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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Lord Foul on Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:00 pm

scrat wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:so here we go again...Scrat putting words into peoples mouths .....the swearing blind thats what they said....when its really nothing but Scrat LIES
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and crying abuse for one word of sarcasm

aww...one has to feel sorry for the delicate flowers of the left doesnt one...answer....(nope)
Are you acting on your own behalf as a poster or at the behest of your moderator applications? We must first proceed with such caution, especially now that your side kick has joined the show.

Perhaps instead of going on one from the off, you should peruse the thread and take note of where such utterances occurred.


twas just an (accurate) observation

P.S There is no Latin word for alligator it's etymology is recent, the correct form is Crocodilus, not being pedantic just making an observation.

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 10, 2016 9:07 pm

Back on topic...


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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Tommy Monk on Thu Nov 10, 2016 11:39 pm


Yawn...


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Re: Tory Britain

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Nov 11, 2016 7:09 am

That wasn't the op either...


Unless you meant back to posting bullshit left wing propaganda...!?

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Nov 11, 2016 6:06 pm

Fuck off scat!


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Re: Tory Britain

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:05 pm

Another week in Tory Britain:


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Re: Tory Britain

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:06 pm

scrat wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:That wasn't the op either...


Unless you meant back to posting bullshit left wing propaganda...!?
What Bullshit, the facts remain the filth that's the Tory party have robbed disabled folk to pay themselves greater expenses and give tax relief to the rich.

Of course this always backfires dramatically because more people become ill and the expense of treating them goes up!


Absolutely 100% accurate.

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:14 pm

IF all this is true ...then its disgusting

however scrat has posted it ...and we all know what scrat is dont we....... Rolling Eyes

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:17 pm

I know exactly what Scrat is, someone who stands up for justice.   The fact that you continue to try and demean him in every way you can is quite shocking.

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by nicko on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:19 pm

Why should we believe what scat says, when he doesn't believe it himself?

You don't do you scat?
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Re: Tory Britain

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:22 pm

Our Shadow Minister for Employment & Inequalities M Greenwold responding to End Child Poverty Report that reports up to 47% of children are in poverty


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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:23 pm

It depends on how you define "poverty".

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:23 pm

nicko wrote:Why should we believe what scat says, when he doesn't believe it himself?

You don't do you scat?


Don't be bloody ridiculous.   You obviously don't like the truth about the abominations that the Tory Party are carrying out.

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:24 pm

Tragic news today from homeless charity Shelter. 120,000 Children are forecast to wake up homeless on Xmas Day. A rise of 71% under Tories

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:25 pm


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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:27 pm

sassy wrote:I know exactly what Scrat is, someone who stands up for justice.   The fact that you continue to try and demean him in every way you can is quite shocking.

He is also a LIAR proven and inescapable.....and the fact he used LIES to do exactly that to me, is why I'm going to make sure that everyone knows what he is...the fact that you support him doesnt surprise me any more......

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:28 pm

I have never seen Scrat lie.   Every fact he gives is backed up.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:29 pm

sassy wrote:I have never seen Scrat lie.   Every fact he gives is backed up.

Not so. He's lied about me.

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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:32 pm

including the ones about me eh sassy...???

never offered a shred of "evidence"

he had the chance

but either the coward bottled it or he didnt have any....

which proves he's a liar.....

or was it a case of your finger slipped when you were operating him?

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:32 pm

This is big. A senior Tory MP writes to her own Chancellor accusing the Tories of lying about how much they've invested in the NHS

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:37 pm

Lord Foul wrote:including the ones about me eh sassy...???

never offered a shred of "evidence"

he had the chance

but either the coward bottled it or he didnt have any....

which proves he's a liar.....

or was it a case of your finger slipped when you were operating him?


Are you quite nuts?   You obviously have a problem about something Scrat said about you, probably when you banned him.  I believe that was supposed to have been sorted it.   I am talking about the political facts he gives and he is always accurate.  One of the reasons I don't come on here that much anymore is I dislike to see someone I used to hold in high regard become a ranting RW extremist.  I see you have succumbed to the manipulations of others by pretending that I 'operate' anyone.   I don't have the fucking time or the fucking energy.   Get over it.

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:44 pm

A ranting R/wW extremist....


Oh yes... that would be because I dont sit drooling like an obediant little doggy in front of a picture of your great leader


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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:45 pm

Lord Foul wrote:A ranting R/wW extremist....


Oh yes... that would be because I dont sit drooling like an obediant little doggy in front of a picture of your great leader



No, that's because you have become a ranting RW extremist, I'm very sorry to say.

