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Post by Original Quill on Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:12 pm

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Monkey boy!,,,,,fuckin classic and that's why I was banned Smile , again!

Calling black people apes is disgusting many black people are wearing our flag and fighting on the ruddy line for Queen and country, I would remove British citizenship from racist filth, if they cannot act in a civilised manner intern them, they disgrace this beautiful island!

OK...I don't know you or why you were banned (or from where) I do know someone used to be named 'Monkeyboy' on forums and he didn't find it funny......obviously you find that name amusing, yet you find other names disgusting....not sure how that works tbh, an insult is an insult.

Surely if people feel they have the right to be outraged at certain insults they should be careful of the insults they themselves throw around.

We all make arbitrary choices about words.  Look at this forum...watch how "geranium" (cunt, for those not in the know) is banned, but dickhead is like, meh.     If that makes sense, I'd like to have someone explain it to me.

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Post by Syl on Sun Oct 30, 2016 8:16 pm

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If the forum that was reported by someone was 'Inaflap'....it seems to have gone, so whoever did report it, be it for a genuine reason or a petty grudge, it's worked....at least for the time being.

It looks like a technical error.

Happily it was just that Rags...it's back.

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OK...I don't know you or why you were banned (or from where) I do know someone used to be named 'Monkeyboy' on forums and he didn't find it funny......obviously you find that name amusing, yet you find other names disgusting....not sure how that works tbh, an insult is an insult.

Surely if people feel they have the right to be outraged at certain insults they should be careful of the insults they themselves throw around.

We all make arbitrary choices about words.  Look at this forum...watch how "geranium" (cunt, for those not in the know) is banned, but dickhead is like, meh.     If that makes sense, I'd like to have someone explain it to me.

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We all make arbitrary choices about words.  Look at this forum...watch how "geranium" (cunt, for those not in the know) is banned, but dickhead is like, meh.     If that makes sense, I'd like to have someone explain it to me.

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Razz   Could be...but then, why is "pussy"-grabber acceptable?  I just think some words get a bad rep, and that's it.


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OK...I don't know you or why you were banned (or from where) I do know someone used to be named 'Monkeyboy' on forums and he didn't find it funny......obviously you find that name amusing, yet you find other names disgusting....not sure how that works tbh, an insult is an insult.

Surely if people feel they have the right to be outraged at certain insults they should be careful of the insults they themselves throw around.
I'm scrat, a pro hunting, anti EU lefty, perhaps Monkey boy is the very same Monkey boy in your tale of woe, I've already posted the Urban for Monkey boy and it describes Monkey boy to a tee.

As I reported earlier Monkey boy conducted a 10 year hate campaign against a particularly militant homosexual, they were posting each other's posts on various forums.

Could be karma, but I suspect it to be the reality of modern life kicking in!

If it's a person I'm thinking of, it's not relevant that he's gay. That person conducted a vendetta against several people, and still would be if he had anywhere to post.

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If it's a person I'm thinking of, it's not relevant that he's gay. That person conducted a vendetta against several people, and still would be if he had anywhere to post.

It wouldn't be relevant at all. but for the fact that Monkey boy encouraged and participated in homophobic abuse for 10years,,,,         Yes 10 years!!! Of course his homosexuality is relevant, what drugs are you on?

Which planet are you on? If you think that person is "innocent", you're deluding yourself.

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Which planet are you on? If you think that person is "innocent", you're deluding yourself.
"innocent" what's that got to do with anything, if you antagonise and constantly abuse an incredibly militant homosexual for 10 years for no reason other than the fact he's homosexual, it's hardly surprising this war would end in tears.

How you ever considered the actions of the person who brought this all about?

The "militant homosexual", as you call him, has abused several people who did not antagonise him in the first place. You should have done more research before you chose him as an example of a "victim".

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The "militant homosexual", as you call him, has abused several people who did not antagonise him in the first place. You should have done more research before you chose him as an example of a "victim".
Are you telling me in a roundabout way!,,,,that he deserved it because he was wearing a short skirt?

You don't heed to use sexual orientation to gain a smidgen of leverage in some petty squabble, it's poor form.

And illegal

I like the militant homosexual, he was only ever nasty to me once when we disagreed over the use of the term "gay", Monkey boy enjoyed posting the militant homosexuals posts above all else in this life, it was his purpose of being, and being spiteful he then tried pulling the knuckle draggers in to encourage and further the abuse!

