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Post by Independent Thoughts on Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:51 am

As we all know, Hillary took one heck of a thumping on election night. Why anyone would have wanted a corrupt politician as our president, in the first place, is beyond me. Thankfully, America was able to veer our nation off the path of destruction by electing Trump.

If anyone wants to express or share the joy and happiness they're feeling after having heard of Trump's victory, please feel free to share and gloat.


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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:53 am

Okay so I've stuck it in miscellany as it's not political news.

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Post by Syl on Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:54 am

We are being trumped out on here....I can see a merging coming on soon if it doesn't stop. What a Face

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Nov 09, 2016 11:56 am

As of Wednesday afternoon, hours after Clinton called Trump to concede, the former secretary of state clung to a narrow lead in the popular vote, 47.7%-47.5%.
She had 59,626,695 votes, according to CNN's tally, with 92% of the expected vote counted. Trump had 59,428,493. That difference of almost 200,000 is razor-thin considering the nearly 120 million votes counted so far. The totals will continue to change as absentee votes trickle in.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:00 pm

(Pssst -- the blue is where all the people live. The red is mainly corn, cows and abandoned factories)

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:18 pm

one has to ask though Bae (britsh aerospace?????) who's "fault" it is that those factories are abandoned?

I think we have been curseblessed by an arab...(they have a saying...may you live in interesting times)

but perhaps the liberal side of things need to think hard and why, what should have been a foregone conclusion turned into a rout.....

my suggestion is to actually listen to those who dissent...rather than telling them to STFU and do it "cos we think its right"

you dont win over voters by abusing them and telling them they are dumb ass rednecks (even if they are)

the number of people wo support something merely becasue it is "the right thinng to do", especially if they percieve its going to cost them, pales into insignificance in comparison to the number of those who think "sod that", ESPECIALLY when they then see that its "them" (the "squeezed middle" )thats going to end up paying for it regardless..
and no pie in the sky jam tomorrow promises of the suppose benefits provided by immigration on a huge scale is going to impress them either.

You perhaps have an even bigger problem In America than we do here ....
the number of idiots against a decent social policy (should read a social policy of decency) is samll in comparison to our total number...Most people here root for the underdog (unless thats a politician)
over your way my perception is its the exception rather than the rule and MOST over there would let their neighbour starve rather than share the crust off their loaf,,,,I may be wrong but your society seems perdicated purely on survival of the meanest SOB.

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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:28 pm

Oh noooooo Vic!! Let me put you right!

"Bae," Urban Dictionary says, is an acronym that stands for "before anyone else," or a shortened version of baby or babe, another word for sweetie,. In addition, "bae" has appeared in rap songs and countless web memes since the mid-2000's."

So you see, you need to use it all the time now you know.....

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:41 pm

LF, you want someone to blame for those abandoned factories? You put the blame squarely on the shoulders of people who owned them and were making lots of money running them, but then realized they could make even more money if they hired Chinese wage slaves and bought robots to do the jobs the factory workers once did.

There was nothing the left did to create that situation. In fact, it began to accelerate under Reagan.

The left has tried to make it so that companies moving overseas couldn't claim a moving deduction, to create at least something of a disincentive: https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/113/s2569#summary/libraryofcongress

Republicans blocked it.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:00 pm

mmm...thats understood ....much like here.


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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:00 pm

eddie wrote:Oh noooooo Vic!! Let me put you right!

"Bae," Urban Dictionary says, is an acronym that stands for "before anyone else," or a shortened version of baby or babe, another word for sweetie,. In addition, "bae" has appeared in rap songs and countless web memes since the mid-2000's."

So you see, you need to use it all the time now you know.....


I also understand its the danish word for...........................................POO

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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:10 pm

eddie wrote:
Oh noooooo Vic!! Let me put you right!

"Bae," Urban Dictionary says, is an acronym that stands for "before anyone else," or a shortened version of baby or babe, another word for sweetie,. In addition, "bae" has appeared in rap songs and countless web memes since the mid-2000's."

