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Post by Raggamuffin on Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:35 pm

Lord Foul wrote:if they chased down all the scummy buggers who practice the vile "tax avoidance" and made em pay the propper amount the gains would likely be 10x the cost of benefits....

whilst not illegal tax avoidance is more immoral than prostitution

Maybe people would be more willing to pay tax if it was put to good use. People getting £20,000 in benefits don't pay any tax ...

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:37 pm

people wouldnt have a choice if the law was made sufficiently strict and properly enforced.....

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Post by Angry Andy on Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:38 pm

They have the same problem in America , but on a grander scale.
Trump wants people to pay their taxes.
But he pays none himself.

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:41 pm

Handy Andy wrote:They have the same problem in America , but on a grander scale.
Trump wants people to pay their taxes.
But he pays none himself.

The very rich pay far less as a proportion of their income than the poor - it's time to crack down on fiddlers and scroungers.

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 7:42 pm

Lord Foul wrote:people wouldnt have a choice if the law was made sufficiently strict and properly enforced.....

Quite so - lawlessness is for cowboys and criminals.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:14 pm

Ziz wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:No... less immigration is the solution...



Can't be - less immigration does not mean more homes - the problem is now, not tomorrow. Now if more people were to die of cold this winter....


Less means less demand.

We need to stop adding to the problems by reducing numbers coming in!



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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:18 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Can't be - less immigration does not mean more homes - the problem is now, not tomorrow. Now if more people were to die of cold this winter....


Less means less demand.

We need to stop adding to the problems by reducing numbers coming in!



We need more homes now - irrespective of future demand.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:25 pm


When your house is flooding from a leak... you turn off the water first... then sort out the water that has already flooded in...


Then you fix the leak so you don't just start getting flooded again when you turn the water back on...



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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:28 pm



But when you have tens of thousands in substandard housing or none at all you build new homes.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:35 pm

You can't clear flood water from your home while the water is still flooding in... and all you have is a collander...!



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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:37 pm

Bricks & mortar build new homes, colanders don't hack it.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:54 pm

You can't lay bricks in the wet...

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Nov 08, 2016 8:56 pm

BUT...You CAN pour concrete

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Re: Tory Benefit Cap

Post by WhoseYourWolfie on Tue Nov 08, 2016 9:17 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
if they chased down all the scummy buggers who practice the vile "tax avoidance" and made em pay the propper amount the gains would likely be 10x the cost of benefits....

whilst not illegal tax avoidance is more immoral than prostitution

Idea

TAX EVASION (i.e. dodging taxes altogether..) is both immoral and criminal, though...

Successive gov'ts through the 20th century have been re-classifying various tax evasion and avoidance stategies to look llke genuine tax minimisation, often to profit their own big business sponsors, family members and,friends..

As several of us have pointed out on here over the last couple of years  --   if only our guvm'nts would do the right thing, and close those loopholes allowing so many millionaires and corporations to get away with paying very little tax in reality --   then there would be plenty of extra to cover the impending shortfalls in welfare, health and education spending.      

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:22 pm

[quote="Tommy Monk"]But sadly... labour opened up the taps on mass immigration from 1997... and mord houses were built under one year of Thatcher than under the whole total 13 years of labour...


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-should-apologise-for-social-housing-failure-8932797.html


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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:24 pm

Irn Bru wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:But sadly... labour opened up the taps on mass immigration from 1997... and mord houses were built under one year of Thatcher than under the whole total 13 years of labour...


http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/labour-should-apologise-for-social-housing-failure-8932797.html


It's nice to show the whole picture after Thatcher systematically destroyed the social housing system by banning councils from using the money raised from council house sales to build new homes to replace those sold.

Facts...

https://fullfact.org/economy/who-built-more-council-houses-margaret-thatcher-or-new-labour/

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:29 pm



No... that was about getting some councils to balance their books...


And still more housing built under one year of Thatcher than on the whole 13 years of labour...!!!


Thatcher did not prevent labour govt...

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:31 pm

More council houses is the assertion in your link - not more houses.

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:34 pm

Yes I know...

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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:35 pm

the point however is this...

whenthey got into power, did the subsequent labour govt REVERSE thatchers policies vis council house building....

did they hell....they encouraged "housing associations" with its obvious extra layers of parasites, and private landlords



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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:36 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:Yes I know...