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:47 pm

Tory back-to-work scheme 'to include half the number of disabled people thanks to funding cuts'

A report says the new Work and Health Programme (WHP) will cover half the number of disabled people it did in its previous form


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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:49 pm

Trainee nurses depend on food banks and payday loans to survive as unions warn of NHS 'timebomb'

Universities have also paid out £5.2million in hardship grants in just three years as the Tory decision to scrap the NHS bursary will result in thousands of fewer nurses


Trainee nurses are increasingly ­turning to food banks and payday loans as they struggle to afford their training.
A Sunday People investigation can reveal how in the past three years, a whopping £5.2million has been paid in hardship grants.
Around 6,500 nurses have received help - and unions warn that nurses who start training next year face finishing with £52,000 of debt.
That is leading to more nurses arriving at food banks to help feed their families or calling payday lenders to keep on top of bills.
Marina Down, 23, a single mum in London training to become a nurse, says her lowest point came when she was forced to visit a food bank with her daughter.
“That’s how desperate it can get,” she says. “I’m very grateful for it but I’m a single mother trying to feed myself, my child, and give as much as possible to my patients. It’s not easy.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trainee-nurses-depend-food-banks-8386405#ICID=sharebar_twitter

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Nov 11, 2016 8:56 pm

sassy wrote:Tragic news today from homeless charity Shelter. 120,000 Children are forecast to wake up homeless on Xmas Day. A rise of 71% under Tories



Only a very small minority of those officially categorised as “homeless” are actually sleeping rough on the streets. There are 73,120 in temporary accommodation. The latest estimate for the number sleeping rough on any given night is 3,569.  A quarter of them are in London. The number sleeping rough has doubled since 2010 – they weren’t really counted properly before then and, inevitably, the figures are still unreliable.

Of course some will be “challenging” for the authorities to “engage” with as they refuse help. Many are drug addicts, or alcoholics, or mentally ill who might be erratic about keeping appointments or filling in forms. However, there are some who sleep on the streets simply because they have nowhere else to go. They have followed all the procedures and been denied any accommodation by their local council. I have had examples of such “casework” in my Inbox over the past year as a councillor in Hammersmith and Fulham and had varying degrees of success in managing to help them.

Bob Blackman, the Conservative MP for Harrow East, wants to do something about it.

On Friday his Homelessness Reduction Bill has its Second Reading. This week it won Government support. One change is that councils would be obliged to take preventative action. The obligation would start before the bailiffs arrive and someone is out on the street with a suitcase shuffling off to the town hall.  If this happens to be a strapping single young man the Housing Department will quite likely tell him that he is not a “priority” and he is left to sleep on a park bench.

Instead local authorities would have a duty to help eligible people at risk of homelessness to secure accommodation 56 days before they are threatened with homelessness (up from 28 days at present). It would also ensure that other local services refer those either homeless or at risk of being homeless to local authority housing teams. If the early intervention fails and someone is still homeless the Council would have to provide some emergency relief – even if it is a single young man – rather than just leave him to sleep on the streets. The Bill has the support of the Government – which, of course, greatly increases its chances of becoming law.

The concern that councils have, understandably enough, is the extra pressure the new law would put them under. There might indeed be savings for the NHS and the criminal justice system by averting rough sleeping – but what of council budgets?

Crisis has estimated that a reduction in homelessness would save the taxpayer over £9,000 per person per year. They commissioned Nicholas Pleace at the University of York and Prof Dennis P. Culhane at the University of Pennsylvania to come up with the estimate. Researchers asked 86 people who had been homeless for at least 90 days about the services they had used. The fall in public spending is based on the average estimated reduction of £9,266 per person per year.

An earlier report offered various hypothetical examples – it includes a victim of domestic violence and someone else with learning difficulties. One consequence of refusing help to those deemed not a “priority” is that their situation deteriorates and they later do become a “priority” and end up costing the housing department more in the long term.

In any case, central Government have said that they would provide councils with extra funds to fully meet any extra costs of their obligations if this Bill becomes law.

In fact I am pretty unsympathetic about councils complaining about the cost of their provision for the homeless. This is because of the very substantial public health budgets which councils control. I have written before about how this money is largely wasted.

To take my own council as an example. It spends £23 million on public health. Just over two per cent – half a million pounds is allocated to “supportive housing”. A much bigger share should be.  In Hammersmith and Fulham I am told that:

“Adult Social Care estimate that around 55 per cent of residents in the generic supported housing services for homeless people have support needs related to their mental health, often presenting with substance and/or alcohol misuse. Approximately 20 per cent of these residents will have severe and enduring mental illness.”

In other words a majority of those being put in general hostels should be placed in specialist hostels. A disgrace.