So you see, you need to use it all the time now you know.....

Idea

In Australia, BAE refers to the British defence industry corporation that Victor refers to..

In Danish, "bae" means faeces/shit/poop !!!

Much like what "Independent Thoughts" has between his/her ears..

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Post by eddie on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:13 pm

Ahhhhhh the Danish. They make fine pastries.

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Post by Ben Reilly on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:29 pm

Lord Foul wrote:mmm...thats understood ....much like here.


We (as in we people of Earth) need these wage slaves to organize and unionize, and we need to put pressure on the companies themselves to stop putting profits before people. I don't know what we can do about the robots, though scratch

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Post by Spindleshanks on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:39 pm

Bae wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:mmm...thats understood ....much like here.


We (as in we people of Earth) need these wage slaves to organize and unionize, and we need to put pressure on the companies themselves to stop putting profits before people. I don't know what we can do about the robots, though scratch

It's all well and good to call them slave wages, they are in comparison to the wages that can be earned in the west. But, don't forget to take different overall living costs into account as well.

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Nov 09, 2016 1:58 pm

Bae wrote:
Lord Foul wrote:mmm...thats understood ....much like here.


We (as in we people of Earth) need these wage slaves to organize and unionize, and we need to put pressure on the companies themselves to stop putting profits before people. I don't know what we can do about the robots, though scratch

throw your clogs (sabots) into the works/pull out the plugs/ wee in em

how do you "kill a robot"

you poke its eyes out, smash its ears and twist its antennae........

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Post by Lord Foul on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:00 pm

or ...alternately give it two mutually exclusive things to do at once......
or...ask it to calculate PI to its end point......

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Post by sassy on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:08 pm

scrat wrote:Bernie Sanders would've beaten Trump because it was all about the underdog beating the establishment and the established order,Trump was able to use the fear of Clintons NWO and her corrupt arrogance to portray her as simply maintaining a status quo that doesn't feed into the white Christian sense of loss.

Much like new labour, there was no policy differential between mainstream republicans and democrats, the result of the Trump victory could work well in Britains favour, Trump will side with the British on trade and if there is an uncontrollable political authoritarianism of the right that delivers nothing but civil disorder and unrest this will work in Corbyns favour.

Meanwhile, Americans should move on and be prepared for the worse.


Agreed, over and over again it was shown that Hillary would not beat Trump but Sanders would thrash him.   People wanted change.   The only chance of change they were given was racism and hate and America's own self proclaimed demigod and all the vile things he stands for.   Now, most sane people would say they would rather it stayed the same than that, but then I fear the whole world is turning mad.   At the moment haters are winning.   So we fight back, because unlike them, we have something worth fighting for.

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Post by The Devil, You Know on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:38 pm

Bae wrote:
As of Wednesday afternoon, hours after Clinton called Trump to concede, the former secretary of state clung to a narrow lead in the popular vote, 47.7%-47.5%.
She had 59,626,695 votes, according to CNN's tally, with 92% of the expected vote counted. Trump had 59,428,493. That difference of almost 200,000 is razor-thin considering the nearly 120 million votes counted so far. The totals will continue to change as absentee votes trickle in.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote.

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Post by Spindleshanks on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:55 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Bae wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote.

I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:04 pm

In uk 2015 general election... Ukip got about as many votes than lib dems and snp and greens and plaid cmmry combined... but only one seat...




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The Devil, You Know wrote:
Bae wrote:
As of Wednesday afternoon, hours after Clinton called Trump to concede, the former secretary of state clung to a narrow lead in the popular vote, 47.7%-47.5%.
She had 59,626,695 votes, according to CNN's tally, with 92% of the expected vote counted. Trump had 59,428,493. That difference of almost 200,000 is razor-thin considering the nearly 120 million votes counted so far. The totals will continue to change as absentee votes trickle in.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote.

Which changes what fact? We don't have compulsory voting (though we should).