You appeared not to know by misquoting - but I'm hth.

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:37 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:

No... that was about getting some councils to balance their books...


And still more housing built under one year of Thatcher than on the whole 13 years of labour...!!!


Thatcher did not prevent labour govt...

Wrong - read the data

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Post by Guest on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:37 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the point however is this...

whenthey got into power, did the subsequent labour govt REVERSE thatchers policies vis council house building....

did they hell....they encouraged  "housing associations" with its obvious extra layers of parasites, and private landlords


That's New Labour for you. Rolling Eyes

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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:40 pm

Lord Foul wrote:the point however is this...

whenthey got into power, did the subsequent labour govt REVERSE thatchers policies vis council house building....

did they hell....they encouraged  "housing associations" with its obvious extra layers of parasites, and private landlords



Should they have changed the law because Thatcher's ban was law. And should they have re-purchased all the houses already sold - just to be fair?

Balir reduced the discounts availabe to try and dry up the sales.


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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:43 pm


The article is clear!



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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:45 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:
The article is clear!



I know Laughing

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Post by Tommy Monk on Tue Nov 08, 2016 10:50 pm




From the Standard article...


"...At a conference organised by think tank the Centre for Labour and Social Studies, Mr Copley spoke about his role as Labour’s housing spokesman on the London Assembly.

He said: “As a Labour politician one of the things that really galls me is that there’s this statistic that more council homes were built in the last year of Thatcher’s government than were built in the 13 years of Labour government, and that’s something I think as a Labour Party we need to apologise for.” Official figures show only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone, which was Baroness Thatcher’s final year as prime minister. In one Labour year, 2004, the number fell to just 130 council homes completed..."



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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:07 pm

eddie wrote:
Major wrote:If ya cannot face the truth then explain the truth as you see it.

It is not mandatory to become pregnant and expect me to pay for anyones lust, lack of intelligence and decency, have you heard of CONDOMS and THE PILL?

I believe some who WILL NOT SEE are more than likely to be raiding the benefit system.

Open thine eyes/

You do realise that a lot of pregnancies are planned and then things can simply go wrong?

You know, people these days just don't make the effort. Marriages/relationships don't just stroll along on their own and when you choose to bring a life into the world you have certain responsibilities that should not be shunned. What amazes me in this day and age is that it's so easy to marry/divorce/cheat on each other and yet all that free contraception and they keep having kids they can't afford or commit fully to. All those feckless men should be made to pay for each and every child they spawn.
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Post by Irn Bru on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:10 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:


From the Standard article...


"...At a conference organised by think tank the Centre for Labour and Social Studies, Mr Copley spoke about his role as Labour’s housing spokesman on the London Assembly.

He said: “As a Labour politician one of the things that really galls me is that there’s this statistic that more council homes were built in the last year of Thatcher’s government than were built in the 13 years of Labour government, and that’s something I think as a Labour Party we need to apologise for.” Official figures show only 6,330 council houses were completed from 1998 to 2010, compared with 17,710 in 1990 alone, which was Baroness Thatcher’s final year as prime minister. In one Labour year, 2004, the number fell to just 130 council homes completed..."



Read the FACT link I gave you - about House Building

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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:14 pm

eddie wrote:Yes it's what I keep being told....I am rather using up money I shouldn't be.
I have a couple of little ideas up my sleeve though to make money.

What about the father? Why doesn't he cough up?
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:16 pm

Syl wrote:
eddie wrote:

Yes I do keep getting told to seek help but...I like to do things my way.
I guess I should seek help at some point.

Having pride is a great thing to have Eddie, but I agree with Ziz.
Rather than use up your savings accept financial help whilst you need it....you and your OH have paid into a system in the past and that system  is designed to help people....so find out what you are entitled to and accept it.

You don't get full benefits if you have savings over £6k
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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:16 pm

HoratioTarr wrote:
eddie wrote:
Major wrote:If ya cannot face the truth then explain the truth as you see it.

It is not mandatory to become pregnant and expect me to pay for anyones lust, lack of intelligence and decency, have you heard of CONDOMS and THE PILL?