We are a prosperous and civilised nation and we should not be forcing people to sleep rough. Councils should offer the homeless – and those for whom the threat of homelessness is looming – a sympathetic, confidential, efficient and timely service.  The result should be that nobody is refused a roof over their head. That is morally right and also a matter of good sense both in terms of the public finances and of public order.

MPs should pass the Blackman Bill and councils should make a success of it.


http://www.conservativehome.com/localgovernment/2016/10/council-should-rise-to-the-challenge-of-the-homelessness-reduction-bill.html

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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:06 pm

Who is TC?

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Post by Tommy Monk on Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:09 pm

sassy wrote:Trainee nurses depend on food banks and payday loans to survive as unions warn of NHS 'timebomb'

Universities have also paid out £5.2million in hardship grants in just three years as the Tory decision to scrap the NHS bursary will result in thousands of fewer nurses



Trainee nurses are increasingly ­turning to food banks and payday loans as they struggle to afford their training.
A Sunday People investigation can reveal how in the past three years, a whopping £5.2million has been paid in hardship grants.
Around 6,500 nurses have received help - and unions warn that nurses who start training next year face finishing with £52,000 of debt.
That is leading to more nurses arriving at food banks to help feed their families or calling payday lenders to keep on top of bills.
Marina Down, 23, a single mum in London training to become a nurse, says her lowest point came when she was forced to visit a food bank with her daughter.
“That’s how desperate it can get,” she says. “I’m very grateful for it but I’m a single mother trying to feed myself, my child, and give as much as possible to my patients. It’s not easy.”

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/trainee-nurses-depend-food-banks-8386405#ICID=sharebar_twitter


But we have all these types of people you want here to pay for...

http://www.miltonkeynes.co.uk/news/dad-of-eight-who-claimed-his-council-house-was-too-cramped-moves-into-house-worth-425-000-in-milton-keynes-1-7653778



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Re: Tory Britain

Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:33 pm

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Lord Foul wrote:A ranting R/wW extremist....


Oh yes... that would be because I dont sit drooling like an obediant little doggy in front of a picture of your great leader



No, that's because you have become a ranting RW extremist, I'm very sorry to say.
Its worrying that far right extremists like TC think that their hatred for the poor, the sick and the disabled is normal and should be encouraged because they believe that serving their betters and hoping to feed off the crumbs is their purpose in this life, I try to think about it logically,,,,,, no one with a free mind, free from the brainwashing of the state, free from the establishment propaganda would allow the poor, the sick and the disabled to suffer.

its amazing that you are stupid enough to think I'm a far right extremist since a) I havnt said any of those things...(you REALLY should learn to stop being such a damnable liar) and b) I have repeatedly posted here and elsewhere my views as to a possible solution, but no one bothered to engage the ideas..although to his credit I have to say it seems your Mr Corbyn "adopted" one or two ideas.....no where near strong enough and no where near enough but its a start I suppose.

See scrat...the issue YOU have is that like most of the left today ...you are just plain dumb.....YOU actually......are NOT "extreme" enough you only tackle half or less of the problem......you are too easily distracted and take your eye off the ball....

there are BILLIONS...missing from the tax take...and even closing up the loop holes wont suffice...

yiou lefty idiots weighd down on smokers...the result.....people stopped smoking...result huge losses in tax revenue, with any expected benefits in terms of lower illness rates not expected for 20 years.. Rolling Eyes (on top of which the revenue from tobacco paid far more than the cost of the resultant ilnesses...(and its disturbingly becomming a distinct possibility that smoking itself ISNT the demon it was thought to be at least in cancer terms....but thats a whole different can of worms for another time...)

electric cars will further rob the tax income.....ya cant tax electricity....well not like petrol anyhows....

so....

why not (and this is from those posts I made)
Legalise canabis and make it dutiable like booze?
legalise prostitution (with the same safeguards for the girls as the have in say austria) then you can tax the girls income, get VAT off the "sales of service"

oooh "my god how the money rolls in"

half a job scrat...thats the problem

oh and also the fact that folks are sick of little grey politicians serving up the "same old same old" back and forth

and then there are people like YOU (and a few others) who are to recruiting for labour what ghengis Khan was to diplomacy

(hint ...you dont gain voters by abusing folks into line.....)


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Post by Lord Foul on Fri Nov 11, 2016 9:36 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:Who is TC?

thats just scrat trying to be a "clever" geranium, and breaking the rules by doing so in reality.....
TC refers to my ID "in the other place" as the politicians say.

Thomas covenant....

funny thing is............poor old Thomas hasnt said any of those nasty things EITHER....

so we can conclude its just scrat being a liar as usual......



