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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:09 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Most of us just want an end to hate.

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Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:11 pm

Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by sassy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.


Why, are you so limited that you can't love more than one place?   And I know many people who couldn't wait to get away from the village they grew up in.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:12 pm

Ziz wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Most of us just want an end to hate.

You should stop hating those who disagree with you then.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:12 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
Ziz wrote:

Most of us just want an end to hate.

You should stop hating those who disagree with you then.

I hate no-one.

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:13 pm

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you


You think you have to love your country to love yourself?   So, if you lived in the middle of a desert and wanted to leave, you wouldn't love yourself?

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:13 pm

sassy wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.


Why, are you so limited that you can't love more than one place?   And I know many people who couldn't wait to get away from the village they grew up in.

It's unreasonable to expect people to love a place they've never been to. You stood for election. Did you give a toss about the actual area and the people in it?

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:14 pm

Anyway, hair appnt so got to go.

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:14 pm

Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you

You can love whatever you want. scratch

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Post by sassy on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:14 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
sassy wrote:


Why, are you so limited that you can't love more than one place?   And I know many people who couldn't wait to get away from the village they grew up in.

It's unreasonable to expect people to love a place they've never been to. You stood for election. Did you give a toss about the actual area and the people in it?


In which case, perhaps we should have free travel so that everyone can go everywhere and love it all.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:17 pm

sassy wrote:
Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you


You think you have to love your country to love yourself?   So, if you lived in the middle of a desert and wanted to leave, you wouldn't love yourself?

Your country includes your history, your family, your culture, which is all part of you.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by eddie on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:18 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Hmmmm. I have to grow to like or love a place. I'm not very patriotic anyway, And I also know that if I found myself living in another town or even country, I could love there as much as I love here.
Places don't make you who you are necessarily and like sassy has said, I simply feel as though I belong to the planet, not the country I was born in because my mum happened to give birth there.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:20 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you

You can love whatever you want. scratch

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:21 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

You can love whatever you want. scratch

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by eddie on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:22 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

You can love whatever you want. scratch

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:22 pm

sassy wrote:
Syl wrote:Why should you not love your country?
You may not always agree with the politicians and authorities who make the decisions that effect it, but it's part of your heritage so part of you.
If you don't love yourself you don't have much hope of loving anyone else. I love you


You think you have to love your country to love yourself?   So, if you lived in the middle of a desert and wanted to leave, you wouldn't love yourself?

Who said you had to stay in the place you came from?
You can go anywhere you choose in the world....love expands.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:24 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Yes you can....but it helps if you love yourself and what you are to begin with.

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

Do you?....your posts often give the other impression.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:27 pm

eddie wrote:
Raggamuffin wrote:It's a bit silly to expect people to love other countries as much as their own. That's like telling someone it's wrong to love the town/village they grew up in.

Hmmmm. I have to grow to like or love a place. I'm not very patriotic anyway, And I also know that if I found myself living in another town or even country, I could love there as much as I love here.
Places don't make you who you are necessarily and like sassy has said, I simply feel as though I belong to the planet, not the country I was born in because my mum happened to give birth there.

I disagree. It's nothing to do with being born here, it's to do with growing up here. As I said, is it wrong to love the town or village you grew up in?

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:27 pm

Syl wrote:
Ziz wrote:

I love others before myself - I find that works better.

Do you?....your posts often give the other impression.

Yes I do - but I post on my days off. Smile

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Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:29 pm

Ziz wrote:
Syl wrote:

Do you?....your posts often give the other impression.

Yes I do - but I post on my days off. Smile

You must have a lot of 'off' days then. Razz

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by nicko on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:30 pm

What's wrong with loving your Country? I'm 75 years old and apart from a few things i'v disagreed with it's treated me well.

There are a few on here who are ashamed to be British, the obvious one is Sassy who admitted it.
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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Syl on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:32 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
eddie wrote:

Hmmmm. I have to grow to like or love a place. I'm not very patriotic anyway, And I also know that if I found myself living in another town or even country, I could love there as much as I love here.
Places don't make you who you are necessarily and like sassy has said, I simply feel as though I belong to the planet, not the country I was born in because my mum happened to give birth there.

I disagree. It's nothing to do with being born here, it's to do with growing up here. As I said, is it wrong to love the town or village you grew up in?

Is it heck.....even if you leave it's still part of your heritage.

If you don't like or accept that about yourself I personally feel you have something sad within yourself.

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Post by eddie on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:48 pm

I love where I live as to whether I love my country...what does that even mean?