I believe some who WILL NOT SEE are more than likely to be raiding the benefit system.

Open thine eyes/

You do realise that a lot of pregnancies are planned and then things can simply go wrong?

You know, people these days just don't make the effort.    Marriages/relationships don't just stroll along on their own and when you choose to bring a life into the world you have certain responsibilities that should not be shunned.  What amazes me in this day and age is that it's so easy to marry/divorce/cheat on each other and yet all that free contraception and they keep having kids they can't afford or commit fully to.   All those feckless men should be made to pay for each and every child they spawn.
and all those feckless women, who should learn to keep their legs together.....
as soon as issues like this raise their heads out come the "all men are monsters" brigade in full cry.....as said elsewhere...it takes two to tango.....

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Post by Spindleshanks on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:17 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:No idea, can they?

I don't know.

They wouldn't need them if housing costs weren't so high - they would get to keep more of the income that they actually earned instead of expecting others to pay for them.

If they can't, it's absurd for people to bleat on about only getting £345 per week in benefits or whatever, and moaning that they actually have to pay something towards the rent.

Generally though, those people people with children will have higher housing costs and living costs because they have a family to keep and will need a larger house than someone who lives on their own with no kids.

A one bedroom flat for your single working person, depending on where they live might set them back for example £500 per month, whereas a 3 bedroom house could be somewhere in the region of £800.

This would mean your single person having about £600 per month left to pay whatever else they need to pay and only have themselves to keep whereas your single mother with kids on £345 per week would have £580 but she has kids to keep too.









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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:20 pm

Syl wrote:No doubt you will be shouted down for bringing different races into this but.....it's rarer than hens teeth to see a young Asian girl with several children and no husband.
Yes the men spread themselves about....(often with underage white girls, but that's another matter) but the girls do not.

I have an Asian friend who has 4 kids and found out recently her husband had been cheating on her for 2 years with a Western woman. She's gutted. It caused an absolute familial stink. But.. there's not even a chance he'll leave her, or divorce. Their community and culture frowns on it. He's expected to stay put and she's expected to forgive him. In other words, they have to get on with it. Different family values.
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Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:27 pm

Lord Foul wrote:
HoratioTarr wrote:

You know, people these days just don't make the effort.    Marriages/relationships don't just stroll along on their own and when you choose to bring a life into the world you have certain responsibilities that should not be shunned.  What amazes me in this day and age is that it's so easy to marry/divorce/cheat on each other and yet all that free contraception and they keep having kids they can't afford or commit fully to.   All those feckless men should be made to pay for each and every child they spawn.
and all those feckless women, who should learn to keep their legs together.....
as soon as issues like this raise their heads out come the "all men are monsters" brigade in full cry.....as said elsewhere...it takes two to tango.....

Calm down, you'll bust your truss!
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Post by Lord Foul on Tue Nov 08, 2016 11:31 pm

I suppose you burned your bra Rolling Eyes

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Post by nicko on Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:12 am

H/T, I thought it was £16,000?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 09, 2016 7:34 am

Spindleshanks wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:

I don't know.

They wouldn't need them if housing costs weren't so high - they would get to keep more of the income that they actually earned instead of expecting others to pay for them.

If they can't, it's absurd for people to bleat on about only getting £345 per week in benefits or whatever, and moaning that they actually have to pay something towards the rent.

Generally though, those people people with children will have higher housing costs and living costs because they have a family to keep and will need a larger house than someone who lives on their own with no kids.

A one bedroom flat for your single working person, depending on where they live might set them back for example £500 per month, whereas a 3 bedroom house could be somewhere in the region of £800.  

This would mean your single person having about £600 per month left to pay whatever else they need to pay and only have themselves to keep whereas your single mother with kids on £345 per week would have £580 but she has kids to keep too.










I would say the flat would cost more than that, and why should they have to live in a flat anyway? Also, they have to pay council tax and travel costs.

The point is that they earned the money by working, so they should have more disposable income, but it's not much more is it?

A person under 25 would earn even less than that.

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Post by Spindleshanks on Wed Nov 09, 2016 9:52 am

Raggamuffin wrote:
Spindleshanks wrote:

Generally though, those people people with children will have higher housing costs and living costs because they have a family to keep and will need a larger house than someone who lives on their own with no kids.