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Post by Spindleshanks on Wed Nov 09, 2016 3:09 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:In uk 2015 general election... Ukip got about as many votes than lib dems and snp and greens and plaid cmmry combined... but only one seat...




It's a completely different system.
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Post by Original Quill on Wed Nov 09, 2016 4:57 pm

scrat wrote: I think Trump will quickly realise that politics is a snake pit and he's bitten off more than he can chew, he will try and be all things to all men, he will rely on his advisors and they'll play him like a cheap violin.

But where does he get the advisers?  Low-energy Jeb?  McCain, the war loser?  Paul Ryan, who wouldn't back him?  The generals, whom he calls "rubble"? Even Giuliani will back away when he sees what Trump has in mind for Jews.  

Trump has alienated all of the experienced Republicans.  And his base won't let him bring in establishment types anyway.

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:02 pm

The Devil, You Know wrote:
Bae wrote:
As of Wednesday afternoon, hours after Clinton called Trump to concede, the former secretary of state clung to a narrow lead in the popular vote, 47.7%-47.5%.
She had 59,626,695 votes, according to CNN's tally, with 92% of the expected vote counted. Trump had 59,428,493. That difference of almost 200,000 is razor-thin considering the nearly 120 million votes counted so far. The totals will continue to change as absentee votes trickle in.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote
.

Counting isn't your strong point, is it?

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Post by veya_victaous on Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:02 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:
Bae wrote:

http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote/

What an ass-whipping! Well, the people have spoken

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote.

I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?

because like our own nations it is determined by the number of seats won not votes.

Many rural seats have low popuations distrubted over larger areas, while cities have more people in each seat but smaller areas.
if it were purely on votes the decisions and policies would all be directed at the cities as you can get more votes covering a smaller geographic area, which is cheaper and quicker than trying to find that many people in a rural areas.

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:24 pm



lol!

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Post by Irn Bru on Wed Nov 09, 2016 5:29 pm



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Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Wed Nov 09, 2016 10:38 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:
The Devil, You Know wrote:

clinton and trump so energised america that the turnout was just above 49%

clinton got 25.6%
of the votes
trump 25.5%

around 50.1% could not be arsed to get out of bed and vote.

I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?

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WE have a similar situation down here in Oz...

Not only do you need a majority of the votes in the Lower House down here to make policies into legislation, a party hoping to form guvm'nt also needs to have a majority of seats and a majority of states...

With minor parties and Independents sitting on the "cross benches" a minority gov't (e.g. a party with maybe only 46->48% of the votes), may be able to form gov't if they get enough of the cross-benchers on side, as to give them that effective "fifty per cent plus one vote" ...      


LIKEWISE, over there in the USA, it is the number of "electoral college" wins (i.e. the first candidate to reach 270 electorates..) that delivers a major party the presidency...  

IF it were simply a "popularity vote" then you might see something like Bernie Sanders vs the lady from the Greens vs David Dukes vs Beyonce vs David Letterman..        Razz

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Post by Spindleshanks on Thu Nov 10, 2016 12:27 am

veya_victaous wrote:
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I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?

because like our own nations it is determined by the number of seats won not votes.

Many rural seats have low popuations distrubted over larger areas, while cities have more people in each seat but smaller areas.
if it were purely on votes the decisions and policies would all be directed at the cities as you can get more votes covering a smaller geographic area, which is cheaper and quicker than trying to find that many people in a rural areas.

If its about seats it shouldn't matter if there is 300 or 300,000 voting, the candidate with the majority vote wins.

The problem as I see it in the US is that even if a candidate won a particular state then the people who actually do the voting (the electors?) don't actually have to vote the way their states wanted.

How is that right, it means the election really depends on what those few people want rather than what the country as a whole wants.
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Post by Spindleshanks on Thu Nov 10, 2016 1:58 am

WhoseYourWolfie wrote:
Spindleshanks wrote:

I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?

Arrow

WE have a similar situation down here in Oz...

