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I don't understand this thread or the graphic. scratch

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Ziz wrote:I don't understand this thread or the graphic.  scratch

I ain't surprised.

Please explain then.

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Post by eddie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:12 pm

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Ziz wrote:I don't understand this thread or the graphic.  scratch

I ain't surprised.

Please explain then.

She has red knees....suggesting she was on her knees to get the job...

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:15 pm

eddie wrote:
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Please explain then.

She has red knees....suggesting she was on her knees to get the job...

So it's a commentary on the glass ceiling and inequality, in this instance showing a women needing to beg for promotion - I see.

There is still a gender pay gap of around 20% I believe - unreal in this day and age. No


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Post by eddie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:17 pm

I think it was simply a joke Ziz. I'm not easily offended and this didn't offend me, as a female..?

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 5:20 pm

eddie wrote:I think it was simply a joke Ziz. I'm not easily offended and this didn't offend me, as a female..?

In which case I don't understand it - and I worked in predominantly female environment for decades.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:16 pm

It didn't offend me either.
I once got a job running a bar in a really nice nightclub, there had been 50 odd applicants.
A friend sent me a card that said something like...which girl always landed  the best job?...
A...The best qualified one,
B....The one with the highest 1Q...or...(turn page)
C....the one with the biggest tits.
The answer on the card was C obviously.

In those un pc days that was quite funny I thought.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:21 pm

Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?

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Post by nicko on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:30 pm

Ziz knows what it ment, he's having us on !
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:33 pm

nicko wrote:Ziz knows what it ment,   he's having us on !

I can now hazard a guess after Syl's post - it is neither true to life or funny.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:34 pm

Ziz wrote:Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?

I dont understand the logic in that.
Do you think men dont get ribbed about their jobs sometimes?
In fact in the past young lads could be positively abused by older women workers, especially in factories, and it didn't seem to affect their wage in the workplace.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:36 pm

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nicko wrote:Ziz knows what it ment,   he's having us on !

I can now hazard a guess after Syl's post - it is neither true to life or funny.

Of course it's not true to life....if it were it would be offensive, especially to the successful applicant. Razz

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:37 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?

I dont understand the logic in that.
Do you think men dont get ribbed about their jobs sometimes?
In fact in the past young lads could be positively abused by older women workers, especially in factories, and it didn't seem to affect their wage in the workplace.

The gender gap in wages favours men by about 20% - so clearly your example has no bearing.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:39 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I can now hazard a guess after Syl's post - it is neither true to life or funny.

Of course it's not true to life....if it were it would be offensive, especially to the successful applicant. Razz

If it doesn't reflect true life then how is it amusing?

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Post by eddie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:39 pm

I don't think me, finding a joke funny about women, is going to have any bearing on women's rights.
But then, I am hard to offend tbf.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:44 pm

eddie wrote:I don't think me, finding a joke funny about women, is going to have any bearing on women's rights.
But then, I am hard to offend tbf.

While women laugh at illustrations of their inferior status then it surely has a bearing. Should slaves have laughed along with slave-owners at images of the subjugation of blacks - or should they have got angry?

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:47 pm

Correction: The gender pay gap is about 14% and not 20% as I stated - apologies.

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Post by eddie on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:47 pm

Ziz wrote:
eddie wrote:I don't think me, finding a joke funny about women, is going to have any bearing on women's rights.
But then, I am hard to offend tbf.

While women laugh at illustrations of their inferior status then it surely has a bearing.  Should slaves have laughed along with slave-owners at images of the subjugation of blacks - or should they have got angry?

Ziz I find humour in absolutely everything as long as it's not over the top offensive.

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Re: How To Get Promoted

Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:51 pm

eddie wrote:
Ziz wrote:

While women laugh at illustrations of their inferior status then it surely has a bearing.  Should slaves have laughed along with slave-owners at images of the subjugation of blacks - or should they have got angry?

Ziz I find humour in absolutely everything as long as it's not over the top offensive.