No, I'm saying that abused people, so they responded. He sent Dean a lot of abuse, so Dean replied. If you have a problem with that - well it's your problem really.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:21 pm

There is no excuse for homophobia.

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Post by Raggamuffin on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:26 pm

Ziz wrote:There is no excuse for homophobia.

Responding to abuse from a person who is gay is not homophobic though.

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Ziz wrote:There is no excuse for homophobia.

Responding to abuse from a person who is gay is not homophobic though.

It is if homophobic terms are used.

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Responding to abuse from a person who is gay is not homophobic though.

It is if homophobic terms are used.

I'm not saying they were. I'm saying that Scrat chose an abusive person as an example of a "victim", and that person happened to be gay. Being gay doesn't mean he could abuse anyone he liked with impunity.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:33 pm

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Ziz wrote:There is no excuse for homophobia.


IMHO I say the word "gay" for homosexuals is wrong, it has been hijacked to try to give give a "a nice feel" to it.

You can still use the word gay in other contexts - it wasn't stolen.

Oooh, I do feel queer.

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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:34 pm

What term would you use then, Stormee? Bumbandit, pouffe, queer, turd burglar.?
If gays are ok wth gay, I am ok with that.

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It is if homophobic terms are used.

I'm not saying they were. I'm saying that Scrat chose an abusive person as an example of a "victim", and that person happened to be gay. Being gay doesn't mean he could abuse anyone he liked with impunity.

My concern is only regarding hate speech, not your or anyone else's opinion of the person in question - whoever he or she may be.

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IMHO I say the word "gay" for homosexuals is wrong, it has been hijacked to try to give give a "a nice feel" to it.

You can still use the word gay in other contexts - it wasn't  stolen.

Oooh, I do feel queer.
"Queer as folk"....brilliant TV prog from years ago, set in Manchester I think.

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IMHO I say the word "gay" for homosexuals is wrong, it has been hijacked to try to give give a "a nice feel" to it.
Its not wrong in the sense of its popularity of use, it's just sad that we need to use words to describe someone's sexual orientation as it's meaningless, also being "gay" is one of the most beautiful words in the English language, I just wish it could go back to its former use!

I use gay all the time, there's nothing stopping you using it.

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I'm not saying they were. I'm saying that Scrat chose an abusive person as an example of a "victim", and that person happened to be gay. Being gay doesn't mean he could abuse anyone he liked with impunity.

My concern is only regarding hate speech, not your or anyone else's opinion of the person in question - whoever he or she may be.

The point is that criticising a person who happens to be gay is not homophobic, but some people appear to think it is.

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Syl wrote:
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You can still use the word gay in other contexts - it wasn't  stolen.

Oooh, I do feel queer.
"Queer as folk"....brilliant TV prog from years ago, set in Manchester I think.

A perfect example of non-homophopic usage.

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My concern is only regarding hate speech, not your or anyone else's opinion of the person in question - whoever he or she may be.

The point is that criticising a person who happens to be gay is not homophobic, but some people appear to think it is.

You are right, people of all orientations can be criticized - but not for their orientation.

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The point is that criticising a person who happens to be gay is not homophobic, but some people appear to think it is.

You are right, people of all orientations can be criticized - but not for their orientation.

They can, however, be criticised for using their orientation to play the victim whilst all the time attacking others.

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Ziz wrote:
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"Queer as folk"....brilliant TV prog from years ago, set in Manchester I think.

A perfect example of non-homophopic usage.

But it was about homosexuals, so it had a double meaning.

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I use gay all the time, there's nothing stopping you using it.
I do, despite its connotations.

It has none except to those who deliberately wish to twist the non-homosexual context you use it in. You know, insecure primitive types who giggle at things like bum sex.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:44 pm

Syl wrote:
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A perfect example of non-homophopic usage.

But it was about homosexuals, so it had a double meaning.

Oh - lol - clever.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:45 pm

Raggamuffin wrote:
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You are right, people of all orientations can be criticized - but not for their orientation.

They can, however, be criticised for using their orientation to play the victim whilst all the time attacking others.

Of course, so long as homophobic terms or what might be construed as hate speech are not employed.