A one bedroom flat for your single working person, depending on where they live might set them back for example £500 per month, whereas a 3 bedroom house could be somewhere in the region of £800.  

This would mean your single person having about £600 per month left to pay whatever else they need to pay and only have themselves to keep whereas your single mother with kids on £345 per week would have £580 but she has kids to keep too.










I would say the flat would cost more than that, and why should they have to live in a flat anyway? Also, they have to pay council tax and travel costs.  

The point is that they earned the money by working, so they should have more disposable income, but it's not much more is it?

A person under 25 would earn even less than that.

Like I said, it depends on where they live. A flat in London will be way more than that, in other parts of the country flats can be easily found much closer to that, some even below £400 per month in the north of the country.

They do have more disposable income, they only have themself to keep which means any money they earn after paying the usual is theirs.
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Post by Tommy Monk on Wed Nov 09, 2016 12:02 pm

A one bed flat near me is around £900-1000 a month to rent...

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Post by Spindleshanks on Wed Nov 09, 2016 2:08 pm

Tommy Monk wrote:A one bed flat near me is around £900-1000 a month to rent...

Which is why i said it depends where a person lives.

Not everyone lives in or near London or bigger cities where housing is invariably more expensive.
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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:24 pm

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I would say the flat would cost more than that, and why should they have to live in a flat anyway? Also, they have to pay council tax and travel costs.  

The point is that they earned the money by working, so they should have more disposable income, but it's not much more is it?

A person under 25 would earn even less than that.

Like I said, it depends on where they live.  A flat in London will be way more than that, in other parts of the country flats can be easily found much closer to that, some even below £400 per month in the north of the country.

They do have more disposable income, they only have themself to keep which means any money they earn after paying the usual is theirs.  

So you think they should move somewhere cheaper and leave their job, or travel further and pay more in travel costs? Why can't the person on benefits move somewhere cheaper? What if the working person wants a garden? They should be able to have one as they work hard, right?

You said about £600 per month left over. That's not much is it? They have to pay council tax, bills, transport, food etc, before they have anything left to enjoy themselves after working all week. Why should they scrape by when they have to work all week whilst someone on benefits can do nothing and get almost as much? Effort should be rewarded IMO.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:27 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:
Tommy Monk wrote:A one bed flat near me is around £900-1000 a month to rent...

Which is why i said it depends where a person lives.

Not everyone lives in or near London or bigger cities where housing is invariably more expensive.

Anyway, the exact cost isn't really the issue is it? The point is that they're not benefiting much financially from working five days a week compared to a person who does sod all. That's just not right IMO.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:32 pm

Caring for a family is not sod all.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:36 pm

Ziz wrote:Caring for a family is not sod all.

It's a lifestyle choice. Most people have to have a job otherwise they can't live.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:40 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:Caring for a family is not sod all.

It's a lifestyle choice. Most people have to have a job otherwise they can't live.

Raising children benefits society - we need young people to support the old - saves importing immigrants too.

And caring for a family is not doing sod all.

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Post by Syl on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:45 pm

Ziz wrote:
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It's a lifestyle choice. Most people have to have a job otherwise they can't live.

Raising children benefits society - we need young people to support the old - saves importing immigrants too.

And caring for a family is not doing sod all.

Caring for a family is certainly a worthwhile 'job'.
The old fashioned way was that women had babies and brought them up and men worked to provide.
Times changed and both parents worked and hired child minders.
Now some people expect the state (ie you and me) to raise their children....something went wrong somewhere.

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Post by Guest on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:46 pm

Syl wrote:
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Raising children benefits society - we need young people to support the old - saves importing immigrants too.

And caring for a family is not doing sod all.

Caring for a family is certainly a worthwhile 'job'.
The old fashioned way was that women had babies and brought them up and men worked to provide.
Times changed and both parents worked and hired child minders.
Now some people expect the state (ie you and me) to raise their children....something went wrong somewhere.

Cant let the children suffer, Syl, no matter what the changes, they have no choices.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Wed Nov 09, 2016 6:46 pm

Those who work and earn money should always be much better off than those who don't. They have to do as they're told, they can't just sit around deciding if they're going to to any housework or pay any attention to their kid.

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