I don't have any feelings whatsoever about the Royals, I don't watch any V-Day celebrations, I love the underground with a passion, (no idea why, something about the tunnels I guess), I love each and every season, I support English football but move on very quickly if (when!) they lose and don't actually die about it, I love our museums but I love all museums and pretty much try and visit them in every country I go to if possible, we have beautiful architecture but it's not a patch on Paris, I like our language but I like all languages, our food is mostly crap and so is the service we receive....our transport is pretty okay and the NHS is fantastically brilliant.

What have I left off?

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:51 pm

I love...
My wife
My offspring
My dogs
Cumbria
Scotland
Bits of Africa
Melton Mowbray pork pies...

completely unashamedly. I love you

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 1:54 pm

eddie wrote:I love where I live as to whether I love my country...what does that even mean?

I don't have any feelings whatsoever about the Royals, I don't watch any V-Day celebrations, I love the underground with a passion, (no idea why, something about the tunnels I guess),  I love each and every season, I support English football but move on very quickly if (when!) they lose and don't actually die about it, I love our museums but I love all museums and pretty much try and visit them in every country I go to if possible, we have beautiful architecture but it's not a patch on Paris, I like our language but I like all languages, our food is mostly crap and so is the service we receive....our transport is pretty okay and the NHS is fantastically brilliant.

What have I left off?

The point is that Sassy said that loving your country was down to "backward thinking". It doesn't matter whether you love it or not, it's not for her to call anyone who loves it "backward".

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Post by magica on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:17 pm

Ziz wrote:I love...
My wife
My offspring
My dogs
Cumbria
Scotland
Bits of Africa
Melton Mowbray pork pies...

completely unashamedly. I love you

Oh so you can love Scotland but we cant love England .... go figure Rolling Eyes

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magica wrote:
Ziz wrote:I love...
My wife
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My dogs
Cumbria
Scotland
Bits of Africa
Melton Mowbray pork pies...

completely unashamedly. I love you

Oh so you can love Scotland but we cant love England .... go figure  Rolling Eyes

Cumbria is in England and I consider Scotland as the land of my heritage. scratch

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Post by nicko on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:33 pm

ZiZ, do you know Appleby?, I was born there.
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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 2:36 pm

nicko wrote:ZiZ,   do you know Appleby?,  I was born there.

That's where they have the horse fair. I don't know it well but I've been there once or twice. You are fortunate to be born a Cumbrian, by and large I've found them to be fine people.

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Post by nicko on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:00 pm

Well, my parents left there when I was 6, does that still count?
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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:17 pm

Major wrote:
sassy wrote:Anyway, hair appnt so got to go.


How much do you get paid for allowing them to do that granny style, is it a disguise???????

I thought you were hiding in ROOM 101.

Don't mention Room 101! Shocked

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:45 pm

nicko wrote:Well, my parents left there when I was 6,   does that still count?

Have you not been back since - many places are still unspoilt?

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:48 pm

I know Cumbria a bit - Ulverston to be precise. A lovely place.

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 4:53 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:I know Cumbria a bit - Ulverston to be precise. A lovely place.

Yes, Ulverston is pleasant, Stan Laurel's birthplace - we attend concerts at the Coro there. But Cumbria has so much more, and much the tourists know little about

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Post by Jules on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:33 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Major, if you have complaints, please address them to admins via PM rather than starting all these threads about them. Muchas gracias.

Well I'm glad you have issued clear istructions, Ben. It means an end to being bombarded with a plethora of threads criticising the mods and members. relieved


It's the extreme irony of this thread that knocks me sideways. The author is telling people NOT to post bile, but then he himself packs it with more bile within one post, than I have ever seen.

Or is it some sort of twisted irony thread that goes over my head completely??? scratch

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Post by Jules on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:43 pm

In just one post, there was this much bile, posted by the author. > >


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Post by Jules on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:51 pm

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Yes, Ulverston is pleasant, Stan Laurel's birthplace - we attend concerts at the Coro there. But Cumbria has so much more, and much the tourists know little about

I've worked in Cumbria, in barrow-in-furness.  You could go to the beach straight after work. hi fiesta  My stint there did not seem like work at all, I felt very spoilt indeed, kept thinking "Am I  actually being paid for this lifestyle??". We subsequently returned a few times, on holiday.