I find inequality and discrimination too offensive to laugh along with it - others don't.


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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:52 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

I dont understand the logic in that.
Do you think men dont get ribbed about their jobs sometimes?
In fact in the past young lads could be positively abused by older women workers, especially in factories, and it didn't seem to affect their wage in the workplace.

The gender gap in wages favours men by about 20% - so clearly your example has no bearing.

Yes it does...read again.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 6:59 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

The gender gap in wages favours men by about 20% - so clearly your example has no bearing.

Yes it does...read again.

I have and I still don't get it. If I already get more pay than a female why is pertinent if or I am abused by a women?  Assuming a sexual connotation to the allegedly humourous image, then the female is prostituting herself for gain at work - I, as a male, would not need to.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 7:30 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes it does...read again.

I have and I still don't get it. If I already get more pay than a female why is pertinent if or I am abused by a women?  Assuming a sexual connotation to the allegedly humourous image, then the female is prostituting herself for gain at work - I, as a male, would not need to.

My point was  males were, maybe still are often teased and taunted by females at work, especially in factories so I have been told.
Actually, the worst sexual shenanagins I ever saw myself was a female worker towards a male worker.
So your quote of....Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?  
is not strictly true.

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Re: How To Get Promoted

Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:08 pm

Major wrote:Teased and taunted in good fun, no malice intended.

Ziz seeks forum disruption sneakily, he is the sort who woulda grassed "Lady Godiva".

I would - I believe in public decency.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:09 pm

Major wrote:Teased and taunted in good fun, no malice intended.

Ziz seeks forum disruption sneakily, he is the sort who woulda grassed "Lady Godiva".

Peoples perceptions of what's acceptable and what isn't has changed so much.
Obviously real sexual harassment should always be frowned on, and when I worked it wasn't that unusual for a male boss to try it on with young staff, but instead of complaining and accusing everyone of sexual harassment we tended to deal with it ourselves and most times,( in my own experiences) that was enough to stop it.




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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:10 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I have and I still don't get it. If I already get more pay than a female why is pertinent if or I am abused by a women?  Assuming a sexual connotation to the allegedly humourous image, then the female is prostituting herself for gain at work - I, as a male, would not need to.

My point was  males were, maybe still are often teased and taunted by females at work, especially in factories so I have been told.
Actually, the worst sexual shenanagins I ever saw myself was a female worker towards a male worker.
So your quote of....Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?  
is not strictly true.

It was a question not a statement - and it remains valid.

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Post by Syl on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:38 pm

Ziz wrote:
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My point was  males were, maybe still are often teased and taunted by females at work, especially in factories so I have been told.
Actually, the worst sexual shenanagins I ever saw myself was a female worker towards a male worker.
So your quote of....Perhaps the gender gap in pay still exists because too many women are not offended?  
is not strictly true.

It was a question not a statement - and it remains valid.

So your question was maybe women don't earn as much as men because some of them have a sense of humour?

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Post by nicko on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:50 pm

You seem a bit "uptight" Ziz, lighten up mate, your a long time dead !
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Post by HoratioTarr on Sun Nov 20, 2016 8:54 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes it does...read again.

I have and I still don't get it. If I already get more pay than a female why is pertinent if or I am abused by a women?  Assuming a sexual connotation to the allegedly humourous image, then the female is prostituting herself for gain at work - I, as a male, would not need to.

You try too hard. Just get to the fucking point and call him a sexist tosser.
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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:14 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I have and I still don't get it. If I already get more pay than a female why is pertinent if or I am abused by a women?  Assuming a sexual connotation to the allegedly humourous image, then the female is prostituting herself for gain at work - I, as a male, would not need to.

You try too hard.   Just get to the fucking point and call him a sexist tosser.

I hoped my approach would have some educational value.

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Post by Guest on Sun Nov 20, 2016 11:17 pm

Major wrote:Just hope you never get paid what you are worth, ziz, no one can take such a decrease.