Not only do you need a majority of the votes in the Lower House down here to make policies into legislation, a party hoping to form guvm'nt also needs to have a majority of seats and a majority of states...

With minor parties and Independents sitting on the "cross benches" a minority gov't (e.g. a party with maybe only 46->48% of the votes), may be able to form gov't if they get enough of the cross-benchers on side, as to give them that effective "fifty per cent plus one vote" ...      


LIKEWISE, over there in the USA, it is the number of "electoral college" wins (i.e. the first candidate to reach 270 electorates..) that delivers a major party the presidency...  

IF it were simply a "popularity vote" then you might see something like Bernie Sanders vs the lady from the Greens vs David Dukes vs Beyonce vs David Letterman..        Razz

So how can it be in the US that the president will have less Democrat? Representation in government than Republican (or whichever way round it is).

Does that not make for a weak, ineffective government?
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I love this one.... Laughing


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Post by Original Quill on Thu Nov 10, 2016 8:54 am

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But where does he get the advisers?  Low-energy Jeb?  McCain, the war loser?  Paul Ryan, who wouldn't back him?  The generals, whom he calls "rubble"?  Even Giuliani will back away when he sees what Trump has in mind for Jews.  

Trump has alienated all of the experienced Republicans.  And his base won't let him bring in establishment types anyway.
The feast has already begun, the meat is fresh, red and wholesome.

Republicans will do exactly as they're told if they wish for a place at the trough, he has already indictated his direction of travel, as various advisors stampede to his side and those that easily bend to his will line up for approval and he'll pick the best and brightest, those who he considers the most beneficial to his cause

"Hedge Funds Run by Trump Advisors Made the Most Money Off His Election Win"

http://fortune.com/2016/11/09/trump-cabinet-carl-icahn-hedge-fund/

Once the clusterfucks mount up, they'll equally feast off his carcas.

There is a third-party movement afoot, scrat.  It's no longer just Democrats and Republicans, but also Trumpsters.  And the Trumpsters just won the presidency.  If Trump starts appointing anyone but outsiders into his cabinet, he will be betraying his own base.

A lot of your assumptions about American politics have to change now, not least of which is that Republicans are just as "out" as Democrats.  Donald successfully ran against all establishment politicos...his base won't let him embrace the establishment now.   Evil or Very Mad   Besides, he's no fonder of "low-energy Jeb" than he is of "crooked Hillary".  Remember, three years ago Donald Trump was a Democrat.  He even invited the Clintons to his wedding.  He might have run on the Republican label this time, but labels mean nothing now.  Steve Banning and the Alt Right are the only party today.  (Here's a visual for you: exactly how well do you think Steve Banning will get along with Paul Ryan when they sit down at the conference table to discuss the military adventure into Syria or the rubble of our generals?)

Half of the Republicans don't want to associate with Trump, and Trump doesn't want to associate with the other half.  Whatever scraps are left, the base will reject soundly.  Trump's most pressing problem right now is how to get talent.  Pee-wee Herman's available. Razz

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Nov 10, 2016 10:46 am

C'mon, guys. We have great reason for an optimistic future: It could have been worse; it could have been Hillary that won.

The past 8 years have been stagnant. We've languished in this economical quagmire and have lost respect of the international community because of Obama's "lead from behind" approach to real issues. Do you really want more of that? Really...?

Put down your ideological/partisan hat. It's easy to point to other people and say, "You're stupid" because of your differences. Have any of you taken the time to explore the other point of view? Have you performed a late introspection to reevaluate your own beliefs, and why it is you subscribe to them?

Some of you here take on the liberal "tribe" mentality -- you believe/say the things you do because it's expected of you (a hardcore liberal) to do so. Any deviation from, or objection to this liberal group-think jeopardizes your "cred" as a liberal. Sounds more like a cult or religion, to me.

Don't get me wrong, the conservatives are pretty fanatical about their inflexibility on issues, as well. Opposing sides that stubbornly refuse to budge from their "expected" group-think to compromise with the other side. I'm always amazed at how willingly some people allow themselves to become led around by the nose, like that. Sheeple.