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Jules wrote:
Ziz wrote:
Yes, Ulverston is pleasant, Stan Laurel's birthplace - we attend concerts at the Coro there. But Cumbria has so much more, and much the tourists know little about

I've worked in Cumbria, in barrow-in-furness.  You could go to the beach straight after work.  My stint there did not seem like work at all, I felt very spoilt indeed, kept thinking "Am I  actually being paid for this lifestyle??". We subsequently returned a few times, on holiday.

Just in Cumbria, formerly Lancs, but you're forgiven. Smile

Walney Island is the best thing about Barrow - though some of the surrounding countryside (north-eastwards) is gorgeous.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Fri Nov 04, 2016 5:56 pm

Ben Reilly wrote:Major, if you have complaints, please address them to admins via PM rather than starting all these threads about them. Muchas gracias.

I was under the impression that the mods don't like PMs which are complaining about something.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:00 pm

Jules wrote:In just one post, there was this much bile, posted by the author. > >


benefit scrounguz
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hire purchase lappiz
higher breed  
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guttersnipes
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foul language
HT, try to better yourself





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Never seen this much bile in my life and that includes the time my poor mum accidentally nicked the gall bladder of a cock she was gutting! (In those days you had to pluck and gut and joint the bird yourself. ) . Poor mum, the bile spilled everywhere and tainted all the meat, the meal was inedible.
lol! lol! lol!

Okay, I can decipher most of them. but what are muntuz & minguz - jazz musicians?  scratch

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Post by Jules on Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:08 pm

"muntuz & minguz?? " no idea ziz, but it doesn't sound very nice.



Ziz wrote:
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I've worked in Cumbria, in barrow-in-furness.  You could go to the beach straight after work.  My stint there did not seem like work at all, I felt very spoilt indeed, kept thinking "Am I  actually being paid for this lifestyle??". We subsequently returned a few times, on holiday.

Just in Cumbria, formerly Lancs, but you're forgiven.  Smile

Walney Island is the best thing about Barrow - though some of the surrounding countryside (north-eastwards) is gorgeous.

Barrovians definitely have traces of a Lancs accent.
And the locals kept saying "right you are" to me, instead of ''OK''.  Laughing
Not surprised Cumbria ''annexed'' a nice town like Barrow.
Many of my colleagues were scottish, ... bet the scots would have liked to claim the town for themselves too, who could blame them?

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Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 6:28 pm

Jules wrote:"muntuz & minguz?? "   no idea ziz, but it doesn't sound very nice.



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Just in Cumbria, formerly Lancs, but you're forgiven.  Smile

Walney Island is the best thing about Barrow - though some of the surrounding countryside (north-eastwards) is gorgeous.

Barrovians definitely have traces of a Lancs accent.
And the locals kept saying "right you are" to me, instead of ''OK''.  Laughing
Not surprised Cumbria ''annexed'' a nice town like Barrow.
Many of my colleagues were scottish, ... bet the scots would have liked to claim the town for themselves too, who could blame them?

Cumbria spent many years as part of Scotland - perhaps one day we'll get lucky and it will be so again.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Spindleshanks on Fri Nov 04, 2016 7:58 pm

Ziz wrote:
Jules wrote:In just one post, there was this much bile, posted by the author. > >


benefit scrounguz
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hire purchase lappiz
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muntuz
minguz
tripehoundz
guttersnipes
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Hello?? What a Face Shocked
Never seen this much bile in my life and that includes the time my poor mum accidentally nicked the gall bladder of a cock she was gutting! (In those days you had to pluck and gut and joint the bird yourself. ) . Poor mum, the bile spilled everywhere and tainted all the meat, the meal was inedible.
lol! lol! lol!

Okay, I can decipher most of them. but what are muntuz & minguz - jazz musicians?  scratch

Munters and mingers.

Unattractive, slovenly, indolent etc

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by Guest on Fri Nov 04, 2016 8:04 pm

Spindleshanks wrote:
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Okay, I can decipher most of them. but what are muntuz & minguz - jazz musicians?  scratch

Munters and mingers.

Unattractive, slovenly, indolent etc


Shame, they sound better as jazz musicians. Smile

Thanks.

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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by HoratioTarr on Tue Nov 22, 2016 9:22 pm

Major wrote:
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Go fuck yourself.

This proves my thread, told ya so.

It has worsened since I posted this.

Double go fuck yourself.
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Re: Can We Debate Without Bile & Derailment

Post by sassy on Wed Nov 23, 2016 11:50 am

I doubt if you can do it to yourself but then again you probably have a queue of mohammed friends to help you.




And Major again proves that he is the worst lol.   What a complete idiot, I've trod on worms with more intelligence.

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