I have no need of paid labour, Major.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 21, 2016 12:43 pm

nicko wrote:You seem a bit "uptight" Ziz,      lighten up mate,   your a long time dead !

When we give up caring, nicko, we may as well be dead.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 21, 2016 1:45 pm

Ziz wrote:
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Ziz I find humour in absolutely everything as long as it's not over the top offensive.

I find inequality and discrimination too offensive to laugh along with it - others don't.


Totally agree.   Woman should stop finding it funny and realise that going along with the humour normalises it and demeans their status.   Sometimes women are there own worst enemies.

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sassy wrote:
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I find inequality and discrimination too offensive to laugh along with it - others don't.


Totally agree.   Woman should stop finding it funny and realise that going along with the humour normalises it and demeans their status.   Sometimes women are there own worst enemies.

I second that.

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:43 pm

Hmmmm I think being humourless is a very sad way to live your life.
Sorry, but finding something that may be deemed "offensive" as funny, doesn't mean you're a bad person.
I laugh at most jokes including ones about myself.

Who can be fucking bothered to go around huffing and puffing over everything???? Seriously??

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:48 pm

eddie wrote:Hmmmm I think being humourless is a very sad way to live your life.
Sorry, but finding something that may be deemed "offensive" as funny, doesn't mean you're a bad person.
I laugh at most jokes including ones about myself.

Who can be fucking bothered to go around huffing and puffing over everything???? Seriously??

I second that. Razz

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:52 pm

I suppose it does depend on the way you have been treated and the way you have seen others treated in the workplace.
I also think which decade you grew up in defines how you see things to some extent.
I never felt demeaned in any job situation, if I had I would have sorted it then and there....that's my personal experience, obviously others see things differently.

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 21, 2016 2:58 pm

scrat wrote:
eddie wrote:Hmmmm I think being humourless is a very sad way to live your life.
Sorry, but finding something that may be deemed "offensive" as funny, doesn't mean you're a bad person.
I laugh at most jokes including ones about myself.

Who can be fucking bothered to go around huffing and puffing over everything???? Seriously??
If you tolerate sexism, would you also tolerate someone who laughed at Palestinian children burning to death.

Where do you draw a line?

But that's not a joke is it? scratch

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Post by Syl on Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:03 pm

There is obviously a line to be drawn....obviously no one with a brain would laugh at RL horrors, a daft cartoon or card sent in fun is hardly world shattering.
I might also add it would depend a lot on who sent it and in what circumstances.

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:19 pm

Well I can't answer for far-right women but I can answer for myself: it's a joke. I see humour in most things it's why I'm happy and centred, rarely judge anyone and have an entirely forgiving nature.

Jokes break up the harshness of the real world into bite-size chunks of bearability. To laugh at something doesn't make you any worse than someone who doesn't.

We are all different. To think some of us are better than others is a very right-wing trait.....do you think you're better than others, scrat?

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Post by eddie on Mon Nov 21, 2016 3:36 pm

Hahahahahaha we will agree to differ.
I'd rather be able to laugh than live like....well, a tunnel-visioned labeller.

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Post by Guest on Mon Nov 21, 2016 7:50 pm

Sometimes I utterly despair at women.   Is it any wonder that we still have problems about equal pay and sexual harrassment in the workplace when women can't see that finding things like the OP funny is what allows it to continue?   The attitude, oh I'm broadminded, I'm gonna laugh because I've got to show what a man's girl I am, is what allows it to keep happening.

And the inference that every woman can deal with it and it's not a problem is bloody ridiculous.   Yes, I've dealt with it myself.   I've also seen women, strong, ambitioous, intelligent women, have their lives destroyed by it and they leave their jobs rather than put up with it any more.   And I've seen young girls sobbing in the toilets because of sexual harrassment, and I've dealt with it on their behalf.   And I've seen women who are good looking and gone far dismissed as being in those positions because 'they slept their way to the top'.   Every woman who does not stand up and say that this is not funny, it's unacceptable, is enabling sexual harrassment and enabling other women to be demeaned and they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves.

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