ingrained in their daily life 24/7 has been at the forefront for the longevity/solidarity of the 'KKK' brotherhood. 
The brain washing of what race to hate - what gender to control - what 'PEOPLE' to fear and what would be acceptable has be started long before that child begins to question or has the courage of 'free thought'! And toss in the right amount of some controlling religion and you've got the perfect balance.  
It worked well for Hitler and his 'Brown Shirt Youth Groups' and it's been successful for the 'KKK' too. 
How do we eradicate a 'mindset' that couldn't be eradicated post WWII? We can't erase Al Quida - Taliban they just change their flag and their attire and keep right on morphing into other names - other regions and starting anew?  Not that I'm for giving up --- NOOOO, that's never an option, but look at the heinous deeply seated pockets of racial hate that flare up world wide when the 'colored immigrants' flee their boundaries!

They are always tolerated - acknowledged - acceptable when 'THEY REMAIN OVER THERE, where they belong' ...it's when those impertinent invaders come over here --- how dare they Suspect 
That's when the hostile/old guard and deeply seated resentments flourish and the festering butt boil starts forming anew!

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scrat wrote:When you teach a man to hate and fear his brother, when you teach that he is a lesser man because of his color or his beliefs or the policies he pursues, when you teach that those who differ from you threaten your freedom or your job or your family, then you also learn to confront others not as fellow citizens but as enemies, to be met not with cooperation but with conquest; to be subjugated and mastered. We learn, at the last, to look at our brothers as aliens, men with whom we share a city, but not a community; men bound to us in common dwelling, but not in common effort. We learn to share only a common fear, only a common desire to retreat from each other, only a common impulse to meet disagreement with force.
Yet we know what we must do. It is to achieve true justice among our fellow citizens. The question is not what programs we should seek to enact. The question is whether we can find in our own midst and in our own hearts that leadership of humane purpose that will recognize the terrible truths of our existence. We must admit the vanity of our false distinctions among men and learn to find our own advancement in the search for the advancement of others. We must admit in ourselves that our own children's future cannot be built on the misfortunes of others. We must recognize that this short life can neither be ennobled or enriched by hatred or revenge.
Our lives on this planet are too short and the work to be done too great to let this spirit flourish any longer in our land. Of course we cannot vanquish it with a program, nor with a resolution. But we can perhaps remember, if only for a time, that those who live with us are our brothers, that they share with us the same short moment of life; that they seek, as do we, nothing but the chance to live out their lives in purpose and in happiness, winning what satisfaction and fulfillment they can. Surely, this bond of common faith, this bond of common goal, can begin to teach us something. Surely, we can learn, at least, to look at those around us as fellow men, and surely we can begin to work a little harder to bind up the wounds among us and to become in our own hearts brothers and countrymen once again.

Bobby Kennedy.

Finding that this 'KKK' mindset is established in the very young and ingrained in their daily life 24/7 has been at the forefront for the longevity/solidarity of the 'KKK' brotherhood. 
The brain washing of what race to hate - what gender to control - what 'PEOPLE' to fear and what would be acceptable has be started long before that child begins to question or has the courage of 'free thought'! And toss in the right amount of some controlling religion and you've got the perfect balance.  
It worked well for Hitler and his 'Brown Shirt Youth Groups' and it's been successful for the 'KKK' too. 
How do we eradicate a 'mindset' that couldn't be eradicated post WWII? We can't erase Al Quida - Taliban they just change their flag and their attire and keep right on morphing into other names - other regions and starting anew?  Not that I'm for giving up --- NOOOO, that's never an option, but look at the heinous deeply seated pockets of racial hate that flare up world wide when the 'colored immigrants' flee their boundaries!

They are always tolerated - acknowledged - acceptable when 'THEY REMAIN OVER THERE, where they belong' ...it's when those impertinent invaders come over here --- how dare they Suspect 
That's when the hostile/old guard and deeply seated resentments flourish and the festering butt boil starts forming anew!