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Original Quill wrote:

There is a third-party movement afoot, scrat.  It's no longer just Democrats and Republicans, but also Trumpsters.  And the Trumpsters just won the presidency.  If Scrotum starts appointing anyone but outsiders into his cabinet, he will be betraying his own base.

A lot of your assumptions about American politics have to change now, not least of which is that Republicans are just as "out" as Democrats.  Donald successfully ran against all establishment politicos...his base won't let him embrace the establishment now.   Evil or Very Mad   Besides, he's no fonder of "low-energy Jeb" than he is of "crooked Hillary".  Remember, three years ago Donald Scrotum was a Democrat.  He even invited the Clintons to his wedding.  He might have run on the Republican label this time, but labels mean nothing now.  Steve Banning and the Alt Right are the only party today.  (Here's a visual for you: exactly how well do you think Steve Banning will get along with Paul Ryan when they sit down at the conference table to discuss the military adventure into Syria or the rubble of our generals?)

Half of the Republicans don't want to associate with Scrotum, and Scrotum doesn't want to associate with the other half.  Whatever scraps are left, the base will reject soundly.  Scrotum's most pressing problem right now is how to get talent.  Pee-wee Herman's available. Razz
I don't see your third way, I see republicans lining up to kiss the ring of power, Ryan oozed sweaty cringe worthy snivelling because he much like the rest of them know how their bread is buttered, all I've seen so far is the president elect using this transition of power to garner support, he already has his closest advisors, these were in place from July, he will fill the 4000 vacancies with republican yes men, and as the republicans hold both houses, they'll do what they're told for the first 100 days, they'll be a pause to let the dust settle, and then a reshuffling of those who don't make the grade.

He will manipulate them until they figure out a way to manipulate him.

Then you have missed the riots in Manhattan, Oakland, Milwaukee, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, D.C., Portland, Ore., St. Paul, Minn. and several other cities.  This is no ordinary transition.  

First, Hillary won the election, Trump won the Electoral College...always a sore spot.  At a minimum it means that the people protesting are the majority, and they are in the millions.

Second, you are avoiding the cleavage between the Trumpsters and the Republicans.  Can you imagine Ted Cruz working with Trump on immigration, after Trump accused his father of murdering President Kennedy?  How do you think Senator Marco Rubio will feel about deporting 11-million Mexicans?  

On the other hand, how do you think the Trumpsters will feel about bringing in establishment Republican politicians like Paul Ryan to work in their administration?  Wasn't this how Trump got started--I cannot be bought!  What?--but he will just fold voluntarily?  Doubtful his base will let him slide so easily.

But fear not. Trump will not be handled. Between now and January 20th he will have provoked another crisis somewhere, insulted someone, had his taxes leaked, or another Access Hollywood tape will emerge. The chock between Republicans and Trumpsters has not begun to split the log yet. It will be fun to watch.

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Then you have missed the riots in Manhattan, Oakland, Milwaukee, Chicago, Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Boston, Washington, D.C., Portland, Ore., St. Paul, Minn. and several other cities.  This is no ordinary transition.  

First, Hillary won the election, Trump won the Electoral College...always a sore spot.  At a minimum it means that the people protesting are the majority, and they are in the millions.

Second, you are avoiding the cleavage between the Trumpsters and the Republicans.  Can you imagine Ted Cruz working with Trump on immigration, after Trump accused his father of murdering President Kennedy?  How do you think Senator Marco Rubio will feel about deporting 11-million Mexicans?  

On the other hand, how do you think the Trumpsters will feel about bringing in establishment Republican politicians like Paul Ryan to work in their administration?  Wasn't this how Trump got started--I cannot be bought!  What?--but he will just fold voluntarily?  Doubtful his base will let him slide so easily.