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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:50 pm

Significantly, the complaint is still only hypotheticall.
Made allegedly by a non NF member who posts on Flop about treatment he received on Flop.
The crux is, was the abuse made by Flop posters who post here as well.?
Only they will know,  but if found guilty after a hypothetical  investigation by Forumotion  litigation  team, they must expect  some punishment.

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 9:56 pm

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It has none except to those who deliberately wish to twist the non-homosexual context you use it in. You know, insecure primitive types who giggle at things like bum sex.
Feeling gay has nothing to do with being homosexual, and not all homosexuals are gay many are just as neurotic as the rest of us.

I'm not complaining about its usage, I just wish it could be returned to its former use.

It's no big deal!

If its former usage can still be used, which it can, then there's nothing to return.

It is entirely valid to say "I feel gay" as it is to say "I feel queer".

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Handy Andy wrote:Significantly, the complaint is still only hypotheticall.
Made allegedly by a non NF member who posts on Flop about treatment he received on Flop.
The crux is, was the abuse made by Flop posters who post here as well.?
Only they will know,  but if found guilty after a hypothetical  investigation by Forumotion  litigation  team, they must expect  some punishment.

Why is that relevant? If it's not relevant that someone who posts here might have reported Flap to Forumotion, it's also not relevant if a member of Flap who also posts here posted anything abusive.

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Post by Angry Andy on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:12 pm

Its very relevent if we a have a poster from both sites making posts on the other site that Forumotion regard as serious and abusive enough to merit a ban, which either Forumotion or Ben will have to enforce.
The fact the complainant may be unpleasant is irrelevant if he broke no rules, but the abusive posts he received did. Them forumotion and the site admins need to discipline the abusive posters.
Unless you condone the abusive , rule breaking posts and/ or they were made by a friend.

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Handy Andy wrote:Its very relevent if we a have a poster from both sites making posts on the other site that Forumotion regard as serious and abusive enough to merit a ban, which either Forumotion  or Ben will have to enforce.
The fact the complainant  may be unpleasant is irrelevant  if he broke no rules, but the abusive posts he received did. Them forumotion and the site admins need to discipline the abusive posters.
Unless you condone the abusive , rule breaking posts and/ or they were made by a friend.

If the poster is not making abusive posts on this site, how is that relevant to this site or to Ben?

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Post by Guest on Sun Oct 30, 2016 10:57 pm

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If its former usage can still be used, which it can, then there's nothing to return.

It is entirely valid  to say "I feel gay" as it is to say "I feel queer".
no not at all feeling gay only means "I fell queer" in modern parlance circa 1920's.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with its former use of being carefree, bright and happy!

It has to me, and I continue to use it in that context among others. Language belongs to us all to use as we wish, and twist if we wish.

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Post by eddie on Sun Oct 30, 2016 11:16 pm

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Ziz wrote:There is no excuse for homophobia.


IMHO I say the word "gay" for homosexuals is wrong, it has been hijacked to try to give give a "a nice feel" to it.

Imho I say you're an idiot for saying that.

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Laughing

CALLING Major/Stormee an idiot is being grossly unfair to genuine idiots...

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WhoseYourWolfie wrote: Laughing

CALLING Major/Stormee an idiot is being grossly unfair to genuine idiots...

Yes, you must be really offended. Razz


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Major wrote:
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Yes, you must be really offended.  Razz





lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol! lol!

What a good put down, I love it.

Dunno about greeniz and reddiz but whichever is best I give Syl a ZILLION.

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Post by Guest on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:34 pm

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It has to me, and I continue to use it in that context among others. Language belongs to us all to use as we wish, and twist if we wish.
We should be grateful that English is a living language, alive and well, evolving and developing, chopping and changing, moving and grooving with the ebb and flow of global communications.

The meaning of "gay" has changed, and whose to say its usage might one day (when we're not so fixated with sexual orientation) change back again to its beautiful and life affirming original use.

Only primitives remain fixated with sexually orientation - in time even they will move on.


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Post by Angry Andy on Mon Oct 31, 2016 6:35 pm

So Stormee, did your pathetic little whine to Ben yield a result?
Any posters unearthed as reporting your other site, hypothetically, to forumotion?
No?
Never mind.

Poor Stormee was quite pathetic
His report was only hypothetic.
Although he bleated and wailed
His complaint has already failed
And only his flop chums were sympathetic.

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