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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Guest on Sat Dec 03, 2016 2:53 pm

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Finding that this 'KKK' mindset is established in the very young and ingrained in their daily life 24/7 has been at the forefront for the longevity/solidarity of the 'KKK' brotherhood. 
The brain washing of what race to hate - what gender to control - what 'PEOPLE' to fear and what would be acceptable has be started long before that child begins to question or has the courage of 'free thought'! And toss in the right amount of some controlling religion and you've got the perfect balance.  
It worked well for Hitler and his 'Brown Shirt Youth Groups' and it's been successful for the 'KKK' too. 
How do we eradicate a 'mindset' that couldn't be eradicated post WWII? We can't erase Al Quida - Taliban they just change their flag and their attire and keep right on morphing into other names - other regions and starting anew?  Not that I'm for giving up --- NOOOO, that's never an option, but look at the heinous deeply seated pockets of racial hate that flare up world wide when the 'colored immigrants' flee their boundaries!

They are always tolerated - acknowledged - acceptable when 'THEY REMAIN OVER THERE, where they belong' ...it's when those impertinent invaders come over here --- how dare they Suspect 
That's when the hostile/old guard and deeply seated resentments flourish and the festering butt boil starts forming anew!
Good to see you back on here, and you're right there's too much hatred in the world, question is when and how are we going to fight back against it.
Good to read your and see you've managed to HANG ON, despite the ugly onslaught waged against you way of thinking!


Fighting Back: seems that would be as easy as holding onto 'water'!  How does one change a vile mindset '?' ...well IMO it should never be petted and encouraged - given moral support and affection pats on the head or back. 
Shaming the vile & ugly neardowells into a STFU or pausing for a clarity of thought about their rational for those vile & ugly racially geared/biased feelings should be the way to start.  But far too often it becomes a 'tag team' of playing favorites instead of disavowing the blatant WRONG in what is being perpetrated by anyone from any side! 
People just would far rather 'BUDDY UP' and encourage or remain mute to the morally wrongs things said or done then to take a stand and protect any other human getting insulted/put down/verbally attacked/or physically assaulted by mankind ...then to do the right thing and say ENOUGH! 

'Silent Consent' is just as mean spirited as those that 'BIBLE THUMP' because they assume they are GOD's chosen and have the inalienable right to judge, while the 'Silent Consenters' just don't want to get pulled in to the fray!  
And then again, Scrat ...there are those that walk & breath among us that are just quite happy to be vile & ugly and there's no changing their disgusting mindset - except to explain how repugnant their words and attitude are regardless.  It's all we have; they won't change their disgusting ways of behavior nor more than those that can hide behind their FAKE FAITH and use their religions as a shield from which to toss morality bombs at other humans!  Twisted Evil         

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Good to read your and see you've managed to HANG ON, despite the ugly onslaught waged against you way of thinking!


Fighting Back: seems that would be as easy as holding onto 'water'!  How does one change a vile mindset '?' ...well IMO it should never be petted and encouraged - given moral support and affection pats on the head or back. 
Shaming the vile & ugly neardowells into a STFU or pausing for a clarity of thought about their rational for those vile & ugly racially geared/biased feelings should be the way to start.  But far too often it becomes a 'tag team' of playing favorites instead of disavowing the blatant WRONG in what is being perpetrated by anyone from any side! 
People just would far rather 'BUDDY UP' and encourage or remain mute to the morally wrongs things said or done then to take a stand and protect any other human getting insulted/put down/verbally attacked/or physically assaulted by mankind ...then to do the right thing and say ENOUGH! 

'Silent Consent' is just as mean spirited as those that 'BIBLE THUMP' because they assume they are GOD's chosen and have the inalienable right to judge, while the 'Silent Consenters' just don't want to get pulled in to the fray!  
And then again, Scrat ...there are those that walk & breath among us that are just quite happy to be vile & ugly and there's no changing their disgusting mindset - except to explain how repugnant their words and attitude are regardless.  It's all we have; they won't change their disgusting ways of behavior nor more than those that can hide behind their FAKE FAITH and use their religions as a shield from which to toss morality bombs at other humans!  Twisted Evil         
It is difficult to grasp the reasoning of those folk who tolerate racism, homophobia and bigotry, they're convinced that spouting such hatred is free speech, it is not free speech if it incite's far right extremists to commit acts of terrorism.