But fear not.  Trump will not be handled.  Between now and January 20th he will have provoked another crisis somewhere, insulted someone, had his taxes leaked, or another Access Hollywood tape will emerge.  The chock between Republicans and Trumpsters has not begun to split the log yet.  It will be fun to watch.
Yes we have witnessed the protests, you must remember that Britain is far richer in history and we've had similar protests here, even real riots when the milk snatch came to power, I was at UCL during the London riots of 1981, it's not like the Michigan militia have overrun Camp Grayling and are armed heading for DC, it will no doubt be put down or fizzle out.

And you cannot lecture us on democracy if you condone these acts, the merkin people voted trump, last time I looked there was only a couple of hundred thousand votes in it, hardly shocking, you'll just have to take it on the chin and work through the process.

We'll see.  The merkin people didn't vote for Trump, the electoral college did.  I'm just predicting that the same people who didn't vote for him, will work to assure that Donald Trump's presidency is a failure.  I'm even thinking impeachment before the first term is up. Republicans hold long, strong grudges.

Congress enacts laws, the president just follows orders.  The split between the Republicans and the Trumpsters is too great, I predict.  The deadlock will continue, fortunately this time.  

The split between the people and the establishment politicians will be a little longer term and may have greater consequences.

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Post by veya_victaous on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:25 pm

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veya_victaous wrote:
Spindleshanks wrote:

I don't think I'll ever understand the US voting mechanism.

How can Clinton have got a bigger share of the votes yet Trump wins?

because like our own nations it is determined by the number of seats won not votes.

Many rural seats have low popuations distrubted over larger areas, while cities have more people in each seat but smaller areas.
if it were purely on votes the decisions and policies would all be directed at the cities as you can get more votes covering a smaller geographic area, which is cheaper and quicker than trying to find that many people in a rural areas.

If its about seats it shouldn't matter if there is 300 or 300,000 voting, the candidate with the majority vote wins.

The problem as I see it in the US is that even if a candidate won a particular state then the people who actually do the voting (the electors?) don't actually have to vote the way their states wanted.

How is that right, it means the election really depends on what those few people want rather than what the country as a whole wants.

umm no
because some seats only have 10,000 people others have 100,000 people.
both seats are worth equal amount even though one has 10 times the amount of people.

No parliment with seats or regional represenetiaves is won by popular vote. Each seat is won by popular vote but the total number of votes nationally never comes into it.

thsi is what happened in the USA. Cities tended to vote for Hillary and Rural areas voted Trump.

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 10, 2016 2:56 pm

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Map of German Election 1933. There was gloating there as well. The people didn't protest and just accepted the result. That didn't end well.



The American people won't be so accepting of this one and thank heaven's for that.

Gloat away - you may regret it.

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Nov 10, 2016 3:22 pm

Irn, why is the left *always* comparing [enter someone they don't like here] to Hitler?  Why does it always have to go there?  It makes it impossible to have a rational discussion when everything from broccoli to Bush are compared to Hitler and WWII Germany.

Remember the Trump rallies?  Remember all the violence at those rallies?
They were DNC-hired operatives.  They were paid protesters who were there to foment hate and violence.  I've not heard of Trump hiring people to harass Hillary supporters.  Have you??
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/23/exclusive-san-jose-trump-rally-violence-paid-protesters-threw-eggs/

Corruption is a cancer that is all throughout the Democratic party.  I don't know how some of you can continue calling the Democrat party your own.  Especially after Sanders got shafted by the rigging of the primaries.  Shultz had to step down from DNC Chair because it was shown she had worked to ensure Clinton's party nomination.  The DNC is supposed to be neutral during the primaries... but they weren't.  The entire Democratic party's primary is a facade.  The next nominee will pre-selected in backroom deals, as was the Clinton nomination this year.  The people have no say in who they choose --- the delegates are the Democratic party's "fail-safe" against an undesirable contender from getting the nomination.  Just look at what happened to Bernie.  People wanted him... but the Democratic leaders felt they knew better, and buttered up the delegates to vote their way.  Delegates give party leaders VETO power over the will of the people.  Makes the name "Democratic" Party seem like an ironic oxymoron, huh?