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Here we go, the far right propaganda machine moves into gear, this property is costing the tax payer £1200 a month, does the council own this property? Is it rented privately?

If it is council owned then it is accruing income, much like a "buy to leave" property that many overseas investors leave empty, there are 600,000 vacant properties some offering a fantastic return,,,,,on paper.

If it is privately owned then someone is making a fine living out of this, perhaps they should contribute a tad more in taxation.

As for the family, there are very few families with so many members, and of course none of them come remotely close to the wedge we've forked out to reward the owner of this property, other such properties nor for the likes of bankers bonuses or the expenses of MPs.

But hey Tom is a sickfuck RWer, he can be racist and thick as shit all at the same time.


The rent may well be £1200 a month... but that is £14400 a year of taxpayers cash... plus £6000 a year for each of their childrens school places... plus all the other cash benefits they are getting each week, probably another £300-400 a week = £15000-20000 a year... plus the nhs is paying for his college/uni course costs!!!


Also they will be getting council tax paid and school meals free etc...!!!


Add it all up and it's over £100,000 a year!!!!



Even if he does qualify and end up getting a job... the family will still end up costing us 10 times more than he will pay in tax every year!!!


How can you idiot lefties moan about lack of funds for some while supporting the insanity of allowing such massive drains on funds by other foreigners who shouldn't even be in the country...!!!???



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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:20 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:Who is TC?

thats just scrat trying to be a "clever" geranium, and breaking the rules by doing so in reality.....
TC refers to my ID "in the other place" as the politicians say.

Thomas covenant....

funny thing is............poor old Thomas hasnt said any of those nasty things EITHER....

so we can conclude its just scrat being a liar as usual......



Ah, I see. He was complaining the other day because I called you "Victor" when referring to your account on Flap, and now he's calling you the name you use on there, on here - if that makes sense. Laughing

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:22 pm

Lefties always bring everything back to money. They never really get the point - ie, personal responsibility for oneself instead of relying on others, fairness for the tax payers who are entitled to be concerned about what their money is being spent on, and the concept of reward for effort.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:37 pm

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Raggamuffin wrote:Lefties always bring everything back to money. They never really get the point - ie, personal responsibility for oneself instead of relying on others, fairness for the tax payers who are entitled to be concerned about what their money is being spent on, and the concept of reward for effort.
It comes as no surprise to me that your Westboro church ignorance floated over the £TRILLIONS robbed by the establishment, but as you're just a newbie perhaps you need a tad more time for the reality of it all to sink in.

I'm not a member of the Westboro church - I'm certainly not American.

A newbie? On this forum? I've been here since 2014.

Look, you need to take off your blinkers and stop dividing people into "rich" and "poor". Most people who work pay some taxes, and they are entitled to know they're getting value for money. You're just too extreme in your views, and that makes you a bit ignorant.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:38 pm

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The rent may well be £1200 a month... but that is £14400 a year of taxpayers cash... plus £6000 a year for each of their childrens school places... plus all the other cash benefits they are getting each week, probably another £300-400 a week = £15000-20000 a year... plus the nhs is paying for his college/uni course costs!!!


Also they will be getting council tax paid and school meals free etc...!!!


Add it all up and it's over £100,000 a year!!!!



Even if he does qualify and end up getting a job... the family will still end up costing us 10 times more than he will pay in tax every year!!!


How can you idiot lefties moan about lack of funds for some while supporting the insanity of allowing such massive drains on funds by other foreigners who shouldn't even be in the country...!!!???


perspective is a truly great utility to possess.

At the last count there were five families claiming over £100,000 in benefit, and yet MPs claim close to £200,000 in expenses and £90,000 in salaries.

But because you're a far right extremist you think these MPs who voted to take £30pw from disabled folk are more worthy.

The demented logic of the far right mind!

Nobody should be getting over £100,000 in benefits. There are benefit caps in place, so they need to pay back the money.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 11, 2016 10:51 pm

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Nobody should be getting over £100,000 in benefits. There are benefit caps in place, so they need to pay back the money.
Well out of a population of 65MIllion 5 families do.

It's establishment propaganda, punted out by far right westboro church extremists like yourself, it's what you do because it feeds your bitterness and hatred, and bitterness and hatred floats your boat.

It pisses me off when people take the piss, but some perspective please!,,,your fanatical hypocrisy is enough to make me gak!

Prove that I'm a far right Westboro church extremist, or accept that you're a liar. You've already lied about me several times, and yet your cheerleader thinks that you're such a truthful little soul.

It doesn't matter how few people are claiming that amount - the number of people claiming that amount should be zero. You have no concept of fairness have you?

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