When I was a child I looked on at America with awe and wonderment, i watched the civil rights struggle, I was clued to the TV during the moon landings, the trauma of Vietnam, the falling of the Berlin Wall and the election of a black president (IMO the best president that nation has had since Roosevelt), what on earth has gone wrong?

UGH ...how far back should one delve into the angst and simmering/festering butt boil that began to burn the 'Right Minded Bible Thumpers'?

I suppose Roe v Wade in 1973 might be as good a place as any; it's been one of the most highly fought/contentious issues that the 'bible thumpers' want to undo and have become our own 'Homeland/Home Grown Terrorists' about that Federal mandated issue. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/410/113.html  
And those willing to commit murder/bomb/threaten more mayhem and killings due to the PP {planned parenthood clinics} are funded and supported by the same 'Right Leaning Wing Nut Bible Thumpers' from that era!  All good white folk - with their bibles in one hand and their weapons of destruction in the other ...doing Gods work Twisted Evil
Don't Ask - Don't Tell issue in 1993 became a huge boondoggle for anyone serving in the military and the mounting problems expedited many honorable service men & women getting drummed out of their specific groups.
http://definitions.uslegal.com/d/dont-ask-dont-tell-policy/
That was repealed and that brought about the 'Equality Act of 2010'
http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents 
California had the Prop. #8 on their ballot, but the karfarckle and the misconstrued way in which it was worded ...people were very confused and thought that they were voting for the right for 'same sex couples to wed' but were in fact voting to DENY THEM THE RIGHT TO WED LEGALLY - {Quill would have better first hand info on that issue then I had - mine was just from articles I'd read}  but it started a huge wave across America and state after state began to crumble about this 'Civil Ceremony Issue' for the LGBTQ community.
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-bill/2976 
And what were the 'Bible Belt - Right Wing' Americans listening too?  What was catching their main attention and feeding their angst - their need to react ...well none other than the ilk of the now infamous Rush Limbaugh

His talk show began in 1984 at Sacramento, California radio station KFBK, featuring his ongoing format of political commentary and listener calls. In 1988, Limbaugh began broadcasting his show nationally from radio station WABC in New York City, and the show's flagship station became WOR in 2014. He currently lives in Palm Beach, Florida, where he broadcasts The Rush Limbaugh Show. According to December 2015 estimates by Talkers Magazine, Rush Limbaugh has a cume (cumulative weekly audience) of around 13.25 million unique listeners (listening for at least five minutes), making it the most listened-to talk-radio program in the US. In the 1990s, Limbaugh's books The Way Things Ought to Be (1992) and See, I Told You So (1993) made The New York Times Best Seller list. Limbaugh frequently criticizes, in his books and on his show, what he regards as liberal policies and politicians, as well as what he perceives as a pervasive liberal bias in major U.S. media. Limbaugh is among the highest paid people in U.S. media, signing a contract in 2008 for $400 million through 2016. In 2015, Forbes listed his earnings at $79 million for the previous 12 months, and ranked him the 11th highest earning celebrity in the world. His most recent contract, signed on July 31, 2016, will take his radio program to 2020, its 32nd year.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rush_Limbaugh

And the ranting media talking heads were born - they'd found their niche and they were being funded by the 'Fanatic Religious' that needed the fuel that he provided them, based off of the worst lies/vile/mean/despiteful things he & his ilk could fabricate about 'GLBTQ' community - POTUS - the government as a whole - the Liberals that were Satan's Pawn and how this entire collective group were dragging America into the bowels of HELL. 

And the sheeple believed and paid homage to their hero's. And then the 'Cheeto-King' picked up where those talking heads left off and he carried the Electoral Collage Votes. 