Hitler and his fascist party wanted to hold power and keep it away from the people, too. THAT sounds more like suppression and oppression, to me.

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If they didn't have double standards then they wouldn't have any standards at all...



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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:10 pm

L0RD Independent Thoughts wrote:Irn, why is the left *always* comparing [enter someone they don't like here] to Hitler?  Why does it always have to go there?  It makes it impossible to have a rational discussion when everything from broccoli to Bush are compared to Hitler and WWII Germany.

Remember the Trump rallies?  Remember all the violence at those rallies?
They were DNC-hired operatives.  They were paid protesters who were there to foment hate and violence.  I've not heard of Trump hiring people to harass Hillary supporters.  Have you??
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2016/10/23/exclusive-san-jose-trump-rally-violence-paid-protesters-threw-eggs/

Corruption is a cancer that is all throughout the Democratic party.  I don't know how some of you can continue calling the Democrat party your own.  Especially after Sanders got shafted by the rigging of the primaries.  Shultz had to step down from DNC Chair because it was shown she had worked to ensure Clinton's party nomination.  The DNC is supposed to be neutral during the primaries... but they weren't.  The entire Democratic party's primary is a facade.  The next nominee will pre-selected in backroom deals, as was the Clinton nomination this year.  The people have no say in who they choose --- the delegates are the Democratic party's "fail-safe" against an undesirable contender from getting the nomination.  Just look at what happened to Bernie.  People wanted him... but the Democratic leaders felt they knew better, and buttered up the delegates to vote their way.  Delegates give party leaders VETO power over the will of the people.  Makes the name "Democratic" Party seem like an ironic oxymoron, huh?

Hitler and his fascist party wanted to hold power and keep it away from the people, too.  THAT sounds more like suppression and oppression, to me.

Well back in 1933 no-one knew what Hitler would be like and what would eventually happen. He encouraged the type of people that wanted make Germany great again and take back their country. His policies ended up as discrimatory and divisive against people that didn't fit the bill as he saw them.

The comparison is made against what Hitler was like in 1933 not how he eventually turned out like. The direction of travel in the USA with the likes of the KKK holding victory marches doesn't auger well for the future of the non-white population.

I'm just glad that people are on the streets making it known that they don't like Trump's policies one little bit and you should be glad as well.

Gloat away.

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Post by Independent Thoughts on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:27 pm

The KKK is a joke.  They're desperate to get a morsel of fame, so they jump on the Trump train and stir controversy to get attention.  Who's to say they wouldn't have done that, had Hillary won?  Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK and a longtime Democrat.  Hillary knew this and still referred to him as her "friend and mentor".
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/25/hillary-clinton-friend-mentor-robert-byrd-kkk/



See the difference?

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Post by Irn Bru on Thu Nov 10, 2016 4:53 pm

L0RD Independent Thoughts wrote:The KKK is a joke.  They're desperate to get a morsel of fame, so they jump on the Trump train and stir controversy to get attention.  Who's to say they wouldn't have done that, had Hillary won?  Senator Byrd was a member of the KKK and a longtime Democrat.  Hillary knew this an still referred to him as her "friend and mentor".
http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/08/25/hillary-clinton-friend-mentor-robert-byrd-kkk/

See the difference?

You can't control what others may think of or say of you.  But you can control what you think and say.

The KKK may have been a joke but with Trump in they believe there is a new dawn for them. It's on their website. But they are just one element in Trumps America because there's more.

Tell me, was your hatred of Clinton and the establishment so great that you would support the statements he made during the election about Mexican's and the Muslim's etc. and the policies of discrimination and division that he intends to put in place to make America great again? And add to that his behaviour towards women clearly captured on film as well as all the corruption he is involved in as well.

Here....Day one in Trump's America

https://twitter.com/i/moments/796417517157830656

Instead of gloating you should be glad people are protesting about this dissgraceful man.

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