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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sat Dec 03, 2016 7:25 pm

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Tommy, you're still playing, even after I've called you out.  The game is over.  Twisted Evil

Are you saying that the truth is 'racist/homophobic'...?

Or are you saying that I am 'racist/homophobic' for posting the truth...?

No, I'm saying your selection of things to highlight as "truth" is most exclusive.  There are two levels by which a poster might be read, one is the specific and singular article or topic, then there is the meta-level of a constant theme, over and over again.  In the latter type of communication you see the preoccupation of the poster...always and always, the same old thing.

What was his name, Big Al?  He used to do the same thing.  In the single story there are just the facts of the single incident, but in the meta-level there is incessant racism and homophobia, communicated by the selection of things about which to post. It's deliberate ambiguity.

Go back to your own example, the Ohio State kid.  First, you've got a strange sense of cause and effect, blaming ISIS for a kid they have never heard of.  And second, you hammer over and over on Muslims, and therein is your meta-level message.  And please don't tell me it's random...prothlesizers don't do random.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:15 pm

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Tommy Monk wrote:

Are you saying that the truth is 'racist/homophobic'...?

Or are you saying that I am 'racist/homophobic' for posting the truth...?

No, I'm saying your selection of things to highlight as "truth" is most exclusive.  There are two levels by which a poster might be read, one is the specific and singular article or topic, then there is the meta-level of a constant theme, over and over again.  In the latter type of communication you see the preoccupation of the poster...always and always, the same old thing.


What was his name, Big Al?  He used to do the same thing.  In the single story there are just the facts of the single incident, but in the meta-level there is incessant racism and homophobia, communicated by the selection of things about which to post.  It's deliberate ambiguity.

Go back to your own example, the Ohio State kid.  First, you've got a strange sense of cause and effect, blaming ISIS for a kid they have never heard of.  And second, you hammer over and over on Muslims, and therein is your meta-level message.  And please don't tell me it's random...prothlesizers don't do random.


The truth is the truth...

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Sat Dec 03, 2016 9:50 pm

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SASS, I joined 7-12-13.
you joined 4-1-15.

I 'm sure they were on then.

Could be with different names.

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I actually joined as "Beekeeper" a few days after you in December 2013,  nicko --  and Quill joined a couple of days after me;   (Irn Bru emailed me the address to this site, and I passed it on to Quill, lovedust and another of our forum friends..).

I lost my access to the "Beekeeper" i.d. from some technical glitch (which I put down to the current Oz guvm'nt fart-arsing around with the Internet..), and then again I couldn't use my second "Lone Wolf" id, when the Internet again went belly up in this street for a few days last year..  So my current join date, and post count, are a bit later..

I believe that as well as Irn, there were others like sassy, Dodge, miffs, Victor and others who all joined here over Nov' 2013 - January 2014, who all knew one another from a couple of previous forums..

You will find that sassy probably either lost access or temporarily cancelled her account, then rejoined in January ?     Smile

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Post by nicko on Sat Dec 03, 2016 10:39 pm

Thank you Wolfie.
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Re: When you teach a man to hate.

Post by Original Quill on Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:34 am

Tommy Monk wrote:
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No, I'm saying your selection of things to highlight as "truth" is most exclusive.  There are two levels by which a poster might be read, one is the specific and singular article or topic, then there is the meta-level of a constant theme, over and over again.  In the latter type of communication you see the preoccupation of the poster...always and always, the same old thing.


What was his name, Big Al?  He used to do the same thing.  In the single story there are just the facts of the single incident, but in the meta-level there is incessant racism and homophobia, communicated by the selection of things about which to post.  It's deliberate ambiguity.

Go back to your own example, the Ohio State kid.  First, you've got a strange sense of cause and effect, blaming ISIS for a kid they have never heard of.  And second, you hammer over and over on Muslims, and therein is your meta-level message.  And please don't tell me it's random...prothlesizers don't do random.

The truth is the truth...

Ducking the issue. Or, should I say...WAFFLE!?

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